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Fansy the Famous Bard 07-15-2013 12:17 PM

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/vi...id=acnr7IbEan-

Heh

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-15-2013 12:20 PM

Frenchy gets punked by George.

http://mlbfancave.mlb.com/fancave/vi...id=acnr7IbEan-

Prison Bitch 07-15-2013 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious (Post 9813485)
I appreciate your insight to the minor league players and everything else. Your worst post in this thread is still better than PB's best post.

Actually, that's quite easy to disprove. Here he is on May 7 telling me I'm wrong about demoting Moose to Omaha and that he's actually heating up:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...as#post9664710



I have a lot of posts better than that.

Ceej 07-15-2013 01:02 PM

LMAO

The irony.

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-15-2013 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9813642)

I have a lot of posts better than that.

No... no you don't. :shake:

duncan_idaho 07-15-2013 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9813642)
Actually, that's quite easy to disprove. Here he is on May 7 telling me I'm wrong about demoting Moose to Omaha and that he's actually heating up:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...as#post9664710



I have a lot of posts better than that.

Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.

Nightfyre 07-15-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9813853)
Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.


All of this. Moose periodically shows flashes, but maybe he needs to work on his swing in the minors. PB is the worst kind of troll. I have ignored him, because really, he adds nothing in the form of either actual baseball discussion or entertainment. If you're going to troll PB, you could at least be entertaining instead of annoying.

Prison Bitch 07-15-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9813853)
Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.

I know, and I turned out right. I do like your posts here though, you are a knowledgable fan. We need more of you in truth.

Deberg_1990 07-15-2013 04:29 PM

IMO the Royals if they maintain, are in a pretty poor position for fans. Not bad enough to blow it up, but not good enough to be better than 3rd in their division. If they end up with 79-80 wins like I think....that just buys DM another year. Take that for what's it worth.



Oh, and we can't possibly go into next year and just hand the job to Moose if he shows no improvement. It's time to start thinking about alternate plans for 3rd base.

Sure-Oz 07-15-2013 05:14 PM

Parkins brought up a decent point that may seem obvious anyway....

Royals are 10 back or so by trade deadline they trade Santana, then DM isn't worried about his job.

If he hangs onto him then he def is scared he wont be back.

Ugh

mr. tegu 07-15-2013 06:55 PM

Okay so I'm going to take a look at the schedules for the rest of the year in hopes of maintaining a glimmer if hope. At this point I have no idea of the results.

Royals
Detroit - 11 (52-42)
Baltimore - 4 (53-43)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Minnesota - 6 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Boston - 4 (58-39)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Tampa Bay - 1 (55-41)
Toronto - 3 (45-49)
Seattle - 7 (43-52)
Cleveland - 6 (51-44)
Texas - 3 (54-41)
Washington - 3 (48-47)

64 games (we must be missing some make up games or something because that is only 156 for us)
Opponents w/l % - .498
Games vs winning teams - 32
Games vs losing teams - 32

Detroit
KC - 11 (43-49)
Chicago - 16 (37-55)
Philadelphia - 3 (48-48)
Washington - 2 (48-47)
Cleveland - 7 (51-44)
Yankees - 3 (51-44)
Minnesota - 6 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Oakland - 4 (56-39)
Boston - 3 (58-39)
Seattle - 4 (43-52)
Florida - 3 (35-58)

65 games
Opponents w/l % - .487
Games vs winning teams - 22
Games vs losing teams - 43

Cleveland
KC - 6 (43-49)
Detroit - 7 (52-42)
Minnesota - 13 (39-53)
Seattle - 3 (43-52)
Texas - 3 (54-41)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Anaheim - 6 (44-49)
Oakland - 3 (56-39)
Atlanta - 3 (54-41)
Baltimore - 3 (53-43)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Houston - 4 (33-61)

67 games
Opponents w/l % - .479
Games vs winning teams - 19
Games vs losing teams - 48

So wow at those numbers for Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't face a winning team after September 4th. Same with Detroit actually. The schedule clearly doesn't favor us. I guess the only "bright spot" is that 19 of our 31 games against winning teams are against Cleveland and Detroit. Regardless, I think I may have just destroyed any shred of hope that I might have had left.

