Kind of a CP Lexicon candidate if you ask me.

What WR were they going to get that would 1) cost so little in draft compensation and 2) have 3 years left on a deal that's not even $6M total?

Brandin Cooks was going to cost guaranteed money next year. OBJ is going to have a bidding war.

I don't necessarily disagree with you but I'd be interested to know who you would have targeted if you were Brett Veach.

Exactly. Plus at most we lost a comp pick. Big ****ing deal. Low risk high reward potential

Now let's get Hughes for a 4th and win another ****ing Superbowl

Probably the worse one was Josh Gordan and by all accounts he didn't fall of the wagon while here. He just wasn't any good any more.

I was just messing with ya. Your point stands for sure. He has some behavioral issues that need to be corrected and we'll see if it works out. I don't have much information about his issues other than the fact that he fell out of favor with the Giants very quickly. But, for what will essentially be the first pick in the 4th round it's a risk worth taking IMO.

Honestly, I don't have any higher expectations for him than I had for Justyn Ross. Lots of folks here thought Ross was going to make the 53 and be a contributor. I was never in that camp. Both risks were definitely worth taking and any upside from these guys would be all profit.

I think you might be able to get Hughes for a 5th rounder. Hopefully it gets done because he's a perfect fit.

It's not quite as powerful as the AR 47.

And OBJ at best is fully healthy as the playoffs get here. Little time to get on the same page as Mahomes and learn the offense.

I’m not against bringing in someone that talented as a reclamation project. I’m sure they’ve done their homework and feel like he can help us in future years. Also, good potential as a return man.

We have seen New England, Pittsburgh, even Reid’s Eagles serve as a place where strong leadership and a stable culture at the team can help guys like this. The upside is quite high, and if he’s a problem you just write off a compensatory pick.

It’s easy to fall in love with the player from Florida, and I’m sure they wouldn’t have traded for him if they didn’t think he could be that player for us.

That would be fantastic. If they can get Hughes and add a little bit of the speed dimension to their pass rush it would be a huge win.

Looks like he takes his rapping seriously. Giants fans thought he wouldn’t take football as serious as his rap career. I didn’t realize he was a rapper until you posted this video. Here is a tweet from Toney when Giants fans were questioning wether he would give football his top priority.

On Saturday, the 22-year-old Toney, who goes by the stage name “Yung Joka” on the microphone, released his latest video (warning: song is NSFW).

The initial reaction was less than stellar. Giants fans immediately chimed in and questioned Toney’s motivation, they insulted his music video and threw out a series of disparaging comments before a supportive group of Giants fans began to balance things out.

But Toney wasn’t thrilled with the naysayers and was quick to respond.

“Don’t kome over here kommenting on my music, and it ain’t got in to do with you! I been rappin almost 3 years now. You late! Football aint goin nowhere. Ima live my life however i want. Watever is said…i don’t kare!” Toney tweeted. “On god, football is some i do…it don’t make me who I am.”

He's a much better rapper than Sir Bink$

Looking forward to the remix featuring Dwayne Bowe and Tamba Hali.

Andy Reid willingly took on Mike Vick and TO. This is easy compared to those two

Shawn Barber is going to make a dis track about that track

It's not the type of rap music I particularly care for (I prefer stuff that samples funk/soul/jazz), but he does seem to be more talented than the average athlete/rapper.

I'm more of a a Larry Johnson freestyle dissing Carl Peterson on Myspace kind of guy myself but Kadarius got some skills.

He needs to drop the autotune and become a drill rapper.

Peters got a couple of good years out of him and traded him for picks.

Hunt was a third round pick? Played great.

Kelce future HOF.

Hill was a 5 round? Played great and KC traded for lots of picks.

Not seeing what's not to like here.

he is kind of a less polished Justin Jefferson with head issues.

Someone made a Percy Harvin comp and i think that's a pretty good comp.

I'm thinking his motivational problems have now been cleared up. :thumb:

What? No it isn't. Both of those guys were incredibly passionate about football. Complete assholes in their own respective ways, yes, but still incredibly passionate.

Just curious how you know this kid isn't passionate about football. Maybe NY is just a dumpster and he never wanted to be there....like Elway, Manning, or any free agent. You have no idea what the issue is with him, but he's already said he isn't really injured. Sounds like the Vick/TO thing is a possible comparison. It might not be, but your smug response is a joke.

