PTD's H T S A's F T C's (HCBS)

Phogtards have the same acronyms for their coaches.

I agree, much better than it was. The league will have a true champion, or as close as you can get.

TTBAR

http://twitter.com/ChipBrownOB

Sources tell OB Arkansas has definitely put out feelers about possibly joining the Big 12, but the B12 votes don't appear to be there yet.

about 2 hours ago via mobile web

My respect for the K-State fanbase has just ****ing plummeted.

http://kansascity.sbnation.com/2010/...ng-no-interest

Arkansas AD: 'No Interest' In Joining The Big 12

Jun 17 9:33a by Joel Thorman

A source close to Cowboys owner Jerry Jones started this mess. The source reportedly told Tom Keegan of the Lawrence Journal-World that Jones was interested in bringing Arkansas and Notre Dame to the Big 12.

Chip Brown of Orangebloods.com back up that report stating that Arkansas had "definitely put out some feelers" regarding a move to the Big 12.

The Arkansas response?

"No interest," Arkansas AD Jeff Long tells the Associated Press.

Somehow I don't think this is the last we hear of this.

It's a Rivals site. While the EMAWer's were following the entire conference implosion/resurrection via twitter and other updates, the admin at GoPowertard was cleaning dogshit outta his yard.

Seriously.

http://www.yorkdispatch.com/sports/ci_15303827

Oh billay.....

MU, KU and KSU each have some terrible people rooting for them. *sigh*

FYP

I thought about starting a different thread on this topic but I don't want to be responsible for the breakup of the biggest CP Thread ever.....

Seriously though, does anyone comprehend how these independent networks will work? Are they regional? Are they broadcast under a parent company? Are the available through larger TV packages to people outside the geographic area? How large of a population/fan base do you think a school needs to be in order to make such a venture possible.

Venturing from the mess of ignorance, let me propose a hypothetical:

Since not one of the four remaining North schools has the population base nor capital to probably start such an adventure on its own, wouldn't a collaborative effort be in our best interest? We saw how vulnerable we were and the new Big XII agreement doesn't say only Texas can pursue such a said side venture to create additional revenue. Further, such a co-op would, I think, strengthen fractured feelings about school loyalty to the conference. I mean, if you are partners in a successful venture, you would be less likely to throw it away, wouldn't you?

Although ISU really isn't a main rival for the other three, the natural confluence of MU, KU and KSU in the KC area seems like a natural TV CO-OP venture. It would seem, with its expanded footprint, that it would have more chance of being successful than any one school attempting such on their own. The Border War, The Sunflower Showdown, Power and Light specials during the basketball tournament, Missouri's population centers, KU's national basketball brand, KSU's resurgence, ISU's wrestling and loyal fans.

Like I said, I don't know how these things work, so maybe it isn't difficult to get one running and make it profitable for each school, but something tells me this isn't the case and that Texas just happens to have the perfect storm of a rich university, national brand and population centers to make it work. I think a co-op between our schools (maybe call it "The North Wind Network") would be the best way for us all to find some extra cash for our programs to have some vitality outside of on-field performance.

-HH

While this is likely true, I am going to need some acronymal evidence.

LMAO

This thread kills.

ROFL

What If... The New Big 12 Were The Old Big 12? (Part One)

http://www.rockmnation.com/2010/6/17...ig-12-were-the

Kevin Lockettand K-State would have absolutely owned the New Big 12 in the early years. PWNED, even.

s you probably know by now, we at Rock M Nation tend to think that the best way to look at how change or potential will impact the future is to look at how it would have impacted things in the past. It is a common theme in RMN's What If...? section -- What If the Big Ten Had Already Invited Mizzou? What If the NCAA Tournament Had Already Expanded to 96 Teams? Et cetera. Readers had to know that, as soon as Mizzou's fate was determined, we would be diving into a new What If... series, and sure enough, here we are. With Mizzou staying in a ten-team Big 12, it is time to look at how things would have shaken down if the Big 12 had always been without Nebraska and Colorado.

Now, there are two different ways to look at this piece of alternate history, and you know as well as I do that we'll be looking at both. I'm nothing if not predictable, thorough, and, well, wordy. So over the coming days, we will take a look at two slightly different scenarios:

What If This Conference Always Had Ten Teams?
What If The Big 12 Had Gone to 12 Teams Without Nebraska and Colorado?
We've examined the last 15 years in multiple What If... scenarios on RMN, so I won't spend too much time on each year. (Well ... as little time as I'm capable of spending. I always write more than I intend.) But I will go through each season with new results, standings, bowls, impact on Mizzou, etc. We'll do this for both scenarios above ... and then we're done. After this, it's back to Mizzou History Countdown pieces and 2010 Opponent Previews.

Now, a couple quick notes:

I established the 'new' schedules in the most straight-forward way possible: by merging teams' typical schedules in odd- and even-numbered seasons. In 1996, Mizzou hosted KSU, OSU, Colorado and Kansas, and traveled to Texas, Iowa State, Nebraska, and Baylor. That means the 'extra' games we need to add here are against Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas Tech. Well, in 1998, they hosted Oklahoma and traveled to Texas A&M and Texas Tech. So that's how we'll add them to the 1996 slate (and all future even-numbered years).