GloryDayz 07-15-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GloryDayz (Post 9810872)
All we have left in this city is bitching, please don't suggest we leave one guy out because there's nothing that will ever force him to sell or do something meaningful to have his team succeed. Much like the Hunt family, he's a greedy **** and should garner bad press at every turn. Those close to him should be allowed to hear the honest opinions of others so that when they're close to him, they can at least, if only silently, question the man. Someday, one of those people who is close to him will ask him why, other than being rich, he's such a loser. At some point in time I hope one of those people won't be a whore to the man and decide that sucking off his financial teet is their only option, and break ranks. So I think the open and honest public criticism needs to continue to feed that person the information they need to have that hopefully-not-private conversation with the ogre. The sooner one of those being paid hush-money of sorts breaks ranks, the sooner we might be a winning team.

At a minimum glASS should have the balls to be very public, and relentless in the media, with the sport's lack of sensible pay structure. I wonder how many weekly rants in the media from an owner it would take before the owners would try to vote him off the island. It ould be more fun to watch than his team is most of the time... And MY tax dollars go into the stadium where THAT team plays, so telling us to just not follow the team is bullshit. If my tax dollars support it, I can bitch about it. If he doesn't like it, move the ****ing team (regardless of his agreement).

I might suggest, if there's one thing worse, or equal to, baseball's lack of some sensible and enforceable salary equality is that there's nothing that can be done about deadbeat owners like glASS.

While I don't want to say that I started all I heard about today on the various AM radio shows, I will say that it's interesting after I brought-up the tax issue yesterday at 10:17AM there was a LOT of talk about taxes and fan's rights. Black-out-ending talk or not, all of it's about us having a certain freedom to talk about owners (all we want) because we built the house their team plays in...

I know, I know, none of the local sports TV and Radio jocks monitor this board, it's just a coincidence!

Well they're either monitoring this board for content (and I think that's very-much true), or I just happened to guess the issue of the day (the day before) and should have gone to the boats! :)

SAUTO 07-15-2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious (Post 9813485)
I appreciate your insight to the minor league players and everything else. Your worst post in this thread is still better than PB's best post.

X1000
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lewdog 07-15-2013 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious (Post 9813485)
I appreciate your insight to the minor league players and everything else. Your worst post in this thread is still better than PB's best post.

Gee, thanks captain obvious.

Nightfyre 07-15-2013 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9814161)
Okay so I'm going to take a look at the schedules for the rest of the year in hopes of maintaining a glimmer if hope. At this point I have no idea of the results.

Royals
Detroit - 13 (52-42)
Baltimore - 4 (53-43)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Minnesota - 9 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Boston - 4 (58-39)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Tampa Bay - 1 (55-41)
Toronto - 3 (45-49)
Seattle - 7 (43-52)
Cleveland - 6 (51-44)
Texas - 3 (54-41)

66 games
Opponents w/l % - .498
Games vs winning teams - 31
Games vs losing teams - 35

Detroit
KC - 13 (43-49)
Chicago - 16 (37-55)
Philadelphia - 3 (48-48)
Washington - 2 (48-47)
Cleveland - 7 (51-44)
Yankees - 3 (51-44)
Minnesota - 6 (39-53)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Oakland - 4 (56-39)
Boston - 3 (58-39)
Seattle - 4 (43-52)
Florida - 3 (35-58)

67 games
Opponents w/l % - .487
Games vs winning teams - 25
Games vs losing teams - 42

Cleveland
KC - 13 (43-49)
Detroit - 7 (52-42)
Minnesota - 13 (39-53)
Seattle - 3 (43-52)
Texas - 3 (54-41)
Chicago - 10 (37-55)
Florida - 3 (35-58)
Anaheim - 6 (44-49)
Oakland - 3 (56-39)
Atlanta - 3 (54-41)
Baltimore - 3 (53-43)
Mets - 3 (41-50)
Houston - 4 (33-61)

64 games
Opponents w/l % - .479
Games vs winning teams - 19
Games vs losing teams - 45

So wow at those numbers for Cleveland. Cleveland doesn't face a winning team after September 4th. Same with Detroit actually. The schedule clearly doesn't favor us. I guess the only "bright spot" is that 19 of our 31 games against winning teams are against Cleveland and Detroit. Regardless, I think I may have just destroyed any shred of hope that I might have had left.

Not to nitpick, but how is it that the indians get to play us 13 times but we get to play them only 6 times?

