If OU and OSU come along, Bama would be in the east.

West would be Mizzou, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Arkansas, LSU, A&M, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State.

This is the way that I see it. Plus, it would preserve some of the Big 8 (**** you, Big 12) flavor.

And there's little question that your anti-Cassel/Pioli chops demand executive-level membership. I'll raise a Keystone at Reaper's place with you anytime.

I've been to Neyland twice. That stadium is gorgeous and enormous. However, despite holding 10,000+ more people than The Swamp, it's not as loud.. at least partially due to the spread-out architecture in contrast with the Swamp's vertical, closed-in build.

And the triad is complete. I got rep from Dane and Rainman, and now tacit acceptance into the strange and mysterious gang of 14.

I just burned my Skull and Bones invitation - who the **** needs those guys?

**** so we go from having to put up with whiny KU fans to possibly DaKCMan.

Just shoot me now...


:)

Maybe you all will STFU about me pimping the Awesome SEC and talking about Florida.


...probably not. ;)

That's a balanced, but brutal division. In basketball, Mizzou could probably win that division with regularity if Carlton doesn't **** it up.

I am already getting tired of you... :D

Perhaps some here can help an old codger understand how teams travel.

Back in the days of the Big 8 (yep went to school during that period), bus travel was the means of getting teams around. But, say, MU goes to the SEC. What are they going to do? Fly or spend several days to get to Florida? Can't fly from Columbia directly.

The same goes for KU, KSU, & ISU should the Big 12 goes down the tubes and they wind up in some eastern league.

I understand the PAC 10 does something to go to SoCal to Seattle, but never gave it much thought on the travel arragngements.

Damn - all the talk about football and I completely spaced on basketball.

Yeah - Mizzou should do pretty well in basketball if we can manage to get ourselves a decent coach after shitcanning Haith.

(Unfortunately, it certainly appears that he's survived the Miami thing, so it'll take 3 or 4 mediocre seasons first...)

I've got Tecate in my fridge right now that y'all can have. Also some High Life.

No, seriously, they are really in there. Please come down and drink them for me.

Yep. Football is going to be brutal and we will be lucky to be in the top half of the conference but basketball we should be near the top. Of course we will have replaced our annual rapings by KU with Kentucky.

Yeah...but some of us wouldn't have to travel so far to see an occasional football or basketball game.

Well the PAC-12 isn't expanding
http://twitter.com/#!/PeteThamelNYT/...48494758936577

Sooooo Texas is going to do what?

That explains OU and Texas' sudden desire to save the conference. Maybe it's the right move, maybe it's not, but if I was Mizzou I would run, run, and run.

I hope Texas ends up with nowhere to go.

Shit.

You know exactly what Texas is going to do now - the same thing they've always done.

If the PAC doesn't expand, OU probably stays in the XII with the rest of the gang. If so, Deaton's not going to pull the trigger on this thing.

If the PAC doesn't expand, I don't think MU moves. There are too many people within this administration that are entirely too resistant to change.

I wonder if this makes everyone put their guns back in their holsters though.

Mizzou should threaten to go unless Texas drops the LHN and stops being such a douche.

Might be. Or OU might be trying to buy time to talk to the SEC. Sure seems like too many lines have been crossed to just go back to being ruled by Texas.

I've had to put up with Mizzou fans all day (not on this board, but I need to vent) bragging about how they are going to the SEC and how they are so gleeful that Kansas would get left behind in the leftover conference. Lots of mockery all day long.

All I have to say is: suck it, Mizzou. You are a proud member of the Big 12 conference.

And it will absolutely be the wrong decision. FML. And we'll have to, again, hear all of the bullshit about preserving tradition, rivalries, blah, blah, ****ing, blah.

While we wait for the big boys to kick us out of bed again.

Wake up, you spineless ****s. Get the **** out while (if) you can. End the ****ing charade. If this means paying a penalty, so be it. There's plenty of money in Columbia to write the check.

So after all that, the Big 12 stays intact? Who the hell are these people that run college football? LMAO

How hilarious would it be if we all just wasted the last 3 months following this crap and nothing happened?