This method did establish some scheduling quirks, of course -- in even-numbered years, Mizzou plays at Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech, for instance. That's three trips to Texas, compared to just one (Baylor) in odd-numbered years. Meanwhile, this also results in Iowa State hosting Texas and Oklahoma in one year, then traveling to both the next.

Also: to make the home-road splits work, I had to flip the KU-Baylor and KU-OSU games. That slightly alters a couple of the 'real' results, but oh well. For the most part, the 'real' results in their 'real' locations were retained, and I once again used my Proj. F/+ tools to determine the winners of the 'new' games.

Since we're talking about things "always having been this way," I'm retaining the "3 non-conference games, 9 conference games" structure going all the way back to 1996. Before 2002 (and again in 2004 and 2005), teams only played 11-game regular seasons, and nobody started playing nine conference games until the Pac-10 started a few years ago. So clearly we'd have probably been looking at a Big Ten-esque "play almost everybody every year" situation. But for continuity's sake, we're going with 12 games throughout. It's just easier that way.

I'm including each team's actual record next to their 'new' record. In parentheses next to the old record is a comparison to real life and alternate reality. (A positive number signifies that the team did better in alternate reality.) It's a little iffy -- at the point in which I'm making the comparisons, we're looking at the team's complete real-life record and their regular season alternate record. Mathematically, it's a little shaky, but it's not meant for any concrete conclusions -- just an idea of who may be benefiting or suffering from the new conference schedule. And in the early days, the South struggled much, much more than the North.

So beginning with the 1996 season, the remnants of the Big 8 (sans Nebraska and Colorado, who both left for other conferences, meaning we now live in a world where the Big Ten and Pac-12 have had championship games for a while ... and our conference has not) and the better (or more politically-connected) half of the SWC merge to form a ten-team conference called the ... well, I don't know what it would be called. Great Ten? Heartland Conference? Great Plains Conference? Hell ... Big Ten (with a certain other conference becoming the Big 12)? Suggestions welcome. But because it makes my head hurt to think about it, we're just going to say that it's called the Big 12.



1996

The first thing we have to realize about this "new" Big 12 is that ... without Nebraska and Colorado, they would be starting out as something far less than an elite conference. To understand what I mean, let's take a look at the 1996 preseason rankings.

Preseason Rankings
#13 Texas A&M
#21 Kansas State
#24 Kansas

While the New Big 12 doesn't have a team ranked among the Top 12, the Big Ten's Nebraska starts the season #1, and the Pac-12's Colorado starts #5. Oklahoma and Texas were both in a relative down period at the time -- in the two years before the conference's formation, Oklahoma was just 11-11-1. Texas, meanwhile, was 18-6-1, but was in a transition period; nothing was expected of them in 1996. (Of course, they surprised everybody by winning the Big 12, but only because of the Big 12's history of championship game upsets. In reality, they still only went 8-5 in 1996.)

In other words, the failure to add NU and CU to the roster would have caused some major problems early on in terms of perceptions and respect. But none of that would really be a concern for Mizzou -- they're too focused on making their first bowl game since 1983. Can they do it with Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas Tech on the slate instead of heavyweights Nebraska and Colorado?

Missouri Schedule & Results
8/31 at Texas L, 10-40
9/14 Memphis L, 16-19
9/21 Clemson W, 38-24
9/28 at Iowa State L, 31-45
10/5 at SMU W, 27-26
10/12 Kansas State L, 10-35
10/19 at Texas A&M L, 17-30
10/26 Oklahoma State W, 35-28
11/2 Oklahoma W, 23-17
11/9 at Texas Tech L, 10-28
11/16 at Baylor W, 49-42
11/23 Kansas W, 42-25
6-6 (4-5)
So Missouri stands at just 2-5 after a tough loss in College Station. But the schedule is back-loaded for success, as only one of the final five opponents will become bowl-eligible. Mizzou knocks out both Oklahoma teams, takes out Baylor in overtime, and romps over a surprisingly bad Kansas team, and viola! Bowl eligibility!

(And in an 11-game scenario, Mizzou may or may not have scored that sixth win, depending on the team removed from their now 8-game schedule.)

Big 12ish Standings
Team Conf.
Record Overall
Record Real-Life
Record
Kansas State 9-0 12-0 9-3 (+3)
Texas 7-2 9-4 8-5 (+1)
Texas Tech 7-2 9-3 7-5 (+2)
Texas A&M 6-3 8-5 6-6 (+1.5)
Missouri 4-5 6-6 5-6 (+0.5)
Kansas 4-5 6-6 4-7 (+1.5)
Oklahoma 3-6 3-9 3-8 (-0.5)
Oklahoma State 2-7 5-7 5-6 (-0.5)
Iowa State 2-7 3-9 2-9 (-0.5)
Baylor 1-8 4-8 4-7 (-0.5)
Here's a good time to point something else out. From 1994 to 1999, Kansas State went 54-0 in the regular season against teams not named Colorado and Nebraska. Meanwhile, they went 4-8 against those two teams. In other words, living in a world without either the Buffaloes or the Huskers, the Wildcats would have run rampant across this conference. They would have absolutely DESTROYED this conference in the early years before Texas and Oklahoma got their footing (and even then, they'd still dominate quite a bit). We are left to wonder if recruiting would have gone to a bit of a higher level at this time, leading to a less severe drop-off after the 2003 season, but we won't explore that one too much -- we're only looking at the on-field what-ifs instead of the "in the recruits' homes" what-ifs, if that makes any sense.

