If he's good with forfeiting north of $1M Week 1 he can really teach the Chiefs a lesson while they win by 14 instead of 20.

That would also destroy his negotiating power across the league too...

Yeah we could still be dominant, but I'm not holding my hopes that these guys start playing lights out without a guy getting double teamed 70%+ of the time. I think it'd be very clear how important he is if he were to sit out a few games. I don't think he will, but if they lose him they better be sure these guys can get to the QB without him being in the middle.

We won 2 games last year but more than 20 points.

We lost 3 games by 3, 3, 4. The post season games we won were by 7, 3, 3. 10 out of our 17 wins were by 7 points or less. Let's not act like we're blowing teams out. Let's not act like the offense was the reason why we beat the Bengals. It was Chris Jones.

Don't have to sell me on Jones. He's important, and especially important once we start playing teams with elite QBs in the playoffs. But I do expect our very young team to improve in other areas, and I also think the Lions are being over-hyped. Absolute worst case (barring injury) is a shootout where Mahomes is Mahomes and we win in the final minute.

Because the chiefs want to win a Super Bowl and need their best defensive player to do it and they can’t tag him next year because of the cost of the tag and they’d ideally want value coming back

He's ours for this season whether he signs a new deal or not and he'd be a damn fool to give less than his best while looking to get a new deal from whoever he signs with eventually.

I've read several times about the cost of the franchise tag being too high. Why does that keep being said? It's less than $20M for DT or pass rushers. That's way less than he's counting against the cap this season. I think that the second tag rule applies because he was tagged on his last contract. But even then, it's not that high. His base salary, if I'm not mistaken, is $19.5M. the rest of his cap number is prorated signing bonus. So, his cap number would be under $24M. Who wouldn't trade at that price? That's about what the top DT's not named Donald are getting. And, the Chiefs could afford to keep him considering that his cap number would be lower than it is this year. Am I missing something?

The tag is the average of the top 5 at the position or 120% of the previous years salary and bonuses, whichever is higher. The second part gets forgotten because most franchise guys are coming off a rookie contract so it doesn't matter.

Yes. And that's what I was going off of. The only guy at the position making more than $24M is Donald. He isn't pulling it up that much. Especially considering that the highest priced guys below him just signed their contract and will be cheap on the first year. It was $19M last year. It won't be higher than the 120% of his $19.5M base salary for this year, which would be less than $24M

It's how the franchise tag is worded. If he was franchised next year, then he'd be making ~ $33 mil for the season. It says it in the article below.

https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/k...n-new-contract

So his cap hit this year is $28 mil this year and next year it'd be $33ish mil. That's $61 mil in cap hits over 2 years, so 2 yrs $61 mil. He's got some leverage unless the Chiefs are willing to tag and trade. Who knows what they plan on doing. I just hope they can meet somewhere around $28 mil/yr and he stays until he retires. He's probably asking for $30 mil/yr and the Chiefs are saying $25 mil or maybe they're willing to do the $30 mil, but they want to add in a huge last year inflated number that he probably wouldn't see. I don't think he's ok with that because if you look at the big defensive contracts none of them are structured like that.

I'm not sure that article is correct. The CBA says salary. His salary is $19.5M.

I was wrong apparently. I found this on NFL.com

Prior Year Salary (PYS): A player's PYS is composed of his base salary, roster and reporting bonuses, prorated signing bonus and other payments to players for playing in the NFL for the previous league year -- except any performance bonuses outside of roster and reporting bonuses. This is important because the PYS is used for the calculations of the tags.

It's 120% of base plus bonuses, not just base. So it'd be 120% of $28 million, not $19.5.

That’s a 33.5 million dollar anvil

It works in his favor either way more or less. Play this year for $21MM and either get paid or get $33MM next year. :shrug:

The holdout doesn’t seem to change anything but cost him $.

Would he not be able to negotiate a new deal with the team he is traded to, so they would not be on the hook for 33.5 million the first year? And more importantly, once he is traded, wouldn't the Chiefs recoup the entire 33.5 million towards the salary cap for next year?

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https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...3#post17028573

It’s why the bidding for his services starts at 30 mil a year

Yes they’d have a new deal

But the cap number would be on the chiefs likely during free agency so they’d find it tough to spend

It's just greed at this point. Cut bait with this mofo after the season and draft a stud DT.
I hate greedy players that think of themselves before the team. We have another Tyreek situation at hand.

