You seem to have a really hard time understanding the concepts of cost control and age, don't you?

And, not surprising given the ass kicking you took in that thread, you completely misunderstood and misrepresented what I was saying about KC vs. St. Louis. You think that St. Louis has some kind of intrinsic market advantage, and that's just bullshit.

You seem to have a really hard time understanding the value of prospects. Until they get to the majors and prove something, their value is very low, because the bust rate of all prospects is so high. Regardless of their status as a prospect. Tavares hasn't had to make an adjustment to his swing thusfar in his career. You simply don't know how well he will hit at the next level where he will have to make adjustments. There is a gulf of difference between AAA and the Majors. Further, you are acting like he's the next surefire Trout or Harper. But he's not. Basically, you should probably stop casting stones about who knows or doesn't know baseball, because from where I am sitting, you don't know your ass from your elbow.

That is just patently false. Jurickson Profar and Mike Olt were floated as an idea for Giancarlo Stanton and Ricky Nolasco and the Rangers didn't want to make that move.

It's not the same as it was three years ago when you can trade for a player and recoup a first and a sandwich pick if he signs elsewhere. Prospects are worth more now than they have ever been.

I'll tell you this about Taveras: he's going to be a consistent .280-.310 hitter with 25+ HR power and six years of cost control. That's millions of dollars in surplus value that can be used to improve other areas of the team.

It's about surplus value, and paying Gordon 8M to produce 25m in value leads to something called a "surplus". But I realize you don't know this concept. A good prospect hasn't produced anything of value let alone any surplus (as others already pointed out with Hos et al).


You're just a dork who overestimates his own players. Most fans are like you.

And here's the bet:

Does Gordon produce more surplus value when getting compensated 9+MM per year for three years than Taveras does getting 400K for six.

Math is your friend, mmkay?

(BTW, Gordon's numbers are declining for the second straight season)

Alex was te college POY, #2 draft pick, and won BB Americas POY his only season where he hit 29 home runs. It's taken several years to get to finally be an All Star.


But according to this idiot, the Cards prospect is going to walk into MLB and go 300-25 every year. Something Alex has never once done. Someone needs to give Hamas an elbow to the face

It's not unheard of; it's just unheard of for your players. That's not my fault; it's the fault of your scouting and player development.

:LOL:

Well said!

Gordon and Hosmer were properly scouted, and I don't think, developmentally, the organization did anything wrong with these two.

Prospects simply don't always pan out as expected, even elite-level position players.

And the Rangers are ****ing idiots not to ship prospects to acquire Stanton.

It's unheard of across baseball, save for Trout and Miguel Cabrera.

Carlos Beltran has 1 season of .300 & 25. But this clown will do it annually. You're not just a fool, you're a really bad homer.

As Royals fans you'd think other fans would listen to us about highly touted prospects not working out as expected.

Rick Ankiel will win 20+games annually!

Other teams do it right; the Royals are flawed.

Making this argument about "pitching prospects"? OK. The team clearly cannot develop a pitcher. But position players are little more difficult to **** up. This is more about scouting, in my view.

Basically, Hamas's expectations for Taveras are exactly what Royals fans expect Myers to be, and this is precisely why I flipped my shit when the trade was made.

Now is the point where I inject some nuance, so prepare for your pea brain to explode.

Carlos Beltran hit .275 in 2006. He also got on-base at a .388 clip and hit 41 homers.

Anyone would take that over .300 and 25.

Taveras' batting stroke projects to a .280-.310 hitter and he has easy 25 HR power. He's also a fairly disciplined hitter with good command of the strike zone. I'd damn sure take a guy hitting .270 in a year with bad BABIP luck over a guy hitting .290 and walking three percent of the time (like one of your personal saviors) if player A is walking three times and often.

I'll put it this way: Taveras projects as an .850+ OPS corner outfielder with plus defense, or the ability to play center.

And given the Cardinals' recent history of developing their players, I'll trust that projection, although I understand why Royals fans would be jaundiced, as you've pimped the likes of Kila Kai'huae, Mike Moustakas, Lorenzo Cain, Alcides Escobar, and countless others as difference makers, not AAAA players.

I hate to break this to you, but your failure rate isn't just related to the cream of your crop.

Look, the Royals are ****ing terrible at drafting and developing players.

There are several potential reasons why this could be:

1) Systemic flaws in your minor league development system (which you all seemed to agree with a month ago when you fired those buffoons teaching your ML hitters, BTW)

2) Poor scouting

3) Bad luck

Almost all seem to be willing to pass it off as 3). Do you think that teams like the Rays, A's, Pirates, and Cardinals are just luckier than you? The only black cloud I see hanging over Kauffman is one of incompetence, not misfortune.

Lumping Moose in with guys like Cain and Kila isn't really accurate. Moose is on another level as a prospect... and he would be regardless of the team he belonged to. Plus, he hit 20 HRs last year at 23 years old. Way too early to throw the bust label on him yet.

That one stung. Fortunately, the Cardinals are able to replace their Section 8 pitchers.

Hosmer and Myers will be the real case studies in terms of player development. Moore's biggest problem, it seems, is that he doesn't seem to scout particularly well at the college ranks (Colon, Hochevar, Crow, etc.).

This deficiency was masked by the fact that he had a metric shit ton of high picks, artificially inflating the rankings of the system.

Hosmer and Myers, however, were considered elite prospects by pretty much everyone. Should they fail, player development will have to be the bane.

I've resigned to the fact that the Chiefs/Royals are going to be mediocre the next 50+ years of my life.

