Shananhan was never able to fix the defense and he went through too many DC's trying to fix it. Offensively, they were fine for the most part - there were way too many RB injuries last year, but the defense has been horrific for years.

I don't think the DEN offense will have an issue moving to the new philosophy. That is.. once this drama ends, and it will.

Hmmm. First it was defense, now it's the running back. Dang, you're shifty.

Sure. Cutler hasn't put together a winning season throughout all of college or his time in the pros because he hasn't had any help. Please.

Look. All I'm saying Mr. Mile High Mania is this; Cutler has what it takes to be a good quarterback from a physical standpoint - maybe a great one. But he's never, ever, ever been a winner. Of course Vandy sucks - so one would think that would and could hold a guy back. But the goats?

So, since he's never, ever, ever been a winner, we can only speculate that he will become one of those bad boys eventually. Now that he's gone all PMS on the team, I'm supposed to believe that he's on the verge of his breakthrough?

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I'm curious as to what Mel Kiper Jr.'s hair had to say about this subject.

In fact, I bet his hair is what gives him advice about the draft.

I don't understand Kiper's analysis. Pretty sure Cutler doesn't get to throw to Randy Moss or Wes Welker. While I'm glad we have Cassell, I would without a heartbeat take Cutler. I don't see one bit what is so bad with him?

I don't have a problem with his play. I do have a problem with him acting like a teenage girl who had her cell phone taken away.

Good God, Cutler was throwing to Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal. Together they're EASILY on Moss and Welker's level.

Why some of my conspirators here cite him as a QB to have I will NEVER understand.

Not trying to be shifty, just sticking with my argument that it's not all about the QB... Elway was one of the greatest of all time, but it took a hell of a running game and an improved defense for him to win two titles.

Sure, he got 'em to three and lost and Jay has yet to do that...

But, you threw in the comparison to Trent Green and all the games he won, I merely pointed out that he only had 2 seasons better than .500 and in those 2 seasons... he had a hell of a lot of help at RB, to help offset that crappy defense.

Ok - I'm out. We'll see what happens...

Oh, Jeez, Mr. Mile High Mania. You know that I merely brought up Green in response to your assertion that Cutler wasn't winning games due to the defense. Green is the poster child of a quarterback who won games in spite of one of the worst defenses of all times. That's all.

Look. The fact is that Cutler has never - not in college or the pros - quarterbacked a winning season. Peeps can blame that on his defense, his running back, or severe diaper rash but the fact remains.

I'm not convinced that Cutler is a winner. I have good reason for that - his entire history. Goat fans will believe otherwise, which is understandable but based on faith - nothing more. You're right. We'll see. And, should he alienate his coaching staff further, we'll see him traded.

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Gotcha! Well, my final note on Green is that as you look back on his 5 1/2 years in KC... 3 1/2 seasons were .500 or below and he won 48 games while losing 40 games with 0 playoff wins.

In that era of KC football.. the offense was insane, but tap the brake just a bit on the "Trent Green" thing... he was 8 games over .500.

Jay needs to get over .500 without a doubt, and I hope they end this drama soon.

Last time I checked, quarterbacks don't play defense. You have to have it on both sides. Nothing Trent Green could of done for the defense. If Trent Green had the old Baltimore Ravens defense the Chiefs probably would of won 3 super bowls. It wasn't all Trent either, you coulda put alot of QB's into that system and had great success.

Going back to Elway, Elway was probably one of the most overrated QB's of all time. While he was a great player, he can thank his two super bowls to TD, who is by all accounts, one of the most dominating players ever in the short span where he was good.

**snicker**

Denver's HC wants our QB.


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Is this a sick joke? LOL

Hell, Rivers acts that way on the field...