Regardless, 1996 was a pretty unfavorable year to go undefeated. Heading into the bowls, Florida State and Arizona State were undefeated, and Florida and Ohio State each had one loss. There was an extra wildcard here too: Nebraska was 10-2, but they had been ranked third before getting upset by Texas in the Big 12 title game. The Big Ten title game in 1996 would have been an epic battle between Ohio State and Nebraska, and the winner likely would have passed undefeated K-State into either third or even second in the standings. With #2/3 Arizona State playing #2/3 Ohio State/Nebraska in the Rose Bowl, that would have left K-State with a chance to make a statement against #1 Florida State in the Fiesta Bowl. They likely would have failed, however.

Bowls*

Fiesta: #1 Florida State 38, #4 Kansas State 16
Cotton: #21 Texas 21, #5 BYU 14
Holiday: #13 Washington 27, Texas Tech 21
Alamo: #20 Iowa 23, Texas A&M 17
Aloha: Missouri 42, Navy 41

* We are working with the assumption that this weaker conference is still able to finagle bowl deals with the Cotton, Holiday and Alamo Bowls as the main components to their lineup. The Cotton and Alamo are obviously no-brainers, but there is technically a chance that the Holiday wouldn't have been tremendously intrigued with this lineup. Aloha Bowl too, for that matter.

In real-life, of course, Florida whipped Florida State in the Sugar Bowl and Ohio State beat Arizona State in the Rose Bowl, giving Florida an unexpected national title. With Florida State now playing a weaker K-State squad, they likely win and take the title, with the winner of Ohio State/Nebraska/Arizona State finishing second and Florida third.

Oh yeah, and ... Mizzou wins a bowl! Maybe. The Projected F/+ numbers say Mizzou would have eked by Navy, but ... well ... let's just say that after this past bowl season, quite a few Mizzou fans might disagree with that assessment.

In all, the conference goes just 2-3 in bowls. However, two unranked underdogs (Tech, A&M) show well against ranked opponents, meaning it's not much of a disappointment.

1997

With Nebraska (#6) and Colorado (#8) both ranked high to start the 1997 season, the conference once again does not have a marquee team. K-State has to replace quite a bit, so they start ranked rather low -- clearly they haven't earned the respect of pollsters yet. That will quickly change, but with Texas about to take a nosedive, there will soon be only one team truly deserving of national respect. Not good for a conference of ten teams.

Preseason Rankings
#12 Texas
#18 Kansas State

Missouri Schedule & Results
9/6 Eastern Michigan W, 44-24
9/13 at Kansas L, 7-15
9/20 at Tulsa W, 42-21
9/27 Ohio State L, 10-31
10/4 Iowa State W, 45-21
10/11 at Kansas State L, 11-41
10/18 Texas W, 37-29
10/25 at Oklahoma State W, 51-50
11/1 Texas A&M
W, 31-28
11/8 at Oklahoma
W, 21-10
11/15 Baylor W, 42-24
11/22 Texas Tech
W, 38-30
9-3 (6-3)
In a conference devoid of a second power, Mizzou does their best to fill that role. After a 3-3 start, they pounce on a significantly weak set of South teams, winning six in a row (all against the South) to end the season. There is no kicked ball here -- instead, they creep past Oklahoma State in the epic 51-50 OT game, sneak out a home win against a good A&M squad and feast on Oklahoma, Baylor and Tech. With no Nebraska, Mizzou thrives.

Big 12ish Standings
Team Conf.
Record Overall
Record Real-Life
Record
Kansas State 9-0 12-0 11-1 (+1)
Missouri 7-2 9-3 7-5 (+2)
Texas A&M 6-3 9-3 9-4 (+0.5)
Texas Tech 6-3 8-4 6-5 (+1.5)
Oklahoma State 5-4 8-4 8-4 (+0)
Kansas 3-6 5-7 5-6 (+0.5)
Iowa State 3-6 3-9 1-10 (+1.5)
Texas 2-7 4-8 4-7 (-0.5)
Oklahoma 2-7 4-9 4-8 (-0.5)
Baylor 2-7 3-9 2-9 (+0.5)
Mizzou, of course, does not thrive as much as K-State, however. The Wildcats finish their second consecutive undefeated campaign and enter the postseason with a chance for at least a split national title. In real life, Nebraska and Michigan split the title this season. However, they play each other in the Big Ten Championship now, meaning the winner heads to the Rose Bowl with a chance to clinch the national title, while the loser gets an at-large BCS bid. The Est. F/+ numbers LOVE this Michigan team -- they were by far #1. So we'll say they beat the Huskers (kicked ball karma!), who then fall to the Fiesta Bowl against K-State. If KSU beats Nebraska, and the Pac-12 champion (the winner of UCLA-Wazzu) beats Michigan, the Wildcats are national champions.

Of course, neither of those things happens.