Nightfyre 07-15-2013 10:59 PM

I'd bet Kipnis is on the PEDs:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chris-d...024447378.html
Quote:

“Definitely the old-school guys are gonna say 61,” Indians second baseman Jason Kipnis said. “But I almost might have to join them on 73, because when you start talking to players around the game, guys who played before you, I don’t think [Bonds] was the only one doing [PEDs]. I don’t think the pitchers were guilt-free, either, from what I hear. He was a product of his era. That’s what was going around the game at the time.
“You can put an asterisk there. You can do whatever you want. Fact is, the guy hit 73 home runs. Steroids were not hitting the baseball for him. It was impressive to watch, and you can’t take it away from him. The guy did it.”

mr. tegu 07-16-2013 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9814559)
Not to nitpick, but how is it that the indians get to play us 13 times but we get to play them only 6 times?

Details details. I went back and looked and the schedules on mlb.com are really messed up.

Prison Bitch 07-16-2013 08:00 AM

"Steroids weren't hitting the ball for him" Gawd I hate this logic that keeps being recycled. It's easy to destroy in 1 sentence: if there's no advantage to using steroids, why was Bonds using steroids?

sedated 07-16-2013 08:00 AM

So where's the outrage over those "classless" Mets fans booing Robinson Cano?

DeepSouth 07-16-2013 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9813853)
Yeah, he was in the middle of a two-week stretch in which his OPS was 1.059 in 14 games (they had played 31 games total at that point). He was not heating up at all.

It was a small sample size, but you were calling for him to be demoted just two weeks into the season.

Duncan, Totally different topic; Since you know more about the minors that most, what's the deal with Matt Fields? He's 27 and from what I can tell, never done much up to this point. But now, for the Naturals, he has 24 homers already this season. Is he a late bloomer, ballpark HR friendly, juicing, etc..... ? thanks,

duncan_idaho 07-16-2013 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 9815094)
Duncan, Totally different topic; Since you know more about the minors that most, what's the deal with Matt Fields? He's 27 and from what I can tell, never done much up to this point. But now, for the Naturals, he has 24 homers already this season. Is he a late bloomer, ballpark HR friendly, juicing, etc..... ? thanks,

The hope, I think, would be that Fields is the next Daniel Nava... guy who bounced through a few systems, never had huge hype, went to Indy ball and raked, and made the most of a second chance. When he signed with KC, Fields was a year older than Nava was when he signed with Boston, but the stories are similar.

It sounds like the power is real. He played some OF in the independent league but I'm doubtful he could hack it at the MLB level, or he'd be even more intriguing.

Mother****erJones 07-16-2013 01:17 PM

Royals claimed INF Pedro Ciriaco off waivers from the Padres.
Ciriaco, 27, was designated for assignment on Friday. He's batting just .228/.288/.342 with two home runs and eight steals in 51 games this season and should serve in a utility role with the Royals.


I remember this guy with the Red Sox

Three7s 07-16-2013 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9815527)
Royals claimed INF Pedro Ciriaco off waivers from the Padres.
Ciriaco, 27, was designated for assignment on Friday. He's batting just .228/.288/.342 with two home runs and eight steals in 51 games this season and should serve in a utility role with the Royals.


I remember this guy with the Red Sox

Batting .228? Sounds like he'll fit right in with our mashers. LMAO

DeepSouth 07-16-2013 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 9815776)
Batting .228? Sounds like he'll fit right in with our mashers. LMAO

What will the Royals do with him. Won't they have to release someone from the 25 and 40 man roster. Will they send Gio back to Omaha so this guy can become the everyday 2nd baseman?

DeezNutz 07-16-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 9815792)
What will the Royals do with him. Won't they have to release someone from the 25 and 40 man roster. Will they send Gio back to Omaha so this guy can become the everyday 2nd baseman?

:facepalm:

Al Bundy 07-16-2013 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9815527)
Royals claimed INF Pedro Ciriaco off waivers from the Padres.
Ciriaco, 27, was designated for assignment on Friday. He's batting just .228/.288/.342 with two home runs and eight steals in 51 games this season and should serve in a utility role with the Royals.


I remember this guy with the Red Sox

He sucks and will be our starting second baseman.

mr. tegu 07-16-2013 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9814895)
So where's the outrage over those "classless" Mets fans booing Robinson Cano?

Did they really boo him again? How bad?

BigMeatballDave 07-16-2013 05:43 PM

About time they found a bat to replace Frenchy.

Great Expectations 07-16-2013 07:24 PM

Dumbass media

gblowfish 07-16-2013 07:26 PM

I'd say Buck O'Neil was a better ambassador than Joe Torre. But guess who's NOT in the HOF???

teedubya 07-16-2013 08:30 PM

Holland pitched to Perez... and the ball was hit to Gordon. All 3 Royals were involved in same play in the All Star Game.

