The Browns care about winning: See: All their moves since Dorsey took over.

The NFL cares about money. Why should the NFL care about the "morally right thing", whatever that is in this case.

What do you want the Chiefs to care about?

Hm, wonder why

Would you have used that same argument if Hill got suspended? That he would be fresh at the end of the season?

And again why did the browns have to be punished?

ROFL

A running back in a fully stacked West coast offense with the league MVP at quarterback?
Of course they viewed him as replaceable and rightly so.

I think Hill should have been suspended a few games.

Why should the Browns be punished? Because they went out of their way to sign a thug. Chiefs did the right thing in that situation and the NFL didn't send the right message to the rest of the teams.

The only reason why anyone wants to see Cleveland punished is because they believe Kareem Hunt is going to be awesome when he comes back. If this were Knile Davis, you wouldn't give two shits.

Hunt is a great player. It’s a shame he can’t grow up off the field.

Hunt and Thompson would have been an amazing combo of backs.

You know, I can’t help to think about this current Chiefs team with Kareem Hunt and Marcus Peters on it.

This team desperately needs a top corner that can take the ball away.

Oh well

Hunt yes, Peters no.

Peters visibly quit on plays, sold out for turnovers while letting ball carriers drag him 7 or 8 yards. He refused to hit and has clearly shown in LA that he is incapable of playing in various roles around the defense.

He's good at one thing: Playing on one side of the field and trying to jump routes. It's incredibly valuable when it works. When it doesn't he is a massive liability. There's a reason he wasn't in the top 100 players. The league found him out.

LMAO LMAO I've trolled as someone like you before. Never thought I'd see that troll come to life and be serious

Based on?

Makes me lol reading posts from the homers defending the ridiculous move to release Kareem Hunt. Let me guess you all think Kareem is a scumbag because of this minor incident? What a joke...

Do you plan to punish every team that signs a "thug"? Who is defining "thug" in this situation? You?

His fault. He shouldn't have lied to the team. Add that to the fact that his production was so easily replaced....

I know some think that Reid made the decision to cut Kareem Hunt, but I truly believe it was Clark's decision. I think that Veach and Reid liked Kareem, and knew how popular he was with his teammates. I don't think they were happy with what Kareem did, or how he handled it, but Reid has shown that he sees players as more than just on the field assets, and makes a positive impact on their lives by accepting that they make mistakes and by trying to help them correct those mistakes and become better people.

I think Reid would have made the effort to try and do the same with Kareem, but Clark Hunt is never going to let a player lie to him in a situation like this and let it slide.

Clark Hunt does not seem to have much of a personality, and seems to be freshly awakened from a coma every time he gives an interview, but I have always viewed him as a man of integrity, much like his father. I believe he places a high value on integrity, and Kareem lying about the situation was always going to end with the Chiefs cutting him. Even if he never spoke directly to Clark (I think he did) lying to Veach and Reid is lying to Clark. Clark may have even repeated Kareem's side of the story to NFL officials, and making Clark seem like a liar may have added to his nearly immediate release.

I think Kareem Hunt has some of the best hips, and some of the best balance, of any RB since Barry Sanders, and I hated losing him, but I was over it when we notched our first W without him. I don't care what he does, or how the Browns handle his ongoing behavior. He isn't a Kansas City Chief.

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Chiefs homer good God grow up he lied to his boss and was fired just as you would be.

Would it be a minor incident if you had a sister or even your mother and someone kicked her?

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Bullshit. Only reason you are saying this is because it doesn't hurt us too much because we have Reid and Mahomes. If this was Mahomes or Kelce that did what Kareem did you wouldn't want him released and you'd be outraged if it happened and you know that...

If what I read is true and she was constantly calling him a ****er while provoking him then I wouldn't give a shit if she got kicked the way she did. It wasn't like the girl had broken ribs or a huge black eye or something like that.

Buddy, I don't think the conversation is about whether people wanted Hunt released or not. Rather, it's about whether it was justified given the circumstances. And I lean on the side of thinking that it was.

I would feel no different had the player been Kelce. (Don't you dare make me think of Mahomes in this situation!!)

In a perfect world, Hunt would have told the team what he did from the beginning, would have been suspended by the league early last season and finished the year strong in KC including the playoff run.

That's what I wish had happened.

But he lied.

FYP to correct overly charitable passive voice. ;)

I kinda think "but he lied" took care of that, but sure...

Ignore me, I just get persnickety about the passive voice. :thumb:

Interesting hill to pick. I respect your dedication.

Personally, I think Hunt might be one of those blackout drunks who doesn't remember what he did the next day.

Those guys are like liquor-fueled automatons or something. After they achieve a certain blood alcohol level, they no longer have higher brain function, just sheer id and physicality.

