Well they might be able to.

It'll take 3 schools to turn the trick, but they could pull it off.

Mizzou fans are just upset that there is already a team of their equal sitting in their still warm chair.


And the talk that Mizzou will maintain a consistant Texas recruiting pipeline makes me ROFL.

feeling are mutual buddy...

Most of us really dont give two shits about it. Most of it is made up fabrication by people here..

Where are OU and UT going to go? The SEC? The PAC is now out of the question.

Not that this is the driving factor because it's not, but you do realize that the combined academic standing of the conference has taken a serious hit with the departures of Colorado, A&M, and Missouri?

There is no way for any of us to know what the final figure could be in the SEC. We don't have to say the final figure for Mizzou because in THAT conference, they share equally...what a concept? Once the SEC Network gets going, all bets are off. The conference will print money. The Big 10 Network has been good to the BIG, but the SEC Network will be even bigger.

For the Mizzou fans who are wishing to stay put...it's based on nothing but wishful thinking and fond memories of a conference that no longer exists. The Big 8 was terrific. The Big Tex conference sucks and has sucked since Texas took over.

Anybody in KC who can't see that it was freaking Texas that moved the tournament the first time, moved the conference offices, etc. It's all Texas. Anybody who could leve the Big 12 either has or will in the not too distant future.

Texas sucks!

I think most of the St. Louis talk about not supporting MU is bc for whatever reason MU can't seem to recruit the top basketball players from St. Louis.

I know the B1G isn't really an option. But when conferencemageddon 2010 was going down, I could look at Mizzou to the B1G and say "ok, that makes sense". I don't have that feeling with the SEC.

And I agree that we're probably past the point of no return. I'm just concerned that we're leaving for a conference that isn't a great fit. The strength and viability of the SEC is encouraging, but that's no guarantee that it will be a successful move.

Can't wait to see what excuses the hypocrite media comes up with when TCU and WVU come into the Big XII and get smashed...look at the ****ing cupcake conferences they've been playing in.

I'm just glad this shit is almost done so EVERYONE can move on.

Just hope we don't have to wait until 2013 to move to the SEC.

Just to clarify. It looks like in 2010 MU made a profit on football of $11,618,417 - adding your estimates to it....

You expect MU football to jump from $11 million to $41-$51 million?


For the record, $41 million would put you ahead of Alabama, Tennessee, & Auburn in the SEC. $51 million would make you the 2nd most profitable program in the SEC behind Georgia.

Yes.

I really care about academics when it comes to my Saturday entertainment.

Really.


All kidding aside, all that I want is good sports. That goes for over 95% of the country. I still have yet to figure out what academics or money have to do with any of this when it comes to the fans.

It's not putting a single penny into any of our pockets.

Here's something that I think is kinda strange, and it's a point I made last season during the B1G thing:

Why does everyone keep saying "it's all about moneyA" without acknowledging where that money goes and what it's used for?

You're absolutely right that it's all about money - but here's the thing: General revenue cannot be used for athletic programs (well, not above a certain nominal threshold). If you're Missouri and you want to upgrade your facilities, it has to be done through private donors or revenue generated by the programs themselves.

So yeah, of course this is about money. But why don't we say what the true end game is? It's about larger facilities. It's about upgraded amenities. It's about new and improved athletics complexes and additional exposure.

It's not about increasing profit. It's not about downsizing staff. It's about improving the University of Missouri. It's about trying to give us an advantage in an environment where there are precious few places you can actually gain a competitive advantage if the geography doesn't allow for it.

So yeah - keep on calling it a money grab if it makes you feel better. But that's simply ignoring the fact that money means something very very different for a major university than it does for a Fortune 500 company or a private individual. It means the ability to elevate the school.

DeezNutz, do you think anybody on here cares about conference academic standing? BTW, nice move to leave the Bugeaters off the brain list. They got kicked out of the AAU at just the right time. If it had happened a year earlier, they would have never been invited to join the BIG. As it is, they are the "Cousin Eddie" (Vacation movies ref) of the BIG.

ku fans would not admit they were butthurt if they were demoted to D2. I don't think even the most delusional Mizzou fan expected ku fans to bow down and admit how pissed they are that we left for the best conference.

