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BWillie 02-17-2025 07:09 PM

Sometimes we need to look in the mirror.

This line should have been good enough.

It is the highest paid line in football and said to be the best interior line in football. Taylor is a slightly above avg RT. Even if LT is the problem....it is on the staff to run a scheme and protections to minimize that deficiency.

Coochie liquor 02-17-2025 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17971840)
I assume that's what we'll do. Slightly overpay Bolton, let Reid walk, as well as try and fail to sign Smith. There really aren't any LT's in free agency and the one solid guy has missed time every year outside of this year. Throwing big Free agent LT money at him is probably not very likely.

Veach has done an excellent job with the draft and I assume he will this year as well. He needs to...

Has he? Currently the hit rate doesn’t look great past 22.

2023 : FAU, Rice, Wayna Morris, Chamarri Conner, BJ Thomas, Keondre Coburn, Nic Jones (who’s no longer on the team)

2024 : Xavier Worthy, Kingsley Suamataia, Jared Wiley, Jaden Hicks, Hunter Nourzad, Kamal Hadden, and C.J. Hanson

Idk. Those drafts don’t seem great to me, but maybe I’m expecting too much? And now Peach’s right hand man (Borgonzi) is gone. No telling how our scouting and drafting will be. 2022 draft seems like an anomaly now.

suzzer99 02-17-2025 09:28 PM

Keondre Coburn didn't even make it to out of training camp IIRC.

No one's heard a peep about BJ Thompson.

FAU might develop into a serviceable depth piece, but the odds of him being any more than that seem slim.

Maybe Wanya can make a good guard?

Chamarri is fine for where he was picked.

Hopefully Kingsley can at least be an above average guard.

Other than Worthy and Hicks the rest of '24 is incomplete.

staylor26 02-17-2025 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17972087)
Has he? Currently the hit rate doesn’t look great past 22.

2023 : FAU, Rice, Wayna Morris, Chamarri Conner, BJ Thomas, Keondre Coburn, Nic Jones (who’s no longer on the team)

2024 : Xavier Worthy, Kingsley Suamataia, Jared Wiley, Jaden Hicks, Hunter Nourzad, Kamal Hadden, and C.J. Hanson

Idk. Those drafts don’t seem great to me, but maybe I’m expecting too much? And now Peach’s right hand man (Borgonzi) is gone. No telling how our scouting and drafting will be. 2022 draft seems like an anomaly now.

2023 is pretty meh so far, but 2024 looks good.

Worthy was fantastic. Hicks is going to be a stud. Nourzad looked good in the week 18 game. I really think Kingsley is a solid starting G at worst, but he has to prove it. Also looked good week 18.

If all 2023 gives us is a stud top 10 WR in Rashee Rice, that's not too bad for Veach's "worst" draft the last few years.

You, and many others, definitely babe unrealistic expectations when it comes to the draft, especially when you're picking at the end of every single ****ing round.

FloridaMan88 02-17-2025 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17972026)
Taylor is a slightly above avg RT.

Wrong.

RunKC 02-17-2025 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17971973)
Honestly, the “that’s kicking the can down the road” narrative is getting really tired. This isn’t the same as putting the groceries on your credit card. The cap is going up exponentially. The Eagles just dominated us in the SB after leveraging these tactics. Capitalize now, I don’t care what happens after Mahomes!

The Carson Wentz resulted in them getting Devonta Smith, AJ Brown, Jalen Carter and Cooper DeJean. That’s what built this team.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs backup QB Carson Wentz has an indirect role in helping to assemble the roster that will try to prevent Kansas City from three repeating today. The Eagles traded Wentz to the Colts for a 2021 3rd-round pick and conditional 2022 1st-round pick.<br> <br>The Eagles then used that… <a href="https://t.co/P1zGYJOND4">pic.twitter.com/P1zGYJOND4</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1888653305284337809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kccrow 02-17-2025 11:10 PM

You're playing with house money any time you get anything beyond a special teamer beyond the 4th round. The meat and potatoes come from 1-4. You better be hitting on those more often than not and 1st and 2nd round picks need to be starters in year two. If they aren't, you better have hit on one of those filler picks to make up for it.

Now I'm looking at the taters...
2023 :
Felix Anudike-Uzomah - Certainly hasn't shown to be worth a 1st and is marginal depth at best. Not a good look for a first-rounder and no hidden gem late will supplement this pick.
Rashee Rice - Looks like a stud but the character/off-field stuff is concerning. I'm holding out hope that this past offseason puts his life in perspective for him and he straightens up and becomes what he's capable of.
Wayna Morris - Has been a solid rotational OT that we've gotten starter to play out of but was pretty banged up this year. He looks better at RT than LT. He'll start somewhere on this line soon.
Chamarri Conner - He's been serviceable but definitely lacking as a nickel. I think he's better as a free safety but Cook is far better. I never liked this particular pick but I can't bitch too much about a 4th rounder getting a lot of meaningful snaps for a team that went to the SB.

