I mean... I get he had a decent season last year, but does anybody ever trust Clowney? He's seen as this good solid DE and he's always been just kind of underwhelming.

I get that beggars can't be choosers, but I don't see it as a huge loss.

He was good last year cause of Myles Garrett. We have....Frank Clark. He would have been stupid to leave Cleveland.

This team is adding a quality veteran edge rusher via signing or trade before training camp (thinking one of Dunlap, JPP or Quinn). Wouldn’t be surprised with an additional signing of a quality interior pass rusher as well (thinking Suh or Hicks). We have the flexibility and have acknowledged the need. It’ll come together.

Don’t think they ever legitimately considered Clowney (and vice versa). Seemed like CLE all the way.


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Dunlap got the same number of sacks as Clowney last season without Garrett on the other side of him and he's still out there so let's hope Veach gets serious now. Browns have given Clowney 23m in two seasons btw.

According to Rapoport, Clowney turned down at least a couple multi-year deals worth $14-15M per year to take Cleveland’s 1-year deal at $11M.

First off, makes little sense from Clowney’s perspective. Second, a multi-year offer worth $14-15M per year for Clowney would be wholly inconsistent with everything Veach has done this offseason. Can’t imagine we were players.


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**** Suh, dude is not only super dirty, but bitch punched Patrick in the SB and no flag. **** that piece of shit.

Yeah, JPP came into the league with Spags (iirc)......

To be fair, Suh does that to basically everyone he plays against. Can provide cheap value/attitude on the interior.


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Good, they can have him. We have a bunch of high-motor guys, we don't need this lazy ass.

I was never some big lobbyist for Clowney, but it just kinda sucks to see yet another option taken off the table... its kinda like, welp!

True but KC has never wanted him. I’ll defer to Andy and Bart Verch.

We’ll be seeing Darrel early

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: FA RB Darrel Williams is signing with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AZCardinals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AZCardinals</a>, per source. <br><br>I’m also told Patrick Mahomes vouched for Williams, informing Arizona that he was a back he both liked/trusted. DW had a great season w/over 1,000 scrimmage yards, 8 TDs/zero fumbles (191 touches).</p>&mdash; Jordan Schultz (@Schultz_Report) <a href="https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/status/1529150809979736068?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Low key glad hes not back. He's decent and an ok all around back, but he will never be a difference maker.

I'd rather have McKinnon back

By all accounts he's just not highly thought of in the Chiefs organization. So I never really considered him a possibility. At 1 yr/$11 million he'd have fit under the cap just fine, but the Chiefs seemingly have little interest in him.

Quinn, JPP and/or Dunlop seem like the way we'll go.

JPP looked like a veteran that hit the wall last year.

If we sign Dunlop and/or trade for Quinn, we would probably be the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

Colin Kaepernick working out for Raiders.

Raiders trying to take the distraction off Mark Davis lol.

Why?

We don't need that worthless showboat.

Dumb move by Mark. He is such a PC guy.

Carr on notice

So hilariously stupid for the Raiders. Please, create a completely unnecessary distraction for your team. And also potentially detract from Carr’s confidence (even though there’s zero chance they’d put Kaepernick in a game considering he’s completely incompetent).


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Just remember what JMD did to Dungver.

I understand when a team is short on cap space, they can create a contract with some void years built in to allow the kicking of the can down the road.

BUT -

Cleveland Browns have $24M of cap space right now.

They created a 2022 contract for Jadeveon Clowney for $10 M that guarantees $9,250,000. The cap this year for Cleveland with this contract is $3,467.647.

Cleveland gets Clowney this year for about $3.5 but they are paying for it with 4 void years to handle the bonus money.

https://overthecap.com/player/jadeveon-clowney/2940/

I wonder because this is the Cleveland Browns. Is this good cap management built on future years of NFL cap growth? I know more teams are doing this, but it seems it eats away your cap in future years.

Better get Kyle Orton on the phone, Joshy

The San Francisco 49ers currently have the worse cap space in the NFL with $673,752.

If they cut QB Jimmy Garoppolo, they gain $25,550,000 of cap space and they only have $1.4 M of dead money for that move.

I'm guessing they want to trade him but not many teams really want him or can afford to add his $24.2 base. Maybe the Carolina Panthers but could just wait until he gets cut.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/san-francisco-49ers/

Probably should be careful about what I wish for, but I would rather play Trey Lance on Oct 23, so hope 49ers cut Jimmy.

I think they're a bunch of arrogant ****douches like that one guy in everybody's fantasy football league who offers you his kicker and a backup flex in exchange for Travis Kelce, then gets all huffy when you refuse and tell him that's a terrible offer.

"You're getting two players out of the deal! How is this not fair?!"

They probably saw all these veteran QBs going for 1st round picks and thought they should start the bidding at that level for a solid veteran who has been to two conference championship games and just wins baby! Not once did the Niners think that other teams might not want Janeane (or at least wouldn't be interested in paying that much for him) for the same reasons that the Niners don't want Janeane. And now it's gotten to the point where teams can smell blood in the water and will wait out SF's dumb asses until they're forced to straight up cut him.