Projections based on reworking television contracts, I'm sure.

Thats all on Oklahoma. They could have stuck with the Big 8 schools on voting issues but chose to side with Texas.

Do you even pay attention to college football?

The PAC is absolutely not out of the question. They could also go the the B1G or SEC.

Given your history in this thread, I'd get out of the prediction business if I were you.

Not much.

But the last thing isn't entirely true.

Exactly. Shitter's full.

I can definitely agree with that

I have those concerns as well and I anticipate we will take a step back, but hopefully only a small one backwards before we step forward... ala Arkansas. And as much as people bash Ark, you look at their recent history in the SEC and they have been pretty solid... that's what I am looking for from MU with of course pipe dreams of something bigger.

We do.

http://blogs.courant.com/uconn_footb...mb-372x247.jpg

I didn't think I would have to explain this, but if the SEC reworks their TV deals, every other SEC member will also see a revenue increase.

This.


And **** Texas for causing this bullshit. I would have preferred to have Mizzou in the 12, but this shit that Texas has caused has brought out the worst in all of us.

Personally I don't give a rip what happens after we move on. We upgraded, a the big whatever is okay... Fine. Enjoy it. Everybody wins.

I don't think there are any mizzou fans who care about WV. why would they? The core issues are the same, they have a better offer, and Texas and OU won't be around forever and you don't want to be there when that happens.

:rolleyes:

Unless the fanbase is Oakland, I do not think this is the case for any team.

There's actually a very good answer to that.

Most of it is because Norm had an icy relationship towards the end of his tenure (I believe he had a falling out with a Vashon coach who was a major AAU guy in the area), Snyder then tried to recruit nationally and neglected STL altogether and MA pretty much just recruited relatives and folks from Alabama.

It's been a coaching issue over the last 10-15 years in STL. It's actually a very sore subject among the MU faithful; we're all equally perplexed that the MU coaches aren't working harder in STL. It has nothing to do with the personality of the city, but with the negligence of the coaching staff.

Are you kidding me?

Yeah must be nice beating up on Colorado St, Air Force, South Florida, UCONN, etc. for years for those two teams.

Have those two schools had big wins? Of course. You can't tell me this isn't a big step up in competition though.

The PAC is out of the question. Do you pay attention?

Well, thank goodness we have Haith. (pukes)

You belong to a conference for two reasons:

1. Money
2. Scheduling convenience

That's it. The rivalry thing is woven into the scheduling convenience. If any of you think that any other reason trumps either of those two items, you are deluded.

DJ's point is spot on. Look at what South Carolina and Arkansas have been able to build (both facilities and program) since joining the SEC? It's sick. Both schools are far better off than they were.

This has NOTHING to do with grits or sweet tea. Eat and drink what you want...I want what is best for Mizzou, period.

I'm sure a move to the SEC & the creation of an SEC network will immediately put MU into the top 10 in profit for football.

WVU/TCU = 4 BCS bowl games and 1 final four in four years

MU = 0 EVER!

Some figures I've heard (from a buddy who works in administration/donations at Mizzou):

Current deal is expected to pay out around $18 million/team at 14 teams. However, the SEC is expected to renegotiate first tier rights with the addition of 31 million people to its home-state footprint (which is around 60 percent of current footprint, if I remember correctly). This should bump things up to around $24 million/school.

The rest of the potential bump would come from the creation of an SEC network, which Slive plans to do with the increased TV markets.

I think $30-40 million is an extremely high estimate. Something like $30 million total is more likely when all is said and done.

It's hard to project on these contracts, though. A lot of moving parts.

For right now? Yea it is. In the future? No. These situations are so dynamic.

You know what used to be absolutely out of the question? The idea of Texas letting TCU join the B12.

If you had said $30 million total, I could see that.

Good luck. You guys will need it.

They've been angling for an exit for years. For big money schools with football programs like that, there will be options. They were just very nearly gone. It will happen eventually. You guys won't understand until you come home to the note on the kitchen table, but trust me, they don't love you. They've been running around on you for years.