I don't need fans of rival teams to come in here to continue to bash my brains in. It hurts enough as it is!

That's fair, but would it be reasonable to call him a disappointment relative to his hype?

That's not why I was in this thread. TBH, I respect a lot of Royals fans like duncan_idaho, DeezNutz, lewdog and many others who know what they're looking at and can view the game analytically.

The reason why I jumped into this fray is because some disphit claimed that the Cardinals should trade for Greg Holland and Ervin Santana, giving up Taveras in the process. Then another dipshit claimed Salvador Perez was worth more than the Cardinals' entire farm system.

That kind of wanton idiocy cannot be tolerated. Were I Stalin, those ****ers would have been immediately collectivized into biomass for the compost heap.

No doubt about that. Especially in year 3. But there's a huge list of guys who don't really break out until 26/27 years old. You can still see he has power... it's not like he's Sean Burroughs or something.

Hey Hamas, let us enjoy our misery in peace. STFU!

Yes, unless he can start figuring out how to be quicker to the ball and use the whole field.

I know you're a good dude. And I don't dislike many if any of you Cardinals fans - just Cards fans who are also Mizzou fans.

If one of the dipshits you're referring to has the initials "PB" you should probably ignore him forever. He's wrong more often than not. So, I would no longer expend any effort conversing with him.

He has power, but I wonder if it's more than 25 HR power. I'd be far more concerned by his batting approach. Dude hits a lot of groundballs, doesn't hit an overwhelming number of his flyballs out, and his LD% is pretty average.

Heh, yea no doubt. Honestly, there is no reason the Royals can't be more like the Cards. The difference is ownership and management. The small market excuse doesn't fly anymore.

The Royals are just a dysfunctional organization top to bottom.

Whew good thing you're not Stalin.

Ok, sure, he will waltz in and do 850 OPS every year. Just like Oriole fans said Dylan Bundy would win 15 every year, on and on.


Sorry but I don't ever "pimp" anyone. If you read the KU tread I'm even cautious about Andrew freakin Wiggins. Players have to accomplish something before I worship them, but sadly you're different. That's why you are a homer.

Moose hits a ****ing ton of pop-ups that stay on the infield. His IF/FB percentages have been 27%, 22%, and 21% in his three years; the ML average is 13%.

There is a difference between worshiping someone and recognizing that they have plus-plus scouting reports in their ability to hit for average and power.

I'm not surprised that this is lost upon you.

Is the game not on TV tonight? If so, what channel?

Doesn't look like it. On MLB.tv there's only a MLB.com feed.

Tribe in 1902 all blue throwbacks.

I've got MLBtv and it is the mlb broadcast with the Cleveland radio team.

What the hell? Saturday night and NO game on TV? Cardinals are the national game, I don't want to watch that...

Same here, didn't realize it was the Indians radio crew.

**** the RedTurds

Maybe they'll play better if we just ignore them tonight....

I'm watching so no doubt they lose.

Gordo, holy ****!!

Now they are blacking it out? This happening to anyone else?

Well, this is frustrating.

Mine is working for me.

http://www.vipboxonline.eu/baseball/...am-online.html

Here's a stream for those in KC.

Thank you!!

once again we are losing......

Quick 4th inning for Guthrie.

lol, dude is pumping up Moustakas like he's a good player or something and he goes down swinging. This team is embarrassing

So how many innings have we gone scoreless now?

21

Guthrie settling in now. Another 1 2 3 inning.

Will it matter? They already have 1.

Hey, it's almost the all-star break. Season is over.

wow, Billay with a groundball to SS to end the inning.....haven't seen that before this season

David Glass probably nixed the idea of the Royals in throwbacks. Too expensive.

Yep, only about the 75th time he's rolled over on a changeup this year. A changeup up in the zone as well. All is good though, CP tells me Butler is having a fine year!

So, what, 22 scoreless now?

The only throwbacks the Royals buy are guys like Miguel Tejada.

Well, ****.

The real Royals are in the house.

Season over. If Moore was smart, he should do as much selling at the deadline as he can. It's obvious what this team is now, and it's no better than what we're used to.

Yep, get what you can for Santana and Butler.

Glad our stupid GM traded the future for a team that wasn't ready.

Great job guys

Dayton won't sell....he's trying to make sure this team is near .500 so he can save his job

Clean house fire the gm and yost.

How many times has Moose "popped up" this year? A billion?

I'm fine with shipping Santana, but Butler has very little trade value, and is worth more to us than to anyone else. Trading Butler would be pretty foolish.

Bring on training camp.

and they're on TV.

Whooo....we scored!!

This is my fear.

Score and inning?

top 7th. 2 out Hosmer up 2 on. 5-3 tribe

Thank you

Runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out.

Rewind! I wrote this May 20 after Chisenhall was demoted. Chisenhall was sent down hitting 20-94 (.212) with a 3-22 BB-K rate and a ~600 OPS. Since his recall, he's gone 20-71 (.282) with a 5-11 bb-K rate and ~800 OPS.



But Dayton said he couldn't send down Moose because "there's no substitute for facing major league pitching". Right? Isn't that right Dayton?

Moose pops out in foul ground, again.
Tejada with an unlucky out, lined hard to right and caught by a diving Santana.

Well, if we get swept by the Indians, Moore must embrace the idea of becoming a seller. See ya Santana/Chen/Hoch

Nobody wants our trash dude. The only piece we have is Santana, period.

Moose is 4-for-65 with RISP this year.

Have I mentioned lately that Chris Perez can kiss my lemony fresh ass?