Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17498155)

I think this also plays in that Hollywood is probably gonna be here for 1 year, if he has the kind of year he can have in this offense, he'll get paid.

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17498155)

I think this also plays in that Hollywood is probably gonna be here for 1 year, if he has the kind of year he can have in this offense, he'll get paid.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17497644)

Funny how differently people see the world...

I honestly think Worthy is a floor pick rather than a ceiling one. I don't see a ton of room for added growth with him. His route running is already polished. His speed is what it is. His size isn't going to change appreciably. I don't see much ceiling left in him at all - this is the guy he's going to be and what will ultimately impact his productivity is scheme and opportunity.

That will come, for better or worse, fairly early on in his career.

Someone like McConkey has more upside to me because I think there's a translation question that hasn't been answered. I don't think he's been used in as broad a manner as some of his skills suggest he could be used. I think he COULD (not will, but could) be a Z receiver type based on traits and a frame that I think can carry a little more good weight than it has.

So I actually see Ladd as being a higher upside pick and Worthy as being a safer one. Because I think Worthy's floor is as a better version of Hardman. Maybe a Marquis Goodwin sort? And he has had a heck of a career even if he was never a true impact player.

I think Worthy slots in as being between Goodwin and DeSean Jackson. That's not a HUGE outcome curve. Whereas i think McConkey could be anywhere between Skyy Moore and CeeDee Lamb.

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan (Post 17498147)

As a person who follows the Big 12 closely and is a degenerate gambler, I absolutely HATED to bet against Texas. The amount of stress and pressure Worthy puts on a defense is ridiculous. You could feel it through the tv screen. You held your breath every single time they threw his direction.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17498166)

Possibly, but with Rashee and Worthy on rookie deals, maybe they can keep him for a couple more years.

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 17498216)

No longer just potentially, it happened.
Crazy fast.

https://i.imgur.com/W6orxeB.png

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17498219)

Hilarious:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the Bills move up tonight for either Odunze or Worthy.<br><br>I don&#39;t expect them to sit at 28 and hope Worthy makes it to them</p>&mdash; Bills Chat Podcast (@BillsChatPod) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillsChatPod/status/1783629554558337133?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17498250)

BAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Oof

Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan (Post 17498262)

Ever since musk took over Twitter I can no longer see replies without creating an account. I have never really missed it until right now.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17498126)

Man, you watch those highlights...

and I get it, they're 'highlights'...

but this kid threatens every blade of grass, just him. You want to press him and man up? Better not miss, or it's 7. WR screen? threat to take it to the house. Post? 9? Out? Crosser? Whip? You can see ALL of that in these videos.

This is no 'raw, but potential' Hardman pick. This is no speedy gadget player. This kid has already demonstrated excellent route running to go with the blinding speed, and is a GREAT ball tracker (which is perhaps the #1 problem we've had since Hill left.)

Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan (Post 17498262)

Ever since musk took over Twitter I can no longer see replies without creating an account. I have never really missed it until right now.

Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 17498271)

If the positive things I'm reading about Worthy are true, I see nothing separating him from the best WRs in the draft (and most drafts for that matter), other than a little weight.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17497644)

Funny how differently people see the world...

I honestly think Worthy is a floor pick rather than a ceiling one. I don't see a ton of room for added growth with him. His route running is already polished. His speed is what it is. His size isn't going to change appreciably. I don't see much ceiling left in him at all - this is the guy he's going to be and what will ultimately impact his productivity is scheme and opportunity.

That will come, for better or worse, fairly early on in his career.

Someone like McConkey has more upside to me because I think there's a translation question that hasn't been answered. I don't think he's been used in as broad a manner as some of his skills suggest he could be used. I think he COULD (not will, but could) be a Z receiver type based on traits and a frame that I think can carry a little more good weight than it has.

So I actually see Ladd as being a higher upside pick and Worthy as being a safer one. Because I think Worthy's floor is as a better version of Hardman. Maybe a Marquis Goodwin sort? And he has had a heck of a career even if he was never a true impact player.

I think Worthy slots in as being between Goodwin and DeSean Jackson. That's not a HUGE outcome curve. Whereas i think McConkey could be anywhere between Skyy Moore and CeeDee Lamb.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 17498169)

And the biggest different between Hardman & Worthy is Worthy is pretty damn good at running routes & Hardman never has been

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17498350)

I sincerely hope we fire Embree

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17498350)

I sincerely hope we fire Embree

Originally Posted by Dante84 (Post 17498350)

I sincerely hope we fire Embree

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17498126)

is a GREAT ball tracker (which is perhaps the #1 problem we've had since Hill left.)