Or maybe he's just genetically pre-disposed to be a dumbass.

Either way, he's Dorsey's problem now ... again.

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Not knocking you personally, it's just so often a way for conversations to actively avoid clear declarations, and tends to intone some kind of cosmic force directing people's actions.

Ex - It's not 'he raped her,' it's 'the genitals of the parties were intertwined prior to negotiation' It's not 'he shot him,' it's 'a projectile was propelled into decedent's chest cavity.'

No worries though.

In that case, I'm going on a "fewer/less" jihad.

We had to move on anyway. Yeah, ideally he doesn't kick the woman, get put on commissioner's exempt for the entire rest of the season, and then get 8 games tacked on to begin this season. Ideally he plays the rest of last year, all of this year, and then the next. But he did what he did, and then he got suspended. That means we had to find a suitable replacement during that time anyway. And if we were going to do it for that long, we may as well count on that being our solution for the immediate future, because we ain't keeping Hunt past his rookie deal. I get that's an entire extra year we're then missing out on, but sometimes it's just better to move on early than deal with the enormous headache he would have been.

We're better off in the long run.

How are we better off? Williams was already his backup. Hunt would currently be stashed and we would have likely drafted a back in the 5th with Hunt out for half the season.

What would actually be different, other than we would have had one more option available to us after week 8 or so? Perhaps we wouldn't have signed Carlos Hyde?

We likely wouldn't have drafted Darwin Thompson.

At worst, we're where we would have been if we kept him.

Well, except, we'd have a league-leading rusher coming in fresh after week 8 or so, ready to pound the **** out of defenses for absolutely zero cost. I mean, we'd have that.

(I DO love Darwin, BTW, and think we would have still drafted him and would NOT have signed Carlos Hyde).

I'll take what we have. Like the numbers show, the drop off from Hunt to Williams wasn't much of a drop off if at all. So yeah I'll take Williams and Darwin and maybe Hyde for 16 games over Williams for 8 and Hunt for the last 8.

There weren't many backs like Darwin in this draft. And it's always tough to count on what other teams are going to do. For all the Chiefs knew back when free agency started, some random team could have valued him several rounds higher than we did and stolen him long before the Chiefs thought about pulling the trigger.

I'm glad it worked out the way it did, but signing Hyde was a responsible move. We did not want to get caught with our pants down, depending Darrell Williams and a bag of dicks in case Damien Williams got hurt.

Serious Q. Do you find the lying to the face of the brass of the organization about matters you did that are presently vital to the health of the organization COMPLETELY irrelevant?

I know you posited this hypothetical that Mahomes could do it. But the utility of this hypothetical is essentially nil, premised on the fairly solid notion that Mahomes NEVER WOULD do it, . . . which is a not-insignificant portion of his value to the organization.

Do you think the business world is just chock full of people who lie to their bosses about conduct detrimental to organizational health?

Hunt was made the example and I am thinking what happened to him is one reason why Tyreek is still on this team.

You’ve nailed it here. :clap:

I don’t know what world some of you live and work in where you can outright lie to your boss about something that directly affects his livelihood and think that it shouldn’t have some major repercussions. And if you were on the opposite end and had an employee who had Kareem’s consistent run-ins and then lied about it, would you really just write it off?

Putting all of that to the side:
Some seem to ignore that keeping Kareem would’ve likely brought all of the Tyreek Hill backstory back to the forefront as the Chiefs would’ve been labeled the NFL’s domestic abuse misfits. And then when Hill had his own vignette this offseason, the likelihood of our having stood by him would’ve been nil.

Regurgitating this discussion is so unnecessary.

This is worse than any Alex Smith discussion. Ever.

I hear what you’re saying regarding production, but I wonder how much he actually impacted wins and losses (again, see: Any Broncos game).

Chiefs were, what, 9-1 with Hunt? How about without him?

It clearly wouldn’t have mattered last year, because he was out either way. I simply hope it doesn’t matter this year, either.

Who gives a ****ing shit?

The loss of Watkins impacted the team more than the loss of Hunt.

This.

The only thing with Hunt was the team clearly loved him and his clubhouse presence, so on a personal level it seemed to mess with them.

But from a performance POV - clearly they missed Watkins more.

Which argues the point. Should we re sign Watkins?

Let's see how this year goes. If he balls out then keep him one more year. If not let him go or maybe he takes a pay cut.

Chiefs are in the driver's seat - good contract.

Oh do you mean after the 2020 season - if he keeps balling out? No, I'd assume we let him go at that point unless he's stayed healthy for 2 full seasons and Tyreek hasn't been extended for some reason.

Pretty much this. It doesn't seem that the Chiefs have ever viewed KC as a long-term home for Watkins. And if they can continue to develop cheap, young, high-quality talent, then what's the point?

