Funny how people bitch about the NFL being politicized, but are perfectly content having a space to spread their hate and conspiracies on a football message board...

Yeah. That Smith shit was bad. But IIRC the mods stepped in on that and did some banning for Smith derailing.

I told that part of the story already. But in no way was CP conceived as a forum that segregates politics from football and other topics.

Oops. Sorry for the thumbs down. I couldn't undo it.

You know, your real motivation here is starting to show through.

Tht happens to me all the time on mobile

Always feel so bad

I know, I was around, added my two cents and voted (all to no a avail) on the issue.

Like I said, we ultimately end up where are now. I just don’t think we hit it before 2020 (because it has been a growing issue) if we don’t segregate. But we’ll never know for certain.

Yeah, the Lounge is to blame for the nonsense going on in DC

Get. The. ****. Outta. Here. With. That. Nonsense.

Things change. Especially when people can't control themselves.

We have quite a few non-Chiefs fans who are valuable contributors. We’ve always welcomed fans from other teams here if they follow the rules.

Cleaning up a message board of people that have no intentions to talk football?

You’re an outlier, my friend.

Not surprising.

There was actually a lot of banning for that issue. I think I wore out a mouse when it was at its peak.

Bingo.

But they’ve been enabled for years, and know the moderation team won’t step in.

I have no self control.
Every mothers last one of you.





















Can kiss my ass. o:-)

Wasn’t trying to be.

I see your point but my suspicions are most of those DC posters are mults of lounge posters.

Am I wrong with this assumption?

Maybe so, but as was expressed... people who post exclusively in DC arent creating problems in the lounge... because they're not in the lounge.

The integration of sports and politics is bigger than a chiefs site sub forum. I'm not sure theres a simple solution, but I'll help find it if I can.

Those who do not learn fro history are bound to repeat it.

Food for thought.

You’re spot on, and it all goes away if you eliminate DC and political talk in The Lounge.

As mentioned, the mult problem on this board makes it murkier than it seems.

Not as much as people think, but with that said, people can run two accounts without be detected, if they know what they're doing. If I catch them doing it, I ban one of them.

Yeah, I've had my suspicions about that.

Chiefs Coalition is pretty much a carbon copy on a smaller scale.

Also as far as I am concerned patteeu is a good dude and good poster.

Truth

For the record, I have two forums I frequent: this one, and a hockey message board.

The hockey board completely bans all political topics. This has been a ****ing godsend in a time like this, IMO. And I’m not a person who just avoids politics; I’m very active in discussions like that. But when I visit my hockey message board, or football message board, I just want these type of discussions to go away. I can’t spend 24/7 thinking about the shit thats happening in this country right now; it’s draining, and tiresome. A place like this is supposed to be an escape from all that. And in the past, even though a lot of y’all are on the opposite end of the spectrum as I am, I’ve been able to completely avoid stuff like that for the most part, and just mingle as a fellow Chiefs fan. It’s getting harder and harder though, as I said, and it sucks because I truly love this forum, especially since I live on the east coast and don’t have any actual Chiefs fan friendship. Hell, I barely know anyone who watches any football, let alone to the level I do.

I know, different forums, different philosophies, different circumstances, etc. And I get that this is something that was borne a long time ago. But I think it may be time to come up with some sort of solution or compromise, because I know I’m not the only person who feels this way.

That’s just my two cents. I know I’m a relative n00b on this forum but like I said I love being here and hate wanting to distance myself. Trying to post in the Chiefs subreddit just depressed the **** out of me because this place is so much better, warts and all.

The segregation thing is water under the bridge. It’s just a reference to the spirit of the board when it was first concieved. I know that’s not going to change.

Now we have extremists trying to jettison the sub-forum altogether and that’s about as unCP as you can get. If Austin was in his grave, god forbid, he’d be rolling. :)

If you don't go to DC how do you know who the regulars are?

You bastard. I was really trying to like you. ;)

I’ve been here 15 years. It’s not difficult to determine.

Like I said, creating the DC forum in the first place was something I would likely not be a part of again. Quite frankly, I can't imagine myself ever being a moderator at a place like this again.

It really doesn't matter what happens, a large segment of the board is going to be pissed about every decision you make.

Not sure how 30-40 people would be a “large segment” but ok.

I don’t think there are many mults in DC. A few people under changed names, but very few using more than one account if any. That’s just speculation on my part.

:LOL:

And for the record, the "spirit of the board" when it was first conceived was "we're not the Star board".