Bowls

Fiesta: #3 Nebraska 49, #2 Kansas State 26
Cotton: #5 UCLA 45, #13 Missouri 28
Holiday: #18 Colorado State 31, #20 Texas A&M 17
Alamo: #17 Purdue 33, Texas Tech 27
Insight.com: Arizona 31, Oklahoma State 20

KSU's one loss in 1997 was a 56-26 debacle in Lincoln. In Arizona, the score is a hair closer, but it's still a dominating loss. Plus, Michigan handles Wazzu/UCLA, winning the national title outright and giving the Big Ten the top two spots in the polls. The Big Ten is thriving, while the New Big 12 goes 0-for-5 in the postseason. Mizzou gets to play on January 1 for the first time since 1970, but they can't handle Cade McKnown and UCLA (and if the Bruins beat Wazzu to win the Pac-12, Ryan Leaf and the Cougars likely do the same damage). And neither Texas A&M, Texas Tech nor Oklahoma State can prevent the conference from going winless.

Two years into the life of the New Big 12, things aren't going well for the conference -- only one team (KSU) finishes in the Top 15, and the Wildcats have not represented well at the top, getting whipped twice in BCS games. The conference is 2-8 in bowls, and while the unknown future turns out well -- Texas is about to hire Mack Brown, OU is a year away from hiring Bob Stoops, and KSU/ATM/Mizzou are all about to have solid seasons in 1998, things could not look more bleak. Everything people say about the Big East right now? They're saying at least that much about the New Big 12.

1998

Despite the postseason problems, KSU is still 24-2 in the last two seasons, and they return a majority of their difference-makers from the 12-1 team of 1997. Clearly they're seen as a top notch team. Meanwhile A&M and Mizzou return quite a bit too from solid 1997 campaign. Everybody else in the conference? Yikes.

Preseason Rankings
#6 Kansas State
#14 Texas A&M
#23 Missouri

Missouri Schedule & Results
9/5 Bowling Green W, 37-0
9/12 Kansas W, 41-23
9/19 at Ohio State L, 14-35
9/26 at Baylor W, 35-10
10/3 Northwestern State W, 35-14
10/10 at Iowa State W, 35-19
10/17 Oklahoma W, 20-6
10/24 at Texas W, 27-23
10/31 at Texas Tech W, 28-26
11/7 Oklahoma State W, 42-9
11/14 at Texas A&M L, 14-17
11/21 Kansas State L, 25-31
9-3 (7-2)
With a trip to Waco replacing the doomed trip to Lincoln, clearly things go better for Mizzou in 1998. They start 9-1, reaching as high as about sixth in the country, but a Top 10 showdown with Texas A&M is lost at the hands of Randy Potter (sorry, Randy F'ing Potter), and Mizzou falls a play or two short against K-State as well. Still, though, they are clearly part of a top-heavy New Big 12's upper tier right now. Mizzou, A&M and K-State manage to go 23-4 in conference (20-1 in games not against each other), while the bottom three teams go 3-24. The 1998 season is still full of killer what-ifs, but Mizzou's future as a top member of a decent conference still looks bright.

And ironically, while K-State now goes undefeated in 1996 and 1997, they do not in 1998, a year where they actually did go undefeated in real life. Why? Because of a trip to College Station, where we'll say that Sirr Parker still happens.

Big 12ish Standings
Team Conf.
Record Overall
Record Real-Life
Record
Texas A&M 8-1 11-2 11-3 (+0.5)
Kansas State 8-1 11-1 11-2 (+0.5)
Missouri 7-2 9-3 8-4 (+1)
Texas 6-3 8-4 9-3 (-1)
Texas Tech 5-4 8-4 7-5 (-1)
Oklahoma 4-5 6-6 5-6 (+0.5)
Oklahoma State 4-5 6-6 5-6 (+0.5)
Kansas 1-8 4-8 4-7 (-0.5)
Iowa State 1-8 3-9 4-7 (-1.5)
Baylor 1-8 2-10 2-9 (-0.5)
K-State loses to A&M sometime in late-October or early-November instead of early-December, and because of the way everything else shakes down (Texas finishing a game worse than they did in real life, for one), we'll say that while the Wildcats still get screwed out of a BCS bowl bid (the world is still stupid), they don't fall all the way to the Alamo Bowl.

Bowls

Sugar: #3 Ohio State 24, #8 Texas A&M 14
Cotton: #4 Kansas State 38, #25 Mississippi State 10
Holiday: #17 Missouri 31, #5 Arizona 14
Alamo: Purdue 37, #20 Texas 30
Independence: Mississippi 35, Texas Tech 18
Insight.com: West Virginia 31, Oklahoma 10
Aloha: #21 Oregon 43, Oklahoma State 39

This bowl season goes ... a little better for the conference. The top tier (KSU, ATM, MU) goes 2-1, with ATM scoring a respectable loss to a ridiculously good Ohio State team. (In real life, Arizona pulled an upset over Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl and would have quite possibly done the same against Mizzou, but the Est. F/+ numbers didn't like them very much, giving Mizzou an easy edge.) However, the conference still goes just 2-5 in bowls, putting them at 4-13 in three years. Ouch. Still, though, K-State finished in third in the final AP Poll, with Mizzou and ATM both in the #10-13 range. Thanks to the top tier, and Texas' sudden resurgence, things are looking much better for this young conference.

Of course, Mizzou is about to completely and totally fall off the map, even if Mizzou fans, in total denial (I know I was), don't know it yet.

1999

No Corby and Devin, no problem, right? I know that's what I thought at the time. Yeah, they were really good, but ... recruiting improves with winning, so the next guys will be just as good! Or not. Mizzou held steady until Kirk Farmer's gruesome broken leg, then the offense completely and totally disappeared.

