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tredadda 01-06-2025 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17894655)
Embarrassing franchise, fanbase, city… LMAO

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I get their frustrations, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point. I don’t recall any fanbase being this entitled with so little to actually show for it.

2022: They lose to KC in the AFCCG and they scream “scripted”! As if the only way KC could beat them is with ref help and a “scripted”.

2024: They lose to KC on a blatant DPI and once again it’s the “script”.

2024: KC rests their starters in a meaningless game as they already locked up the 1 seed and don’t want to lose players or put anything on film. Then a change.org petition is made (believe that it might be trolling) because KC didn’t make enough of an attempt to beat Denver and allow the 9-8 Bengals to make the playoffs. This is only because KC apparently is “scared” of Cincy.

Bwana 01-06-2025 10:05 AM

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Hog Rider 01-06-2025 10:07 AM

The way is shut. It was made by those who are Chiefs, and the Chiefs keep it, until the time comes. The way is shut."

tredadda 01-06-2025 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17895123)
They had to fire him. The defense was that bad. Too bad for them he wasn't the real reason they were bad. That all starts at the top and the one thing they can't change is ownership.

True. Outside of Trey they don’t really have a ton of talent on defense. They let a bunch of players walk, especially Reader and Bates.

tredadda 01-06-2025 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Hog Rider (Post 17895314)
The way is shut. It was made by those who are Chiefs, and the Chiefs keep it, until the time comes. The way is shut."

Where is that from? It sounds familiar, but I can’t place the movie.

duncan_idaho 01-06-2025 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17895321)
True. Outside of Trey they don’t really have a ton of talent on defense. They let a bunch of players walk, especially Reader and Bates.

And the young guys they drafted to replace the players they let go have not been good.

Dax Hill is not a difference maker in the secondary. The DL they've drafted have been noncontributors.

I think Lou is really good, if he has the guys he needs and the system can function. Kind of like Spags. But if he doesn't have the guys he needs, it falls apart.

Hog Rider 01-06-2025 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17895332)
Where is that from? It sounds familiar, but I can’t place the movie.

Lord of the Rings

Hammock Parties 01-06-2025 10:40 AM

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Frazod 01-06-2025 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17895286)
I get their frustrations, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point. I don’t recall any fanbase being this entitled with so little to actually show for it.

2022: They lose to KC in the AFCCG and they scream “scripted”! As if the only way KC could beat them is with ref help and a “scripted”.

2024: They lose to KC on a blatant DPI and once again it’s the “script”.

2024: KC rests their starters in a meaningless game as they already locked up the 1 seed and don’t want to lose players or put anything on film. Then a change.org petition is made (believe that it might be trolling) because KC didn’t make enough of an attempt to beat Denver and allow the 9-8 Bengals to make the playoffs. This is only because KC apparently is “scared” of Cincy.

Silly Bungle fans. They should know by now that shit like this only works for the Bills.

Nightfyre 01-06-2025 11:32 AM

I'll just post the best post I saw on reddit regarding this topic:

The Bengals should have done more with their last place schedule.

ReynardMuldrake 01-06-2025 11:34 AM

Personally, I haven't slept in three days because I'm so scared of the Bengals. I'm haunted by a vision of Joe Burrow standing in my closet, staring at me. He looks like Freddy Krueger with a shitty haircut.

TEX 01-06-2025 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake (Post 17895536)
Personally, I haven't slept in three days because I'm so scared of the Bengals. I'm haunted by a vision of Joe Burrow standing in my closet, staring at me. He looks like Freddy Krueger with a shitty haircut.

The frmale version.

DJ's left nut 01-06-2025 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17895221)
Yes. I saw someone say yesterday that they should trade Higgins and Chase and build through the draft...

The problem is... their draft picks have not been impactful unless they're picking in the top 5.

You don't have any end of the 1st or middle of the 1st hits like McDuffie or Karlaftis or Worthy. You don't have enough 2nd or 3rd rounders who have been better than expected like Bolton, Humphrey, Rice (they have Logan Wilson but that's really it). The team depth just isn't good enough, as a result.

Well the good news for them is that they should be picking in the top 10 again here in the next couple of seasons...

duncan_idaho 01-06-2025 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17895547)
Well the good news for them is that they should be picking in the top 10 again here in the next couple of seasons...

I laughed.

It will be interesting to see what the Bengals do in this offseason. It's really a transitional one for them. Higgins and Chase need the huge new deals. Hendrickson is going to want a big payday. That's an awful lot of signing bonus cash all due at the same time for a team that hasn't had a lot of flexibility with that in the past.