The anything goes model wasn't a rule, it was just something that happened with organic growth.

Kyle never intended for CP to become what it is. We never could have dreamed it would become as popular as it is now.

Those early days most likely weren't sustainable, so while I understand your lament for those early days gone by, the board was always going to change when this many people gather in one place.

Of course but if they only post in DC and are a non-Chief fan they aren't a valuable contributor.

Amen.

30-40 vocal opponents is large enough to cause a lot of problems for mods. That's what I meant by a "large segment".

I’m sorry, but that’s bullshit.

Letting 30-40 out of 10k rule the roost is ridiculous.

Most of the non chief fan exclusives to DC are pure shit posters.

Its addition by subtraction.

Look at like this: 30-40 is relatively a small group of people, but imagine having 30-40 people all pissed off at you in particular, and spamming you with messages, constantly whining etc etc

Pretty taxing really

Or you miserable user their ass and move on.

This really isn’t that difficult, no one has the balls to make the decision.

This is why that thread needed to be booted to DC or Romper Room where it belonged. It was going to be politically charged, even a dead man could have seen it.

There aren't 10K active members here. It's a lot smaller than you think, more like 250-300 maybe less.

40 people is a lot. Furthermore, I never said anything about allowing them to rule the roost.

I said no matter what decision a mod makes, somebody is going to be mad at them. Doesn't mean the mod has to let them win but it's still trying and taxing to have that many people acting like children because they didn't get their way.

I’m with you but I get why it’s a ****ing pain in the ass lol

Like who? And just for fun, choose your example from the members who generally agree with you politically.

That type of moderation isn't popular even if people agree with the sentiment.

Trust me, I've been there. Even some of the most despised posters have had their perceived enemies take their side when it appears they've been a victim of "mod abuse".

MU is not a choice at this point unfortunately, it went away. Forced Lurkers however, is still in place, but I've only used that once. Pretty much the choices are getting romper treatment, or getting banned.

You aren't the only one that feels that way because I do.

I don't find it hard to see or talks politics in everything like others do. I can watch the NBA and not be outraged or offended. Same thing with the NFL. I don't get it but certain people seem to want to be outraged 24x7.

30 of 300 is still 10%.

And we’re gonna let that 10% drive decisions that impact the other 90%?

Just end it. It was time 10 years ago, it’s certainly time now.

Bingo

Sounds like two solid choices to me...

Thats fine during the season and about draft time other than that its dead here. DC offers a reason to post and see if there is anything worth following in the lounge.

Of course, but when it was started, there were still a lot of unknowns and a lot of people were freaked out. I know a lot of people wanted to keep it front and center in the Lounge. It was obvious that it would be politically charged, but there was also a warning in the header about it. A lot of people got shit canned from that thread because they couldn't control themselves.

You still haven’t explained how this would improve things and why there isn’t a less drastic fix to your perceived problem.

Again, I never said ANYTHING about letting 30 people "drive" anything.

All I'm saying is that if they were to say, hypothetically nuke DC, there's going to be a large segment of people, including people that don't even use DC, that are going to be upset.

And if they don't nuke DC, there's going to be large segment of people, including people that don't even use DC, that are going to be upset.

It's going to result in extra work for the mods no matter what they do because every argument has two sides. Settling an argument will always be seen as either a win or a loss depending on which side you're on.

Okay, so if there is 40 out of 250 people as you mentioned, that's 16% of the total.

If there is 40 out of 300, that's 13%.

Is 13-16% that significant to the overall picture?

That being said, I have to imagine that in 2000, there probably wasn't very many politics message boards back then. Now I'm sure there's plenty of them that they can participate, since obviously some of them don't even talk Chiefs or sports in general.

There has been some members (not going to name names) that originally was a frequent user on the Lounge and not at DC, but now it's completely the other way around.

Edited: I see you responded to OTWP15's comment. Disregard.

Would you have the same level of comfort if pro sports teams played a tribute to Donald Trump before each game and maybe decorated their fields/courts with pro-life or gun freedom messages?

Not singling you out with my responses, just feeding off of what is put out there...

At some point Kyle is going to have step in publicly and tell us what he ultimately decides for this place. I realize that gets a bit touchy because people have donated money to improve and keep the place running. Hell, I donated back in the day, it’s been on my mind to donate again, it’s just one thing after another keeps coming up (financially, nothing to do with this place). But, at the end of the day it is his baby and he is going to have to step in on this matter, publicly, he very well may have to the mod team in private but, if so, some public backing wouldn’t hurt them.

