Here's a thought, tell me if I'm thinking clearly or if this is stupid?

In addition to the above speculation that the end of the 1st might be an awkward spot for WR value, I'm starting to think that there are more potential RD 2 quality WRs then will be chosen.

Translation: The bottom of RD 2 might be a good spot for WR value and I could see us waiting until then, again.

RD 2 Potentials:

1) Mitchell
2) Worthy
3) Walker
4) Polk
5) Burton
6) J. Wilson
7) McConkey
8) Rice Jr
9) Corley
10) McMillan
11) R. Wilson
12) Washington

Order the above in any way you like, assume that x6 are chosen at most before us and we still have some really interesting options. Especially is we believe Rashee Rice is our #1 WR.

Haven't seen his name too much around CP, yet.

I think I could be happy with one of those names and a middle of the road FA.

Say M. Brown at $12m on a 1-yr prove it and Rice Jr at the bottom of the 2nd.

Kelce = (GOAT)
+
Brown = ~New Hill
Rice = ~New JuJu
Rice Jr = ~New MVS
Watson
Moore
Ross
Remigio

I have to think Reid is going to want to add versatile speed around Rice to fill out that group which is why I have guys like Franklin and Worthy much higher on my list of expectations than many of the others.

The Draft Network has released its updated draft profiles for a lot of players, including several of our favorite WRs.

Worth checking out.

I keep coming back to Roman Wilson if KC doesn’t pop early. Crazy athlete.

Great stuff! They're really high on Coleman and Worthy.

They also like Franklin, Walker, and Burton.

The last 4 would fit KC's prototypical type IMO.

Man I don't like Coleman, at all. Just absolutely awful separation. Probably the one guy I'd be truly bummed if we took in R1. Franklin, maybe Walker, possibly Legette, maybe Mitchell works but I'm cooling a bit on him. Just not Coleman

We need a speedy kid that tracks the ball well down the field, has intelligence and wants to be great.

The tracking the ball thing may be the most important trait right now.

You've got Rice. You need the speedy deep threat.

I just don't wanna pigeonhole it into a "deep threat guy".

There's a few deep threat types I like in the mid rounds here that can specifically do that, but if we're gonna take one early....I'd take a shot on a guy I thought can be more than a complimentary type guy.

Roman Wilson in the 3rd round is an idea

I’ll no doubt going to change my mind 10+ times until the offseason.

But my current flavor of the week is bringing in Ridley or Hollywood Brown (Higgins likely tagged). And getting that deep threat in the second or third

I personally think Rice could take a huge step in his route running after being around a guy like Ridley.

I think we need to recognize a couple things.

A) The middle of RD2 has been a spot for WR runs of late. We've had to trade into the middle of the round to get 'our' guy.

B) We don't have the draft capital we've had in years past that allows us to move up in that 2nd round as easily without sacrificing capital in the 2025 draft.

C) Veach has been typically reluctant to move the next year's picks to move up; at least anything more than a day 3 pick.

Which is to say that if you're looking at a guy who you think 'might be a value at the back of round 2' then he's probably going around 50 in the draft. And if you think he's going to 50 and you can't get there, you're probably going to end up drafting him in the 1st or you're going to lose him altogether.

If you see Walker as someone who 'would be a value at the back of 2' then you should pretty much accept that we'll have to take him at the back of 1 based on our present standing and recent trends at the position in the draft. You're not 'reaching' for the 50th ranked player at 32 (for example) - you're simply taking the guy when you can because you're not going to get him at 64.

Agreed, the idea of who is a 1st/2nd/3rd round talent by most estimates is skewed by the fact that we're always picking at the end of the round, so you very well might be taking someone who is estimated to go a round later than where you take them. A potential 2nd rd talent may have to be taken in the 1st, just the way it is.

The flipside though is if you are picking somewhere between 29-32 in the 1st and after pick 60 in the 2nd and you see a group of WRs you like who may not be there by the 2nd rd pick, maybe trade down 5-10 spots out of the 1st and add something like an extra 3rd or 5th (or whatever the trade value would be). Obviously takes 2 to tango, but that's an ideal scenario that helps to add additional draft capital in a year in which our picks are limited to begin with.

My issue with doing that is, you end up taking the WR who's around 50 player wise and miss out on the TE that's the 2nd best TE in the class or whatever.