ChiefsCountry 07-16-2013 09:04 PM

By the way Hosmer and Moose are at the Lake of the Ozarks right now.
Posted via Mobile Device

Great Expectations 07-16-2013 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9816644)
By the way Hosmer and Moose are at the Lake of the Ozarks right now.
Posted via Mobile Device

Sounds like fun,would you rather them be in a convent?

ChiefsCountry 07-16-2013 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 9816705)
Sounds like fun,would you rather them be in a convent?

Just a PSA.
Posted via Mobile Device

Raiderhater 07-16-2013 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Expectations (Post 9816705)
Sounds like fun,would you rather them be in a convent?

Moose should be at batting practice.

gblowfish 07-16-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 9816644)
By the way Hosmer and Moose are at the Lake of the Ozarks right now.
Posted via Mobile Device

"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

Raiderhater 07-16-2013 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9816761)
"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

You are in rare form tonight.

Shogun 07-16-2013 09:38 PM

George you're killing it tonight

GloryDayz 07-17-2013 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9816761)
"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

I found something he can use. While not a Coast Guard-approved life vest, it'll work for the intended purpose.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...oG4aB9_17qEe8A

sedated 07-17-2013 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 9815923)
Did they really boo him (Cano) again? How bad?

I heard someone mention it in post-game (I didn't watch the HR derby), but they didn't go into detail. Something like "for the 2nd year in a row, Cano was booed". I was shocked that they didn't say more about it, considering the bashing KC fans took last year when it happened. I even did a google search, the only results were articles about last year.

Of course last year we all said "if that happened in Boston or NY, no one would say anything about it". Turns out that was exactly the case.

duncan_idaho 07-17-2013 08:29 PM

Royals get the No. 5 pick in the competitive balance lottery. If they hold on to Santana all season and get a competitive balance pick, they will have three picks in the top 35 and likely 4 in the top 45 or so. Right now, they'd have the 12th pick in the draft. Would work out something like this:

No. 12
No. 28-32 (Santana comp. pick - depending on how many teams sign Type A FA)
No. 37 (competitive balance)
No. 50 (second round pick)

GloryDayz 07-17-2013 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9817690)
I heard someone mention it in post-game (I didn't watch the HR derby), but they didn't go into detail. Something like "for the 2nd year in a row, Cano was booed". I was shocked that they didn't say more about it, considering the bashing KC fans took last year when it happened. I even did a google search, the only results were articles about last year.

Of course last year we all said "if that happened in Boston or NY, no one would say anything about it". Turns out that was exactly the case.

You know what it's about????? Dalla signs!

Prison Bitch 07-17-2013 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9816761)
"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

"From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell outta a f---- boat." - crash Davis

Deberg_1990 07-17-2013 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9818368)
Royals get the No. 5 pick in the competitive balance lottery. If they hold on to Santana all season and get a competitive balance pick, they will have three picks in the top 35 and likely 4 in the top 45 or so. Right now, they'd have the 12th pick in the draft. Would work out something like this:

No. 12
No. 28-32 (Santana comp. pick - depending on how many teams sign Type A FA)
No. 37 (competitive balance)
No. 50 (second round pick)

Busts

BlackHelicopters 07-18-2013 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish (Post 9816761)
"Hey Moose, life jackets are optional...."

Alcohol and no life jacket. Perfect.

BlackHelicopters 07-18-2013 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9818405)
"From what I hear, you couldn't hit water if you fell outta a f---- boat." - crash Davis

" Women get weary"

BlackHelicopters 07-18-2013 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9818368)
Royals get the No. 5 pick in the competitive balance lottery. If they hold on to Santana all season and get a competitive balance pick, they will have three picks in the top 35 and likely 4 in the top 45 or so. Right now, they'd have the 12th pick in the draft. Would work out something like this:

No. 12
No. 28-32 (Santana comp. pick - depending on how many teams sign Type A FA)
No. 37 (competitive balance)
No. 50 (second round pick)

Our player development department will turn these picks into perrinnial (sp?) All Stars.

duncan_idaho 07-18-2013 07:33 AM

I hate people who get the words wrong...

BTW, the competitive balance pick is tradeable. So if they DO move Santana at the deadline and the team they're trading with is leery about including what KC wants because it doesn't receive compensation back if Santana walks at year's end, the balance pick could be included to sweeten the pot.