Originally Posted by ForeverChiefs58 (Post 17498216)

No longer just potentially, it happened.
Crazy fast.

https://i.imgur.com/W6orxeB.png

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17498323)

Never heard of him but I hope for the best.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17498426)

LMAO

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17498428)

Not liking Worthy is one thing, but to have never heard of the guy who broke the 40-yd dash record is LMAO

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17498435)

There's nothing wrong with not having heard of Worthy. I have plenty of avid Chiefs fan friends who are the same. Of course, those fans also haven't heard of anybody in this draft except maybe Caleb Williams.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17498436)

I guess that would be my point -- if you haven't heard of Worthy, who do you know?

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17498436)

I guess that would be my point -- if you haven't heard of Worthy, who do you know?

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17497806)

I think Buffalo just admitted they don't think they are a contender right now so they took the deal they thought they could utilize the best, they basically are telling everyone, we're gonna be down for a few years so we don't care.

Originally Posted by redfan (Post 17498451)

MAnnn, I forgot the kid almost connected on the double pass v 'Bama! He coulda JJennings'd the Tide.
I wonder if Andy will have a double pass in the playbook this year. :hmmm:

Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 17498468)

I was actually just thinking about this. Because even if you think accumulating picks is your best option to improve the team...you've still given your biggest contender exactly what they wanted. Even THEY must not believe they can beat us this year.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17497682)

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/...2f_546x298.gif

No seriously - as good as you think this play is, it's better.

QB put that ball probably 8 yards from where it should've been. It was such a bad throw that 9 times out of 10 you don't realize it was ever catchable to begin with. MVS just coasts into the corner there and you say "Damn, these guys just can't get on the same page..."

I mean that ball should've been thrown to the bottom left corner of the Alabama A. Maybe further to the left than that even. The QB missed by a TON and Worthy just keeps his feet, finds the ball and angles towards it without losing much speed at all.

It's just special shit. Not many guys can do that at all.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17497706)

I mean take every single thing I said about Hollywood and use it here.

I said Hollywood was really killed by his QB play and that if you had him doing the stuff MVS was doing (where MVS simply wasn't locating/tracking some of these balls) you could normalize his productivity and get a top 25ish WR for your troubles.

Exact same analysis. Which to be fair is one of the worries I had about Worthy as a pick - he does seem a bit redundant.

But he can absolutely provide a massive shot in the arm to this team's downfield passing game and it does not take much at all to then open up the middle even more.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17498487)

There is absolutely zero pressure on Worthy coming in.

It reminds me of Mahomes, to be honest.

Insane intalent who walked into an offense loaded with Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill.

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17498475)

Or the Buffalo front office people are really confident Xavier Worthy is gonna be a bust. There are a lot of talented WR's in the Draft and it's a crapshoot to find out which ones will be legit players at the NFL level.

My hope is that Xavier Worthy's Pre-Draft workout with Mahomes is an indicator of strong chemistry right out of the gate (similar to Rashee Rice), instead of the miscommunication on the field we have seen involving guys like Mecole Hardman, Skyy Moore, Kadarius Toney, and Marquez Valdez-Scantling. None of those 4 guys worked out with Mahomes before joining the Chiefs roster.

Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 17498496)

Maybe, but if you're Beane you HAVE to second guess your evaluation of Worthy right?
I mean we have schooled him so thoroughly and so often you'd think he had to have some reservations. Guess not though...

Originally Posted by crispystl (Post 17498496)

Maybe, but if you're Beane you HAVE to second guess your evaluation of Worthy right?
I mean we have schooled him so thoroughly and so often you'd think he had to have some reservations. Guess not though...

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17498495)

That's honestly terrible. Just use Tyreek. And X-Wing benched 5 more reps.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgE9DoaXkAEj27k.png

Originally Posted by ModSocks (Post 17498500)

Meh. There's just so many talented WR's that will be available in the 2nd. They probably just have a large pocket of players they really like and feel really good about.

