Dude. For crying out loud ... go get some panties that fit. You're scaring the neighbors.

I'm not really merging or combining or confusing the concepts of wins or strides or anything else. Actually, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything ... anyhow ...

Every person you mention is part of the problem. Not part of the solution. Are you Google converting my nice, English posts into Swahili or something? Let me try once again ... try to remain calm ...

1) Leadership is very important in any enterprise. As a person interested in history, you should know this ... the Army figured it out a long time ago.

2) The team was and is bad ... very bad. Again, you cannot turn a team like this around in a brief time. There are problems everywhere and, because football is a team game, those problems affect every other individual player's performance.

3) Pioli and Haley are rookies in their roles. It will take time for them to acclimate, organize, and implement their plans. Rightly or wrongly, it is too early to tell whether or not they are taking us in the best direction.

4) This team was undisciplined. As a fan of the Chiefs, I'm pleased to see Haley bring that needed discipline to the franchise. And, it was sorely needed. It is this kind of foundation that, if Haley is successful, will serve us well in future.

There's much more I could say, but in short (and I don't want to repeat this again), it's far too early to tell whether or not Pioli and Haley are going to win at Kansas City. Their goals are well-stated; they want to build a team that competes year in and year out for the playoffs and the Super Bowl. That means it won't be difficult to tell if they've failed or not. In the meantime, it's just silly to second guess someone who is stirring a giant pile of turds with a stick.

FAX

Since he has only been a general manager for 12 months its hard to point out his history, when its not very long...

It's cool.

Thanks.

Again, congratulations for riding one of the very few assumptions about posters I ever make here. Maybe if I apologize again, throw in "Hail Mary" a half-dozen times and start kissing your ass I'll have done penance. Or I could just get on with my day.
ROFL

Maybe this is your initiation?
:shrug:

He's shown "knowledge and success" as a GENERAL MANAGER?

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Guys like Singletary who accomplish what they do are driven way beyond what the casual fan can understand. They thrive on the game and that is why they put in the time and effort.

Yep. That's what I was talking about.
And Maybe Dane is right.
But this is all in reference to my statement saying that the tone would be different in person. Like I said. I'm a bartender on Sundays, and not even drunk people "discuss" football topics with each other in such a disrespectful manner, because if they did, they would probably be picking brown glass out of their scalp. Only pussies use a non personal platform to insult other people's opinions.

You need to re-read the posts in question.

Good thing we knew what Carl peterson was after his first 12 months as a GM... we should give him a 20 year extension ... er wait...

There is as much proof that he can as there is that he can't.

If your opinions are thought out and researched, why the hell are you so wrong all of the time?

Dane, and Kirwan are 100% correct.

Now regarding the tone used, I tend to agree with you.

Personally, unless the person in question has shown time and again to be an idiot, I TRY (and am trying to get better) to show some restraint.

Dear, Hamas,

No amount of bitching, crying, getting angry about the Chiefs FO will change anything. So some people (as it is in human nature to do when one has no control whatsoever on the outcome) chose to simply hope that things will get better under the new regime. It's probably much healthier than getting pissed at poster for saying silly things or believing in rainbows and unicorns.

Pretty much, what I'm saying is don't belittle people for being optimistic about something neither you or they can control, no matter how stupid it is in your opinion.

Well I can't say that because it's his first year on the job.

But as a previous memebr of the Pats organization and playing an integral role in building those championship teams, I believe he knows what it takes or has some sort of idea on how to put together a winning team.

Feel free to elaborate on that.

Please list the positives and negatives of Pioli's first year as the GM of the Chiefs.

You're about a page behind in this conversation.

I constructed a false binary, placed you into it, and you immediately got defensive. Why you're going back to your initial comments about OTW and Dane is a bit of mystery.

The way you've been acting with this 4H shit has been indicative of some insecure bullshit lately.

If you think someone's wrong, debate the point. Make a stronger argument. Instead, you've gone 4H, which is little more than an extension of Hootie's "drafterbators."

****, man, don't go full Pioli. Bring some original trash to the table if you're going to sling it.

(I'd like to thank the Four Horsemen for writing this post and allowing me to use it.)

Uh, yeah, you can.

You'd be smart to choose not to, because his "accomplishments" don't paint him in a positive light.

FAX, the following questions

1) Who said anything about leadership? Furthermore, how has Todd Haley demonstrated leadership? Is mother****ing players and flipping off fans leadership just because it's tough? At what point does that mutate to a loss of control?

2) That's a complete dodge. I said nothing about the team doing a 180. What I'm looking for are signs that the barge is being slowly turned around. I see it from a few players, but from none of the sacred cows of the new regime. How does that inspire confidence?

3) Where was this "rookie" excuse when people thought we would challenge for .500 based on coaching and Pioli alone last year? Why are the goalposts now being moved?

