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PAChiefsGuy 11-01-2016 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnV (Post 12521192)
Im a 49er fan and it was the right move because 49ers weren't winning a SB with Alex. 2011 was his best chance, 2012 and 2013 playoffs weren't ideal situations for him.

In 2012 the offense was putting up more ppg and yards with CK, but the defense was non existent after Justin and Aldon Smith injuries. No defense = no SB for Alex.

2013 playoffs the RBs struggled. Gore only had like 10 yds aagainst the Seahawks. Alex's usual 100 yd performance against them wasn't going to get the job done that time. No run game = no SB for Alex.

Since we never would of won with Alex, it absolutely was the right move. Yea CK sucks now, but it doesn't even matter anymore, we need to start allover, it's as close to a talentless team as it gets. There's just no reason to want or have Alex. His style would result in 5 wins max without talent to carry him.

Stop making this more complicated than it needs to be.

You keep the QB who is better, Alex is clearly the better QB. You guys made the wrong decision which is one of the reasons Harbaugh got fired. Only reason Kap was successful early in his career is because he was better at running that gimmick offense that defenses hadn't figured out.

As soon as defenses figured out that offense, Kap sucked. Aaron Rodgers even politely alluded to this and Richard Sherman constantly said this. Both were right.

You guys absolutely could have won the SB with Alex. It wasn't his fault Kyle Williams muffed the punt twice in one playoff game.

Sandy Vagina 11-01-2016 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12521194)
Stop making this more complicated than it needs to be.

You keep the QB who is better, Alex is clearly the better QB. You guys made the wrong decision which is one of the reasons Harbaugh got fired. Only reason Kap was successful early in his career is because he was better at running that gimmick offense that defenses hadn't figured out.

As soon as defenses figured out that offense, Kap sucked. Aaron Rodgers even politely alluded to this and Richard Sherman constantly said this. Both were right.

You guys absolutely could have won the SB with Alex. It wasn't his fault Kyle Williams muffed the punt twice in one playoff game.

THIS guy knows ^.

Ancient history. Move on from it already.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-01-2016 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Dole (Post 12521140)
They hate winning?

Bob Dole is saying they are just as stupid as the ones here clamoring for Foles.

Clear enough now?

CP's voice of reason

Mother****erJones 11-01-2016 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12520663)
I don't think a guy with 35 starts to his name has reached his peak.

Not to mention last year he was in STL. QBs go to die there lately
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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12520709)
Derek Carr and his 500 yards, 4 TD and AFC West lead is laughing at your stupid post.

KC destroyed Oakland on the road man. For once give them credit.

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-01-2016 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee (Post 12520877)
DILLIGAF?


YOU, called ME . . . a Smither. Shit don't fly.

I strongly think Smith is the right man for the position, and deserving of respect as the man in that position, . . . AS A CHIEFS FAN.

Smither. :D

Sandy Vagina 11-01-2016 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12521225)
Smither. :D

At least Baby Lee still supports the team, regardless of the QB, Phil. You're just a hater "that doesn't care", but yet, can't stay away. ROFL

Sweet Daddy Hate 11-01-2016 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12521226)
At least Baby Lee still supports the team, regardless of the QB, Phil. You're just a hater "that doesn't care", but yet, can't stay away. ROFL

JFC, are you on "Smith Defense Patrol" 24/ ****ing 7 a day?

Get a goddamned life, already.

Sandy Vagina 11-01-2016 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagnabit (Post 12521227)
JFC, are you on "Smith Defense Patrol" 24/ ****ing 7 a day?

Get a goddamned life, already.

I get up early and stay up late just to defend my boo!

:p

KCUnited 11-01-2016 06:34 AM

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JohnV 11-01-2016 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy (Post 12521194)
Stop making this more complicated than it needs to be.

You keep the QB who is better, Alex is clearly the better QB. You guys made the wrong decision which is one of the reasons Harbaugh got fired. Only reason Kap was successful early in his career is because he was better at running that gimmick offense that defenses hadn't figured out.

As soon as defenses figured out that offense, Kap sucked. Aaron Rodgers even politely alluded to this and Richard Sherman constantly said this. Both were right.

You guys absolutely could have won the SB with Alex. It wasn't his fault Kyle Williams muffed the punt twice in one playoff game.

The thing is he was better with that team. More points and yards. 30+ ppg in the playoffs with the defense playing horribly. If we had that offense in 2011 we don't need to worry about KW.

I think you're in a similar situation now. You have a lot of talent that Alex is holding back, and you have a QB that could use it much better. Yes he sucked on a bad rams team, but you have so many weapons Foles could flourish, like CK did. To me it's a no brainer you see what Foles can do , because the chances of winning it all with Smith are so slim, there's just no point in banging your head against that door anymore. Pretty much how most 49er fans felt when we finally got rid of him.

Sandy Vagina 11-01-2016 07:34 AM

This post is full of flaws, and for a number of reasons, John.

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Originally Posted by JohnV (Post 12521233)
The thing is he was better with that team. More points and yards. 30+ ppg in the playoffs with the defense playing horribly. If we had that offense in 2011 we don't need to worry about KW.