Where is Mizzou going to go?

I thought that their offer was contingent on the Big 12 folding.

The real funny thing is out of all of this, the real winner is Colorado. They just stuck it to both Texas and OU.

But I'm not 100% convinced it's all over. Is Oklahoma really going to walk back with their tail between their legs?

Well, I don't think that is set and if it is for how long? You think we are not doing this same dance in less than a year?

The Big 12 is not sustainable. Too many lines crossed.

Mizzou is a proud member of the Big XII conference. We'll probably add 1 or 3 teams and call it a day.

No idea why Mizzou fans would expect (or hope) for forward-thinking leadership from the current administration, as if BD didn't completely embarrass himself during the Anderson hire and Big 10 fiasco.

No way that the SEC doesn't go to 14. Have the gumption to make the move solo.

Where will OU go?

It is. Mizzou goes nowhere without OU leaving, which is why no one was really throwing a parade on here yet.

hook 'em

Anywhere else. If they truly feel everything is tilted against them and they'll never have a competitive advantage because Texas has their own network... it's better to get out now before you become the Blue Jays of the Big 12.

The only thing we do know is the SEC needs a 14th team. Somebody has to do it. And I am not convinced they'd want it to be West Virginia.

Remember when Kathy Bates crushed Jimmy Caan's feet with a sledgehammer to trap him in bed? There's a Texas-Big 12 analogy there somewhere

http://twitter.com/#!/Dave_Matter/st...57241937989633

Seems like move to SEC hinged on B12 imploding.

Wouldn't surprise me. I learned my lesson last year. Hopeful it works but fully prepared for it to all go swirling down the drain.

Well, if this is true I am really going to miss the yearly rivalry. Sucks.

Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

A) The Big 12 picks up another school and they all (minue A&M) split a 1+ billion dollar contract.

B) Missouri gets to duke it out with OSU for third in command now.

From my source...

"It was a done deal until things got messy and difficult.* Even Scott, the biggest proponent of the superconferences did not think he could make this work seemlessly.* I just spoke to a well placed Pac Ten official who told me that the expanded league would have been as messy as the Big 12 has been with big egos and the desire for special status.* The presidents who were on board as of last week were turned off by having to compromise to add schools they wanted (OU and UT) and were not thrilled with having to take OSU and TTech.* So instead of humiliating anybody with a rejection, they just decided to stand pat until this thing blows up again in a couple of years.* The Big 12 survives again. For now while the Pac 12 will flourish as 12."

And who is the 14th in the SEC?

:facepalm:

Hey who knows...not saying Missouri can't or won't be...but I think this is new information...so it is back to the drawing board a bit.

I feel like one huge thing is...nobody wants to be the one to really pull that last jenga block to make the B12 fold. Legally and just for the sake of a lot of bullshit I think people want B12 teams without being blamed for burning the house down.

Say MU were to be invited and leave with Texas and OU and all the other teams staying to keep the B12 going. That can happen without people thinking you wrecked the B12 but then again...that is new...we didn't think about this.

Did you?

I think you are coming down on a varied a constantly changing situation with a ton of assumptions.

How you take all this info and go. "Mizzou was invited to the SEC...they had the golden ticket and said no!" out of all these ups and downs and turns seems kinda silly to me.

Logistically, the Pac-12 would have been problematic for midwest teams, no question.

I don't think it's assumptions, however, to say that BD has been involved in some very damning incidents at Mizzou that cast serious doubt on the level of leadership.

This feels right to me.

If OU would have gone to the PAC 12 alone and said "screw OSU, we'd like to apply to your conference, no strings attached. We'll be an equal member, we'll assimilate into the PAC 12 culture and be a team player", I bet they would have got in. Ditto UT.

Is Dan Bebee still employed?

You guys really need to get the **** out while you can. I hate MU with a passion, but I know if that was KU with a chance to jet, I would want them to.

This apparent conclusion is why I stopped following the rumors. Too much is complete BS.