In 1999, the South began to put things together. Texas' ship was being righted, and Texas A&M was still looked upon very favorably. K-State lost so many difference-makers that they once again started ranked rather low (and once again proved doubters wrong). Meanwhile, Nebraska (#6) and Colorado (#15) were both once again featured prominently in the polls. Without them, the New Big 12 once again had only three ranked teams to start the season.

Preseason Rankings
#7 Texas A&M
#17 Texas
#20 Kansas State

Missouri Schedule & Results
9/4 UAB W, 31-28
9/11 Baylor W, 49-26
9/18 Western Michigan W, 48-34
9/25 Texas L, 10-29
10/2 at Memphis W, 27-17
10/9 at Oklahoma State L, 38-41
10/16 Iowa State L, 21-24
10/23 at Kansas L, 0-21
10/30 Texas Tech W, 34-7
11/6 at Oklahoma L, 0-37
11/13 Texas A&M L, 14-51
11/20 at Kansas State L, 0-66
5-7 (2-7)
Upon beating Memphis, Mizzou is 4-1 on the season. That makes them 28-8 since the end of October 1996. It looks like the "sleeping giant" has officially awakened, and a mini-dynasty of sorts is being established in Columbia. Then Mizzou loses 15 of their next 19. Ouch.

Big 12ish Standings
Team Conf.
Record Overall
Record Real-Life
Record
Kansas State 9-0 12-0 11-1 (+1)
Texas 7-2 10-3 9-5 (+1.5)
Oklahoma 6-3 8-4 7-5 (+1)
Texas A&M 6-3 9-3 8-4 (+1)
Oklahoma State 5-4 7-5 5-6 (+1.5)
Texas Tech 5-4 6-6 6-5 (-0.5)
Kansas 3-6 5-8 5-7 (-0.5)
Iowa State 2-7 5-7 4-7 (+0.5)
Missouri 2-7 5-7 4-7 (+0.5)
Baylor 0-9 1-11 1-10 (-0.5)
Once again, Kansas State is untouchable atop the New Big 12. They have now gone 47-1 in the regular season since the conference's inception. Insane. Meanwhile, Texas has begun to put things together, and Oklahoma has risen from the dead in Bob Stoops' first season.

So K-State enters the bowl season with a shot at the national title, for the third time in four season. The Bill Snyder reclamation project that has become so revered in real life has taken on an even more epic aura in the alternate world of the New Big 12. Can they break through and actually win the title this time? No.

Bowls

Sugar: #1 Florida State 38, #2 Kansas State 27
Cotton: #24 Arkansas 27, #12 Texas 6
Holiday: Oklahoma 24, Washington 21
Alamo: #13 Penn State 24, #15 Texas A&M 0
Independence: Ole Miss 28, Oklahoma State 20
Insight: #25 Boston College 26, Texas Tech 21

That's right. K-State loses another title bid, and the New Big 12 once again sucks eggs in the postseason, going 1-5 in bowls. That puts them at 5-18 since 1996. Ugh.

Meanwhile, Mizzou's fall is no less precipitous in Alternate 1999. And it's not going to get any better in 2000.

2000

People often talk about the Big Ten's lackluster performance in bowl games through the years. Part of that is because their bowl affiliations are, honestly, a little too good. Their bowl participants are almost always ranked lower than their opponents, meaning they have to pull some upsets to finish over .500. We see a very similar trend with the New Big 12. Assuming again that they retain the Holiday Bowl, that means that they have sent unranked teams to face ranked opponents six times in four postseasons. In 17 bowls with at least one ranked team, their team has been the lower-ranked squad 13 times. The conference has not yet developed any consistent depth. But with Mack Brown and Bob Stoops on the scene now (in 2000, Brown was entering his fourth season in Austin, Stoops his second in Norman), things begin to change. And it all starts with the Sooners.

After a solid 1999 campaign, OU is ranked in the preseason for the first time in over half a decade. To say the least, they make the most of it. Meanwhile, Texas and Kansas State are both in the top ten; while Nebraska is the preseason #1, the New Big 12 is still taking steps toward respectability.

Missouri, on the other hand, clearly is not. It is Larry Smith's lame duck season, and not even offensive guru Bill Cubit can improve things.

Preseason Rankings
#7 Texas
#8 Kansas State
#19 Oklahoma

Missouri Schedule & Results
9/2 Western Illinois W, 50-20
9/9 at Clemson L, 9-62
9/16 Michigan State L, 10-13
9/23 at Texas A&M
L, 13-30
9/30 at Texas Tech
L, 21-35
10/7 Oklahoma State W, 24-10
10/14 Kansas L, 17-38
10/21 at Texas L, 12-46
10/28 at Iowa State L, 20-39
11/4 Oklahoma L, 10-46
11/11 at Baylor W, 47-22
11/18 Kansas State L, 24-28
3-9 (2-7)
You could make the case that, since Mizzou doesn't play Nebraska, Kirk Farmer therefore doesn't break his collar bone, and he is available to lead an improving offense the entire season. But Farmer never made it through an entire season healthy, so I don't know why we'd think he would have anyway. Fate says he breaks his collar bone anyway, and the offense (already with grind-it-out personnel adapting to the spread) just doesn't have enough juice to get anything accomplished. The three tough September road trips start the trend, and aside from a late surge (47 points against Baylor and a helluva fight against Kansas State), there just isn't much life here. As he did in real life, Larry Smith is dumped directly after the Kansas State game.