2024:
Xavier Worthy - Definitely looks like a homerun pick at this point.
Kingsley Suamataia - Was raw and it's just too early to know. I think he's going to find a home somewhere on the line and become a starter, he's flashed some real good along with the real bad.
Jared Wiley - The injury really sucked for him. The lack of reps in the offense though was more concerning pre-injury. He has an athletic profile and was productive in college. I think we have to withhold judgment. If you get a contributor out of him next season at some point, you're going somewhere.
Jaden Hicks - Looks like a really good one in the making. He had higher grades from pundits than where he was drafted. If you were to swap him and Kingsley's draft position, no one would probably bat an eye. He'll start in 2025.
For note, I do think Nourzad is going to be a quality depth piece. He played solidly in Week 18.

Rausch 02-18-2025 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17972087)
Has he? Currently the hit rate doesn’t look great past 22.

2023 : FAU, Rice, Wayna Morris, Chamarri Conner, BJ Thomas, Keondre Coburn, Nic Jones (who’s no longer on the team)

2024 : Xavier Worthy, Kingsley Suamataia, Jared Wiley, Jaden Hicks, Hunter Nourzad, Kamal Hadden, and C.J. Hanson

Idk. Those drafts don’t seem great to me, but maybe I’m expecting too much?

I think you are. Compare him to other GM's. When you compare how many of his draft picks and UDFA's contribute to this team he's highly successful.

He took a hard stance but did the right thing and paid Jones what he was worth. He's been active adding depth to this team as the year goes on. He doesn't just sit on his hands after the draft either.

SHOWTIME 02-18-2025 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17972109)
The Carson Wentz resulted in them getting Devonta Smith, AJ Brown, Jalen Carter and Cooper DeJean. That’s what built this team.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs backup QB Carson Wentz has an indirect role in helping to assemble the roster that will try to prevent Kansas City from three repeating today. The Eagles traded Wentz to the Colts for a 2021 3rd-round pick and conditional 2022 1st-round pick.<br> <br>The Eagles then used that… <a href="https://t.co/P1zGYJOND4">pic.twitter.com/P1zGYJOND4</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1888653305284337809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 9, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Howie Roseman is a wheeler and dealer. He drafts well and makes great trades. This Eagles team, unlike the 2017 team that won the SB, is built for the long haul.

Coogs 02-18-2025 08:05 AM

The Jags signed Walker Little to a reasonable contract in early December. One they could trade him if the new coach and GM want to go a different direction at the position. Picking 5th in the draft, they could have their choice of the tackles if they wanted.

So question. Would Walker Little be worth the phone call to the Jags to see where they stand?

Walker Littles contract:

https://overthecap.com/player/walker-little/9509

Click the trade pre June 1st option.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-18-2025 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 17972200)
The Jags signed Walker Little to a reasonable contract in early December. One they could trade him if the new coach and GM want to go a different direction at the position. Picking 5th in the draft, they could have their choice of the tackles if they wanted.

So question. Would Walker Little be worth the phone call to the Jags to see where they stand?

Walker Littles contract:

https://overthecap.com/player/walker-little/9509

Click the trade pre June 1st option.

That’s a good find. Not sure they’d explore it though unless the took LT first in the draft because it was a can’t pass proposition, which feels unlikely for a roster that needs plenty of help otherwise.

Coogs 02-18-2025 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17972215)
That’s a good find. Not sure they’d explore it though unless the took LT first in the draft because it was a can’t pass proposition, which feels unlikely for a roster that needs plenty of help otherwise.

That absolutely would have to be the scenario. They are probably set at QB. And hit a home run at WR last year. What would their feeling be on Walker Little? The contract is reasonable. Both to keep and to trade. They would likely have their choice of the LT's in the draft though.

Coogs 02-18-2025 10:06 AM

Here are some plays vs the Texans. Looks pretty good. :shrug:

<iframe width="853" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ft89PCZ-3xc" title="Houston Texans vs. Jacksonville Jaguars | 2024 Week 13 Game Highlights" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RunKC 02-18-2025 12:11 PM

Simmons at 23? Yeah I’m trading the **** up for that guy.

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...mock-draft-2-0

Mecca 02-18-2025 12:15 PM

I don't buy that the Jags are going to trade Walker Little, they are far more likely to just take whoever the BPA is.


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