I think, that they think, that people think, Jimmy is really good because hes the 49ers qb. He's and average NFL qb. Yeah you can make some Alex Smith type arguments about him winning, taking care of the ball, setting up the punt team or whatever. But the problem is there just arent a lot of teams that need QB's, and the ones that do pretty much have a patsy fall guy in place. If you know you cant win it all, why not not win with with Mariota for pennies on the dollar vs not win it all with Grapes for 25mil a year?

Overthecap.com usually does a pretty good job of tracking future NFL comp picks.

https://overthecap.com/2023-compensa...ate-5-24-2022/

They now have the Chiefs getting a 6th round comp pick for the Melvin Ingram loss and a 7th round comp pick for Jarran Reed loss.

It's not shown by the overthecap.com story because it is for players only, but we also have the 3rd round JC-2A pick for GM Ryan Poles going to the Chicago Bears.

Now all we need is to have Eric Bieniemy get an NFL head coaching job after this season to add to our comp picks.

Eric Bieniemy is the bestest, most superior coach in the whole wide NFL world and deserves to be hired as a head coach, and the Chiefs would like another comp pick. I guess that would actually be two. One in 2023 and another in 2024.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are turning to a new veteran for help on the defensive line.

Tampa Bay is signing former Bears and Saints defensive tackle Akiem Hicks to a one-year deal worth up to $10 million, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported, per a source.

The one-year contract value is slightly higher than the $9 million Ndamukong Suh earned with the Buccaneers in 2021, a season in which Suh recorded six sacks and 27 tackles in 17 games.

Hicks played in just nine games last year, finishing with 3.5 sacks and 25 tackles. At his peak, Hicks recorded 8.5 sacks and 15 tackles for loss for Chicago back in 2017, but hasn't broken four sacks in any of the last three campaigns.

https://www.nfl.com/news/bucs-signin...-one-year-deal

Ya I have to agree with you here about Mariota. I'm surprised his contract isnt higher tbh. I would think the going rate for a game manager QB would be in the neighborhood of 20m.

Anyone left?

I heard Kaepernick is still available.

Dunlap

I just cannot fathom the idea that if Clark get's injured again next season like he has for the last two years Veach and Spags would be happy to just throw George and Danna out there at end!!..that would be ridiculous imo.

JPP, Dunlap, Houston and Kerrigan are the only guys left on the shelf right now along with Suh for the interior. Something needs to give now.

Agreed. Or if Clark gets suspended…

Veach has almost always added a third/veteran edge during his time as GM. Whether that’s been a Taco Charlton, Alex Okafor, Melvin Ingram, Emmanuel Ogbah, etc. There is a veteran addition coming via trade or free agency.

Some Free Agent DTs left -

Ndamukong Suh

Larry Ogunjobi

Sheldon Richardson

Eddie Goldman

Chiefs DTs - Chris Jones, Derrick Nnadi, Khalen Saunders, Taylor Stallworth, Tershawn Warton, and Cortez Broughton.

It would be nice to have one more DT that teams might respect.

Maybe Khalen Saunders can do it, but would not bet on him.

I know many people on here have said they don't want DT Ndamukong Suh, but he plays game after game and gets after QBs with 6 sacks and 13 QB hits last year. It scares me when I see him chasing after Patrick Mahomes.

It is being reported that Raiders are trying to sign.

I wonder what kind of money it would take to sign. Wouldn't want to pay too much but would take him on the Chiefs.

His nickname is "Chief".

**** Suh

That's exactly what's going to happen.

Dude, you're ****ing miserable.

Once they get obj signed you gotta think there’s another move or two

I'd be plenty happy with signing Suh, he fits our trend of getting more physical.

How about a Robert Quinn trade? He doesn't fit Veach's youth movement but the dude had 18.5 sacks last year! Quinn's under contract for 2 more years with only an $11.3m cap hit this year and $6.1m the following year.

How about a 3rd + Mecole Hardman? He's in a contract year, the Bears need a WR, and Poles is familiar with him from his time in KC.

Karlaftis, Jones, Clark + Quinn & Suh!

For what he did to Mahomes in the Bowl, yes.

But I won't lie - I am intrigued at the thought of him and Chris Jones lining up next to each other, even if Suh is ancient by NFL standards.

....but not of getting younger.

He's cheap tho!

Suh hasn't been cheap. He was $9M last year with $6.8M of dead money for 2022. If Suh signs for cheap, it would be if he thought he could get one more ring.

I was actually referring to Quinn's $11m, but Suh's price isn't all that much either and we have $14.7m in cap space according to Overthecap.com.

I'm all for it, but Veach seems to have a "type" when it comes to FA signings at his position, and that type has been younger and cheaper than Suh to this point.

If Suh comes here, it will have to obviously be on a one year deal. But, maybe that's what Suh is looking for - a prove it deal on a perennial contender.

$14.7m Cap Space + $3.9m Hardman to CHI (+3rd Rd Pick to Chi) - $11.3m Quinn (2yrs on Contract, only $6m in 2023-4) - $6.8m Suh (1yr Deal) = $.5m Leftover in Cap Space

Tell both of them to play like it's a contract year bc we have Cap Space next year to extend/bring them back.