You are reflecting back to a time when CK was yet to be fully figured out and exposed for what he was. If CK had that 2011 team, it would have been a disaster. He didn't know what the hell he was doing, and half the team didn't either, in that yr 1 scheme being installed. Kaep survived primarily due to his backyard balling ability that NFL defenses made effective efforts in snuffing out now.

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Originally Posted by JohnV (Post 12521233)
I think you're in a similar situation now. You have a lot of talent that Alex is holding back, and you have a QB that could use it much better. Yes he sucked on a bad rams team, but you have so many weapons Foles could flourish, like CK did.

Foles could be good here, sure, but for altogether different reasons. Foles doesn't offer the threat to run or scramble around sacks that CK did. They are very different QBs. You talk about "so many weapons could flourish", but with Smith, you KNOW the ball will be spread around to all the weapons. Andy Reid's play designs also have a lot of say in who will get the ball.

Foles could just end up being a blind deep chucker with a half-dozen game-changing ****ups. He might hit on more of the big shots than Smith, but also throw games away on other attempts. With Houston's return, and the defense tightening up, is that really the risk Andy should be taking? What would his players say? Sets a shitty example.

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Originally Posted by JohnV (Post 12521233)
To me it's a no brainer you see what Foles can do , because the chances of winning it all with Smith are so slim, there's just no point in banging your head against that door anymore. Pretty much how most 49er fans felt when we finally got rid of him.

Again, not the time to be experimenting, if your regular QB is healthy. This same QB with an outstanding, 3rd best win % in the league for 4 years. 16-3 record in the last 19 games?

Winning it all is slim with Smith? Sure... if you conveniently ignore the remarkable injury list of key Chiefs players that piled up in those big games.

Foles has a good arm, and a willingness to go deep. That is appealing.. and even Alex was beginning to show confidence in his targets on deep routes. Foles, I like.. but it's not worth taking the risk on, unless Smith proves unhealthy or ineffective.

So far, Smith has been both durable and effective for the Chiefs. Now, they just need to get and keep their key players healthy.


... and I have to ask, why are you even here? A 49ers fan that registers to a Chiefs site to talk about a player you are happy to be rid of? Man, you must have one hell of an investment in this.

threebag 11-01-2016 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ASS11 (Post 12519646)
If the Chiefs throw Smith back out there in harm's way...I'll be looking forward to it.

:facepalm:

You should be looking forward to time on another board. STFU with your bullshit

JohnV 11-01-2016 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 12521264)
This post is full of flaws, and for a number of reasons, John.



You are reflecting back to a time when CK was yet to be fully figured out and exposed for what he was. If CK had that 2011 team, it would have been a disaster. He didn't know what the hell he was doing, and half the team didn't either, in that yr 1 scheme being installed. Kaep survived primarily due to his backyard balling ability that NFL defenses made effective efforts in snuffing out now.



Foles could be good here, sure, but for altogether different reasons. Foles doesn't offer the threat to run or scramble around sacks that CK did. They are very different QBs. You talk about "so many weapons could flourish", but with Smith, you KNOW the ball will be spread around to all the weapons. Andy Reid's play designs also have a lot of say in who will get the ball.

Foles could just end up being a blind deep chucker with a half-dozen game-changing ****ups. He might hit on more of the big shots than Smith, but also throw games away on other attempts. With Houston's return, and the defense tightening up, is that really the risk Andy should be taking? What would his players say? Sets a shitty example.



Again, not the time to be experimenting, if your regular QB is healthy. This same QB with an outstanding, 3rd best win % in the league for 4 years. 16-3 record in the last 19 games?

Winning it all is slim with Smith? Sure... if you conveniently ignore the remarkable injury list of key Chiefs players that piled up in those big games.

Foles has a good arm, and a willingness to go deep. That is appealing.. and even Alex was beginning to show confidence in his targets on deep routes. Foles, I like.. but it's not worth taking the risk on, unless Smith proves unhealthy or ineffective.

So far, Smith has been both durable and effective for the Chiefs. Now, they just need to get and keep their key players healthy.


... and I have to ask, why are you even here? A 49ers fan that registers to a Chiefs site to talk about a player you are happy to be rid of? Man, you must have one hell of an investment in this.

Yes I agree CK was yet to be figured out, which is why he was able to put up so many yards and points and give us a better chance to win when we were in win now mode. I wasn't saying if he started in 2011 we surely win, i meant if Alex could of put up 34 a game in the playoffs like Colin did we wouldn't have to worry about KW. The Swain excuse doesn't fly, he had Vernon MC and D walker, our top pass catchers from the 2012 run.

I understand Alex has won in the past 5 years, but so did CK when he had good coaching, run game and defense, and he's not a good QB. I think you should experiment with Foles, because unless your defense reaches historic levels you're not missing out on anything more than an early playoff exit benching Alex.

BigCatDaddy 11-01-2016 08:46 AM

5 years later 9er fans taking their battles to a Chiefs message boaed.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 11-01-2016 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12521353)
5 years later 9er fans taking their battles to a Chiefs message boaed.

Durrrrr durrr durrrr


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