I agree. The Chiefs have all the reasons to wait it out. They don't NEED him in the preseason, and he's not a threat to sit out into the season. He will lose BIG game checks the way that contract is structured. If he plays on the current contract, he would be the one taking the risk and hoping he won't take a dip in productivity or even suffer some injuries at 29 when he's very close to the end of his prime.

Even if he duplicates his very good season, his potential contract on the open market will be significantly less in guarantees, years, and APY than he could get now. That's IF he duplicates AND stays healthy.

The Chiefs have a glaring hole, but they know CJ will be there this year and can address it next off-season if he refuses to sign. They have almost all the leverage and the longer he continues to hold the more he will piss Andy off enough that he won't be here beyond this year.

Totally agree. Chiefs have the leverage here, not the other way around.
I have always been against the idea of extending players not named Mahomes and Kelce approaching 30. You pay a player for what you expect he will produce going forward. It's insanity to pay CJ $27+ million/season when he is entering the decline phase of his career.

Ah. So it is. I haven't followed this thread every day. I missed that.

Well, since he won't get paid for weeks that he holds out, the Chiefs, I would think, would free up that salary cap space every week that he doesn't play, to the tune of over $1.1M per week, right? So, that seems to be even more leverage for the Chiefs as it goes on. There's no way that his holdout drags into the season. Maybe he's okay with losing over a million dollars for skipping training camp. But it adds up a lot faster when you're missing game checks over a million dollars each week.

What advice is Jones getting? No team is giving him the Donald contract. He should sign what we offered and get his 2024 money and be happy.

I understand his wanting that last big payday. But Mahomes IS this team. He left enough for CJ last time. CJ needs a little humble pie, and do to him as Patrick did to him. How many millions yuh need bruh??

Unless some team goes after him early in the free agency period as well. That could happen. And if all 33.5 free up when he signs somewhere else, it is what it is. Compensation might not be all it could be due to the Chiefs looking to unload salary, but still might be better than nothing.

The best compensation we could probably hope for would be a trade now. Not an ideal situation getting this close to the season, but again, it is what it is. With the 20 million in cap savings this year, you could fill the void with someone like Suh for a year, and still have money to do other things.

This is what I have been saying, the Chiefs have way more leverage than others have been saying. Jones will sign next week and be in camp before the 1st preseason game

LMAO

There’s no one out there to sign at this point and we still do in fact want to win a sb.
It’s just not a smart thing to do now. Tag and trade after another big year

Jacob Hargrave is 30, not the caliber player jones is and just signed a 4 year 84 million dollar deal this off-season.

Chris comes in and has another good year, he’s getting 28-30 on the market.

So why wouldn't he take $27 for 4 with $75 guaranteed? Takes the risk off the table... That's while he will sign next week.

Because he has leverage and thinks he can get more than that.

So did we sign this piece of shit yet?

Another piece to consider....Mahomes and Kelce are taking less money to provide cap room to sign other key pieces of a SB team. Jones qualifies. What will they think if they let Jones walk? Why am I taking less?

I look at it like Jones needs to do the same.

Oh yes. 3 years ago. This POS does not want to honor the contract to which he signed.

So....they take less so THIS guy can take the max?

I think you're missing the point bruh.

Jones needs to get on board for the dynasty or chase max money elsewhere.

Those numbers are exactly what needs to happen or we have to move on.

We don't know the exact details of what the exact terms are that are being offered but I have no doubt Veach has him a reasonable contract on the table.

That being said , I despise greedy players. Maybe he just wants to avoid the heat and torture of camp. If so , he's a pussy.

So now I'm coming to the conclusion he's a greedy pussy.

Stop with this nonsense. Do you think they will get upset if the Chiefs make him a fair offer and Jones refuses because he wants to make Aaron Donald money starting in his 30's?

I’ve said this before, but Chris Jones’ dad, before the Titans AFCCG, said Mamomes would take less for the Chiefs to re-sign Jones.

I strongly suspect Pat and Trav don’t appreciate Reek and Jones’ approach.

Exactly! Drop the mic and close the thread.

They have not given any indication of being upset so you are just projecting your own opinion without any evidence.

The post you’re replying to is basically a summary of a recent arrowhead pride article. Not sure why the OP didn’t just link the article instead of claiming the thought as his own.

I haven't seen that Arrowhead Pride article, but it's a pretty simple basic question anybody might ask when looking at the situation. No reason to assume it's some kind of thought plagiarism.

