That's a hell of a season/Alex

Your GM is signing our trash and so far it's failed miserably. Worry about trying not to get blown out by us this year.

We are shitdick.

We only stopped when your fellow Donko Bitch****s who weren't worried about Donko happenings and started worrying about Chiefs. Tell your Donko Bitch**** brethren to worry about Donko shot and we will worry about the Chiefs.

Are you for them, or against them? Chiefs current WRs

All for these dudes becoming the next Fun Bunch.

Demarcus Robinson is a nice prospect, but I think Conley and Chesson are perfect WR's for Mahomes.

Fun bunch?

Sammy Watkins/reek combo gonna kill

Should of cut smith and kept maclin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fun_Bunch

The Fun Bunch were the wide receivers and tight ends of the Washington Redskins of the National Football League during the early 1980s. It was also used as a nickname for the corps of talented offensive players during Ohio State's 2005 and 2006 football seasons.

The members of the Fun Bunch included the Redskins' wide receivers Art Monk, Virgil Seay, Charlie Brown, and Alvin Garrett, running back Otis Wonsley[1] and tight ends Rick Walker, and Don Warren. Each won a Super Bowl with the Redskins, and three were chosen for the Pro Bowl.

"The Fun Bunch" was also used for the offensive players during Ohio State's 2005 and 2006 football seasons: wide receivers Anthony Gonzalez, Ted Ginn, Jr., Santonio Holmes and quarterback Troy Smith.

Well played.

Barring injury, this is exactly how I expect the WR room to look this Fall. I think they'll keep 6 WR's and maybe even 7, if they go with just 3 TE's (last year, they opened the season with 4 TE's on the 53).

I'll bet at least two of these guys make the Practice Squad, with Seantavius Jones having an outside shot of making the 53.

You should have paid attention in grammar class

Uncharted territory:

Soon and forthcoming, the drafting of high profile, high talent receivers!
How wonderful it is to finally witness KC hop in to the DeLorean, and make a b-line for the modern age of NFL football!

Wuhawt?!?!?

I wouldn't count on that.

From 2002-2012, the Green Bay Packers highest WR selection was #36 in 2008 - Jordy Nelson.

All of their other receivers of note were taken late second and third.

Just like ILB, I don't believe Dorsey puts a premium on WR's.

What was the best stats the 3rd receiving option put up under Andy Reid in his coaching career?

Obviously not justifiable for such a high salary.

I don't believe we can look at Dorsey from a strictly "Green Bay" perspective anymore. He and Reid have really begun to create their own, dynamic animal.
The trade-up on draft day was about the loudest shot that I can recall as it relates to the previous practices and workings of either individual prior to coming on board with the Chiefs.
Now granted, Dorsey wasn't calling the final shots in Green Bay, but I believe it is fairly easy to discern where the "Ted way" and the "Chiefs way" begin to part company.
In any event, it is certainly a far bolder and more aggressive approach than anything I have witnessed in decades of Chiefs football.
I can't claim to be a big fan of the initial setup, but I certainly appreciate the direction they have taken once the engines were fired-up and moving.

LMAO

I've not seen such brilliant lowbrow descriptive prose of a football situation since DeezNutz was last posting.

After five drafts, it's pretty clear, at least from my perspective, as to what Dorsey values high in the draft. Cornerback, Defensive Line and Offensive Line (Center and Left tackle) and Outside Linebacker.

This year, he moved up for a QB.

The positions in which he doesn't value as high are Guard, WR, TE and Inside Linebacker.

Considering the huge bust rate of Wide Receivers, I think it's much more likely that Dorsey continues this pattern of drafting Premium Players early and drafting wide receivers later, so that they come in raw and coachable.

He never drafts "finished products", which is what he'd be attempting by taking a WR in the first or second round. I mean, in what was considered a "great" WR class in 2014, he chose exactly zero WR's.

I bet the guys clamoring for Wilson to be gone are really shaken by Maclin being cut. The chances of Wilson making final cuts just went way up.

Can you imagine how the posting is going to be during the season? Same asshats with the same "yet Alex lives", "ACL ASS11", and "CTE for Alex, please..." Bob Dole was a visionary.