Just gonna throw this thought out there. It is September of 2025. Kadarious Toney has turned into an All-Pro receiver and one of the most dynamic playmakers in the league. A 35 year old Travis Kelce is still playing at an All-Pro level and his chemistry with Mahomes has jumped to an even higher level. A 31 year old Tyreek Hill has made his money during his run with the Dolphins and wants to finish his career and retire a Chief in Kansas City on a team friendly deal. Dream it come true!

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LMAO Yeah, let's just completely ignore the issues he's had both in college and the NFL when it comes to off the field work and practices, multiple scouts noting their concern that football isn't his main priority, amd the fact he's outright said it multiple times in comments on his rap video and tweets.

OP says conditional 3rd and 6th, brah.

And that's already been cleared up.

You can tell he wasn't a English major at Florida at least.

You can't Belize everything you read on Chiefs Planet

A passionate football guy isn't choosing to fake being injured just to get out of football especially if the team he's on is 5-1 and in desperate need of a good WR. This isn't a case where he's been great so he's holding out for money. He was just holding out just because.

I don't know how you can type "he's already said he's not really injured" and red flag alarms don't go off in your head.

So yeah while the talent is worth taking the chance on, you can't just ignore everything that surrounds it.

Link?

Jesus dude, read the thread or Google yourself

Edit: if you're not going to trust people

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If this dude makes one single huge play during a playoff run this year that leads to a Super Bowl the 3rd rounder given up is worth it. Anything more during the rest of his rookie contract is gravy. Pure gravy. Not crazy to think the upside of this trade with a player with his ability could become elite playing with Reid/Mahomes.

I'm the captain of ignoring what stupid shit a player does as long as he's productive and isn't causing a rift in the locker room.

Like I said, it's all up to him now. He has the talent and the environment to be a great WR. What he does with that is on him.

At the very least he should be an immediate boon just by getting Skyy off punt return duty, and if that doesn't happen and Toney is capable and healthy Toub needs to get the **** out.

The long lost cousin of the AR 47

ROFL
Dave Toub has been the best ST over the last 13 years or more, there's no reason or chance Toub goes anywhere unless he wants to go.

I never took Vick as an asshole. He just liked to fight dogs so he had some questionable morals. He wasn't a complete shit teammate just not a great one.

I’ve been told that the current Giants’ front office did not draft him. Even with that, getting a low 3 & 6 for an overall #20 with that kind of talent must be a huge bite in the ass for the Giants’ organization. Throw in the rookie contract and this trade has the potential of being pretty awesome.

LMAOROFLLMAOROFLLMAO Based on what, exactly? Because we've had some spectacular gaffes with our special teams in recent years.

Remember the gap between the long snapper and right guard that would constantly get exploited for blocked punts? Pepperidge Farm remembers, especially since it happened in the playoffs, TWICE.

Remember the constant flags on our return units for stupid ass shit like blocks in the back and holds? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Remember the fact that we constantly have to keep one or two roster spots open exclusively for special teams JAGs that contribute literally nothing else at a to the team? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Remember constantly trotting out Skyy Moore to field punts even though he's shown some incredibly poor habits dating back to preseason that ultimately led to us actually losing a game? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

Uhh, yeah, that whole dogfighting bit kind of makes him an asshole.

I mean…. Except for Suh who would cost zero picks. And a pro rated salary for this season.

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I believe almost all teams do this. guys who play specials well are very important.

Being an asshole or not is how you treat other people.

Not that I necessarily agree with it but Toub is consistently among the highest rated ST coaches in the league by most of the advanced metrics. I will see if I can find the article.

And again im not saying I agree but Megatron didn’t just pull it out of his ass.

Probably because Butker is incredibly good at his job and our coverage units are typically well disciplined. But that still doesn't excuse some of that bullshit up above that goes on under his watch.

Quinn has been shit this year.

Based on Football Outsiders' and ESPN's analysts' opinions. Based on his record. Sure, his teams have made mistakes; name one ST group that hasn't made a few every season. But Toub has consistently coached up his STs to be among the best in the NFL year after year. This isn't hyperbole, just google Dave Toub record or ranking or whatever. It's all there in black and white.

"Toub joined the Chicago Bears coaching staff on January 24, 2004, as the special teams coordinator. On February 27, 2007, Toub signed a three-year extension with the Bears, keeping him under contract through the 2009 season. The Bears' special teams unit was highly successful in 2006; kicker Robbie Gould, return specialist Devin Hester, and gunner Brendon Ayanbadejo were voted to the 2007 Pro Bowl. On April 5, 2007, Toub was voted special teams coach of the year by his peers.[3] His special teams unit was ranked at the top of the league for the 2006 and 2007 seasons.[4] For the last eight years, the Bears special teams have been in the top three, and was ranked third by rankings performed by the Dallas Morning News.[5] In 2008 he was elected to the USA Today All-Joe team."