St. Patty's Fire 01-06-2025 11:58 AM

i think firing lou is idiotic. they basically let all their defensive talent walk because the owner is cheap and havent replaced them at all. what exactly were they expecting?

DJ's left nut 01-06-2025 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17895595)
i think firing lou is idiotic. they basically let all their defensive talent walk because the owner is cheap and havent replaced them at all. what exactly were they expecting?

It's a little funny, though -- I mean aren't the Bengals the AFC version of the Lions?

The Bengals have Hendrickson, the Lions have Hutchinson and the rest of the parts are pretty comparable around their big guns. ESPECIALLY this version of the Lions where most of their key defensive players are hurt.

The offensive weapons are comparable -- the Lions have Gibbs/LaPorta and the Bengals don't, but St. Brown/Williams aren't at the same level as Chase/Higgins either.

And the Lions just keep winning games. Big games against quality opponents. Meanwhile the Bengals keep looking for justifications as to why they lose them.

It's not just talent - the Bengals organizational mindset is just balls.

Zac Taylor's complete refusal to have these guys ready to play when the season starts is one of the strangest damn things I've ever seen. Taylor is 8-15-1 in September since he's been the HC. He's started 0-2 in 5 of his 6 seasons.

It still seems to me like Taylor's an OC masquerading as a HC.

htismaqe 01-06-2025 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17895587)
I laughed.

It will be interesting to see what the Bengals do in this offseason. It's really a transitional one for them. Higgins and Chase need the huge new deals. Hendrickson is going to want a big payday. That's an awful lot of signing bonus cash all due at the same time for a team that hasn't had a lot of flexibility with that in the past.

They won't keep everybody. It would be really tough even if ownership wanted it but you can pretty much guarantee the Browns aren't paying out $150M or more in guaranteed money in one off-season, especially after what they gave Burrow.

mr. tegu 01-06-2025 01:18 PM

Another season with Burrow still having zero playoff fourth quarter TDs.

FlaChief58 01-06-2025 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17895801)
Another season with Burrow still having zero playoff fourth quarter TDs.

Don't have to worry about 4th quarter td's if you never make the playoffs

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Mr_Tomahawk 01-06-2025 01:21 PM

Are we still scared of the Bengals?

htismaqe 01-06-2025 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17895804)
Are we still scared of the Bengals?

Yes, I'm scared for them.

The crisis hotline has been notified.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-06-2025 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17895812)
Yes, I'm scared for them.

The crisis hotline has been notified.

Good.

The refs have been notified.

Mecca 01-06-2025 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17895798)
They won't keep everybody. It would be really tough even if ownership wanted it but you can pretty much guarantee the Browns aren't paying out $150M or more in guaranteed money in one off-season, especially after what they gave Burrow.

Burrow is basically going completely bonkers that they have to keep Higgins and Chase, they gonna have the all UDFA defense?

Mecca 01-06-2025 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17895341)
And the young guys they drafted to replace the players they let go have not been good.

Dax Hill is not a difference maker in the secondary. The DL they've drafted have been noncontributors.

I think Lou is really good, if he has the guys he needs and the system can function. Kind of like Spags. But if he doesn't have the guys he needs, it falls apart.

I really liked Dax Hill as a prospect but they killed it, he was a rangy centerfield type safety that made plays on the ball...they decided he should be a corner.

Hammock Parties 01-06-2025 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17895836)
Burrow is basically going completely bonkers that they have to keep Higgins and Chase, they gonna have the all UDFA defense?

They won't be able to keep OL talent either.

Burrow's gonna get himself killed.

htismaqe 01-06-2025 01:56 PM

The Chiefs traded away Hill and we all saw what happened. The Bills are trying that same approach right now and look like a freight train going into the playoffs.

The Bengals are not only going to retain one WR1, they're going to try and sign TWO.

That should tell fans everything they need to know about Super Bowl "windows".

DRM08 01-06-2025 01:57 PM

Time for a tropical vacation. Who wants to spend the winter in Cincinnati?