And love idiots like you that think TCU is going to get smashed. We've beat the big teams and our recruiting classes keep getting better.

3 straight years Texas has been trying to get out of the Big 12.

LOOK AT WHERE THEY'VE BEEN PLAYING..of course the path to the BCS is a lot easier.

TCU is the flavor of the month...you really think they're going to be able to consistently recruit in the Big XII and compete? Come on now.

Texas and TCU were in the SW conference together. TCU being left out was political, much like TT being admitted.

I think that they will compete, but beating the big teams week in and week out is a whole different ball game.


BTW, I am happy as hell to have TCU in the 12. :thumbsup:

Serious question, no BS or shit slinging intended.

Are the mass of MU fans glad to be leaving because of the angst over the Texas schools running the conference, or are they just wanting a fresh start in the SEC?

I went to South Bend last weekend and walked around their campus.

It's pretty incredible, it really is. That said - there was nothing about it that couldn't be duplicated. The stadium was actually a relic (they did a 'Soldier Field' style facelift by adding an additional facade around the outside of the stadium). But they just built a Hockey Complex that was just stunning - HOCKEY! The basketball arena is next. And all of it is around a massive quad that is simply stunning. The entire area is a HUGE boost for the overall attractiveness of the University.

The proposed renovations at Arkansas are similar.

If this was couched as "Move to the SEC and they'll upgrade every building, all the equipment and all overall attractiveness of the University" it would be pretty hard for people to call those that were in favor of the move a bunch of greedy assholes - but that's exactly what a "money grab" means in this context.

This is all done to make the University better.

You beat Wisconsin...stop it.

It will be a huge, difficult, long term challenge but we the fans are looking forward to it for those same reasons.

I hope you succeed. And yes, it will be tough as hell.

For me, mostly the former. There is no security with Texas holding all the cards here in the long term. There just isn't. It will be fun playing new teams and venues, kinda like watch Nebraska go against teams in the B1G.

They're in Texas. They'll get all the recruits that MU and aTm won't get anymore.

This is going to turn into a cluster**** for aTm and MU.

Basically, you're saying is that you don't pay attention to college football.

wrong, and wrong. you haven't even paid off mangino, and nothing in zengers contract prohibits him from firing anyone.

Yes, because Texas is THE end all to recruiting. There are no good college players anywhere else but Texas. And really, what Texas kid would want to play outside the Big XII, right?

Just a question...

Do you follow college football recruiting closely? Have you read interviews with recruits from Texas about Missouri in the Big 12 vs. Missouri in the SEC?

And I'm not upset about WVU. Good for them. And good for the Big 12.

I just think many are vastly overselling the Big East as a football conference. It has been pretty weak since losing Miami and Va. Tech to the ACC.

I can't wait for the Huggy Bear/Martin reunion!

No you're right...I forgot all the "big teams" TCU has pounded...

UNLV, Wyoming, New Mexico, etc.

Hell you probably didn't even know those were MWC members so **** off.

Increased revenue, increased facilities, and the adrenaline that the move will inject into the fanbase, the boosters and the program at large.

This is an opportunity to really improve the program a great deal. It might backfire, we might get destroyed - shit could happen.

But you can't pass on the opportunity to greatly improve the University here.

We are glad to be leaving because in the long term this will make the football program better. Recruiting will be better, the infusion of money will help the program, and we expect 10 years and farther down the road Missouri will rank higher on the national stage because of it. It gives the school a better chance to build something national championship caliber.

Of course its a long way to the top, this will be the football equivalent of the Manhattan project for Missouri. But its awesome to see the school welcoming that challenge. We are excited because we look down the road at things like playing an exciting conference schedule and playing with those teams each year. Maybe a stadium expansion. Bowl respect. Being title contenders one day. There is really no down side. This is a promising new era.

I believe you mean Baylor......

We will see how it turns out in the long-term with recruiting.


Big East sucks, and WVU is doing the same thing Mizzou is doing: Trading in their chance at a BCS game for more stability.