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Wow. Nobody wanted Maclin.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...154181369.html

Nobody wanted Maclin for his price. Including the Chiefs.

The fact that they didn't even try to get him to take a pay cut tells me that this move is purely about developing the WRs who Mahomes will play with.

But did we catch a Marlin?

The Chiefs are still very talented; there is no way they are conceding the upcoming season.

That's an excellent overview. And for sure the man doesn't want prima-donnas. However, the selection of Mahomes, and assuming that said selection pans out, could possibly create a shift in the patterns you have observed.

One thing is for sure; I have never seen the Chiefs FO this diligent, thorough, and passionate about its role and responsibilities.

It's pretty amazing when you contrast it with what came before, and for far too long IMO.

It will be a glorious year of live scrimmages.

I agree. I think they will win between 9 and 11 games in 2017, with a likely divisional round exit. Outside chance of an AFCCG appearance.

However, 2018 represents the beginning of a new era. Old faces who gave so much to the Chiefs like DJ and Hali will likely be axed. The team will still have tons of talent, but it will just be younger. The WRs who Mahomes will be playing with can get experience in 2017 and prove themselves worthy of playing in the new era.

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I'm a little out of the loop. What does this even mean?

walterfootball.com/disastergrades.php

june 2 Updates

Chiefs cut WR Jeremy Maclin: 4/10 Disaster Rating
This release doesn't make much sense. Jeremy Maclin, at 29, is still a passable No. 1 receiver at this stage of his career. He struggled last year, but only because he dealt with injuries. He was looking healthy at OTAs, so he was bound to bounce back with a strong 2017 campaign. Maclin's release saves $10 million, but also creates $7.2 million in dead money over the next two seasons.

The Chiefs qualified for the playoffs with Maclin struggling last year, so they can get back to the postseason without him. However, their potential for advancing deep into January is very limited without him. The only capable receiver left on the roster is Tyreek Hill, and he's far from being a finished product. Plus, if Patrick Mahomes has to take over in the event of an injury to Alex Smith, it'll hurt if the rookie quarterback won't have a legitimate No. 1 wideout at his disposal.

I think this is a 4 or a 5 on the Disaster Rating scale. It's not a killer, as the Chiefs could still make the playoffs, but their upside is more capped now than it already was with Smith.

I have no dog in that fight, but I will surmise that Albert Wilson must give one hell of a hand job.

The same as it has been for 15 ****ing seasons?

Some useless asshat blathering on and on about a former moderator that no one gives two ****s about?

People seem to revel in leaving Smith to hang out to dry but what If Alex Smith gets hurt and Mahomes is forced to play without Maclin?

The financial move points to them being open to keeping Smith for another season if Mahomes doesn't show the progress needed to be a starting QB, FWIW.

Peters, Berry, Smith, Houston, Kelce are the leaders of this team in 2017. Going into 2018 without Smith and putting the keys in the hands of an inexperienced 22 year old seems a little premature and reckless.

If they are fearful of that scenario, then they shouldn't make Mahomes the backup yet.

If's, nuts, candy, and buts; Mahomes will more than likely not see the field this season.
It would be Bray in your scenario.

Everything in that post is wrong. The financial move was necessary for this year, to sign picks and set up the emergency fund for when the seasons starts. If they were worried about next year that much, they wouldn't have made it a June 1 cut.

The names you listed as leaders are the reason why Mahomes can take over and be the guy next year. Because the talent and leadership is already in place to make the transition seamless. The kid will get to just go out there and play ball.

They want his future receivers to be experienced and proven, and this move allows for that.

How is cutting a guy who barely contributed last year a sign of mailing the year in? They didn't want to pay him. Pretty ****ing simple. It was the correct move.


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Dude. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.

Just let him revel in his make believe world of bullshit. He's been nothing but dead wrong since Reid and Dorsey cleaned his clock on draft day, and there is NO reason to believe that his fate will change.
Alex fans are experts in clinging to hope. It's what they do. Just sit back and watch this zoo's latest monkey fling his feces all over the wall before eating it.

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

Really? Because it sure looks like the opposite to me....

Let the rest of us know when you figure it out.

