Seems like a lot of people think Hitchens would be the MLB.

I get it because the SLB in a 4-3 under is more like a 3-4 OLB. If they put Houston there, DOD at WLB and Hitchen at MLB that would make sense.

Encouraging, Interesting that he thinks Ragland would be fine in the scheme. Most here don't.

You'd be better off with Houston playing end....

A lot of chicken littles here.

Remember that we don't need to be great on defense, just average, in order to win a Super Bowl.

Spagnuolo is a veteran coordinator who knows what he's doing. He'll get this shit done.

Hitchens would be a liability in the middle, I think.

No, Matt House needs to stay at Kentucky and continue to do awesome things with Mark Stoops.

We might as well cue up the inevitable term Spaggots (for people who support Spagnuolo when the defense sucks) and add it to Chiefsplanet lexicon.

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SS is the perfect guy to keep DF behind the line of scrimmage! :thumb:

I can think of a few Spaggots on this board already.

About a week too late.

Didn't read all 44 pages so can someone explain to me why this is a good thing? Another Andy Reid yes man? Been sitting at home for a year because he's so good?

I guess I'm still upset that Andy and company didn't have the Chiefs ready for the Patriots.

It's not good. Spags sucks spaggot donkey balls. He's a pile of hot, steaming garbage on top of hot, steaming dogshit. Topped with ebolAIDS-filled antifreeze.

I have no confidence that he can do any improvements through scheme, we'd better get some top-end talent and hope that The Big Spaggot can get them all on the same page.

I admittedly dont know much about his defense.

What is his philosophy with the secondary? Will this team be playing alot of zone? Will they be pressing up in man? Are they going to be giving a 10 yard cushion on 3rd and 5?

Is it a gang tackle type of defense, or is every man responsible to make the tackle on their own like in suttons shitty scheme.

Im not thrilled with this hire, going strictly by numbers provided. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt based on a sort of “victim of circumstance” in his past dealings. This defense needed a change and they certainly got it. I hope the year off provided him a new energy and spark.

We have the draft. We have FA. We have a few players who may well be ascending and a couple who are already pretty darn good.

Wally doesn't need a world-beater. He needs somebody who can command respect among the players, will be hands-on, and can gameplan for the AFCW and a few other teams (including the Cheaters). That's all he needs.

This isn't a sexy hire, but it doesn't need to be. Wally isn't going to jeopardize this opportunity.

FAX

I want to be wrong here, but I feel like this is a lateral move. I want to be wrong, but damn this is disappointing. Just a hire of a guy Reid is comfortable with, that really doesn't seem to have a lot on the resume of keeping defenses good, nor much ability in turning bad defenses around.

This is Andy's last, best chance to win a Super Bowl. If he screwed up this hiring, he deserves to be fired. The Chiefs have a window to make an enormous amount of money and win an incredible number of games with Mahomes. If Reid hired the wrong DC, it is an unforgivable blunder. I really like Reid, but this hire is everything. He has to get this one right.

People keep saying that but Houston, Berry, dj, Hali could never stay on the field. He was constantly shuffling chairs at cb, lb, safety. Suttons scheme succeeded because at the time it was well suited for the NFL. Then the pick play happened. Then tightened rules on pass interference. Sutton tried to adjust to the new nfl and flat out couldn't. By the end it was clear he had no idea what he was doing. He had one ace up his sleeve and God help us if that didn't work. Sutton with talent wasn't going to make the team average. He had zero confidence in his scheme and the players knew it.

What I feel good about is that spagnuolo can flat out coach DB's. We'll improve there. Our D will play with heart they haven't had in years. Our scheme may not be perfect but it's fine for today's nfl. Is that good enough for top 20-25? I feel good about that.

Here's the other question... Is it that spagnuolo needs a ton of talent to be top 20? Or does he just need reasonable time and a good head coach who can put together a stable locker room.

One upside is he's a cover 3 guy and not a cover 2 guy so that should make it where there aren't huge holes in the middle of the field.

Maybe this has been asked, but I’ve had a hard time keeping up with every page...Do you think he will bring in a whole new staff, or does everyone get to keep their job on the shitty defensive staff?