Links to articles that declare Dave Toub as the GOAT of ST coaches:
https://ontapsportsnet.com/bears/dav...ms-coordinator

https://arrowheadaddict.com/2017/06/...ave-toub-goat/

https://www.aol.com/news/mt-rushmore...142708749.html


Apparently, you should stop listening to Pepperidge Farms and start reading actual NFL analysts' opinions, bud.

Spill it…. Please kind sir…

I hope the chiefs planet salary cap worry warts will not have trauma from the last 4 letters in his name being the same last 4 as money.

LMAO Jesus ****ing Christ, could you post some escalades from the 2010s at least?

Rumor is that the Giants are looking for a WR now and they are particularly interested in Jeudy.

So they traded away the mystery box that has potential but could be nothing but shit and are now going after the guaranteed box of shit? Smart move.

I don't think you can give players all the credit for the good coaches all the blame for the bad.

I will say Butker was an amazing find. He’s a top 3 kicker statistically.

And Townsend has been an elite punter this year both statistically and in the eye test.

He has more value than you give him

Daboll and Jeudy have a history at Alabama.

Then he should know the dude has greased bricks for hands.

I remember there are quite a few assholes around here that do not know shit about tackle football as it is played in the National Football League but I get them confused and cannot tell them apart.

How about you post the plus minus of special teams scoreboard points of Chiefs since 2013 compared to every other team in the league?

The word you're looking for is "accolades,' hun. "Escalade," is the act of scaling defensive walls or ramparts with the aid of ladders.

And you might try working on your reading comprehension. That first linked article is from earlier this year. The second is from 2018.

Aww, come on, that's an old CP Lexicon word.

Edit: based on this spectacular quote by Jamaal Charles
"I'm just continuing to play football and I'm very blessed to get all the Escalades." -- Jamaal Charles

Blowmo big mad. Toney would be the best receiver on his team. Instead of trading FOR players, your team is having a fire sale because they suck, and gave away a buttload of picks for a washed midget. Now instead of having some mediocre to ok skill positions, you will have no good weapons, and an albatross of a contract for an over the hill fat ass quarterback. This is what has happened to your shitty franchise since HGH Head left. And there’s many more years of suck on deck. What’s your parents number? I want them to make sure to take all sharp objects out of your room.

I could do that, but I'm much more interested in whether Dave Toub pays his state and local taxes. Care to fill us in?

Ah, like "and your an idiot," or "your a genious." Got it. Still haven't read the whole CP lexicon thing.

Maybe he was referring to the Cadillac?

at this stage players from the Broncos’ offense should qualify as refugees and be free to resettle on another team.

And yes. I'm being an obstinate assclown. Even though I think he's a tad overrated due to having guys like Hester and Hill on his return units, he still got incredibly good results from some JAG ass mother****ers. But God damn does he do some infuriating shit at times.

It’s a quote from noted lexicographer Jamaal Charles

Noob

Well of course his best production should come after this season LMAO

Watch any primetime game that doesn't include either the Chiefs or the Ravens and tell me honestly that you'd rather have ANY of those ST coaches on this staff.

Dave is the GOAT, and everyone in the NFL knows it. Mistakes happen, but I guarantee you that Toub's successes far outweigh his mistakes. Stop screaming at clouds.

Kind of hard to just leave it at that when Skyy Moore is STILL ****ing up punt returns. Sincerely hope that last gaffe was the end of it and we move on to Hardman or Toney going forward.

Charvarious, Thakarius, L’Jarius, Kadarius

I think Brettarius V’each has a type.

I like it. Medium low risk/extremely high reward bet.

Two. Don't make it out like he's muffed a dozen returns. he's effed up two. And this coaching staff as a whole is all about second chances. When a player effs up, they almost immediately go back to the guy to give him a chance to prove himself. Hell, every KC fan in the bar I was watching the game at knew he was going to get another chance.

However, it's pretty obvious Moore isn't comfortable as a returner, or at least his technique/mechanics are really raw. Maybe they can coach him up to be a returner, but right now he's a liability there.

Hopefully it works out. At least he's not expensive.