4)FAX, other than fat camp, what makes you think that this team is any more disciplined than past teams? On the field they displayed a lot less discipline than past years, and so did the coach, who couldn't even restrain himself from telling a paying customer to **** off.

That's discipline?

Ok.

FYP

I think you may be right. I understand the frustration, but I don't understand the anger and the hate. Frankly, it gets in the way of any given topic and the entire shtick has gotten old.

I guess some people feel that they make themselves appear somehow better by demeaning others. Interestingly (and as Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins says; history bears this out), it actually merely makes them look kind of immature and stupid.

FAX

I find it incredible that Pioli was voted as exec of the year by his peers when he obviously knows nothing about being a general manager.

I just don't understand the ridiculous lengths that are gone here to discredit this guy based on ONE, yes, ONE season as this GM.

Bow before Fax.

He owns you ALL

Accuse me of following Fax, and throwing "Yeahs"? Damn straight. I share his opinions.
He is truly making observations with his brain, and not his hatred.

And let's just get it straight right now. If Pioli had gotten the horsemen's loverboy Sanchez, they would be all over his balls, because once we declined to take that route, their opinions of him soured, and they have been bashing him ever since. Get over it guys. Sanchez is gone.....and I'm glad. If Cassel doesn't work out we'll have to get someone else, but I'm glad it's not Sanchez.

I'm right a hell of a lot more often than your ass (Colt McCoy as a first rounder).

And when I'm wrong, I admit it.

Who is the one who continually brings the NYJ's quarterback into every discussion?

Am I the only one blind to the irony of this?

I've been guilty of this a lot over the years.

Demeaning stupid people has nothing to do with propping oneself up. It has everything to do with letting the stupid person know that they are saying dumbass shit.

Damn it, and I thought this Ed Hartwell negotiations, Pioli is one sly bastard raking that guy in by using the Crennel speculation as smokescreen . Ed ****ing Hartwell bitches, in another 48 glorious hours!!!!!!

I know exactly what you did and if you hadn't been a page behind (yourself) and come behind my own personal acknowledgment of a mistake... You wouldn't look like a huge asshole after a porn shoot.

I love it when people assign real world values to a message board. What on Earth would I ever need to be insecure about concerning a forum?

I appreciate the kind words sweetcheeks, but I'm more than comfortable with making my own arguments. And making them well. I always have. If you'd like to reduce me to the 4H blasts knock yourself out, but that's not consistent with the truth.

The Four Horsemen smack is original and it's being run by several other posters now. There's a larger point. Either you get it or you don't, but don't blame me for being one of the first posters to either recognize or have stones enough to call it.

I would ask you why you'd give two shits about how I address a group of posters other than yourself, but that might be redundant.
ROFL

This is how someone who was unknowing guilty of such a thing would retort to this post.

How else would you reply?:D

:facepalm:

Yeah, you get it.

No, it's derivative. It's the same stupid shit as Hootie calling people drafturbators last year.

Congratulations, we've reached the offseason where hope, rainbows, and unicorns spring eternal and the mere idea that the Chiefs could be good means that they will be good.

The same stupid shit happened last year. People overrode critical thinking with hope and marginalized people who used the former?

What happened?

Well the marginalized people were right. The season bore that out.

Now the process repeats itself.

And what have you learned?

Not a goddamned thing.

Well, I think I mentioned it first ... that we (as a team) were lacking leadership. You then commented on it in a later post.

As for the "control" issue ... it's interesting to me that people have made such a big deal of the possibility that Haley would "lose control" or "lose the players" or "lose the lockerroom". Bowe's situation has been an example of this. Actually, there's no evidence of that, whatsoever. In fact, public evidence seems to indicate just the opposite.

It's as though the media says, "Haley's a duck!". The next thing you know, the fans are looking for feathers.

The "signs" you seek may not be obvious (I thought I already said this?). In fact, they may not exist at all. Why? We've been over this a million, freaking times ... we were and are horrific, it's too early, Pioli and Haley are rookies ... (nope ... I'm not typing all that crap out again).

So ... let me get this straight ... you want me to defend what other people said about .500 records in 2009? Please. Do you think me a fool?

I think that Haley has, in fact, brought discipline. I think the conditioning regimen is an example of this. I think his benching of Bowe and DJ are examples, as well.

Don't get your feelings hurt by Haley's terrible, fiery temper. Just avert your eyes, if you must.

FAX

It's the internet. Easy to be aggressive when you can hide behind a handle and there's no accountability of any kind for what you're saying. It's different in the real world when you're looking into a real person's eyes. I don't mean that in a "you're a pussy, you wouldn't say that to my face" sense, though, I mean that in the sense that it's easier to dismiss people out of hand when you can't see them or be seen yourself. There's a dynamic, a level of instinctive respect that's lost when everybody is anonymous and can do or say pretty much anything they want.