My own personal opinion is that there is zero reason to keep the DB coaches. There was so much confusion and breakdowns in coverage. How does some of that responsibility not fall on the position coaches?

If they switch to a 4-3 you would expect a change in LB coaches and DL coaches, but I doubt Andy fires his son.

DB coaches for SURE. I'm sure Britt stays around in some capacity, but Andy can find something for him to do.

Mike Smith might be worth keeping around at a position group, he's done DL and OLB'ers.

My hope is that he cleans house, but we'll have to see who's available. This is where your 'bright young minds' come into play, although they won't yet be the well known Richards and Hewitts.

The Chiefs are in a tough spot on defense.

Despite being 100% outcoached by the Pats on all sides of the ball in the first half of the AFCG, the Chiefs were (choose your poison) an offsides, or a 3rd down conversion, or a Mahomes pass to Williams,or play the safeties up 5 yards away from the Super Bowl.

If you are that close, do you really blow up the D and change schemes? Or, is it better to just tweak the 3-4?

Seriously? You can’t judge the defense by a couple of what ifs. They ****ing sucked all season, or every playoff game in past 5 years, except for the Colts, I don’t know how that rabbit got pulled out. Blow it up

Did they suck because it was a 3-4? Or, did they suck because they spent half the season with Parker and Scandrick? Or, because Sutton wasn't aggressive? Or, because Sutton still had the safeties playing back in a Tampa 2 shell and even though Brady kept going back to the same hole in the middle play after play after play?

Some of you talk about moving from a 3-4 to a 4-3 like it’s 10 years ago. We will be in nickel much more often than we will be in “base”.

This isn’t going to be as drastic as you think in that sense. Also, several of our guys will benefit from the move as they’re better fits in a 4-3.

Fair point. If it were just the Pats game and his six year regular season run, maybe you keep him. But so many bad playoff performances, Sutton had to GTFO. The thing about it that's tough to swallow is that he should have been fired last year after that playoff debacle.

Don't know enough about him, I'll reserve judgment (for now).

Some of you guys are overthinking this. Again, this change was s much less about schemes and more so about how will Spags develop, game plan, adjust mid game, and push players to play with intensity. That’s where we need change most. Scheme is irrelevant because we didn’t do most of those things listed above ever under Sutton the past couple years.

Can Tom Coughlin join him and take over HC duties on AFC Championship games against the Patriots?

Yea because Reid is why we lost to the Pats :facepalm:

My comment has more to do with Tom Coughlin beating the Patriots twice in the Super Bowl with Steve Spagnoulo as DC but really there is blame at Andy Reids feet for this loss the game plan in the first half didn't deliver. A lot of blame can go around and no way should Reid be exempt from any of the blame.

Again Spags has nothing is his career to make you think he can do this on anything remotely close to a consistent basis

Not this stupid "play with intensity" and "bring an attitude" bullshit.

Reminds me of Gunther fans pimping that bloviating jackass.

The offense certainly didn't help the defense in the first half.

First drive -11 yards and only 2:22 off the clock.
2nd drive 3 and out 1:40 of the clock killed.
3rd drive 7 plays and a punt.

The D was on its heels from the get go but the offense certainly didn't help them get a breather in the first 30 minutes.

Not the sole reason but there’s a few slices of “why we lost pie” on Andy’s plate

1. Gives Pats the ball first in a game everyone knew would be a shootout and with him knowing how important it is for the Chiefs to play with a lead.


2. His TO before the half plays right into Belichik and Brady’s strength and sets the tone to be down 14-0

3. No adjustments to get Tyreek the ball

4. Keeps Bob Sutton after 2017 season.

Yet we were still in position to win the game. Reid has consistently put up 30+ pts against the Pats. That’s about as much as you can ask for.

There are several reasons why we lost that game, but Reid isn’t one of them.

This isn't a terrible point, but...

The NFL runs in cycles.
What did the Patriots just start using the past few weeks to dominate defenses built to defend the spread?
21 and 22 personnel.
If you don't think that is going to catch back on in the next few years, I'd say you were being myopic. It was going to come back around anyway, but the success the Pats had with it in the stretch run I think will amplify and speed up that process.