Texas is going to have to find a hell of an opportunity to want to fold a conference that they control.

Ha, yes but that is the thing. People always slam Missouri for not making things happen that simply and frustratingly are not all up to their control.

We will see how it pans out. The last 30 hours of news have been unreal.

Having said that, this is absolutely my favorite scenario for KU by far. Add 3 Big East teams, make the exit fees so ****ing high nobody will want to do it for a long time and lets roll.

No idea why any university would be worried about hearing some bullshit about being the institution that "blew up the Big 12" when anyone with a grain of common sense realizes that this conference is and will be hemorrhaging blood until the death blow comes in the near future.

Pete Thamel is saying it came down to Texas. There wasn't even a legit conference call. Larry Scott had basically decided that there was no way they were going to appease Texas and keep everything equal... hence the "culture of equality" statement.

I like the analogy.

That makes sense.

Next time Dan Beebee and Oklahoma are in the same room:

So... That was awkward.

But here is the thing. It is all awkward...everyone...all of it.

I wouldn't...the whole thing.

Write. The. Check.

As you well know, there's insane money in Columbia and otherwise associated with the university. Bit of short-term pain for long-term gain.

B12 expansion? L'ville, Cincy, WVU. Not perfect but available...and better than some horse shit smaller Texas schools.

Ok so I was coming from a different direction.

I don't mean the team leaving take heat for being a conference killer (in MU's case they wouldn't be a conference killer) but more so I don't think the conference taking in a number of teams wants to look they were the ones that flipped the switch,

Fair point, Zach.

If it was those three, that would be great for basketball. Not so sure that the BE can't survive, though.

**** NO. GET THE **** OUT. I don't care if everyone is pissed, MU needs to leave yesterday.

Unlikely idea but hey we are throwing out shit right? As many stupid crazy things as we have talked about we still haven't been close.

A&M, MU, OU, OSU ---> SEC at 16.

I don't mind an expanded B12 at face value but....there is no way to believe it is sustainable...even with good ideas.

So, not a damn thing is going to happen now?

Haha, hey I agree...I am just throwing stuff out.

However...here is then deal...Missouri can't just go somewhere if someone is not inviting them. We don't know the actual level of interest now it conferences wanting to take on other teams.

Seems like a lot is still going to happen.

True. But Deaton needs to resign as Big 12 whateverthefheis. Right now, he's not helping MU. We need a Kroenke or three with their lawyers to represent Mizzou.

tullycorcoran
Have this on a loop as you read your conference realignment stories: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ

I think people make too much of all that but its a fair point. I wouldn't be against it.

But when you try and do bold things you leave yourself open to risk. Nobody is going to change that.

Boren saying he wasn't surprised by PAC decision and reiterates support for B12

Big 12 staying alive = good for Kansas City = I'm pretty happy

Add BYU to the South and Louisville & Cincinnati to the North.

or

Move OU and OSU to the North and add BYU, New Mexico, and TCU to the South.

tweet from an AP writer

Jon Wilner (well-respected PAC-12 beat writer)

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...gnment-bigeast

All the Big East football presidents and AD's met tonight... all agreed to stay together and look for replacements for Syracuse and Pitt. Non-football schools all seem to be on board.

I don't know why the Big 12 is getting picked apart. We are(were) a stronger conference than the ACC, Big East, etc... Why aren't those getting blown up?

Obviously the ego of UT has been a turn off. It is in the best interest for UT to concede an inch and retain power in the Big 12, than to concede a mile to join another conference and be an equal player in another conference.

All OU is asking for is that High School games/highlights not be shown on LHN. All the remaining teams want is a more equal slice of the pie.

If UT can concede an inch, which they eventually will, IMO, since its the best option for them at this point, then everyone in the Big 12 should breathe a sigh of relief....

And then go ****ing rape some other conference/s out of 3-7 teams.

It would be shitty to lose the Big 12 basketball tournament and have all of the schools disperse throughout the coasts.

Thank you, daddies, for allowing the rest of us to humbly be a part of your conference for the next five years. I never wanted any other daddy than you.