Yes we should wait till 2019 to take the training wheels off

LOL

my god youre not even passable as a troll these days because the shit you spew is just so ****ing moronic

Even when looking at the moment, still doesn't make much sense to me. Surely Maclin would have been open to renegotiate

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If there is yet another avenue to conjure up the "they have no confidence in a Smith-led Chiefs team for 2017, so they are mailing it in" mantra... you will read it here. :)

I'm not saying we are mailing it in.....but Maclin if he is healthy could be a 1 or 2 on alot of teams....including ours. If we had a legit shot at even a deep playoff run, we would pony up the cash..IMO

Yet you fail to mention that Maclin is off the books for next year outside of his dead money.

That's the problem the "could" in Dorsey's eyes was not worth the 10 mil to be saved by releasing him

He mentioned that, you just didn't understand it.

Maclin is off the books because Alex is too scared to throw the ball more than 10 yards pass the line of srimmage. Why pay big money for an ageing WR that won't get the ball anyway. Maclin got ****ed because of Smith.

Maclin didn't get ****ed. He just got a shit ton of money for doing nothing this year.

The Chiefs needed some cap room, though, and decided that the best way to get it was to dump an aging, injury-prone WR who probably wasn't going to be of much use anyway, not to Smith or to Mahomes next season.

A player who can make the kind of catch Maclin made on third and 20 in the playoff game last year is valuable to a team who is a SB competitor.

If this team legitimately thought it had a chance at the Lombardi they'd be holding on to Maclin to come up with that kind of catch in clutch situations, but why bother?

We aren't a SB competitor, and so it's not worth paying a guy to come up with that kind of occasional clutch play when he's not producing the rest of the time according to his pay grade.

Especially when he's only going to get worse and you need the cap room.

Maclin doesn't stay healthy

His production was something a low rd pick can do.

Def not worth keeping him for the money that he was making.

I'm sure they asked him to re-do his contract, he probably refused. They tried trading him during the draft, nobody bit, so now they've released him in the most cap friendly way they could.

Having that said, they need someone to replace him. Other than Hill and Kelce, the Chiefs don't have any receiving weapons. Conley's the 2nd best WR on this team as we speak and he's really JAG.

Nobody else beat Denver 2x last year?


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Wut? Did you miss his first season here? His decline last year was 100% on him. Whether it was because of injuries or his friend dying, he clearly wasn't good last year.
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I'm inclined to believe that the truth lies somewhere in the middle between "not worth it for the production", and "developing the younger talent that we have drafted".

As much as I would love to believe that Dorsey is SO pragmatic, that he looked at Smith and said "why am I wasting my time giving this schlub a high dollar option that he can't use to any advantage", it would be absolutely ridiculous to believe that any GM would reason like that.

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Did you even watch the 2015 season? Macin had his most efficient season as a pro and that's AFTER his ACL injury. Ignorance is strong with this one.

Bingo.

Any move is somehow relevant to Smith's future. Let the man cling to his hopes, for Christ's sake!!

Kind of sucks because while he did have a down year, he did put the team on his back at times. Most notably when he damn near put the team on his back in the come back vs San Diego

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That is some solid blocking especially in the second gif. Why couldn't/doesn't Alex Smith make more plays like that down field? It's not like he is incapable he just doesn't do it enough. If he wants to keep his job through 2017 he is going have to make plays like that all season.

What ever happens, dont let the turds see that TD throw...it'll ruin the narrative.

So what does this to do for the long threat?

You mean the narrative that Alex Smith is frustrating because he clearly has shown he is capable of these kind plays but doesn't have the balls to make them consistently.

If this were truly how they saw it, why even keep Alex Smith around?

They could save several million and see what they have in Bray as QB1 (+/or give Pat the reigns mid-way) for the year by cutting him loose?

Why bring in Logan for such a large, 1 yr deal?



No, this was just a simple value decision. They saw what Mac was offering in practice, and were not impressed enough to keep him on for such high cap cost. They probably felt they could get similar/equal/better production from a younger, cheap option.

But Smith can't make reads!