I think the point is, if he, alone, is what caused us to slip to 3-3, we, evidently, need him.

Needed him. We needed him then, but in the future, anticipating the end of his contract, the Chiefs would surely find/groom a replacement.

I keep coming in here expecting to hear that Hunt screwed up again, and will miss the entire season.

but alas, it's just groundhog day over and over again.

Lol same here.

Would agree. But the loss of Hunt did have an impact. Hunt was almost like a wr in the spread formation. Also has a little more power then Williams.

Too many other guys will need to be paid. So no.

Kareem Hunt did not have anywhere near the impact of the Broncos game that Mahomes did.

Left handed 3rd down conversion, cross field pass to Kelce, running TD. Did you watch that game? Pat converted 2nd and 30. Second and mother****ing THIRTY!

Hunt had some nice receiving gains, but Williams and Thompson can replicate that.

Pat won us that game. Hunt didn’t have that much to do with it

I did watch it. A couple times. 19/121/1. Pat was great, but so was Hunt.

It appears you might be trying to overextend a bit to make a point with a line like "Hunt didn’t have that much to do with it." He clearly did.

The biggest thing he brought is teams had concern for what he could do, right now defenses don't give a rats ass about our RB position.

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This dude Baker really just needs to stfu at this point. He’s basically doing the same shit he accused Cowherd of.

So glad we have someone like Mahomes and thus don't need to endlessly debate the pros and cons of having a talented but arrogant and supremely obnoxious QB.

BM(I think his initials are appropriate for his personality) is a Grade A+ douche.
He wanted to play for UT, wasn't recruited by them.
Wanted to go to TCU next, but Gary Patterson wanted nothing to do with BM or his dad and has publicly stated that.
Walked on at Tech. Had so many turnovers, his nickname was Mayfumble. Quit on his team at Texas Tech when he wasn't named starter for the bowl game. (even admitted later he had started thinking of transferring in October of that football season)
Basically trashes everyone associated with any team he felt "did him wrong" and yet ends up a media darling.
Crazy world

Hunt playing with the Browns first team tonight.

The Chute Pickles first-team offense isn't sending the ladies into a swoon tonight.

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Hunt with 5 carries for about 11 yards or something like that.

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Mr. Tremendous is somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 for 17 for 50 yards. Midway through the 2nd.

Of course, their star wideouts aren't playing. Unquestionably, that should be taken into account.

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Shocker: Demetrius Harris with a drop in the endzone.

Bucks d-line expressing their inner Neanderthal.

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An observation regarding the Chute Pickles' wide receivers in this game;

Coming off the ball, they are often not juking the defender. For example, no effort is made to threaten an outside move on the slant or crosser. They just plant and go. One move only. This makes the Bucks defenders look a little better than they probably are.

We are spoiled at this point.

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Good grief. He knew he got in trouble for something that would jeopardize his career but also cause a distraction to his team. Not only did he lie about it. He went out drinking again and again, and got in fights again and again. So then he goes on this apology tour where he has this sob story to espn about how he's trying. Dorsey gives him one hell of a second chance. And he goes out drinking and gets into something AGAIN.

Stop with this minor incident bullshit. Not only did kareem lie, he is a ticking time bomb because he refuses to make changes. Regardless of what you think of tyreek, at least he has been sincere and making an effort. Trouble came to in. Kareem on the other hand creates trouble.

By cutting kareem, we lose a starting rb for 8 games and one playoff run. Because we probably wouldn't sign a big rb contract after the big mahomes contract, let alone one who can't be trusted to stay out of trouble.

And cutting kareem saved the NFL and media from doing something far worse to the Chiefs on tyreek.

So yeah, I've moved on.

It's amazing, isn't it? People are so willing to ignore not only the first, but 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and even SIXTH incident.

It's because he's good, if you are really good people have different standards for you.

Actually, given who is constantly defending him, I'm going to suggest you look at his skin color. I know it sounds ridiculous but I'm absolutely serious.

Pitt Gorilla is black?

Never said that.

And for the record, I have no idea what color of skin PAChiefsGuy has either. It isn't even relevant.

He is sorry he got caught

Ok I was just confused about your point, not that I disagree.

So he had surgery as well, which puts him out to week 10 at the earliest. He's gonna be a non-factor this year regardless of where he is playing.

It was going to be week 10 anyway.

I had moved on, but now having trouble staying that way, since Ive seen him in a Browns uniform. However, your reasoning is a good way to look at it.

Sure, but now he's got rehab, retraining etc. I suppose it's possible he'll be fine, but you never know...

He’s back!

Will you be monitoring his career with the Browns?

Unless he plays QB instead of Baker Mayfield probably not.

Definitely will. He was my favorite player when he was here. Wish him nothing but the best.

Exactly...