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MahomesMagic 01-06-2025 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17895196)
reeruns LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bengals fired defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo, per source. <a href="https://t.co/2GnXHTgOZs">pic.twitter.com/2GnXHTgOZs</a></p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1876277102145949913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I like this idea.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs should bring in Lou Anarumo to consult for the playoffs. He could assist Spags in designing quarterback torture racks. Those two minds together building bespoke game plans would be insane. Would also be a beautiful F U to the Bengals.</p>&mdash; Adam Best (@Arrowhead_Adam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arrowhead_Adam/status/1876300340800455131?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17895005)
The fans want Lou fired. Guess he’s the one who let their best defensive players leave, and drafted poorly replacing them?

Lou had his moments but other than one year (PF only) he never had the D playing better than a 16th rated unit. Most years he was in the 20s and some in the 30s.

It was time for a change. The biggest issue is going to be, are the Bengals willing to open their tight fists and spend some badly needed money.

Most probably aren't aware of this but when Zac was hired, no one wanted this DC job with this franchise where they were at. Lou was, at least, Zac's 5th choice.

This time around, there will be a line forming at the Bengals door, because it gives that guy a good stepping stone to becoming a HC somewhere.

Hammock Parties 01-06-2025 02:17 PM

You used to suck him off for being Mahomes kryptonite LMAO

FloridaMan88 01-06-2025 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895870)
Lou had his moments but other than one year (PF only)

Describes Burrow’s overrated career as well.

Burrow has missed the playoffs more than Mahomes has missed the Super Bowl.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17895044)
Even when they open their pocket book... Chase turned down $35m/year. With inflation and in winning the triple crown he will ask for closer to $40m. Tee on the open market is probably worth $25m. They could pay well over $40m just to keep the team the same. That's not even factoring in all the guys they'll lose on defense and the OL who will probably be replaced.

Cap space is also relative. Lots and lots of real good teams with way more cap space. We will see tons of inflation in the upcoming offseason. Youd think $60m is a lot but it's actually middle of the pack. Teams like New England, chargers, pats, raiders are gonna spend obscene amounts of money.

60 isn't middle of the pack. When you add cuts and rollover it goes up to about 96M.

Also, they only have about 300k dead cap. Every other team in the top 15 has mutimillions in dead cap and only 6 other teams have less than 1M, including the Chiefs.

The ability is there but it's going to take a philisophical change from the front office for any of it to matter.

The ragging on this guy or that guy or front office or coach is what keeps this fun but the truth of the matter is, with an average defense and an average oline, this is a SB contending team.

Mr_Tomahawk 01-06-2025 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17895877)
Describes Burrow’s overrated career as well.

Burrow has missed the playoffs more than Mahomes has missed the Super Bowl.

Yeah, but....


....Burrow is really really good at football.

carcosa 01-06-2025 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17895863)
I like this idea.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs should bring in Lou Anarumo to consult for the playoffs. He could assist Spags in designing quarterback torture racks. Those two minds together building bespoke game plans would be insane. Would also be a beautiful F U to the Bengals.</p>&mdash; Adam Best (@Arrowhead_Adam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arrowhead_Adam/status/1876300340800455131?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I like it too. Very Hannibal Lechter coded

ptlyon 01-06-2025 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17895881)
Yeah, but....


....Burrow is really really good at football.

Burrow is really, really good at dressing like a pole smoker. This football thing, I'm not so sure on.

St. Patty's Fire 01-06-2025 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17895742)
It's a little funny, though -- I mean aren't the Bengals the AFC version of the Lions?

The Bengals have Hendrickson, the Lions have Hutchinson and the rest of the parts are pretty comparable around their big guns. ESPECIALLY this version of the Lions where most of their key defensive players are hurt.

The offensive weapons are comparable -- the Lions have Gibbs/LaPorta and the Bengals don't, but St. Brown/Williams aren't at the same level as Chase/Higgins either.

And the Lions just keep winning games. Big games against quality opponents. Meanwhile the Bengals keep looking for justifications as to why they lose them.

It's not just talent - the Bengals organizational mindset is just balls.

Zac Taylor's complete refusal to have these guys ready to play when the season starts is one of the strangest damn things I've ever seen. Taylor is 8-15-1 in September since he's been the HC. He's started 0-2 in 5 of his 6 seasons.

It still seems to me like Taylor's an OC masquerading as a HC.

yea I 100% would’ve fired Taylor. He sucks. His management of the Broncos game was utterly perplexing

St. Patty's Fire 01-06-2025 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17895854)
The Chiefs traded away Hill and we all saw what happened. The Bills are trying that same approach right now and look like a freight train going into the playoffs.

The Bengals are not only going to retain one WR1, they're going to try and sign TWO.