Big 12ish Standings
Team Conf.
Record Overall
Record Real-Life
Record
Oklahoma 9-0 12-0 13-0 (-0.5)
Kansas State 7-2 11-2 11-3 (+0.5)
Texas 7-2 9-3 9-3 (+0)
Texas A&M 7-2 9-3 7-5 (+2)
Texas Tech 5-4 9-4 7-6 (+2)
Iowa State 4-5 7-5 9-3 (-2)
Kansas 2-7 4-8 4-7 (-0.5)
Oklahoma State 2-7 4-8 3-8 (+0.5)
Missouri 2-7 3-9 3-8 (-0.5)
Baylor 0-9 2-10 2-9 (-0.5)
The Proj. F/+ numbers absolutely love this OU team, and obviously none of their new opponents would have been able to mount much of a challenge. OU still coasts to the BCS Championship Game...

Bowls

Orange: #1 Oklahoma 13, #3 Florida State 2
Cotton: #11 Kansas State 35, #21 Tennessee 21
Holiday: #8 Oregon 35, #12 Texas 30
Alamo: Texas A&M 30, #18 Northwestern 27
Independence: Mississippi State 34, Texas Tech 28
Insight: Iowa State 37, Pittsburgh 29

...and still wins it. K-State, meanwhile, loses twice in the regular season for the first time since the Big 8 was still in existence.

In all, the conference's depth starts to show here. Iowa State is improving, and they kickstart what becomes a 4-2 postseason campaign for the much-maligned New Big 12. Between the four wins and OU's national title, perceptions of this conference begin to change.

Next up: The Pinkel Era.

Let the record show you are so confident Nebraska won't win 11 games that you wouldn't even make it an even bet.

Yeah, I think the new big12 is gonna be a lot of fun. I like the 10 teams...

Especially after seeing how KSU was 47-1 in the first couple years of the big 12... they should have had a couple chances for championships... they got HOSED, Tommy.

2010 Kansas Football Schedule
Sept. 4 NORTH DAKOTA STATE
Sept. 11 GEORGIA TECH
Sept. 18 at Southern Mississippi
Sept. 25 NEW MEXICO STATE

Oct. 2 *at Baylor
Oct. 16 *KANSAS STATE
Oct. 23 *TEXAS A&M
Oct. 30 *at Iowa State
Nov. 6 *COLORADO
Nov. 13 *at Nebraska
Nov. 20 *OKLAHOMA STATE
Nov. 27 *vs. Missouri (at Kansas City)

heh. One final year with no Oklahoma or Texas!! Orange Bowl baby!!

probably not... early guess 6-6

In 1998 it wasn't College Station. It StL. The CCG was in STL.

this makes me happy :)

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...dd-houston/rss

Texas lawmakers pushing depleted Big 12 to add Houston
June 17, 2010
CBSSports.com wire reports

HOUSTON -- About two dozen Texas lawmakers are supporting efforts to get the University of Houston admitted to the Big 12 Conference.

State Reps. Garnet Coleman and Bill Callegari, both from the Houston area, co-wrote a letter Thursday asking Big 12 officials to consider adding the university to the conference.

"UH is the third-largest university in Texas, and is on track to rank among the top research universities in this state," the letter says. "Despite UH's local and statewide prominence, the university does not belong to a strong BCS conference such as the Big 12. The Cougars, the city of Houston, and the state of Texas deserve better."

Houston is a member of Conference USA and was a member of the Southwest Conference until 1995.

Conference USA officials did not immediately respond Thursday to messages left by the Associated Press. Big 12 officials said commissioner Dan Beebe was not available to comment.

The Big 12 is set to lose two schools after Nebraska committed to the Big Ten and Colorado to the Pac-10. Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has said the league has no plans to add any teams from within its five-state area, which includes Texas.

Coleman said he is not deterred by Beebe's stance.

"I don't quit," Coleman told the Houston Chronicle. "I don't start something I'm not going to finish. If I didn't think this was a worthy endeavor, I wouldn't have started it. This is the beginning of this effort, not the end."

fuggers are just gonna turn the big 12 into their own personal playground.

once you become someone's bitch, you're always someone's bitch


Texas AD "i've called this league wide conference call so that my secretary can make an announcement. Mr. Beebe would you be so kind."

Beebe "yes sir, i need to announce that the Big 12 is going to add 2 new schools to get us back up to 12 schools. Please welcome TCU and Houston to our conference, we think they will be valued members of the Big Tex err 12 conference."

Texas A.D. "Thank you Mr. Beebe. Also all school A.D.'s should be aware that the financial agreement is still in place for profit sharing. So Houston and TCU will be involved in a 9 school split of profits only AFTER the 3 tops schools(TU,A&M,OU) get their guaranteed 20-24 million."

Texas A.D. "oh yes, almost forgot ... if any of you scrubs don't like this new deal then feel free to leave for the MWC. Have a nice day"


*Click*

The Big 12 absolutely does not need anymore schools in their current state. I actually was happy to hear Beebe state that too. Adding an additional school from Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, or Iowa does not help this conference, at all.

Just because Texas lawmakers are pushing for it doesn't mean the UT ****s will push for it.

But if they do, obviously Beebe will, just like everybody else, do as he's told and get them added. And probably stick all the northern schools with any expenses associated with it as well.