I know that my own behavior changed when I started to think about the people on the other side of the screen as living, breathing (often mouth-breathing, cough) human beings, and I began trying to treat them the way I wanted to be treated.

It's still hard, sometimes.

This is from a NYG beat writer.

Let the Circ(ular reasoning) Be Unkbroken

You will hear about it tomorrow as BRC and I have said since last night. He's agreed to come, but wants a nice financial package, which Clark is going to give.

Why, this thread is about Crennel to the Chiefs, but nobody is talking about that anymore. People on CP change the subject constantly just so they can whine and call each other idiot. So, I commented about your player motivation statement not about another post in question.

What do you mean?

That's crazy. Just crazy. Are you going to take away all that he accomplished in the past, and imply that its not going to make any difference whatsoever?

Were already seeing the Pats way come into effect here. Despite their record, this team is making progress but you guys just don't want to view it in a positive way.

Good teams construct their way from special teams first, and go from there. Thats the way the Pats did it. Thats part of their philosophy and plan on how they build a good team. They have a slow methodical approach on how to build a team so you gotta get this 45+ players and only 2 come out of it crap out of your system. If you want to score an whole boatload of good players right away, you're going to be disappointed as we can all see, and just simply don't understand how Pioli is going about in building this team.

Step 1 of the "Pats way" is already accomplished here and we are seeing it with the special teams. Look at the special teams and how they're built? It first started off by hiring an excellent an special teams coach in Steve Hoffman, what did he do? He developed a kicker, played a role in improving the coverage units over the course of the year. the only exception is the return game, and hopefully Lawrence can pan out and be the return guy this team needs.

Step 2 of the "Pats way" is already in effect. We hired 2 excellent co-ordinators. Why did the Pats win superbowls? Because they first started off with a strong special teams and built an excellent coaching staff as well. The players came along slowly as i expect the same here AND SO SHOUD YOU! I have the utmost confidence that Pioli knows what he is doing judging from the moves he is making and working within the "Pats" philosophy. Sticking to the plan. It worked before so why can't it work again?

I don't disagree with this sentiment, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins. In the past, I, myself, have pointed out the stupid things that some people have stated.

There is, however, the nice way and the idiotic, lame, immature way.

Subtleties, you know?

Mr. Baby Lee can teach a course on this, by the way.

FAX

That's the first time I've ever heard special teams as the first building block of the Patriots.

Although I did hear many people say in the offseason (when defending the acquisitions of Copper, Beisel, etc.) that ST alone would win us another two games.

True in every way. Good to know that you've realized that a consorted effort should at least be made to not be a complete, and utter douche bag ass hole with zero respect for others just because you can't see their face, and don't know their real name.

The irony :facepalm:

LMAO

Are you even aware that there is a civil way of doing that? If so, you choose not to do so and choose to launch into a profanity-laced, demeaning tirade.

But, I'm sure that you don't do so to make yourself feel better about yourself.

If you'd read the posts in question, you'd see that Singletary, playing in the pre-FA period, doesn't have the financial worth to help make his decision for him.

He has motivation to coach because it pays a shit-ton more money than playing ever did.

Again, an ex-player sitting on an 8-figure bank account is not going to be interested in taking a job that demands 20 hour work days and wages of a few hundred thousand dollars.

LMAO

Perhaps more than you realize at first glance, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins.

FAX

:thumb:LMAO

It would have been easier just to call them pussies. :D

Is he brothers with KCJ?

The football IQ on display is uncanny.

You do realize that there is a process to this, right?

Guys like billay, who came here with little football knowledge, ask legitimate questions and get legitimate answers from me.

People like Gunther Fan/John_Wayne who continually post moronic shit time after time eventually prove to not be worth the effort (These are your RedThat's in this thread, FWIW).

The one exception to this are Patriots fans who come here acting like Pioli's asshole lint is the golden fleece. They are treated like Russian POWs.

Don't want to give them too much credit.

Don't discourage him. It's entertaining.

Douchebags make Chiefsplanet awesome.

There is a meta-humor in that post and reply on about three different levels, yes, but in the end, the message is still the same.

Well meaning idiots who want to learn are treated cordially

Consistent idiots who show know desire or ability to learn are killed with fire.

It's that simple.

How do you define "moronic shit"? Something with which you disagree?

Haley did state that one of the reasons for changing to a 3-4 defense is it would result in fewer linemen on special teams and more linebackers, which should provide immediate positive results. Haley also stated Special Teams are as important as Offense and Defense.

Case in point:

Some guy came in last week and asked an honest question about the differences in 3-4 defenses between the Fairbanks-Bulloch system and the Phillips system.

He wasn't greeted with a litany of facepalms and told to **** himself.