And I don’t view the mods as lost or with any kind of agenda (personal biases will always be a factor, it’s how you choose to handle them in your given roles), I just think an official position from the owner of the board would them, and everyone some good. Then we know. Then we can decide if we want to co to us to participate here or not (not a threat on my part, I’m speaking generally).

True. Like Taco John. He has own crappy board that is dying so he should go post his fantasies over there.

Can you come up with examples of people who share your political views?

Taco has a long history with this board, including the football side. He’s not uncivil like so many others around here. I don’t believe he posts politics in the Lounge. He's interesting and entertaining.

NinerDoug. Came here because he loved Alex Smith and stayed here to live in DC. I see we have other niner fans that only post in DC.but why?

Hey I think today I will go join a Dolphins board just so I can talk politics. Who does that?

Honestly Pat I wouldn't give a shit I just want to watch sports. Once the whistle blows none of that shit matters and it is all background noise.

But honestly, it seemed like bait.

NinerDoug seems like a decent, thoughtful liberal who has learned to mix it up like a regular. I doubt that he’s a problem in the Lounge. He came here for an NFL reason and he made some friends so he stuck around. It’s a community thing. In fact, just the other day he offered to meet me for a beer if I ever make it out to Los Angeles where my daughter is in vet school.

Ok, fair enough. Thanks for the answers.

I also understand this point. I mean, it does cost money to run this board, that I do understand (remember we had server issues and such). I also understand the possible financial risk (if any) if he were to get rid of the DC, and if there were any posters there at DC, that did participate on the donations to improve and keep the place running.

I don't have any issues with the mods at all.

[sarcasm in good jest] Except for Da Face needs to fix his you know what or yelling at BAWAN!!!!! [/sarcasm in good jest]

If you want to ban DC, you are going to have to ban almost all other news and topics other than football in this forum.

He seems like a decent guy and he doesn't cause trouble over here because he never posts over here. I just think it is odd, that's all.

When are you going to buy me a beer asshole? :)

I doubt we’ll get the chance, but I’d be happy to buy you a beer if we did.

This is a good point!

Been out tonight. What'd I miss?!

If you don't like DC, there's a very simple and effective way of avoiding it that doesn't include getting rid of it... all your idea is gonna get you is more politics spilling into the lounge

There are 30 of us here and we can't get along.

If I understood correctly, we have to vote to either ban DC or choose 5 members that post only in DC to be the new mod team.

I'm sure Rainman is crafting a new poll for it. Imma choose the Gaz option

I suggest shutting DC down until after the election. It's out of control, lacks usefulness, and is of no benefit to anyone. A large proportion of CP negativities are rooted there.

Hell, if the Royals can get their own forum, why not DC. Nutjob Planet, or something.

Unfortunately all of the major sport leagues and the media outlets that cover them have pumped politics into sports. Then when those views are opposite politically of the majority of the six states that comprise the main Chiefs fan base you are going to have some friction. Throw in the normal election year bullshit, you going to have some carry over. Then top it all off with COVID bullshit. That basically follows the same political lines which your views of it are.

Those 3 factors are what you are seeing at play. It's basically current climate of the year.

I gave the mods a detailed plan for me and Myslod to be mods in DC. No one can be banned, disciplined etc. without the others approval. Equal treatment. Both Left and Right have to agree or no discipline is handed out. The endgame was to decrease the name calling and vitriol in DC and focus on the issues.

Never heard a word from the mods or AustinChief. Followed up several times. Not even a response. Thats a bad idea. Nothing. It was a missed chance that could have possibly changed the path that led to the extreme rancor and personal insults that are a fact of life in DC these days.

I come in peace but I honestly haven't noticed any politic stuff in all the games I've watched and I've watched nearly all available to me. Maybe I'm not paying close enough attention or I've got a higher tolerance but It's been perfectly fine IMO. Its the political ads at commercial that are the worst.

Quality post...

I for one, love all our friends on the other side of the aisle (no homo)... We have our differences, but at the end of the day we'll all survive and come back here and talk about something..

Well you can blame that on the NFL.

For all their bloviating about being a force for change, they basically stopped calling attention to it after week one.

The players are still wearing names and slogans, as are the end zones but the NFL and networks are basically ignoring at this point.

I think a lot of us knew this would happen though. There was nothing in place to make sure momentum was maintained.