I think they could double-up on that in this draft. The WR room needs a boost.

Take one in the 1st/2nd. Take another in the 3rd or on Day 3. It's a deep WR draft, take advantage of that.

Getting, say, Franklin or Legette in the 1st or early 2nd (if you trade back just a spot or 2 from 32) and then pairing them with someone like Roman Wilson could be really fun.

You get a bigger X who is a legit deep threat on his own with other skills, PLUS a typical Reid-style little burner guy who can run all the deep routes in combination with the other new deep threat. You know, the stuff the Chiefs like to use to make DBs break their rules deep. LIke WASP.

I don't think we'll get a shot at Coleman, he's an alpha WR 1. Best moxy in the draft as far as I can tell. I get the impression he'll be massively successful despite his lack of separation. The guy just has that "it" factor. He's big, tall, fast, and never drops the ball. Plus he's a playmaker and returner. He's an ex-basketball guy, he doesn't need separation, he likes to box defenders out and rise up and snatch the ball over them like a rebound I think.

I'm really high on Coleman right now after watching his highlights, like him better than Legette probably.

Dude gives me Dez Bryant, Michael Irving, Keyshawn Johnson-type vibes.

The idea I was trying to promote is that there are probably a few guys worthy of being "our guy" that will fall to us in the 2nd and we'll get the opportunity to choose from a few attractive options. Especially if we score a quality WR in FA. Let's not forget that we're on our way to the SB already with the group we've got.

BUT to add to your comment above, I do think it is very Chiefs'like for us to try and move up into the 2nd to target our preferred choice at WR. I agree that we would likely spend this year's draft capital to move up, rather than future draft picks, OR maybe a player? ...I'm wondering if we might move Sneed or Jones on a Tag and Trade that get's us a mid or top of 2nd pick, or at least the draft capital for us to offer a package of picks to move up for our guy.

Say we're planning on signing Jones and there's a partner for a Sneed tag and trade, maybe TEN at #38....we'd have some really interesting options. You could take Legette and Worthy, Franklin and Sanders, or trade up for Coleman, etc... I don't hate it.

What would you guys expect to get from a Sneed tag & trade? And who would you take with the extra pick?

My attitude throughout has been to double dip at WR. This is the year to fix the WR room for the next 3-4. BUT...I've cooled on the approach a little. There's just a lot of guys we need to replace or plan to replace. If we resign D Smith I think I'd go for 2 WRs. If not I'm getting a WR but then looking at LT and DT early, as well as LB, guard, TE, safety. Getting to be a long list.

On the point of us potentially having to take a guy in the 1st who's more like a mid 2nd guy, I just don't think it's an issue this year. Seems to be a tonne of guys evaluated as late 1st, early 2nd types. If we pick WR I think it's a guy at worst we're saying is a top 40 talent.

Exactly the type that Reid pretty well never employs.

Truth, but it might be fun to do something different.

No, not an MVS 'deep threat guy'

I want a guy with the speed to threaten deep, and ball tracking skills.

I don't really want a 'move the chains' possession receiver type guy so much.

I want somebody who can catch the ****ing ball when Mahomes wants to throw deep.

I agree Meck. I don't think most of us are looking at a speed guy and thinking that we want a guy that can just line up and run real fast in a straight line. There are 10 MVS types available in the 4th and 5th rounds every year.

I want a guy with speed who is also a really good WR at all levels of the field, and those guys aren't exceedingly plentiful. Usually, they go pretty ****ing high in a draft. I think this season presents a unique opportunity for the Chiefs to get one because of the strength of this draft class.

Yeah, you guys want a legit all 3 levels guy. Those guys go in the top 15 and or are paid 25 million dollars a year.

I don't think Franklin is that guy with his size being what it is, but he could be. Coleman gives me underwear warrior vibes (honestly so does Legette a little bit) but I've seen Legette win more in the short and intermediate level than I did Coleman this year.

The guy from UNC may end up the best of both worlds.

Here are the guys I think really fit the Chiefs typical WR profile:

Franklin
Worthy
Walker
Burton
R. Wilson
Washington
Rice Jr
Thrash
Clark

Fast. Separators, Deep Threats, and/or plus Route Running abilities.

Anyone else you think fits?