...and all the fans of the North teams will then come out and say, "Actually, this is a pretty good deal..."

Sounds great to me!

We love the smell of Longhorn member in the morning.

Well, the fans won't, but the ADs certainly will.

I'm just waiting for the day Texas decides not to play road games anymore, because, well, why the **** should they be bothered traveling to any of those icky cold places?

I believe he means that we WOULD have gone to College Station to replace a game with NU or CU

Dude, have you read this thread? "We're getting more money!!!"

No, you've promised to (potentially) give up future revenue, two schools bailed, and you reaffirmed the numbers for future television contracts that would have happened regardless.

Oh, and all the North schools ended up looking weaker than ever.

Sweet!

In some ways I kind of pity Alden and all the rest of the ****ed 5 ADs. Must be like being Mayor of Chicago under Al Capone.

It wouldn't have happened if the league ceased to exist. I'll take my money and my membership in a BCS conference, thanks.

i expect the Big 12 basketball tourney to be relocated to Texas Stadium pretty shortly.

Dante says Texas Penis is better than no penis at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Laz, I swear to God, what in the **** would you have had the North schools do? Seriously.

Thank you, Texas, for still loving me!

And I agree, Metro, we had no ****ing choice. And that's just the bitch of it all.

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KU could have went to the Pac-10!!!1111

Thanks for the awesome answer to my question.

i wanted KU looking for another conference before and i still want them looking for a new conference NOW. If another BCS conference is interested in KU then i want them to tell Texas to go **** themselves with a "longhorn" and leave the Big 12.

i would rather take less money in the Big East and be treating like equal than get another 5 million and be considered a texass bitch.

how's that answer, Metrodick?


either way don't expect me to drop to my knees and suck longhorn cock because it's not happening. You want to be happy about being a foot-shuffling porter ... go ahead.

It's easy for you to say you'd rather have "less money" and go to the Big East.

a) Your dumb ass has no idea whether any of those BEAST rumors were true

b) You're not the one who will be firing a bunch of people and telling them "sorry, we didn't want to be Texas' bitch so you need to go find another place of employment because we can't afford to pay you any more"

c) You dumb ass wouldn't be standing there telling the fans "Sorry, we had to let Bill Self go because the University simply couldn't justify his 3 million a year salary any more"

Just shut the **** up, seriously. This is the real world with real repercussions. This isn't a dick measuring contest on ChiefsPlanet.

Once again... why the hatred towards Texas? What exactly did they do wrong here?

So they are the bad guy and deserve hatred on what grounds?

Yea, it is really really easy to be a message board "know it all" when stuff like this happens.

Yea I am sure it would suck being the AD of a big time University.

Heh.

Certain Mizzou fans are pissed because they flirted with the Big 10. What happened after that, who knows, but they are still pissed because they think they are bigger than they really are.

Certain Kansas fans just think they are bigger than they really are, even though there was no evidence of them ever being linked to a major conference.

I don't see any K-State fans pissed off at this deal.

ROFL

Besides bullying the little guys so they can make more money?

go **** yourself, seriously

if people were unhappy with the way the league was controlled by Texas before ... just wait it's x10.

Big 12 tourney will be back on rounds with a HEAVY south appearance and if we ever have a championship game again you can expect it to be parked in jerryland.

and every other conference decision will be approved by texas

you enjoy being a lil bitch so i fully expected you to not have a problem with it.

Ah, good ole Zackipoo, humping my leg again.

Well, I'll tell you, I'm sure Alden has a comfortable existence. I'm sure he makes many times what I do, has a giant house, a hot wife, maybe even hotter mistresses, expensive cars, a big desk with a cushy leather chair and a private bathroom that's probably bigger than my windowless interior office. He probably has a secretary he doesn't have to share with a bunch of damn lawyers who take priority, and she's probably hot, too. I guess he's probably got a big raise and a fat bonus coming, as well.

But I have one thing he doesn't - the respect of my peers. Do you think there's one other AD in the country who doesn't think Alden wears clown shoes right now? If Osbourne croaks tomorrow, do you think Alden's name will appear on the short list of possible replacements? Do you think he'll ever land a job at Michigan or Ohio State or Alabama? He's done. Do you think he goes home and thinks about how great his life is, or stews over getting punked by Osbourne and humbled by Dodds, and having it all reported on ESPN?

Yeah, money's nice. But so is pride.

You seem to think Mizzou was actually in some power position.

"Pride" could have easily led us to a lesser conference which would have brought considerably less money into the college and the community.

I am sure people who would have lost their jobs would have felt a lot better that message board idiots could rattle on about how so and so isn't sucking so and so's cock anymore.

Mizzou wasn't in a position to better their situation. That is the beginning and the end of it. No matter what fantasy world you and Laz create where you can be butthurt over anything and everything the decisions made at KU and MU were better for the institutions and their communities which are paramount over everything.

Nowhere in there was an actual answer to the question of what you would have actually done.

Mostly because we don't have the information.

It doesn't stop you from talking out of your ass but KU wasn't in a power position. Calling people bitches and making homoerotic comments doesn't change the reality of the situation schools like KU and MU where in.

A lot of people are dependent on the University of Kansas sports machine apart from the actual school.

Every single one of those people were winners in this situation.

Would you rather KU go to the PAC-10 (12) or Big 10 (12)? MU and KU to the Big 10 in a couple years would pretty nice.