LOL, with a severely hobbled Mahomes and MVS the only true starting receiver... Let's not pretend if they were healthy we wouldn't have scored more...

if you weren't thinking this already, before any article came out, you are not very smart... This is as "captain obvious" as it gets and is in no way stealing thoughts... LMAO Thought police in the house.

I still predict he gets traded.

Would love for him to go to the Bears,

We swap 1's in the trade and receive 2025 2nd and 4th

Would you take that.

Ok Balto

You mean right now? Or after the season?

That’s a light return after the season unless the Bears are picking in the top 10 again. It’s way too light if it’s now/sight unseen.

And injuries happen...

Maybe next time it's Kelce or the LT...

Ok gang...

I can't reveal my sources, but I'm being told a deal is VERY close to getting done

I really don't know what Jones wants but you kind of have to pay him...otherwise what are Mahomes and Kelce doing taking less?

Is it DJBILL?

The thing to me is he will have made 100 million so far after this year
he is still going after all the monies...

No, our DL will get raped without Jones. He's the enforcer.

No need to worry. He will be here SOON!!!!

I’m ready if needed

Nobody wants to get raped.

They're taking less so that the team has more cap money to go around. But that doesn't mean that they have to pay stupid high demands. Do you really think that Mahomes and Kelce want to see them pay Jones whatever he wants regardless of how unreasonable the price is? I don't. That goes against the whole idea of more to go around. If it wasn't for the stupid ass Rams overpaying Donald by a huge margin, this wouldn't even be an issue. Every other team paid an AAV of $24M or less. We have seen the league throw out the stupid Deshaun Watson contract as an outlier. Every other team with a top DT has disregarded the stupid Donald contract. I hope that the Chiefs hold their ground at whatever they've offered, because I'm pretty sure that it's well above every other DT contract that isn't an outlier If he doesn't take it. F him. There's the door. Don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out!

Really. Must be nice to be you.

Week 1? I believe the CBA allows for players to be fined for missing preseason games as well, at the same rate. Jones will be fined over $1 mil if he does not report by the NO game... That's why he will report and/or sign next week.

Ok? Maybe its an aging Jones and he gets Haglunds...

This is where I am confused. What is his leverage? I get it, we aren't the same defense without him and I hope we sign him, but he has way more to lose tahn the Chiefs if he doesn't sign.

Well regardless of what happens in Veach we trust.

It would be a sad day, but if he truly is being unreasonable I'd have no problem making him play this year, then moving on... maybe draft a DT #1 and shore it up with a young vet free agent

In which case you’re punting LT to another year?

Yeah, I doubt if Veach overpays him too much. Kind of like letting Tyreek go, its the way it is sometimes.

Lets see what Donovan Smith brings before we punt

I’m optimistic he’ll be fine this year, but he’s on a one year contract and I’m not sure if it’s wise to count on him long term at his age.

There was a draft rumor the Chiefs were trying to trade up for Mazi Smith. No team they were talking to wanted to trade with KC, understandably. As we sit here today that rumor makes a lot of sense.

Although I like Felix Mazi may have helped the team more. Perhaps Veach saw a contract dispute coming? It's a mess.

In all reality the best option for the Chiefs long term is to let Chris play out his contract this year then use the Franchise Tag next year. After that his value will drop dramatically due to his age.

I'm with Veach on this, play hardball. Chris is making a ton of money this year. We're about to find out how much he really loves this team.

He's only 30, if he looks good we have a year or two to get it figured out long term... #NoWorries

Yeah, if he never wants to play anywhere else... then prove it

We're getting ready to become a genuine dynasty, why would you wanna haggle over a few million, when the fame that comes with that is worth far more than a few million?

Hi Chop, how's life brother? We haven't seen you around in a while.

A year or two?

No KC doesn't have two years to figure it out. They aren't going to sign him to a one year extension. I guess he could theoretically play on the tag next year, but, no.

He either signs a multi year deal with KC or he at most plays one more year in KC.

Have you ever been tested for ADD, complete awkwardness or just mental slowness in general?

It's like you can't see the difference between when a PM is appropriate or just stumbling into a gaffe into an unrelated thread you think you could take over because of whatever deficiency you're struggling with in life. If you shit your pants in real life would you consider it awkward to still be holding on a conversation without cleaning up?


Wow!

Why are we even arguing?

Lets see him play a season, and then we'll know what needs to happen going forward

You don't seem nice

nope just being friendly.