Is "blowing ass" a good thing or a bad thing? Was he doing good or was he doing terrible at Double A?

Bad

But how was he playing baseball?

Strikeout. Flyout. Groundout.

That was one game against the Springfield Cards.

Adam Dunn as our DH?

all out or not. he's a bopper.:hmmm:

30 home runs would be cool. a .210 average wouldn't be.

Why is the game not on TV tomorrow? This is bullshit.

People seem to love Adam Dunn. He can smash the ball... but he's also never made the playoffs. I know that involves more than just him... but he's been a middle of the lineup hitter for a lot of teams.

Seriously. They decide to not air a James Shields start, but we get to see the Bruce Chen experience in HD. Fantastic.

I'm assuming the game is the same time as the FOX game of the week. There's a blackout on any games they don't pick up.

That rule is as good as the moronic blackout rule the NFL uses with its competing networks.

It is. If they put games in that window, they should air them... not pick 3 and leave teams hanging. Tiger fans can't watch the game either. It's kind of a joke that you have two top teams in a division playing and nobody can watch it.

blow it up. Blow the whole thing up.

The umpire?

6.5 back now, 2.5 back in the wild card. If we're 8.5/4.5 back at the break, what course should the team take?

stay the course

Sell sell SELL!!!

Calling out DeepSouth:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=6077



Calling out DuncanIdaho:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=6082

He just never been on teams that was worth a shit. Cincinnati wasn't that good when he played for them. Same thing with the Suck.

I know his BA is Butler-like, but he can do one thing that Billy ever dream of doing, that's hitting HR's, and getting on base at a respectable clip.

Fire Dayton

I wonder if Hos,moose and belly can look at themselves in the mirror and realize they are the reason why the Royals will not make the playoffs..

Hopefully we upgrade next year, at least moose and belly.. We need something.

This team should be sellers. Just not enough firepower to make it work.

The Royals offense is full of soft, weak bitches. Great on defense, can't hit for shit.

Only sell: Hosmer, Moose, Belly and aoki.. Everyone else they need to see about extending. The team is almost there. We need leaders and not these privilege pussies in the order and on the field.

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

When your catcher hitting 282 and 11 homers leads the team in both categories, it's time to look in the mirror and accept the fact that this team just isn't that good. Fantastic starting pitching seems to be a shade of luck at this point. When Duffy and Vargas come back to earth after the All-Star break, is 500 baseball even remotely realistic?

heading to my first game today.
anyone mind if i start up the gameday thread?

we need some mojo!!

goooooooooooo royals!!!

Go for it Wildman

It can't hurt

As long as we get rid of Belly.

It was amazing how a rather-packed stadium suffered a gut-wrenching sigh each time he came up last night.

If we're going to cut ties with the fat snail, we might want to do it sooner than later!

Too bad the team wasn't down 5-6 runs last night maybe Belly would've gone yard again.

I've been watching less and less of them. Bad baseball isn't much fun.

thanks for the opportunity for the thread fellas. time to do some damage and make some noise.

am i right?!

but seriously, we have to split now. HAVE TOO!!! don't give up, as much as i'll get flack for it, hosmer is at least showing signs of waking up. just need the rest of these guys to wake up.

There's no market for those turds. Maybe Moose could get you an ok prospect in return.

0-7 at home vs Detroit.

They should re-run this story again.

The more I think about it the more I realize that there is an essential trade that needs to be made:

So, we could offer up Shields, Moose, Colon and Crow plus a few farm pieces (since we have the best farm in the league) for Stanton.

Discuss.

Won't matter. This train is on a one way collision course with the 81-81 monster.

Which will lead to a huge 1st round splash during next year's draft when we're picking 18th. I'm looking at you 5'11" relief pitcher who will someday make a serviceable setup man!

This team is full of pussies - From the GM on down. I say Kill it with fire and do it again with different management. The only thing worse than absolute suckage is mediocrity, and this team is nothing if not mediocre. Our GM gets so ecstatic and wants a ****ing ticker tape parade for finishing over .500 in '13. Well, when you set the bar at mediocre, don't be surprised when that's what you get.

It's a long season, and overreacting is stupid. But, I've seen this circle jerk from the Royals before, and I know how it ends. I'm beyond irritated at this point.

So true. The Dbacks this year are a total dumpster fire, but everyone here knows it and it's kinda fun. Everyone laughs about how their going to lose every night, so if they win it's a little treat. There is 0 emotionalism with loses. Just kick back, laugh at bad baseball and watch one of today's best players everyday. Mediocrity sucks because it allows for hope, which with this franchise(KC), is a losing proposition.

Dayton Moore's seat should be nuclear but of course it's not and I can't figure out for the life of me why...

This team is toast, I'd blow it up now.

how soon before we can start the 2015 repository?

The Royals are a MLB farm team and have been for 30 years. Once you understand that you can remove all the emotion and find another summer sport. Investing emotion in them is laughable.

