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stonedstooge 02-14-2014 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10433854)
So apparently the "Reins are off" of Duffy........but then they talk about him being in the bullpen or maybe even AAA. WTF??


http://www.kansascity.com/2014/02/14...her-danny.html



If Duffy doesn’t win the job, his next step will be compelling. The Royals have yet to decide on a subsequent path, general manager Dayton Moore explained on Friday morning. Duffy could operate as a dynamic left-handed weapon in manager Ned Yost’s bullpen. The other choices to pair with southpaw Tim Collins are Francisley Bueno, Donnie Joseph and Everett Teaford. Duffy possesses a momentary appeal in this role.

Yet Moore reiterated how Duffy is critical to the Royals’ long-term planning, and his success as a starting pitcher is paramount. The organization visualizes Duffy, Ventura and fellow top prospect Kyle Zimmer all part of the rotation in 2015. So a stint in Class AAA Omaha might be more conducive to Duffy’s advancement. There is concern a bullpen stint may heighten his struggles with location.
Didn't they test him enough last fall? Let's see what he's got

tk13 02-14-2014 09:29 PM
If this thing is going to work at least two of those guys are probably going to have to make it. They just have to. It's why I'm not heartbroken over the Santana thing. It's hard to win that way... even big market teams have to develop starters. We haven't done it yet.

Deberg_1990 02-14-2014 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10433948)
If this thing is going to work at least two of those guys are probably going to have to make it. They just have to. It's why I'm not heartbroken over the Santana thing. It's hard to win that way... even big market teams have to develop starters. We haven't done it yet.
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Brianfo 02-14-2014 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10433948)
If this thing is going to work at least two of those guys are probably going to have to make it. They just have to. It's why I'm not heartbroken over the Santana thing. It's hard to win that way... even big market teams have to develop starters. We haven't done it yet.
Uh this. X11tinty billion. Some of the kids have to produce. Have to. Otherwise, we had fun. Be back in 2020. Chit or get off the pot.

Brianfo 02-14-2014 10:16 PM
Summer of 2014 will be epic!!!
 
We are poised. Stars are lining or so I think. I have convinced{or brainwashed} my whole family. Gonna be a fun year. We have tickets to opening day at the K. See you there.

MeatRock 02-14-2014 10:18 PM
I will say this, If the Royals can resign Shields in the next off-season, I would love to see a rotation of Shields, Vargas, Duffy, Ventura and Zimmer. I think that rotation has great potential with cheap good pitching in the bottom half.

Brianfo 02-14-2014 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MeatRock (Post 10433989)
I will say this, If the Royals can resign Shields in the next off-season, I would love to see a rotation of Shields, Vargas, Duffy, Ventura and Zimmer. I think that rotation has great potential with cheap good pitching in the bottom half.
Let shields walk. Too much coin. Throw kitchen sink at Hosmer and see what happens.

MeatRock 02-14-2014 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Brianfo (Post 10434002)
Let shields walk. Too much coin. Throw kitchen sink at Hosmer and see what happens.
We have to see what Shields is looking for. That rotation could be sick in 2015 though as long as our pitchers develop and pan out.

MeatRock 02-14-2014 11:07 PM
Not to mention we have Manea waiting in the wings. Hope i spelled his name right. :shrug:

alnorth 02-14-2014 11:26 PM
Its different from about 5-10 years ago.

Right now, even if the Royals shit the bed in 2014, we've got a metric ton of young players who can step up and keep hope alive in 2015-2016. Back in the 2000's, when you looked at our roster and our minor leagues, we were staring at a river of putrid suck, and trying to convince ourselves that the talent sewer might not be bad.

duncan_idaho 02-15-2014 08:28 AM
The Royals need:

One of Duffy, Zimmer and Ventura to be a star, ToR type of pitcher.
One of Duffy, Zimmer and Ventura to be at least a good No. 3 starter

One of Manaea/Almonte to be a good No. 3 starter.

Success in 2015-17 is going to depend in large part on how those things work out. You like having the depth, but TINSTAAPP is still in play.

I like that most of these guys are more advanced than there counterparts in 2011, but there still is the potential to get burned.

DeezNutz 02-15-2014 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 10433854)
So apparently the "Reins are off" of Duffy........but then they talk about him being in the bullpen or maybe even AAA. WTF??
AAA makes sense if he's not in the rotation when the club breaks camp. There is simply no question that the prep and training needed to be an effective starter is different from the skill set demanded from an effective bullpen arm.

Putting him in the pen would be the type of move for an all-in, win-now season.

Thus, the lack of certainty at this point is pretty understandable. We are in a win-now mode, yet we do need to see the big picture, too.

Tough call.

TLO 02-15-2014 10:09 AM
Shields/Vargas/Guthrie/Duffy/Ventura would be my 5 man rotation. I doubt it plays out that way though.

DeezNutz 02-15-2014 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10434477)
Shields/Vargas/Guthrie/Duffy/Ventura would be my 5 man rotation. I doubt it plays out that way though.
That's mine, too.

Chen provides an excellent option for long relief out of the pen to cover some learning pains from the back end.

BlackHelicopters 02-15-2014 10:36 AM
It is time to see if Duffy and Ventura can handle it.


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