Love this scouting report on Rice Jr:

Made Bruce Feldman's Freaks List at #53. He said, "...the biggest Freak of the bunch is the one with the heftiest football bloodlines, Brenden Rice, son of the greatest receiver ever, Jerry Rice. The younger Rice, who had 39 catches for 611 yards (15.7-yard average) and four touchdowns in 2022, is 6-3, 215 pounds and hit 23 MPH on the GPS and had an impressive 1.43 10-yard split. This offseason, Rice also vertical-jumped 38 inches, did 17 reps of 225 on the bench and squatted 525 for three reps."

Utilizes his outstanding length and "alpha dog" mentality on 50/50 balls, and displays an expansive catch radius.

Despite his tall frame, showcases rare suddenness and burst off the LOS, presenting challenges for DBs during route transitions.

Flaunts high-caliber boundary awareness and body control; often seen toe-tapping or making leaping grabs near the sidelines.

A natural hands catcher, he consistently high-points the ball, diminishing a defender's chance to break up the play in tight windows.

While not just a vertical threat due to his impressive top-end speed, he's a YAC monster, showing elusiveness post-catch in open fields.

Brings versatility to special teams; his kick and punt return prowess at Colorado underscores his multidimensional skill set.

A proven clutch player with big-game DNA; consistently elevates his play in high-stakes situations like Tulane and Oregon outings.

His membership of Bruce Feldman's Freaks List isn't by chance; it's a testament to his explosive off-the-line burst, evidenced by his notable 1.43 10-yard split. Scouts have been buzzing about his agility and ability to create separation, although there are murmurs about refining his route tree and high-pointing ability against more physical DBs.

Tank Dell isn’t big, and he was tearing it up. Yes he got hurt. Broken fibula. But damn near any player in the NFL would have the same injury coming out of that play.

Franklin is a playmaker. I wouldn’t pass because of his size if he is available.

Where was Tank Dell drafted?

Then he got hurt.....so....

On a do over, where should Dell, and the Rams Nacua for that matter, have been drafted?

And I won’t touch your other point. This isn’t the lounge.

Franklin will be 6’2” and 190. What is the issue with that size?

Are we trying to make him an inline WR?

:shrug:

Yes but...

You really love yourself some Brandon Aiyuk. The 49ers got him with the 25th pick in 2020 and he was the 6th WR off the board in what was a really strong draft class. That class had Henry Ruggs, Jerry Jeudy, CeeDee Lamb, Jalen Reagor, and Justin Jefferson all go ahead of him. None were collegiate slouches and every bit as strong as this year's class. Tee Higgins and Michael Pittman went the first two picks of the 2nd round.

So, we have an exceptional opportunity based purely on strength of class to have one fall into our laps at the bottom of the round that can be an excellent pairing with Rashee.

I agree that this is the year to take a RD 1 WR, the talent is there for us have a few difference makers within reach to choose from.

Crow, curious what you think of the list above I made to reflect the Chiefs prototypical WR targets in this draft, and if you'd add or subtract any names?

For sure

But the more we get on this class…it seems like there’s 3 then just a bunch of “maybe”. Some will end up good, some more Reagor like.

I just like McMillan and Polk as much as Franklin so I’m inclined to wait and see

Sure but on do overs, Brady goes earlier, Tyreek and whoever etc

Guys that size just go there because on the average, they just don’t work out

I'm not as maybe as you are I guess. I'm not maybe on Franklin. I'm certain Worthy, Thomas, and Mitchell are all guys you can feel good taking in the 25-40 range. I'm not high on Coleman for this offense, but I'm confident he's going in the 1st to a team that values big, jump-ball WRs.

I think I like worthy the most out of that group that seems to be bunched where we’re gonna be picking

might be the one guy other team's fear we take in the 1st.

I know he didn't do much before last season, but I'd have a really hard time passing on Legette if he's there when we pick. You might just end up getting the best of the whole damn bunch. Speed, hands catcher, big physical guy, speed, contested catches. Did I forget to mention speed?

Reminds me of Anquan Bolden, but with low 4.3 speed.

It's him or Franklin for me. Obviously depends on how the board falls. Veach may have OL or DT in the board there too.

Xavier Leggett today was measured...South Carolina listed him at 6'3...he's actually 6'1

Well he's still taller than A.J. Brown, who he reminds me of, so :shrug:

I don't think those couple of inches matter as much when he's as big and fast as he is.