It's an interesting idea that no one has really pulled off yet. But it would be the equivalent of trading Santana and a Top 75-100 prospect, which should return a pretty good haul.

Prison Bitch 07-18-2013 08:19 AM

To my knowledge the Royals have never made 1 good trade deadline deal. So I'll assume they won't this year either.

duncan_idaho 07-18-2013 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9818809)
To my knowledge the Royals have never made 1 good trade deadline deal. So I'll assume they won't this year either.

Rick Ankiel/Kyle Farnsworth for Tim Collins (other pieces don't matter) was pretty solid, even though Collins has struggled this year.

Jon Broxton for Donnie Joseph is going to pay off as well.

Santana is also - by far - the best piece the Royals have moved at the deadline.

P-90Rex 07-18-2013 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9818809)
To my knowledge the Royals have never made 1 good trade deadline deal. So I'll assume they won't this year either.

July 20, 2012 Jonathan Sanchez traded to Rockies for Jeremy Guthrie...

Prison Bitch 07-18-2013 09:25 AM

Meh, Sanchez sucks but Guthrie is one of the worst WAR pitchers in all of baseball this year via fangraphs. Plus he makes 8M. Not looking so hot right now. (Last year, yes)

KChiefs1 07-18-2013 09:35 AM

What is Santana worth?

Ceej 07-18-2013 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9818908)
Meh, Sanchez sucks but Guthrie is one of the worst WAR pitchers in all of baseball this year via fangraphs. Plus he makes 8M. Not looking so hot right now. (Last year, yes)

Keep deflecting.

You got called out and you were wrong yet again.

DeepSouth 07-18-2013 10:17 AM

Does anyone have any insight into what move the Royals will make tomorrow so they can add Pedro Ciriaco to the 25 man roster ?

penguinz 07-18-2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 9818987)
Does anyone have any insight into what move the Royals will make tomorrow so they can add Pedro Ciriaco to the 25 man roster ?

Moose to omaha.

Chris Meck 07-18-2013 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9818908)
Meh, Sanchez sucks but Guthrie is one of the worst WAR pitchers in all of baseball this year via fangraphs. Plus he makes 8M. Not looking so hot right now. (Last year, yes)

have you ever been right about anything at all ever in your miserable life?

Prison Bitch 07-18-2013 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9818931)
Keep deflecting.

You got called out and you were wrong yet again.


Deflecting what, moron? He's a negative value player this year and one of the worst in baseball - AND he's costing us 8M.


Don't be a fool and ignore the data.

Prison Bitch 07-18-2013 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 9819042)
have you ever been right about anything at all ever in your miserable life?

I trust actual data over the unproveable opinions of morons like yourself. Sorry, but it's the only rational decision.

Three7s 07-18-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9819055)
Deflecting what, moron? He's a negative value player this year and one of the worst in baseball - AND he's costing us 8M.


Don't be a fool and ignore the data.

Negative value? He has a winning record and has only a few bad outings. So what if he doesn't strike people out. For the most part, he's gotten the job done. Dunno what you mean by worst in baseball. I thought that accolade belonged to Wade Davies.

Ceej 07-18-2013 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9819055)
Deflecting what, moron? He's a negative value player this year and one of the worst in baseball - AND he's costing us 8M.


Don't be a fool and ignore the data.

Only you would negatively spin flipping Johnathan Sanchez for Jeremy Guthrie.

Dipshit.

Sully 07-18-2013 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9819055)
Deflecting what, moron? He's a negative value player this year and one of the worst in baseball - AND he's costing us 8M.


Don't be a fool and ignore the data.

You're trying to muddy the waters rather than admit you we're completely wrong.
We had Sanchez. We weren't going to keep him longer than last year, the way he was pitching. He, most likely, would've been cut if we hadn't traded him.
We traded him for another player in the same boat. Guthrie came to KC and finished the year 5-3 with an ERA under 4. Sanchez went to Colorado and finished 0-3 with an ERA around 9.5. As far as the trade goes, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS. We won that trade. There's absolutely no question.
His salary this year, and numbers this year have absolutely no bearing on if it was a good trade. None. He was a free agent, as was Sanchez.

In short... Stop always being wrong.

WhawhaWhat 07-18-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9819055)
Deflecting what, moron? He's a negative value player this year and one of the worst in baseball - AND he's costing us 8M.


Don't be a fool and ignore the data.