Mizzou won't sniff a BCS game playing in the SEC. WVU probably won't sniff one in the Big 12 unless they have a KSU-esc run and play amazing when it counts.

Oh that was several days ago, it has grown. Next week it will be 60 million guaranteed.

Soooo.....you admit the SEC is more stable than the Big XII?

Doubtful, since the strong conferences will continue to increase revenue as well.

However, the Big 12 will be lucky to hold on to what it has already tricked the networks into promising.

****in' A it is, and I never said otherwise.

TCU is not going to out-recruit Texas A&M in Texas. Not on a consistent basis. This is a great move for the Horned Frogs, who are going to recruit better in Texas now, but if you follow Texas recruiting closely, you'd know that Texas A&M is the favorite for any kid who doesn't pick OU or UT.

More money. More tradition. Better facilities.

Where TCU is going to do better is recruiting against the likes of oSu and Baylor and Texas Tech and Missouri and Arkansas and LSU. They'll win more of those battles (though they've won a lot of them, regardless).

I won't argue that there won't be kids from Texas that choose someone else over Missouri. But I will argue that it's being vastly overstated. Also, Missouri will have much better secondary recruiting areas after Missouri/Texas (LA, FLA, GA), which it will have to use to make up the gap).

:LOL:

Can't argue with this.


And they will probably get some of those 2 and 3 stars that KSU and KU used to get.

This...

I would move KU to the SEC and bail on the Titanic 12 in a ****ing heart beat...

Would give two shits about any rivarly or team left behind...

They could, actually.

TCU is right there in Dallas; it's in a great spot. It won't start out-recruiting A&M over night, but as the rivalry between the Aggies and Longhorns starts to diminish (and it will; as will MU/KU), the kids that get turned down by UT won't be so eager to go to A&M and 'show them what they missed'.

In fact, TCU could end up that destination school.

TCU has made a HUGE move to get into the IIX. I think they're absolutely poised to become a viable replacement for A&M in Texas. They'll likely never come as close to a national championship as they did last season (really just one or two breaks and they're in that title game), but they'll have better teams and a better program (hmmmm...sound familiar?)

And yeah, they'll make recruiting Texas a little bit harder for the folks that already did well down there.

Good thing we're going to have some new recruiting grounds to sniff around in

There's no stability, anywhere. What happens the day the SEC writes Vanderbilt a letter, or the Big 10 to Northwestern?

"You're good schools, but you're not in our plans for the future of our athletic conference."

Truth.

There is obviously a little hate towards Mizzou for doing exactly what we all wish our teams even had an opportunity to do.


BUT, I still believe Mizzou would have gotten into the 10 or the SEC if the Big 12 fell apart anyway. I think the well-deserved Texas hate just expedited the process.

aTm is already bitching about recruiting. Waaaaaaa!

Just busting balls. YOUR BALLS. BUSTED.
Yeah, if Iowa State hasn't gotten that letter yet, noone will. (ducks from incoming barrage from Ames)

aTm isn't going to recruit as well now? Holy shit! The Big IIX is the European League, and the SEC is the NBA, and you think players would rather play in Europe. Keep ****ing that chicken, Stu.

....and just to be clear, I don't begrudge TCU or WVU at all for the move.

I just find it comical that these national talking head idiots for the most part believe Mizzou will be dead and buried because they're stepping up in competition but TCU/WVU are making a bigger step up in comparison yet no one is killing them. The hypocrisy bemuses me...

Please Deaton end this shit...

You have to get them out my wife's purse, first. :D

Just let me know when the last time a school was actually thrown out of a conference and I'll get back to you (oh, and Northwestern is a crown jewel of the B1G, but that requires knowledge and you clearly lack it, so don't worry about that)

The best way to stay in a conference? Make sure the conference remains in existence. The best way to get tossed out of a conference? Have it dissolve.

The shit you'll make up in support of a point is just comical.

That will probably happen on the same day that the Big 10 and Pac 10 write Mizzou checks in the hope that one day the Tigers will join their conferences.

Yeah, they only have 23 commits and the 6th overall ranked class at this point.


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