Conversely, someone started a thread about Gannon being the QB coach of the Chiefs. Then in that thread, when another person was pressed about the reality of it happening (nil, due to the pay and time involved) and still wouldn't give it up, they were flamed by me.

My, you certainly do have a high opinion of yourself, don't you?

Being intelligent, which I believe you are, really is something to which you deserve little credit. In fact, you had nothing to do with it. May I suggest that you learn that lesson, and perhaps not always be so quick to jump on your high-horse?

This made me chuckle

I see.

When you can "teach" and in the process make yourself feel better about you, you are civil.

When someone brings up a hypothetical which you don't like, you attack.

Is that accurate?

Actually, when it came to football, I did have a lot to do with it, because I took time to learn and study the intricacies.

I'm sure OTW would tell you the same, as he has often communicate the story of how little he knew when he first came here and how much Parker helped him (even through caustic replies) out.

Hey now I know everything!

That's a whole lot of baseless conjecture seeded with ideas to get me to fit into the box that you've already prescribed.

:spock:

Do you know the definition of intelligence?

Oh, I think you've laid out the dimensions of your own box for quite some time now.

I'm glad the Chiefs are making moves to ATTEMPT to improve. Say what you will, but the team is trying to IMPROVE. Nothing wrong with a little silver lining, now and then.

I don't think we're trying to emulate the Patriots, I think, we're trying to develop the team and call plays that put us in the best situation to improve the team overall.

Coaching does make a difference because motivators , know how to MOTIVATE. These coaches bring in instant credibilty and the players should be very receptive to going to work to attain the ultimate goal. We're coming off a 4 win season and making moves to help instill the philosophy with highly qualified candidates and some just want to piss on the parade.

I don't believe anybody here is so blind to think that this instantly makes us a contender, but rather closer to making us a better team. We need some quality coaches to take player's under their wings and help develop them, these guys bring a history of doing just that.

I'll take the 2010 coaching staff over the 2009 coaching staff, every day of the week.

Sadly, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins cannot dismount, Mr. Donger. His panties have twisted their dang selves onto the saddle horn. He is there and there he shall remain.

FAX

Whats the lastest on the Crennel thing any new developments today?

There is more than one type and more than one definition. I know this upsets your sophistry-laden schtick, but too damned bad.

That assumes I've ever paid attention to that smack.
I haven't, but carry on.

I'm sure I said that somewhere. Now if we could only find it...

Because if you opt to give the new regime time and are slower to form such concrete opinions...it means you haven't engaged in critical thought.
:rolleyes:

I've learned that it's impossible to argue with people who don't use logic as a standard of measurement.

This.

Having played the game competitively since I was 7 years old, I felt I had a pretty firm grasp of things.

But I learned something every day from this place, Parker especially.

Now, if I debate something, or jump into an argument, I do my best to present my case with facts, stats and evidence, like Parker did, to support my case.

Sadly, most people here aren't interested in learning or putting forth the effort. They'd rather negatively stereotype those that do.

So since you claim to be smarter than others, and act like you have the football knowledge, why don't you share it with others whom you feel don't have the knowledge in a polite intellegent way rather than screaming and being a dick about it and than going against them and arguing and complaining or keeping stuff to yourself?

This proves that you are a dick. So you take your words back and swallow them since you're basically showing to the rest of the world that you prove to not be worth the effort. I give up. No use in talking with you, you are one arrogant, angry, miserable, whinny little bastard. :shake:

No. Still supposedly tomorrow.

Mic I hope you take a step back and evaluate everything the "4horsemen" said during last offseason. As someone who argued aginst them I gotta say for the most part they were correct, however were they right long term about Cassel? That remains to be seen it'll probably be somewhere in between.

Shut up, pussy.

Don't lament about people bitching and rushing to judgment when a year ago you were calling Glenn Dorsey a bust halfway into his rookie year.

Furthermore, don't make false claims, like the fact that the Pats were built upon their special teams. They weren't. You can't back that up because it's patently false. No one has ever suggested or even alluded to that possibility before 15 minutes ago.

You deserve the level of respect consummate to the level of thought you put into these discussions: None.

Kindly **** yourself.

Okay. The commonly-accepted definition of intelligence is the ability to learn and/or cope with new situations and ideas. In other words, innate ability.

Intelligence isn't learned; you either have it or you don't.

I have no words.

You know, you wouldn't always have to shout that during the act if you'd stick a few fingers inside along with your pinky-sized dingus.

And I disagree with that reasoning because many top athletes are motivated by the environment, power, and competition not the money. Singletary has plenty of wealth, but he is still driven to compete just as he was as a player. People laugh at modern players who say, "I would play this game even if it was for free" (e.g. Ray Lewis), but I believe they mean what they say. Why else would someone like Shannarat return to coaching when money is not an issue?