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17498501)

The reason for the Desean compare is because that's who Reid compared him to.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17498428)

Not liking Worthy is one thing, but to have never heard of the guy who broke the 40-yd dash record is LMAO

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17497165)

He's been to 4 super bowls in six years.



He can take his 1st round pick and throw it in the trash for all I care...

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17498517)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CJ Stroud on the Xavier Worthy pick<br>&quot;The AFC just got harder&quot; 🤣 <a href="https://t.co/kMHoOgKCoZ">pic.twitter.com/kMHoOgKCoZ</a></p>&mdash; • Chiefs Overload • (@ChiefsOverload) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsOverload/status/1783973285677396161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17498517)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CJ Stroud on the Xavier Worthy pick<br>&quot;The AFC just got harder&quot; 🤣 <a href="https://t.co/kMHoOgKCoZ">pic.twitter.com/kMHoOgKCoZ</a></p>&mdash; • Chiefs Overload • (@ChiefsOverload) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsOverload/status/1783973285677396161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17498520)

I didn't criticize him as a GM. He is obviously one of the top 2 GMs in the league.

He struggles to evaluate the WR position. The one receiver he drafted that hit, he drafted after Mahomes worked out with him before the draft, and gave him the Mahomes seal of approval.

Originally Posted by ModSocks (Post 17498503)

Yeah, he's far, far more like DeSean than Tyreek.

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 17498517)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CJ Stroud on the Xavier Worthy pick<br>&quot;The AFC just got harder&quot; 🤣 <a href="https://t.co/kMHoOgKCoZ">pic.twitter.com/kMHoOgKCoZ</a></p>&mdash; • Chiefs Overload • (@ChiefsOverload) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsOverload/status/1783973285677396161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 26, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Originally Posted by carcosa (Post 17498666)

Stroud seems nice and cool which is why I feel preemptively bad that he won't win shit while Mahomes is playing

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17496530)

Flowers is a more explosive route runner, elite change of direction.

Worthy is more pedestrian. Better comp is a tiny Gabe Davis.

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17498530)

Stroud quickly becoming my favorite non-Chiefs player

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17498520)

I didn't criticize him as a GM. He is obviously one of the top 2 GMs in the league.

He struggles to evaluate the WR position. The one receiver he drafted that hit, he drafted after Mahomes worked out with him before the draft, and gave him the Mahomes seal of approval.

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17498505)

I don't watch the 40 yard dash. I know plenty about football though.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17499773)

He has used 3 picks on WRs before this year that were actually high enough to expect something.

One is a massive hit. One is just a bust. One is a pretty average return for a 2nd round pick.

Saying they “struggle to evaluate WR” is just a stretch.

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17499773)

He has used 3 picks on WRs before this year that were actually high enough to expect something.

One is a massive hit. One is just a bust. One is a pretty average return for a 2nd round pick.

Saying they “struggle to evaluate WR” is just a stretch.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17499980)

It's not just about who he drafted. MVS sucked. Period. We overpaid by a lot for 2 years of crap.

Yeah, Toney had the punt return in the SB, but Veach actually said he could be a WR1. That's a ****ing joke. That's something an old drunk at the bar shoyts as he is getting kicked out for being belligerent.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17499980)

It's not just about who he drafted. MVS sucked. Period. We overpaid by a lot for 2 years of crap.

Yeah, Toney had the punt return in the SB, but Veach actually said he could be a WR1. That's a ****ing joke. That's something an old drunk at the bar shoyts as he is getting kicked out for being belligerent.

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17499991)

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17499988)

MVS played 2 years here and came up big in the playoffs for both of them. Worth every penny.

Toney was a great dart throw that just didn't work out. It was a late 3rd round pick. Nobody could've seen the drop off from last year to this one.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17499980)

It's not just about who he drafted. MVS sucked. Period. We overpaid by a lot for 2 years of crap.

Yeah, Toney had the punt return in the SB, but Veach actually said he could be a WR1. That's a ****ing joke. That's something an old drunk at the bar shoyts as he is getting kicked out for being belligerent.

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17499995)

I did.

And what drop off? Hes always sucked. Always.

Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17499980)

It's not just about who he drafted. MVS sucked. Period. We overpaid by a lot for 2 years of crap.

Yeah, Toney had the punt return in the SB, but Veach actually said he could be a WR1. That's a ****ing joke. That's something an old drunk at the bar shoyts as he is getting kicked out for being belligerent.