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Chiefs Pantalones 06-23-2017 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 12928779)
KK also said that Dorsey was damaged goods because Hunt and Reid have disavowed him, and that other NFL teams might be reluctant to hire him.

Trent Green was on and basically said, in his nice way, that Kietzman was FOS.
Both 610 and 810 are so awful. 610's former athlete guests are Maas, Hughes, and the KSU guy that doesn't even watch football anymore, Lilja I think. So that's a guy that was doing coke at one point, a career special teamer and a guy that is just getting a check for nothing. They need to reboot or something. KC needs an upgrade in sports radio but with the market being like 32nd in the nation this is who you get.

ndws 06-23-2017 03:52 PM
Dorsey was a likable guy. Got to meet him a couple times. He took a picture with my son and later signed it for him. Down to earth guy, and just had that presence about him that he would be a good guy to work for (as long as you weren't a loafer).

Too bad, I really thought he was doing a good job. Guess getting rid of my season tix was the right thing to do after all.

Red Dawg 06-23-2017 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ndws (Post 12929036)
Dorsey was a likable guy. Got to meet him a couple times. He took a picture with my son and later signed it for him. Down to earth guy, and just had that presence about him that he would be a good guy to work for (as long as you weren't a loafer).

Too bad, I really thought he was doing a good job. Guess getting rid of my season tix was the right thing to do after all.
He is very good at finding diamonds in the rough for a cheap price but that is not the biggest part of his job. Contracts and filling the holes with vets is the bigger part and at that he failed bad because we never have money to spend.

Meatloaf 06-23-2017 04:07 PM
Now that I've digested this a bit, my next concern revolves around Dorsey's replacement. As we know, the Hunt family (and ergo the Chiefs) have been an ultra conservative group. Enter Dorsey who seemed to shoot from the hip a bit more than the"normal" Chiefs front office guy. So, is Dorsey's replacement going to be an organization friendly guy who seldom takes chances, or will it be someone a bit more free-thinking than the typical Chiefs GM. In my mind, someone going counter to the organizational personality is not all bad. Sadly, I fear we're gonna hire a former accountant as our next GM. Ugh.

Baby Lee 06-23-2017 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 12928692)
If that is true, then I think Clark is overvaluing the business side of being a GM and undervaluing the talent recognition side. So what if Dorsey offends the players a little when negotiating contracts. If Clark had to intervene to get the sides talking then fine. Maybe that's what he needs to be prepared to do going forward for negotiating major star contracts? Clark can help Dorsey out in that department, but he's not going to be of much use finding the next Kelce, Peters, Hill or Jones. Now, none of us know who is truly responsible for advocating for those players. Maybe those people are still with the team and we will be fine?

It just makes seems like a juvenile reason to let someone go over personality and mgmt style when they are producing a high quality product on the field. Do people love the Pats because Belichik is a nice guy and people think highly of the franchise? No, it's because they win championships. They win championships because they have Brady and can find talent in the draft and in strategic cheap free agents. I thought we were well on our way to replicating that model if Mahomes pans out, but now I have no idea. We will find out is Dorsey or Ballard were the keys to our draft and fa hits or if that person/people are still around.
This!! If this scuttlebutt has any accuracy, anyone who takes an emotional Berry over Dorsey on this issue can eat my whole asshole the next time they complain that we can't compete with the Pats, or that the Pats' dominance is unfair.

ToxSocks 06-23-2017 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929044)
He is very good at finding diamonds in the rough for a cheap price but that is not the biggest part of his job. Contracts and filling the holes with vets is the bigger part and at that he failed bad because we never have money to spend.
That's silly. Finding diamonds is what allows a team to not have to fill holes with vets and pay for over priced FA's.

Red Dawg 06-23-2017 04:13 PM
Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.

ToxSocks 06-23-2017 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929063)
Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.
That's exactly how you run out of money. Those holes MUST be filled with those diamonds that Dorsey finds.

We're against the cap because we have so many talented players. The goal is to draft star players and retain them. If you're going to draft an Eric Berry or a Marcus Peters then you better be prepared to pay them with the contract is due. Retaining a load of talent costs money and will put you against the cap. So you better hope you can fill the rest with cheap, ascending "diamonds".

Your recipe is the recipe for an average to below average roster.

What you're describing is basically what the Chargers attempted to do.

They have a few high priced guys and then went and bought a bunch of average players and did a piss ass job of drafting/signing cheap depth.

srvy 06-23-2017 04:20 PM
All these scenarios but none seem logical. This seems like it came on fast or no way they let Ballard walk if they knew the ax was soon to fall. You just dont let a guy like Dorsey go unless it was really really bad. Insubordination and loyalty could be the deal on this one and it may of boiled down to GB and other teams. Once he was caught the first time he surely was given a warning from CHunt. If he was caught a second time that is insubordination and being disloyal a cardinal sin to the Hunts.

Red Dawg 06-23-2017 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 12929065)
That's exactly how you run out of money. Those holes MUST be filled with those diamonds that Dorsey finds.

We're against the cap because we have so many talented players. The goal is to draft star players and retain them. If you're going to draft an Eric Berry or a Marcus Peters then you better be prepared to pay them with the contract is due. Retaining a load of talent costs money and will put you against the cap. So you better hope you can fill the rest with cheap, ascending "diamonds".

Your recipe is the recipe for an average to below average roster.

What you're describing is basically what the Chargers attempted to do.

They have a few high priced guys and then went and bought a bunch of average players and did a piss ass job of drafting/signing cheap depth.
What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929063)
Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.
Completely false.

Which linebackers were available this year that would have been upgrades?

The Chiefs weren't shelling out another $40 million dollar deal to a free agent guard when they extended LDT this year, extended Fisher last year and brought in Schwartz on a $30 million dollar deal in 2016 as well.

DaneMcCloud 06-23-2017 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929075)
What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.
Denver has QB's on rookie deals. Remove Alex Smith's contract and the Chiefs have $28 million in space immediately.

Silly comparison.

thegame214 06-23-2017 04:24 PM
Brett Veach is our new GM, but will operate same way as our "Offensive Coordinator" Nagy. Don't overthink this.

ToxSocks 06-23-2017 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 12929075)
What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12929078)
Denver has QB's on rookie deals. Remove Alex Smith's contract and the Chiefs have $28 million in space immediately.

Silly comparison.
And i would like to add that yes, we have premiere players on this roster. If your plan is to keep premiere players then you must pay up.

And yes, comparing it to something like Denver or Oakland is silly. Just wait until these teams have to pay for the contracts coming due.

Look no further than Seattle after Wilson got paid.

threebag 06-23-2017 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thegame214 (Post 12929079)
Brett Veach is our new GM, but will operate same way as our "Offensive Coordinator" Nagy. Don't overthink this.
Looks like the Walrus has seen his shadow, four more years of Alex Smith


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