It'll hurt him to some degree, that's how it works this time of year.

His wing span is pretty average also.

So the question becomes... what does he run at 6-1/220?

Is he low 4.3s? What does his 10-yard split look like?

And how does he perform in Senior Bowl practices, running routes outside the offense he just came out of.

Hopefully this man has not heard this before

All the WR's have a great opportunity to earn themselves a lot of money with a solid week at these Senior Bowl practices.

Really looking forward to see who shines.

I thought he was 6’1” or possibly 6’2”, so doesn’t change my opinion at all. Plays bigger. Big body, long arms, and a good high pointer. If his route tree shows any promise whatsoever then I’m totally onboard with him. I have zero concerns with him beyond that.

Any concerns about his ability to learn an offense given his minuscule production in his first 4 years of college? I'd have serious concerns, especially with an Andy Reid playbook. And if it isn't that then what exactly was the reason for the sudden ascent? That's equally concerning because then you have to bring in the question of performance-enhancing drug use.

Fair questions. I trust Veach to do the proper vetting in terms of PEDs and intelligence. Maybe he just got tired of mediocrity and started busting his ass in workouts. That’s what that guy who runs scouting for the Senior Bowl seemed to think.

Based on the two times I’ve seen him speak, and based on his Twitter timeline, he seems like a thoughtful enough guy. Doesn’t sound like a total Kadarius Toney-like imbecile, at least to me anyway. Seemed more like Rashee than Kadarius. But who knows? It’s not like I’ve sat down and picked his brain.

Holy shit

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Finishing up my top 50 reports tonight. <br>11 OL<br>11 WR</p>&mdash; Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1752160058169868660?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Two things I'd be concerned about and you definitely hit on one, and I've mentioned the other.

1. Intelligence to grasp Andy's playbook
2. Route tree

Depending on where our scouts evaluate him in terms of those two areas would determine whether he's a good fit for us. He has all the physical tools. Watching a big guy like that turn the corner on DBs even when they have the angle is something you just don't see that often. He really is a freak of nature. Hardly ever see a guy with a body like Deebo or AJ running low 4.3s outside of maybe DK Metcalf.

I was likely a little ambitious comparing him to Rashee mentally. He's definitely not as engaging as Rashee. How that shakes out in terms of intelligence is hard to say. Seems like a pretty shy guy. Somewhere in between Rashee and Kadarius is my best guess, but it's just a guess.

It seems to me that Legette has a lot of Rashee Rice in him. Don't think we'll look for a guy like him to match with what we have. He looks good though and I don't get people being out on him bc he's 6'1"

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">22.3 reasons not to be out on Legette <a href="https://t.co/wNcJaxB1xK">pic.twitter.com/wNcJaxB1xK</a></p>&mdash; Reel Analytics (@RAanalytics) <a href="https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/status/1752184609637323174?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Roman Wilson looking really good in Senior Bowl practices. Tez has looked good, but has dropped a couple.

Ja"Lynn Polk just screams "Chiefs WR" to me? Am I off here?

His height doesn't change my eval of him if only because I really don't care that much about height.

Jump ball guys are overrated. And longer levers make for less agile players; in many ways height can be a disadvantage.

i just don't care that much. How he runs will matter far more to me than anything else. And ultimately how he interviews is what's REALLY going to matter to Veach and Reid. And we'll just never have the answer to that.

Yeah, I don't much care for WR's over 6'1. I get the appeal, but physics just makes it tough for those guys to be precise route runners and such. It's hard to corner a tank.

Yet I could argue 3 of the top 5 WRs of all time are 6'3 or taller.

Outliers happen.

I'm not drafting for 'top 5 WR of all time...'

The thick part of the bell curve on WR productivity is in the 5'11''-6'2'' range.

Yes, Randy Moss and Calvin Johnson happened - they ain't happening in THIS draft.

Terrell Owens also happened...

I've watched a lot of Polk and he lacks athleticism. Like, he's pretty darn slow. I don't see how he'd uncover in the NFL or even win on the sidelines consistently. He was part of a really talented passing attack and benefited from having Odunze and McMillan for defenses to worry about. I just don't see it working out in KC because it looks like this offense desperately needs to add speed at the skill positions across the board.