I thought we already determined that KU would not leave KState behind.

Just wait for it folks...there will be more pissing, moaning, and homoerotic comments but they won't touch the reality of the situation which was each school did what they had to do in this whole ordeal.

that's just reeruned

the big east......facepalm my life..who in the **** was ku football going to recruit to play in the shitty, and far away football conference?

ut was in control of the conference before any of this happened...and it didn't affect you personally at all...

and it didn't keep ku from dominating and winning a title in bball...while stomping all over ut along the way...

your melodrama is ****ing pointless....and weird...and stupid

keeping the big 12 together is far and away the best thing for KU...KU should always be where ut is...that's where the money is, that's where the recruits are...

Blow it out your ass, Zackipoo. I don't live in Columbia or go to MU. I don't give a shit about new landscaping in front of chancellor's office or Alden's 401(k) plan. I care about football and about the program's national image, which is absolute dogshit right now. I don't care if you don't have any ****ing pride, that's not my concern.

I wanted the Big 10, a fresh start in a conference we'd have a better chance of winning in. I wanted Missouri to play games at stadiums that are an hour or two away from my house instead of six hours away from my house. I wanted to be able to watch the rest of them on TV every Saturday instead of hoping the MU might get picked up on a Fox Sports channel. And up until last Friday, it looked like it was all going to happen, but Alden didn't have what it takes to seal the deal and it all got blown away, and ever since there's been nothing but humiliation and groveling and Texas and Nebraska laughter, and you think it's supposed to be all better because some of our incompetent administrators are about to get raises and there might be enough cash left over to fill some potholes on campus? **** you.

I haven't been following the thread too closely. I thought KU was pretty close to jumping to the PAC-10 without K-State before the Big 12 was saved.

This frazod vs Zach feud is epic.

I was being facetious.

It's turned into Laz vs Metro. Shit is gettin' real!

I wanted the Big 10 as well.

NEWSFLASH KEYBOARD AD: THEY DIDN'T GET INVITED.

And you have no ****ing idea if it was Alden not sealing the deal or if they just played Missouri to do something else. You literally have no ****ing idea what is going on but you want to create fantasy so someone can be the villain. Only ignorant people go on and on about shit they don't know anything about.

If you think all the money Missouri would stand to lose by being in a lesser conference has to do with landscaping and a few people's 401k's then you have less understanding about this than I ever could have imagined.

It is great...a post before I called you coming in with a post that disregarded the reality of the situation and there you go spouting off about the situation in your fantasy land.

I would love to have the chance to beat up Houston every year.

they weren't

ku didn't have an offer to go anywhere unless UT was going...and then it was going to be a toss up between utah and KU

There's no need to get down on yourself buddy.

Yeah, but if they get the opportunity to leave, they weren't going to stick around for the sake of K-state.

Fiction vs Non Fiction is what it is.

ah...correct

Hey, good for you. More money for the school! Woo Hoo! So what if all the programs that have already been pounding us into the turf got even more? I guess the next time we get beat 60-10 by Texas you can go take a picture of a flower and sing a song and that'll make it all better for you.

Skip, if you're out there lurking, you were 100% right about this ****ing piece of shit. My apologies.

I think it's just a mindset for Mizzou and UNL fans. They just have it in their heads that they can't compete with UT. That's just not the truth.

It is about people's jobs...and the communities livelihood.

You really think going to a lesser conference would have helped recruiting, exposure, and basically ummm ****ing anything?

Are you so reeruned that you think anything away from Texas would have been better?

They did what is best for everything all around. If we get beat by Texas then it looks like we just need to get better at football now don't we?

You are too much of a pussy to just realize we can do things to improve our situation not blaming it on other people every time.

And you notice how you STILL haven;t come up with a better idea that isn't based on you injecting shit you know nothing about in the conversation? Seems pretty telling. You are just a know nothing loser who thinks he knows what it is like to make big decisions like this.

The victim mentality that exists with some Mizzou fans is maddening. They make us sound like complete pussies. I don't like associating with it.

Hey, when was the last time you beat anybody other than Texas?

I don't think this at all. I mistakenly believed--and part of me still does--that we could be somewhere between Texas and bitch status.

And this isn't being a "victim." At least not the way I perceive it.

Beat CU, ISU, KU and some other scrubby school and held the keys to the North until MU upset the Cats in Manhattan last November.

I have no illusions that KSU will ever be as good as they were in the late 90's through 03. Hell OU has whipped the Cats in all but one game. But that one game.... whoa what a game.

I don't think it's bitch status either. If you can compete with them in BBall then Mizzou can compete with them in any sport. Although I think it'll take a more of power running Mizzou team to do it. KSU always played a more physical game when they see the Orange.

:deevee:

Oh, little Zackipoo, I must have hurt your widdle feewings, cause aren't you the ****ing baby who always cries about everybody being soooooooooooooo mean? Now its pussy and reerun and loser bombs? That's not very nice, Zackipoo. I think somebody needs a nap and a timeout.

I'm glad there are sheep like you out there who are happy over the hit we took. Recruiting will already suffer. We've got a ton of exposure - all bad. It would take competent leadership years to get over this disaster, and we don't have it.

And bolding, underlining and italicizing your whiny crap doesn't make it impressive or worth responding to. Perhaps you should try some more caps lock.

I'm going to grill burgers now. Maybe you should go bake yourself some quiche.