That should tell fans everything they need to know about Super Bowl "windows".

they’re basically the 2000s bengals with Palmer, Ocho and Houshmanzadah

farmerchief 01-06-2025 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895880)
60 isn't middle of the pack. When you add cuts and rollover it goes up to about 96M.

Also, they only have about 300k dead cap. Every other team in the top 15 has mutimillions in dead cap and only 6 other teams have less than 1M, including the Chiefs.

The ability is there but it's going to take a philisophical change from the front office for any of it to matter.

The ragging on this guy or that guy or front office or coach is what keeps this fun but the truth of the matter is, with an average defense and an average oline, this is a SB contending team.

Yep, I agree, Oline and D was a downfall this year. I had a special interest in Burrow this year(I had him on my fantasy football team), he was very accurate with his passes all year. If we didnt have Mahomes, Id be more than happy with Burrow. But that front office and/or management really needs to dig their heads out of their ass.

FloridaMan88 01-06-2025 02:31 PM

Good article and what should be a concerning similarity for Bungholes fans.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Joe Burrow on the Carson Palmer frustration train, or is this a temporary setback? <a href="https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ">https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ</a></p>&mdash; The Athletic Cincinnati (@TheAthleticCIN) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCIN/status/1876256416392233304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Mr_Tomahawk 01-06-2025 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17895899)
Good article and what should be a concerning similarity for Bungholes fans.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Joe Burrow on the Carson Palmer frustration train, or is this a temporary setback? <a href="https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ">https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ</a></p>&mdash; The Athletic Cincinnati (@TheAthleticCIN) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCIN/status/1876256416392233304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kewl. What's yer username and password brah?

RaidersOftheCellar 01-06-2025 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17895801)
Another season with Burrow still having zero playoff fourth quarter TDs.

Seriously?

He's the anti-Mahomes.

New World Order 01-06-2025 02:34 PM

That 06 Bengals team should have done some serious damage.

Instead they went 8-8. Very similar to this year.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmerchief (Post 17895895)
Yep, I agree, Oline and D was a downfall this year. I had a special interest in Burrow this year(I had him on my fantasy football team), he was very accurate with his passes all year. If we didnt have Mahomes, Id be more than happy with Burrow. But that front office and/or management really needs to dig their heads out of their ass.

I don't know if that's even possible. I will say, the quick firings was a bit surprising. These assholes like to do/change just enough to keep your interest piqued, but it's going to take way more than that to get this team back to the playoffs.

Penny pinching
Slow starts
Patchwork Oline
Small scouting dept

There needs to be a lot of big changes, some maybe not even realistic, for this team to mean anything.

Catching lightning in a bottle every 30 years isn't a plan for success. Coaches/players from within to replace good people that leave, isn't a plan for success. Trying to re-invent the wheel, isn't a plan for success.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17895899)
Good article and what should be a concerning similarity for Bungholes fans.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Joe Burrow on the Carson Palmer frustration train, or is this a temporary setback? <a href="https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ">https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ</a></p>&mdash; The Athletic Cincinnati (@TheAthleticCIN) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCIN/status/1876256416392233304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If Mike Brown allows history to repeat, it wouldn't be surprising.

Bengals fans can point to philisophical changes over the last 5 years, but those are mostly off-field things and things other teams started doing 10 to 20, if not more, years before the Bengals.

I've always said, this FO is always about a decade behind the rest of the NFL when it comes to changing and adapting.

RollChiefsRoll 01-06-2025 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895912)
There needs to be a lot of big changes, some maybe not even realistic, for this team to mean anything.

Yeah, I’m thinking they should shut down the franchise and set fire to Paycor Stadium.

pugsnotdrugs19 01-06-2025 02:41 PM

If I’m Joe and I want to win rings, **** yes I’m starting to plot my way out.

Get to the NFC. Your odds of reaching the SB increase x10.

DRM08 01-06-2025 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17895863)
I like this idea.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs should bring in Lou Anarumo to consult for the playoffs. He could assist Spags in designing quarterback torture racks. Those two minds together building bespoke game plans would be insane. Would also be a beautiful F U to the Bengals.</p>&mdash; Adam Best (@Arrowhead_Adam) <a href="https://twitter.com/Arrowhead_Adam/status/1876300340800455131?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lou managed to slow down Buffalo in their two recent games. Just 10 points and 18 points for the Bills in those games.

tredadda 01-06-2025 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895912)
I don't know if that's even possible. I will say, the quick firings was a bit surprising. These assholes like to do/change just enough to keep your interest piqued, but it's going to take way more than that to get this team back to the playoffs.