The Royals performance the last 2 weeks has murdered fan interest. Nobody gives a shit anymore about this hapless bunch of coward pussy losers. Billy Butler is the face of the Franchise and that's not a compliment. Just like last year when we were swept by Cleveland right before the AS Break to go 44-49. Just killing ourselves.


DM should be fired. It's time to give someone else a chance. He asked for patience to rebuild the farm system and his farm produced a bunch of weeds.

You are 100% correct, but I still fall trap to it every year. My emotions block the reality

The Royals have been pissing on their fans for decades. The fans are used to it unfortunately


Agreed that DM should be gone if they miss the playoffs. How much time does he need? I'm certain the goalposts will be moved again.

But he won't be. And this is why I'm pretty much done with this franchise until they actually prove they can accomplish something.

Are they better than when DM took them over? Sure. But that's not the goal. We should have been at this "mediocre to above average" point 2 or 3 years ago in the rebuild process. Not year 8.

I suppose if the Cerner guys bought the Royals and threw stupid money at making them a contender I might re-invest in the team, but it's gone in so long that my live for the sport has dwindled to a point that I may not. My problem us more with MLB and its stupid revenue plan than it is with our team.

If we don't make the post season, GMDM should unequivocally be gone. He traded our best prospect in years for a pitcher that could help us get over the hump. If we don't make the playoffs, that trade is a failure, and we will have given up that prospect for nothing because the pitcher isn't sticking around here after 2014. Epic fail for a general manager.

we'll get a draft pick for shield departing I think :shrug:

Yay

Awesome. Because DM has the magic touch for developing Stars for sure!

Of course, that makes zero sense given how hypercompetitive the sport has beem the past 15 seasons. Since 2000, 1/2 of the 30 teams have played in the World Series. With multiple winners. There are only like 4-5 teams that haven't made the playoffs since then. So what exactly are you talking about?

Nice to see Shields leading the staff with the most wins. If he continues pitching like an ace, he'll either lead us to the playoffs or fetch something huge in a trade (see my last post).

GMDM Claims to have watched at least one of the '85 WS home games from near 1-70 (as a Royals fan). Something tells me he'll never see a championship game *inside* Kauffman Stadium

2-2 in July. Need to pick it up from .500 pace.

Need Dunn and Byrd. Make it so Dayton. A couple of good bats to replace Aoki and Butler and this team has a shot. If they stand pat im not seeing it

Honestly, we really do need two bats with pop. I just don't see that happening.

I think we should fire up "Part II" of this thread coming out of the break.

I like it. Who would we have to give up?

That's a Duncan question. Probably not much at all for Dunn but I'd guess trading for Byrd would hurt a bit if he waives the no trade.

So, I imagine I didn't miss much this weekend and haven't had a chance to read back through the thread yet. Spent Saturday and Sunday at home helping my dad finish the interior of my grandmother's new garage. It was a lot of tough work (sheetocking walls without a drywall lift sucks), but at least I missed the debacle Saturday.

Winning yesterday keeps the weekend series from being a complete disaster (it is just a minor one now), but the team has already talked so much about how it's a second-half squad, it had better deliver. Unless a move is made to add some punch to this offense, I hold out little hope for that.

It wouldn't shock me if Hosmer continues to hit and has a really strong second half. At this point, I'd be pretty shocked if Butler turns it around.

As for the costs on Dunn or Byrd, neither should be prohibitively expensive in acquisition cost. Dunn has one year left on his deal and is owed about $7 million over the rest of the season. I've never been a fan of his game and think the fanbase would quickly get annoyed with his 3 outcomes nature (think about how pissed people get now if a player doesn't deliver a runner from 3rd with less than two outs... that's pretty much Dunn's MO).

I can't imagine the White Sox market for Dunn is huge. He's a DH-only guy at this point, really. So you're limited to AL teams. I imagine it would be a very minor cost (something like Jason Adam, a lotto ticket who MIGHT eventually become a back-end starter).

Byrd probably makes more sense and is an easier fit for KC (as he brings more to the table than Dunn), but probably costs a little more to go get. And there's the no-trade clause issue, though he already has said he's willing to waive it to go to Seattle.

Being able to play Byrd in RF (something they should certainly be willing to live with considering they were fine with playing Ibanez RF) is a nice bonus, and his option for next year provides a little insurance for when Butler's option is not picked up. It would take more than Dunn - probably more like Adam plus another lotto ticket type -but Philly needs pieces and numbers to start its rebuild.

You could Byrd and not have to immediately cut ties with Billy Butler as part of the deal. Not really the case with Dunn.

Side note:

Kyle Zimmer is supposed to resume throwing today. We'll see how long this lasts!

Baltimore Orioles fans think this is a good trade, probably. But it's far off the mark in what it would take to get Stanton.

Why does Miami - a team that's going nowhere this season - want James Shields?

Why does Miami a middling reliever who's about to hit arbitration and become expensive?