Maclin's departure is not the end of the world and KC isn't tanking for next year. 16-1700 yards in 2 years isn't irreplaceable. There's probably 40 guys a year that that gain 850+ yards a year and if you look at last year only 80+ guys would get that 5-600 yard production. It is very realistic to believe that several guys on the roster can get that 5-600 yards of last year and adding 150-200 yards (an extra catch or 2 a game) for Reek and Kelce or Conley or Wilson is possible/probable as well. That level of production isn't worth 10 MILLION dollars and isn't spending your money wisely. It's nice to see a GM who looks for value as well as performance.

Seriously.


Alex Smith, once or twice a season, will put together ONE HALF of football that reminds you why he was such a great prospect.

I don't expect him to be amazing every snap, but when he does put together a really high level half of football it usually precedes or follows a terrible half of QB play. He'll throw for 72 yards in a first half, and then 220 yards in a second half. Or he'll throw 180 yards and 2 TD's in the first half and finish it with a whimpering 68 yard 1 INT second half.

And those are his good games.

Maclin had a little over 500 yards last season, dumb shit.

He was hardly ever a deciding factor and never the Defense's main concern.

LOL

Let one of those D-linemen get the slightest push and watch where his eyes go then..

Is our #2 WR even going to be a top 3 target in this offense? 4th option?

Clearly Kelce is the top target followed by Hill. After that is Ware/Hunt and with Alex's penchant for targeting TE's it wouldn't surprise me if Escobar was the 4th target.

So it's very possible that Conley is our 5th option on offense with Alex.

Maclins underperformance combined with the above = see you later.

If it was simply a matter of performance alone and not a need for salary relief they would have let him go to camp before cutting him.

Bingo.


It's mind numbing. We know he can make great throws, but he chooses not to, even when faced with elimination.

The 2015 Maclin would be a big asset this season. The 2016 version? Not so much. After 2015, I would have said Maclin (as many posters on here did) may be the most irreplaceable piece on offense. Flash forward to Hill's arrival and Kelce's continued rise, along with Maclin's injury and disinterest in 2016...we all should have seen this as a strong possibility.

You got to think Maclin's mini-camp performance and/or another WR's emergence played into this decision as well. Otherwise, he would have been released earlier this offseason like Charles was.

Here's hoping Conley, Robinson, Chessen, etc. can surprise this year.

I even agreed with Tiger when it came to Maclin this past season until the broke dick proved us wrong. I thought Maclin's return would give the offense a boost needed, instead he shit on the faces of the offense and provided virtually nothing.

Glad he's gone. Bye.

KC rarely lines up with 4 WRs on the field and Hill/Conley showed ability to be players in 2016 that are ascending.

Kelce might be the best TE in the game (if Gronk back is fukd)

Hunt is going to be a lot better than most here think.

The OL is together the next 2 years minimum and is ascending.

Albert Wilson is playing for a new deal in KC or elsewhere (I prefer elsewhere but I digress)


For this offense to take a big step forward, it needs just 1 of Chesson, Robinson or someone else to step up and give us some ability to make plays and Robinson seems to have worked hard for the opportunity to get on the field and show he can be that guy.

most quarterbacks aren't achieving their 250 yards/game with an even distribution of yards and touchdowns amongst all 4 quarters. There is an ebb and flow to it, a lot depending on the circumstance of the game and what the Coach wants.

Wow, after reading all of this I almost feel better about the Royals. Wait, no I don't.

Shocking? Yes. Unexpected? Maybe. End of the world? Never.

Players come and go. Young players emerge and step up or are replaced. Older players get injured, don't produce and are let go. Just like the climate, the only constant in sports is change.

I look forward to football season EVERY year, doesn't matter who the players are on the field. I am a CHIEFS fan. That means I want every player to play well and the team to win.

How does a thread about Maclin being cut for cap/production/who knows get turned into an Alex Smith debate? Yeah, he isn't Tom Brady and our coach isn't Belicheat however this is our team and I am going to do my best to enjoy every minute of football.

At least, that's my plan.

Go Chiefs.

FYP

More important than WR 3 may be who is going to be TE#2??

He surely won't drop more passes than Harris did last year, I would hope.

You're the moron who said no QB was worth drafting in the first round. ROFL

Flip flop, much?