Penny pinching
Slow starts
Patchwork Oline
Small scouting dept

There needs to be a lot of big changes, some maybe not even realistic, for this team to mean anything.

Catching lightning in a bottle every 30 years isn't a plan for success. Coaches/players from within to replace good people that leave, isn't a plan for success. Trying to re-invent the wheel, isn't a plan for success.

You think change will happen when Mike Brown finally kicks the bucket?

smithandrew051 01-06-2025 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17895922)
If I’m Joe and I want to win rings, **** yes I’m starting to plot my way out.

Get to the NFC. Your odds of reaching the SB increase x10.

Burrow on the 49ers or Vikings would be something.

Hammock Parties 01-06-2025 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895918)
If Mike Brown allows history to repeat, it wouldn't be surprising.

Bengals fans can point to philisophical changes over the last 5 years, but those are mostly off-field things and things other teams started doing 10 to 20, if not more, years before the Bengals.

I've always said, this FO is always about a decade behind the rest of the NFL when it comes to changing and adapting.

Ken Anderson
Boomer Esiason
Carson Palmer
Joe Burrow

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Mr_Tomahawk 01-06-2025 02:47 PM

RED ROCKET!

htismaqe 01-06-2025 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895880)
60 isn't middle of the pack. When you add cuts and rollover it goes up to about 96M.

Also, they only have about 300k dead cap. Every other team in the top 15 has mutimillions in dead cap and only 6 other teams have less than 1M, including the Chiefs.

The ability is there but it's going to take a philisophical change from the front office for any of it to matter.

The ragging on this guy or that guy or front office or coach is what keeps this fun but the truth of the matter is, with an average defense and an average oline, this is a SB contending team.

The ability is there with regards to the cap but is it there cash-wise? And even if the Browns (one of the NFLs poorest ownership groups, btw) CAN shell out that much cash, will they?

Assuming they will, you still have to make good use of resources. You're going to have a hard time convincing Bills or Chiefs fans that Joe not only NEEDS Chase but needs Higgins, too. They're built almost the opposite of the AFCs other good teams and will continue to be if they aren't selective.

Snerd 01-06-2025 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17895930)
Burrow on the 49ers or Vikings would be something.

Plus they'd really dig Jo's outfits out in SF. So there's that.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17895928)
You think change will happen when Mike Brown finally kicks the bucket?

As crotchety and unchanging as he's been, his granddaughters are actually the ones that have changed his mind on some things recently, that have made them actually look like an NFL franchise. Those were all off-field things but at least it brought them into the 21 century.

On field, things are moving slower but the FA class of '21 was a major change.

I don't know if his death will bring much more movement because his daughter is the one that has run the team as much as anyone and along with her husband, treated Andrew Whitworth like shit at the end of his Bengals career.

I think there's a chance...a chance...that things start to change when he's completely out of the picture but more than anything, and this is kind of silly, the immense black cloud that seems to hang over this team will finally be gone.

Molitoth 01-06-2025 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17895286)
I get their frustrations, but this is beyond ridiculous at this point. I don’t recall any fanbase being this entitled with so little to actually show for it.

2022: They lose to KC in the AFCCG and they scream “scripted”! As if the only way KC could beat them is with ref help and a “scripted”.

2024: They lose to KC on a blatant DPI and once again it’s the “script”.

2024: KC rests their starters in a meaningless game as they already locked up the 1 seed and don’t want to lose players or put anything on film. Then a change.org petition is made (believe that it might be trolling) because KC didn’t make enough of an attempt to beat Denver and allow the 9-8 Bengals to make the playoffs. This is only because KC apparently is “scared” of Cincy.

The only thing that has ever looked "Scripted" was the AFCC against the bengals where Mahomes had maybe one of his best Halves in football, followed by the biggest epic meltdown.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17895940)
Ken Anderson
Boomer Esiason
Carson Palmer
Joe Burrow

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One common denominator.

Mike Brown.

Pepe Silvia 01-06-2025 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895957)
One common denominator.

Mike Brown.

Do you remember Shula over Cowher?

FloridaMan88 01-06-2025 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk (Post 17895901)
Kewl. What's yer username and password brah?

Here you go…

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The Bengals missed the playoffs with superstars Joe Burrow, Ja’Marr Chase and Trey Hendrickson enjoying elite individual seasons. Was it only a temporary setback or is Burrow on the Carson Palmer frustration train?