Moustakas and Colon maybe have some value to the Marlins, but as throw in piecess.

This is one of those trades that might work on MLB The Show on Playstation but makes no sense for either team in real life.

You want to talk about a cheap owner who abuses his local fanbase? Talk about Jeffrey Loria, who swindled the city of Miami into building a new ballpark for him with public funds and has since reneged on his "Changed ways" as an owner. He makes David Glass look like Steinbrenner by comparison.

If the Marlins trade Stanton, it will assuredly be for a package centered almost entirely around prospects. There might be 1-2 players with MLB experience in there, but they will be cheap young guys, not established stars with salaries north of $10 million/year.

KC would need to surrender:

RA Mondesi
Miguel Almonte/Christian Binford (pick one)
Ventura/Duffy (Pick one)

and that's just where it STARTS for Stanton. Likely would require a few more valuable pieces.

Nice call out.

I mean, it's not like I quoted a post in which you said you believe in stats, and shared stats that suggested Detroit was NOT going to run away and hide.

:spock:

Hindsight is nice. At the time of that post - coming off a terrible month that had the team on the verge of fracturing and a clubhouse that was starting to see rumors about its rookie manager being overmatched - there wasn't anything STATISTICAL to suggest Detroit was about to go on a stretch in which it went from a -3 run differential to a +50 run differential in 23 games.

There was nothing that suggested an offense that had, to that point, been pretty mediocre would suddenly explode. As of 06/18, the Tigers had scored 305 runs in 68 games. That's 4.5 runs a game, and was 7th in the AL (Just nudging out the Royals at 303 runs, 8th in the AL). There was nothing to suggest JD Martinez, a scrap heap acquisition at that point posting an .843 OPS with 4 HR, would go on a tear in the next 23 games that would see him hit 9 HR and post a 1.222 OPS.

But congrats, I guess?

RE:Byrd - I hope that when the Royals played the Mets in Aug last year and Byrd went full reerun in the outfield in the 2nd or 3rd game of the series, that was Marlon at his very worst...cause that was god awful.

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I sure as **** hope not.....
 

His max HR's in a yr was 21 - which he did once. He hasn't hit 20 HR's since 2009. Since when is that considered BIG POWER? Only for the R's I guess.....JFC

:banghead:

Highest HR total in his career is 21 and a couple of years with 20. Sounds about right for DM.

Best argument for acquiring Jonny Gomes is that the Royals would then never have to face Jonny Gomes, who always seems to destroy the Royals.

His SLG/OPS numbers are pretty sexy

Gomes has very rarely been a full-time player. He's generally used as a platoon guy against LHP, which he murders.

For his career, he hits a HR about once every 20 ABs (20.4). That's pretty legit (Considering that if he could do that over a full season, he'd be a 30 HR guy).

Career .279/.379/.496 hitter against southpaws. .222/.307/.416 against RHP.

Only issue I really see is that he's a LF/DH guy. Playing him in RF would be an extreme stretch, maybe even worse than playing Ibanez out there at this point.

They really should pursue Byrd and Dunn...need 2 power/driving hitters in this lineup to have a decent chance.

This lineup as constructed isn't getting in the playoffs

We need an everyday RF'r so we can punt Aoki's ass off our roster. He's been a forgetful addition. Gomes is NOT that answer

Let me also say, that Raul Ibanez has to go. Great guy, but watching him play LF makes my stomach turn worse than watching him at the plate.

Can we say now that what happened four weeks ago with the 10 game streak was just the planets aligning and the sun shining on a dogs ass? Did we just catch a string of slumping hurlers?

An Aoki/Gomes platoon might not be awful, if Aoki has a strong second half. It's possible he's just finished, but it's also possible he returns to being a .280/.350 hitter, which would still be valuable at the top of the lineup.

I'd prefer an everyday guy, too, but Gomes would be better than doing nothing.
If Aoki continues to be ineffective, Dyson and Gomes would be a pretty nice pairing.

I don't think Dunn helps nearly as much as people seem to think it does. And there's the matter of needing to unload Butler in the deal.

This board has always been higher on Dunn than I think he warrants, though. The HR numbers are sexy... the rest of the package, not so much. I think there's a good reason he's never played on a team that wins consistently.

He'd be fine as a complementary piece if you're asking him to hit 6th or 7th and be a three outcome guy from that spot in the lineup, but if you're asking him to hit in the middle, I think you're going to be disappointed.

It was several guys hitting well at the same time. Cain, Gordon and Butler were all going really well in the middle of that streak.

It wasn't just the 10-game streak... it was nearly a whole month of pretty good offensive success.

They're going to need to finish 15 games over .500 in the second half to be in position to make the playoffs (that would put them at 89 wins, which should be about the right mark).

For them to do that, it's hard to imagine it happening without another winning streak of some significance. If they can manage another 7-8 game streak and finish 7-8 games over .500 in the rest of the games, I think they're in.

It's hard to imagine that happening without significant improvement from the offense, though.