I'm a Legette fan, I think he's a playmaker we can get that ball to and count on him to make something happen. Would be fun to see him tear it up at the Senior Bowl and make some noise.

I like Thomas Jr also, as a better MVS in this offense.

But I think Franklin is still best fit for what Andy looks for in a WR.

I don't know anything about these guy's intelligence so I won't speak on their ability to grasp the playbook, but its true Andy expects you to learn the whole offense and not just a single WR position.

I'm with you on this, but do have concerns that Legette lacks so much nuance in his route running that it may be difficult to get him up to speed. Watching guys like Franklin and Thomas Jr. use fakes, variance in speed and tempo, and then seeing Legette rely solely on his speed and size makes me wonder how that will translate to the pros. I still really like him and would be happy to add him, but there's question marks.

I'm coming around a bit on Xavier Worthy, too.

Not wrong.

I like McMillian more I think.

Here's the thing though....at 31/32 that's just what you're gonna get. I'd love to have a guy with no question marks, but those guys go in the top 5....

How do people who are into Leggett respond to this take on him...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I didn&#39;t say that at all. The weigh-in was another negative on Legette who, as I said, I was already out on due to his late age, late breakout, and inconsistency in his routes and footwork. I think Legette will struggle in the NFL. It&#39;s not a lazy take, and we don&#39;t know if it is…</p>&mdash; Shane P. Hallam (@ShanePHallam) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShanePHallam/status/1752396810469953645?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Apparently he's the same age as Jamar Chase I had no idea he was that old as a prospect.

He's the same age Rashee Rice was coming out. Not an issue as much as answering the question of what took so long for him to breakout.

Why when I watch this shit is the only thing that keeps going through my head is "We're going to draft Ladd McConkey aren't we?"

We won't draft Sky Moore 2.0

I hate the "inconsistency in his routes" stuff with college WR's. Yeah, no shit.

Coach them up.

That's a harsh comparison at least he played at a power 5 school.

You should break your keyboard for even typing that.

I honestly don't even know if it's WR first, some of these guys are gonna go way earlier.

Troy Franklin could easily be a top 20 pick.

I would say so far Legette hasn't looked very good in day 1 of senior bowl practices. Hasn't looked bad but I was hoping he would dominate a little more.

I think I'm rooting for Legette to run an absolutely stupid time and have a kick-ass Senior Bowl. Drive him up the board, increase the likelihood Franklin makes it to KC at 32.

There are so many teams that can go WR early I think you only get Franklin if you move, like I think his absolute lowest spot is Buffalo.

For example..

Top 10
Harrison, Nabers

10-15
Odunze

I think those 3 are locked in the top 15, Brian Thomas could easily go in the top 15 also. So all of the sudden Franklin is now the next guy...

WRs require plenty of coaching early in their careers.

Can't coach size and speed into them though.

Say no to McConkey and yes to Roman Wilson

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nearly every WR with under 2.5 YPRR has been a bust or slow out of gates. <br><br>Jalen Reagor - 2.08<br>Jahan Dotson - 2.21 <br>Henry Ruggs - 2.23<br>Jamison Williams - 2.51<br>Kadarius Toney - 2.56<br><br>So yes….<br><br>Brian Thomas Jr - 1.90<br>Keon Coleman - 1.85<br>Adonai Mitchell - 1.75<br><br>Is concerning. <a href="https://t.co/yviIcjsmem">https://t.co/yviIcjsmem</a></p>&mdash; Elite Drafters (@Elite_Drafters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Elite_Drafters/status/1752114109053583778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 29, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Adonai and Coleman not looking good with those numbers. Both have a 33% contested catch rate. Worthy a 25% contested catch rate. Franklin 37%.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2024 WR Class <br>Contested Catch % in 2023<br><br>Rome Odunze - 70.8%<br>Ja&#39;Lynn Polk - 55%<br>Tez Walker - 58.8%<br>Jermaine Burton - 58.3%<br>Brian Thomas Jr. - 58.3%<br>Xavier Legette - 47.6%<br>Malik Nabers - 47.6%<br>MHJ - 43.3%<br>Troy Franklin - 37.5%<br>Adonai Mitchell - 33.3%<br>Ladd McConkey - 33.3%</p>&mdash; Elite Drafters (@Elite_Drafters) <a href="https://twitter.com/Elite_Drafters/status/1751049233430663381?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 27, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>