Finishing 9-8 and out of the playoffs with Burrow tossing 43 touchdown passes, Chase topping 1,700 yards and Hendrickson collecting 17.5 sacks once would have seemed impossible. It happened.

The Bengals spent Sunday hoping Kansas City and Miami would win so they could reach the playoffs. It had to be a powerless feeling as the Chiefs rested starters and lost big, ending Cincinnati’s season.

Burrow might feel similarly powerless entering an offseason that could be pivotal for the Bengals. He’s lobbying for the team to keep receiver Tee Higgins in particular.

“You don’t want to make a living out of letting great players walk away,” Burrow said Tuesday. “That’s why you try to get those deals done early.”

The Bengals are not known for getting deals done early. Burrow knows this. He wants to change this.

Burrow doubled down Saturday after keeping alive the Bengals’ playoff hopes, if only temporarily, with a victory over the Steelers.

What happens if Higgins leaves and the Bengals regress on offense? What happens if their defense, which has fallen off after safety Jessie Bates, tackle D.J. Reader and others departed, continues to slide? It ranked 29th in EPA per play this season despite a late rally against poor offenses. (Update: Defensive coordinator Lou Anarumo was fired Monday, sources told The Athletic.)

Palmer made 99 regular-season and postseason starts with the Bengals before growing so frustrated with the organization that he held out and forced a trade. Burrow is 76 starts into his career and hinting at some frustration over the team letting Higgins reach the brink of free agency, with Chase due for a market-setting extension.

Palmer generally enjoyed strong weaponry until No. 2 receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh departed as a free agent in 2009, a year after top wideout Chad Ochocinco tried to force the team into trading him. The current situation is not the same, but what happens with Chase and Higgins surely will affect Burrow’s outlook on the future.

htismaqe 01-06-2025 02:57 PM

To my previous post, it's one thing to tie up cap. If they were to sign Chase and Higgins to somewhat standard deals, they're looking at $20-25M, if that, for a cap hit in 2025. They will have plenty of cap space.

The problem for the Bengals ownership is that standard, back loaded deals almost always come with a bunch of up-front guarantees. They're looking at having to pay them way north of $100M just to sign. Do they have $250M in cash to actually do it? And if they do, will they want to spend that much in one off-season?

I'd be hard pressed to be a Bengals fan right now. Burrow is obviously one of the very best QBs in the game. His offense is loaded and it's exciting. The organizational dysfunction though is just astounding at times. They don't seem to be blazing the same trail that the guys on the field are. They don't seem to be making some of the bold moves that might be necessary. I mean let's face it, they have Burrow and Chase because they sucked bad enough to get those picks? What else have they really done?

I guess I just don't see much urgency from the Brown family.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17895945)
The ability is there with regards to the cap but is it there cash-wise? And even if the Browns (one of the NFLs poorest ownership groups, btw) CAN shell out that much cash, will they?

Assuming they will, you still have to make good use of resources. You're going to have a hard time convincing Bills or Chiefs fans that Joe not only NEEDS Chase but needs Higgins, too. They're built almost the opposite of the AFCs other good teams and will continue to be if they aren't selective.

Yes, they have the cash but as you said, will they? That's the major philisophical change that needs to happen.

Yes to your second point and it's why i keep saying they're trying to re-invent the wheel. It's almost a foregone conclusion that Tee will be re-signed. In a wierd, ironic twist of events, it's their penny-pinching that would allow them to sign both WRs and still put a team on the field to compete. Like i said before, they just need an average Oline and defense and they're competitive, but do they have the brains to find those players. the magic 8 ball isn't so sure right now.

I'd love for them to do things that have traditionally been sucessful for other NFL franchises, but they won't let me in the building to twist all of their stupid arms off.

htismaqe 01-06-2025 03:01 PM

Also, Joe Burrow is gonna have to suck it up some. He's got Chase. Allen watched his team trade away Diggs. Mahomes watched Tyreek Hill go to Miami.

Of course, if you can keep the guy and make it make sense financially, you want to do it. At the same time, how bad does Burrow want to win more than just Pro Bowl appearances?

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17895960)
Do you remember Shula over Cowher?

I've been here since 1978. I can tell you exactly where i was when that announcement came over the radio.