Isn't that a new contract signed this past offseason? The trade of Sanchez for Guthrie was only for the remainder of last season. Criticize the new contract all you want but the trade had nothing to due with this year.

Ceej 07-18-2013 12:09 PM

Prison bitch is used to being raped.

Prison Bitch 07-18-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 9819176)
Isn't that a new contract signed this past offseason? The trade of Sanchez for Guthrie was only for the remainder of last season. Criticize the new contract all you want but the trade had nothing to due with this year.

Agreed. That's a fair distinction. If we want to separate the two as separate actions, I can buy that. So the trade was 2 good months of Guthrie. The aftermath is potentially, 3 disastrous years of an extension. I'll stipulate.

duncan_idaho 07-18-2013 12:35 PM

Jeremy Guthrie was worth 2.0 bWAR after coming over from Colorado last year. 1.6 fWAR.

On that alone, it was a hugely successful trade.

Fangraphs and Baseball Reference disagree about his value this year. bWAR has him slightly above average.

Even with the negative value Fangraphs assigns Guthrie, he is the 88th best SP in major league baseball according to their rankings. With 30 teams in major league baseball, that makes him basically an average No. 3 starter. That's not great, but it also isn't terrible.

duncan_idaho 07-18-2013 12:37 PM

For the record... Fangraphs also has Wade Davis at 1.1 WAR according to its rankings.

Silly.

BigCatDaddy 07-18-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9819222)
For the record... Fangraphs also has Wade Davis at 1.1 WAR according to its rankings.

Silly.

Does Dayton Moore run Fangraphs by chance?

siberian khatru 07-18-2013 12:45 PM

Ahem ...

Dayton Moore: 'We're not going to back off'

siberian khatru 07-18-2013 12:46 PM

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"Our philosophy isn't going to change just because we're six games under," Moore told FOXSportsKansasCity.com.
And nothing says success like being six games under IN YOUR SEVENTH YEAR ON THE JOB.

BigCatDaddy 07-18-2013 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9819236)
And nothing says success like being six games under IN YOUR SEVENTH YEAR ON THE JOB.

He is already balls deep in with the Myers trade and 75Mil payroll. He can't pull out now or he looks like a fool.

DeezNutz 07-18-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9819233)

The author speculates that Moore would need "ready-now players" if he deals Santana. I have it on good authority that Moore wants immediate answers at third, catcher, and a starter who isn't far off.

duncan_idaho 07-18-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9819226)
Does Dayton Moore run Fangraphs by chance?

He doesn't.

I think FIP and xFIP are good stats, but not to the same extent Fangraphs does.

It focuses WAY too much on those in its WAR rankings for pitchers, IMO.

Guys that strikeout a decent amount of hitters but who give up a lot of hard contact are going to look better in FIP and xFIP than they really should (see: Hochevar, Luke).

I really think FIP and xFIP should account for contact rates (LD %, HR/FB %) more than they do.

BigCatDaddy 07-18-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9819244)
The author speculates that Moore would need "ready-now players" if he deals Santana. I have it on good authority that Moore wants immediate answers at third, catcher, and a starter who isn't far off.

Catcher?

This a Beltran reference?

Stewie 07-18-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9819246)
Catcher?

I think he typed "second" and it came out "catcher."

DeezNutz 07-18-2013 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9819246)
Catcher?

This a Beltran reference?

Dayton Baird. :D

duncan_idaho 07-18-2013 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9819244)
The author speculates that Moore would need "ready-now players" if he deals Santana. I have it on good authority that Moore wants immediate answers at third, catcher, and a starter who isn't far off.

I see what you did there....

Hopefully, they can get "Giambi-lite" in such a deal.

DeezNutz 07-18-2013 01:00 PM

And, FTR, narrowing your scope to "ready-now" players is pretty much a sure way to get ****ed in a trade.

TLO 07-18-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 9818919)
What is Santana worth?

This is what I'm wondering.

Prison Bitch 07-18-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9819218)
Even with the negative value Fangraphs assigns Guthrie, he is the 88th best SP in major league baseball according to their rankings. With 30 teams in major league baseball, that makes him basically an average No. 3 starter. That's not great, but it also isn't terrible.


Think about what you're saying: he has a (0.5) WAR. Frenchy has a (0.4) WAR. Oh yeah: Frenchy is 68th among all MLB outfielders in plate appearances which basically makes him an average #2 OF in the league.


That's not great but it's also not terrible. :harumph:


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