1. Bullshit. That worked for us all year long. It’s what we do. If we come out and get a stop you aren’t saying this.

2. Yes this was probably his one mistake. I still put that TD on Nelson though.

3. We scored 31 pts in the second half. I’d say his adjustments were fine.

4. This is true but it doesn’t have anything to do with that game. We should’ve won with or without Sutton.

Or guys bragging about QBR. Or posters disappearing like Alex Smith during stretch’s of the season. Those folks are squawking the loudest right now.

Yeah it's a shit hire our hope is this the offense makes top 10 history and the defense is ranked somewhere between 15-20th.

Yea that’s horseshit what we really need is a great defensive mind like John Pagano

LMAO

(Not saying I don’t agree with your general point I just can’t get over Spags being called an “atrocious” hire by the guy that would’ve been happy with John ****ing Pagano.)

Penalties have been a problem all season and what happens in the biggest moment that can clinch the game for us is neutral zone infraction. Bullshit there has to be some blame on Coach Reid he is the Head Coach if he can't take the blame for any of it then he shouldn't coach.

I cant believe all the damn pearl clutching going in here. WTF? arguing about a 3-4/4-3 defense. Have you guys been paying attention to the defensive trends in football? Defenses are playing both,sometimes within the same play. Lining up as 3-4 going to a 4-3 on snap etc. QB's like Mahomes/Brady will burn the same defense if you keep throwing it at them.


AND some of you seem to not be aware that we don't need a top 10 defense. Just a middle of the pack defense. Spags can get that done. We need to blitz these great QB's. Thats been Spags MO forever.


AND stop the whaling about YOUR pick would have been better. Reid works with who he's comfortable with. Reid's main job is to coach up Mahomes. He's going to get the MVP in his first year as a starter. Reid is excelling at his most important job. He gets to chose his coaches. Just keep repeating..... we only need a middle of the pack defense.....we only need a middle of the pack defense....

So Reid needs to constantly remind his players not to line up offsides? You’re an idiot if you want to blame that on Reid, sorry.

Spagnuolo has done nothing for almost ten years. I'll take an average DC over that every time

The offense coming out completely unprepared is a contributing reason to why they lost the game.

Chicken or the egg. I disagree. The defense didn't give the offense enough opportunities because they could not get off the field. TOP was totally in NE's favor. Mahomes had to sit cold on the bench most of the first half. The NE defensive scheme was good, but it was only a matter of time before the Chiefs' offense found its rhythm. And it did. A couple of more opportunities for the offense in the first half and the outcome would have been different. Blame the defense on this loss. Dee Ford gets extra helpings.

It would be so dope if Spags wore yellow sunglasses and cussed at his players

You’re an idiot. He had a very good defense two years ago. When’s the last time Pagano had one?

John Pagano LMAO

Seriously, why the **** do you get so much respect on this board? You don’t know shit. You’re an arrogant condescending moron.

What people are saying is they are tired of a bend but don’t break reactionary defense.

I want these guys attacking and trying to dictate the game.

So is it Reid’s fault that Mahomes missed a wide open Williams in the end zone? Or took a sack that’s put us out of FG range?

Because the first half would’ve been irrelevant if we just got some points.

Andy Reid is known for his first 15 scripted plays. KC had success with it all year. NE shut them down. First two drives killed no time and had negative yards. That's on the offense. KC taking itself out of field goal range in the first half - on the offense. All year long everyone knew the O had to carry the D and they didn't help one damn bit for the first 30 minutes.

I don't talk about how Steven Nelson is a good CB
I don't make up shit and then deflect when called on it
I don't pimp Adam Gase as a QB guru
I don't ignore 90 percent of someone's points and take the other ten percent wildly out of context.

Go look up the average rankings of their last five defenses.

The top 4 offenses made it to their respective title games. Defenses aren't going to dictate shit in the new NFL. There's a method to the madness that is bend but don't break.

He had a good defense because the Giants spent 200 million on defense in one off season

Yet put up 31 points in the second half and had the lead late in the game, but the defense couldn’t hold on.

1. Absolutely not. I thought it was the wrong decision at the time. You can’t just do what you’ve done all year against NE in the CCG. You have to take risks and roll the dice. Letting Pat sit on the bench for 8 minutes to start the game was brutal. Only way to 100% avoid that was to give him the ball. Chiefs are built to play with a lead.