More importantly, do you remember Gary Reasons patting Shula on the head while Shula was trying to yell at him during a game against the Steelers on MNF?

suzzer99 01-06-2025 03:05 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Update: The Bengals have had Orlando Brown Jr. for the last two seasons and the Bengals have missed the playoffs both of those seasons. <a href="https://t.co/tzXjNtarU0">https://t.co/tzXjNtarU0</a></p>&mdash; Farzin Vousoughian (@Farzin21) <a href="https://twitter.com/Farzin21/status/1876315637078966740?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That is some receipt-keeping.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17895968)
To my previous post, it's one thing to tie up cap. If they were to sign Chase and Higgins to somewhat standard deals, they're looking at $20-25M, if that, for a cap hit in 2025. They will have plenty of cap space.

The problem for the Bengals ownership is that standard, back loaded deals almost always come with a bunch of up-front guarantees. They're looking at having to pay them way north of $100M just to sign. Do they have $250M in cash to actually do it? And if they do, will they want to spend that much in one off-season?

I'd be hard pressed to be a Bengals fan right now. Burrow is obviously one of the very best QBs in the game. His offense is loaded and it's exciting. The organizational dysfunction though is just astounding at times. They don't seem to be blazing the same trail that the guys on the field are. They don't seem to be making some of the bold moves that might be necessary. I mean let's face it, they have Burrow and Chase because they sucked bad enough to get those picks? What else have they really done?

I guess I just don't see much urgency from the Brown family.

Hey, don't pity me. I choose to support this team. :banghead:

All kidding aside, Mike Brown is only urgent about putting more nickels in the piggy bank.

FloridaMan88 01-06-2025 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17895976)
Also, Joe Burrow is gonna have to suck it up some. He's got Chase. Allen watched his team trade away Diggs. Mahomes watched Tyreek Hill go to Miami.

Of course, if you can keep the guy and make it make sense financially, you want to do it. At the same time, how bad does Burrow want to win more than just Pro Bowl appearances?

Burrow has missed the playoffs three of his five NFL seasons… he’s done less with more.

An underachiever.

Pepe Silvia 01-06-2025 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895977)
I've been here since 1978. I can tell you exactly where i was when that announcement came over the radio.

More importantly, do you remember Gary Reasons patting Shula on the head while Shula was trying to yell at him during a game against the Steelers on MNF?

I don't remember that. When I was a kid I always thought of the Bengals as the bad team who's helmets I liked. lol I do remember Kijana Carter getting injured though.

I also remember wanting to beat Randy Cross with a baseball bat during the 2003 loss when Ochocinco predicted the win.

htismaqe 01-06-2025 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895992)
Hey, don't pity me. I choose to support this team. :banghead:

All kidding aside, Mike Brown is only urgent about putting more nickels in the piggy bank.

Hey man, I get it. I almost stopped being a fan of the Chiefs during the season, 5 months before they drafted Mahomes.

After Carl Peterson and Scott Pioli, I honestly thought I was going to die never seeing them raise a Lamar Hunt trophy (**** I wasn't even wishing for a Super Bowl win).

You're truly a gem. I know I bust your balls a lot but to be fair to you, it's because your fellow Bengals fans are some of the dumbest, most obnoxious fans on social media. I mean, they rival Raider fans in their delusional stupidity.

DRM08 01-06-2025 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17895969)
Yes, they have the cash but as you said, will they? That's the major philisophical change that needs to happen.

Yes to your second point and it's why i keep saying they're trying to re-invent the wheel. It's almost a foregone conclusion that Tee will be re-signed. In a wierd, ironic twist of events, it's their penny-pinching that would allow them to sign both WRs and still put a team on the field to compete. Like i said before, they just need an average Oline and defense and they're competitive, but do they have the brains to find those players. the magic 8 ball isn't so sure right now.

I'd love for them to do things that have traditionally been sucessful for other NFL franchises, but they won't let me in the building to twist all of their stupid arms off.

So they might just go all in on the 2018 Chiefs approach. All offense, no defense. Hope it's enough to win shootouts and see how far you can go. At least you have a fighting chance in every game with a strong offense.

St. Patty's Fire 01-06-2025 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17895899)
Good article and what should be a concerning similarity for Bungholes fans.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Joe Burrow on the Carson Palmer frustration train, or is this a temporary setback? <a href="https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ">https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ</a></p>&mdash; The Athletic Cincinnati (@TheAthleticCIN) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCIN/status/1876256416392233304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

they stole my analogy smh my head

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17896008)
I don't remember that. When I was a kid I always thought of the Bengals as the bad team who's helmets I liked. lol I do remember Kijana Carter getting injured though.