All of a sudden this defensive line is looking pretty scary and our defensive overhaul is complete on all 3 levels:

Quinn, Jones, Suh, Karlaftis + Clark

Gay, Bolton, Chenel

Sneed, Cook, Reid, McDuffie

I don’t know that I’m moving hardman for him. I mean the part where I think I want him here, and the part where I’d feel dirty sending him to die in Chicago.

18.5 Sacks!?

That season was exception, not the rule with him. He had 2 sacks the season before in 15 games.

Hicks has signed w/ TB - another option off the board.

2 sacks is also the exception.

Again, Quinn one of about a half-dozen guys in NFL history with multiple 18+ sack seasons on his resume. He's had as many seasons with 18+ sacks in his NFL career as he's had seasons with fewer than 5 sacks.

Realistically he's probably a 9-10 sack guy most seasons. I'd say he's a higher ceiling version of Tamba Hali.

This exactly. He’s a huge POS and he has tried to injure Mahomes on multiple times. The punch in the SB with no flag. And of course this unflagged bullshit.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Suh punch tackled Mahomes and put him in a choke hold after and there was no flag. 🤷*♂️ <a href="https://t.co/fRPDKCb1FO">pic.twitter.com/fRPDKCb1FO</a></p>&mdash; Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1064706281573892096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

**** Suh, don’t want him.

I heard the Raiders are taking a look into signing him. I'd rather have him put Carr in a headlock than Mahomes.

I’ve said it multiple times.

****. Suh.

I very much agree with this. I'm just not willing to pay for 18.5. Im willing to pay for the likely 10 sack guy.

People have unrealistic thoughts about "10 sack guys".

They're ****ing hard to come by and if you get one it's gonna cost.

10 sack guys cost differently than 18.5 sack guys though.

Especially when theyre on the back 9.

I dont know whats realistic for him, if i recall right hes got one year left at a reasonable price.

Vikings signed WR Albert Wilson, formerly of the Dolphins, to a one-year contract.

Wilson, 30 in July, parlayed a 42-554-3 line in 2017 with the Chiefs into a four-year, $17.75 million deal with the Dolphins as a free agent. He ended up catching a total of 94 balls for 955 yards and five touchdowns across 34 games for Miami, missing all of 2020 after opting out due to COVID concerns. In Minnesota, Wilson will compete for fourth wideout duties behind Justin Jefferson, Adam Thielen, and K.J. Osborn.

What a wild career. Mahomes literally made it with one game. Wilson, Pringle and Dieter are probably car salesman without him.

THere just aren't many "18 sack" guys out there though. It's all gotta break perfectly to get to that many. Look at history and guys who are 9-10 sack per year guys are the ones that can get to 15 or more.

Not saying we need an 18 sack guy, although it wouldnt hurt. I'm just saying i dont want to pay through the teeth for a guy like quinn. He's good no doubt, but i dont want to give up Khalil Mack like comp for a guy whos got like a 2% chance to repeat the numbers he put up last year.

Then there's what the Chiefs think of Kaindoh and Malik Herring's progress

Not sure we can do anything until Brown Jr's contract is negotiated, and he doesn't have an agent yet.

Dieter probably IS a car salesman. About the only bank he made was a couple of playoff game checks in Pat's first year as a starter.

Doesn’t the practice squad pay like 250k a year? That’s considerably more than the average person leaves college to make. He should be set up to do well if he’s smart at all with it.

Gehrig Dieter hasn't gotten rich in the NFL but he has made some money and has gotten to hang out with Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce for a few years.

2017 - $122,400 cap + $5,000 cash

2018 - $169,412 cap + $76,000 cash

2019 - $72,000 cap + $92,471 cash + $32,000 cash + $100,588 cash

2020 - $39,706 cap + $228,318 cash + $228,318 cash

2021 - $165,600

Gehrig has made a total of $1,331,813 from 2017 to 2021.

Info from - https://overthecap.com/player/gehrig-dieter/6109/

I would play football for this amount of money.

Apparently the Commanders don't plan to sign Daron Payne. Might be an option I suppose.

They've gotta figure out the pass rush though. Surely there's a vet move coming at some point.

Brown dragging his feet figuring out his agent is holding funds hostage.

We have anywhere from $13-$17 million in available cap space with Brown at his tag figure.

He’s not the holdup on addressing the DL.

Veach in his glorious interview said that right now they can afford to make a “smaller move” but after a Brown extension he would have the resources to make a “much larger move”.

He wasn’t beating around the bush, he was very clear and he has a long history of “telling it how it is” in these interviews.

Well, there's no free agent out there worth anything big. So it'd have to be a trade.

Teams usually don't trade much post draft because you're a year away from getting to use said draft picks.

Bosa getting QB money?

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Schefter reporting the Rams are giving all-pro DT Aaron Donald a two-year, $60 million extension, per sources.


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Not an extension, per se, except probably for cap spreading purposes. He had 3 years 55 million left and they turned it into 3 years 95 million.

How long are we gonna be forced to look at that avatar? It’s gotta be over soon, right?? ROFL

Bets been over for about a week.