2. **** Nelson

3. Most dynamic player in football got one touch. That’s s massive fail regardless of how many points were scored.

4. This one was mostly tongue in cheek on my part.

Book mark this thread everyone

I think I'm just going to block bleeding red. So much stupid. Nasty little negative Nancy won't listen to any evidence, just keeps plowing on with his bullshit take. You must be a lot of fun to be around.

Tell me how this works. The defense lets Brady march up and down the field and it's Sutton's fault for playing the Tampa 2 and not being aggressive off the line. Coaching bears a large portion of responsibility.

But, when the OL can't pass protect and pick up a stunt and Mahomes is under pressure it has nothing to do with coaching?

His last seven defences averaged 25th.

Hey staylor, what were Pagano's averages?

We ran on first and second downs that is uncharacteristic for this team. It's like he wanted to copy cat BB game plan for running the ball. Patrick never got into a rhythm and it showed. Should have gone out the gates firing on all cylinders. We beat the Patriots 31-17 in the second half but we lost it in the first half out coached.


Andy Reid has a track record in Philly to lose NFC championships he has to absorb some of the blame. There is not a coach in any sport that can't absorb some blame when their team loses.

Do it pussy

Jesus, you'd think that half of Chiefsplanet is going to kill themselves after this hire. Calm down. Its not a sexy or fantastic hire, but he will be far better than Sutton. He will be more aggressive and may get beat over the top some.. so what?

As long as we aren't going to run Suttons 2-gap system; I'll be happy. Let Jones, and the other lineman have one gap and attack it.

Spags is known to bring blitz's from any direction at anytime. I can't recall ever seeing Sutton run a well executed blitz. I'm sure he did, but not often enough for it to register.

again, relax; lets see what pans out.

1. I didn’t call Nelson a good CB. I said he doesn’t suck, and regardless of what CP thinks he’s about to get paid. He played on an island all year long when he shouldn’t have and he still had a pretty good completion % and QBR when throwing his way. He was the most targeted corner in the league, so of course he was going to get beat. If I thought Nelson were good, I’d want to re-sign him.

2. I never once called Adam Gase a QB guru. I just said he got a raw deal in Miami while you continue to ignore context like you do every single time. His QB only playing in 50% of the games means absolutely nothing to you because you’re an idiot.

3. What 90% am I ignoring? Do you still think Kris Richard was an option dumbass?

Part of the reason the defense couldn't hold is because the number of snaps they played. Part, not the entire and maybe not the majority, of the reason why they were on the field so much was because the offense couldn't stay on the field in the first half. 2:22 first drive and 1:40 the second drive.

It's not a far better than Sutton.

Oh that’s why they were on the field so much? Because they were tired and the offense sucked? Funny because they looked tired on the very first ****ing series.

We didn’t jam Edelman at the line one time. We let him have a free release all game.

Pats jamed the **** out of all our guys at the LOS.

People saying Spags HAS been better then Sutton are willfully ignorant because neither stats or eye test back this assertion up at all.

You can HOPE your right, I do too. But I think this is a huge ****ing mistake.

Oh so coaching and adjusting was the problem?

internet tough guy

ROFL

whatever, Nancy.

“I’m going to put BleedRed on ignore”

Do it pussy

Oh just stop it, Nancy. I think my lady friend has some extra tampons, do you need one?

But you sure loved you some Alex Smith. LMAO

Eye test? Did you watch the game mother****er? Guys had no idea what the **** they were doing, we weren’t being aggressive and the gameplan was horrific.

This play alone says it all. Idk how good Spags will be but I know for damn sure he can’t be this bad.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Have you ever seen this many open receivers? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NEvsKC?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NEvsKC</a> <a href="https://t.co/Xq9CfZtYQR">pic.twitter.com/Xq9CfZtYQR</a></p>&mdash; Josh Cohen (@jco3215) <a href="https://twitter.com/jco3215/status/1088166010417491969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 23, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ummm no. I was never a huge Alex fan. Dumbass.

Dude I wanted Sutton gone, but if you think Spags is better than Sutton I’m sorry. Fact, History, and eye test say this is a lateral move.

Off the top of my head it seemed they brought him in motion a lot of the tine