I also remember wanting to beat Randy Cross with a baseball bat during the 2003 loss when Ochocinco predicted the win.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Who remembers this disprespect of Dave Shula? <br><br>Gary Reason was awful.... He was more well known for the tug of Dave Shula cap game vs Steelers in 1992 on MNF. 🤦🏽*♂️<br><br>All the more reason to rejoice in todays culture maintained by this front office, Coach Taylor and staff. <a href="https://t.co/vcSYleFcQ4">pic.twitter.com/vcSYleFcQ4</a></p>&mdash; Bengal Jim &amp; Friends (@bengaljims_BTR) <a href="https://twitter.com/bengaljims_BTR/status/1631271404028022786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I wouldn't say "disrespect" though. I don't remember Shula ever commanding respect at any point.

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17896011)
So they might just go all in on the 2018 Chiefs approach. All offense, no defense. Hope it's enough to win shootouts and see how far you can go. At least you have a fighting chance in every game with a strong offense.

If they go all in on offense, not doing too much to the D, it has to be with the Oline included.

I don't see that happeneing though. They'll put some money into the D. My #1 priority is the Oline.

Rausch 01-06-2025 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17896156)

I don't see that happeneing though. They'll put some money into the D. My #1 priority is the Oline.

It should be. If you don't want to pay two top 15 WR's that's fine but throw that money into the line to protect your largest investment.

Both KC and Cinci should have done what was necessary to fix the line and they didn't.

DJ's left nut 01-06-2025 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17895899)
Good article and what should be a concerning similarity for Bungholes fans.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Joe Burrow on the Carson Palmer frustration train, or is this a temporary setback? <a href="https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ">https://t.co/DH7hZFMCIJ</a></p>&mdash; The Athletic Cincinnati (@TheAthleticCIN) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticCIN/status/1876256416392233304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It starts...

(See my quote in rfaulk's sig line.)

I just don't know how things get better for him.

Bearcat 01-06-2025 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17896150)

I wouldn't say "disrespect" though. I don't remember Shula ever commanding respect at any point.

Shula was annoyed for reasons.

Bearcat 01-06-2025 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17896171)
It starts...

(See my quote in rfaulk's sig line.)

I just don't know how things get better for him.

Oh, that's ****ing good. ROFLLMAO

DenverChief 01-06-2025 05:39 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="qme" dir="ltr">😂😂😂 <a href="https://t.co/P097kzdFhY">pic.twitter.com/P097kzdFhY</a></p>&mdash; Chiefsplanet (@CPparodies) <a href="https://twitter.com/CPparodies/status/1876412994260971895?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

rfaulk34 01-06-2025 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17896171)
It starts...

(See my quote in rfaulk's sig line.)

I just don't know how things get better for him.

I think some of it is a little overblown, or hyperbolic, or whatever you want to call it--to an extent. The number of 1 score losses were insane. Teams usually win half of those. This year, before going 3-0 in their final 5, they were 1-7 in one score games.

Any single one of those 7...any one...and they're in the playoffs right now.

The Chiefs were an insane 11-1 in one score games. Any single one of those wins goes the other way and you have to play starters for the #1 seed.

This was just a weird season.

The thing is...in order for the changes that need(ed) to happen for this team, it's probably best that it turned out the way it did. One more win or one more loss from KC and who knows how this offseason goes after the playoffs are finished?

KC_Connection 01-06-2025 05:58 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nick Wright is a national treasure! 😂<a href="https://t.co/8oZogWStn6">pic.twitter.com/8oZogWStn6</a></p>&mdash; Brad Henson Productions (@BradHensonPro) <a href="https://twitter.com/BradHensonPro/status/1876390995367240029?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The Bengals should be shamed and embarrassed publicly as much as possible like this.

mr. tegu 01-06-2025 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17895922)
If I’m Joe and I want to win rings, **** yes I’m starting to plot my way out.

Get to the NFC. Your odds of reaching the SB increase x10.


It worked for him in college when he couldn’t beat out the random OSU QBs and had to transfer to the stacked LSU team to finally win. It’s no wonder he is begging for Higgins. To him having two number 1 receivers is just normal.

crispystl 01-06-2025 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17896008)
I don't remember that. When I was a kid I always thought of the Bengals as the bad team who's helmets I liked. lol I do remember Kijana Carter getting injured though.

I also remember wanting to beat Randy Cross with a baseball bat during the 2003 loss when Ochocinco predicted the win.

It was Peter Warrick I believe.


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