Mike Slive is the Thomas Jefferson of Conference presidents.

Chuck Neinas is Chester A. Arthur.

'nuff said.

Thank God that someone hasn't invented "Smellivision" yet. LMAO

That's hilarious. The die has been cast. Missouri is not staying. Whomever these "sources" are should be relegated to the dumbass category.

Actually, that's the part that will be staying the same. :)

You seem to think magic wands are available for this. If adding another team means the other East teams have to add or drop a non con opponent, those type of negotiations do require some time. The less notice you give a non con, oftentimes there are penalties associated. Those dropped teams are then forced to scramble and find another team to play. Its not just a simple process of "insert Missouri here".

Why would adding another team force anyone to drop a non-con?

If they stick to 4 non-con games and play 6 'divisional' games, they have their 'rival' game against the other division and an additional non-rival game across the division (crosses fingers; hopes for Ole Miss...).

Sooner or later they'll likely switch to 9 conference games and 3 non-con, but absolutely nothing that happens over the next couple of weeks would mandate that.

Yeah, it probably is just a simple process of 'insert Missouri here'; especially since it would actually make conference scheduling much easier on balance. They could have it knocked out in a matter of hours, really. A computer algorithm would spit out a bunch of alternatives, they'd probably be able to boot several of them out immediately and have a schedule voted on and finalized by the end of the day.

It wouldn't be that difficult at all.

Does this mean that MU started the whole conference realignment 15 years ago with it's initial flirting with the Big 10?


http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/...ckval=GooglePM


Deseret News, The (Salt Lake City, UT) - January 16, 1993

MISSOURI INTERESTED IN JUMPING TO THE BIG TEN


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</td><td class="basic-title" colspan="2">When University of Missouri officials talk about the Tigers' athletic future as it relates to the Big Eight, they use words like ``content'' and ``satisfied.'' They bring out the superlatives when that future is related to the Big Ten.``The Big Ten is uniformly high-quality public research universities,'' Chancellor Charles Kiesler said. ``That's what we think we are. When we...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/sp...r=4&ref=sports

West Virginia Close to Leaving Big East for Big 12

By PETE THAMEL

Published: October 25, 2011

West Virginia is headed to the Big 12, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation, a move that leaves the Big East with five football programs and an uncertain future. The person said Tuesday that the Mountaineers had “applied and are accepted,” leaving only legal entanglements from making the move official. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been formally announced.

West Virginia is the Big East’s flagship football program, and losing its consistently strong performance will hurt the conference as it seeks to hold on to its automatic Bowl Championship Series spot. With the departure of the Mountaineers, who must pay a $5 million exit fee, the conference’s football members are Rutgers, Louisville, South Florida, Connecticut and Cincinnati. That gives it the same number of football teams it had when Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech departed in 2003.

The only good news for the Big East is that the Big 12 planned to stay at 10 teams for now, the person said. That will spare the Big East any more critical losses and give it a chance to build into the 12-team model that it would prefer.

While Missouri, a current Big 12 member, has yet to announce that it is applying for membership in the Southeastern Conference, that move is still viewed as inevitable. The Kansas City Star reported Tuesday morning that Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton said it could be “days or possibly a week or two” before Missouri’s application happened.

Legal problems are holding up Missouri’s move, as it has to negotiate an exit fee, and there is a concern among Big 12 teams about how to fill the void in their schedules that Missouri would leave. That creates two problems, as universities will have to scramble to find another opponent, perhaps from the Football Championship Subdivision. A victory over a team from that level would not count toward a Big 12 member’s bowl eligibility. It will also cause the Big 12 to fall short of fulfilling its television contract. Both could be costly for the league.

The SEC made it very clear during its courtship with Texas A&M that it would only accept the Aggies without legal issues, so Missouri must take care of those before joining.

The Big East now moves toward putting together its proposed 12-team model; it hopes to add Air Force, Navy and Boise State in football and Houston, Southern Methodist and Central Florida in all sports. With West Virginia gone, the new team most likely to emerge as a possible member would be Temple, which has received resistance from its Philadelphia rival Villanova. But with the league’s future in peril, it is hard to imagine that Villanova would have enough influence to thwart Temple, which boasts a rising football program, a strong basketball program and the Philadelphia television market. East Carolina and Memphis would be other candidates. Both have openly lobbied to join the Big East in the past.

Awesome upgrade here!

Yeah, just sucks that they're so far away. :(

Instantly the most scenic area of the Big XII after Colorado left.

I believe that both Kansas and Missouri were trying to join together.

OK, but that is predicated on "ifs". I remeber reading that the conference schedule finalizations were coming up, which I believe what prompted Neinas to say he didn't think MU would be able to leave for next year, to which Alden said they still could. Also, the official word out of the conferences so far is that they haven't made a 14 team schedule (although I highly doubt that). Without knowing the structure of that schedule, there could indeed be deadlines, but they could be internal deadlines like, "If they join by this date, we'll do this, this date, we'll do this, and then by this date, they'll just have to wait until next year".

My point is, the SEC wants to get things finalized as well and I'm sure they are working with MU in determining when they would like this business finished up, to which, I'm sure MU is trying to comply. The Big XII isn't going to do anything to appear as though they are pushing them out, so most of the time constraints are on MU.

Big time upgrade. Wonder why both the ACC and SEC rejected them since they're such an upgrade.

I guess the conference didn't suffer any damages since they were able to upgrade. Everybody wins.

A win/win!

PLEASE GOD BE TRUE

And until BYU is persuaded to join.

I want BYU for its media outlets...

That's like wanting Texas for the LHN.

I am good with the move as long as they don't have a "We think we are important" attitude.


That shit gets old real fast.

If WVU was an upgrade then the SEC would want them. The SEC doesn't.

Yeah pretty much that but not even close...

BYU has a channel on DTV on the Sports Teir and a radio network on siriusxm.

The program is most definitely an upgrade. I'm not sure about the TV sets, though.

The ACC took Pitt.

:LOL:

Performance on the field means very little.

How does that help the rest of the conference?

Yeah, the SEC doesn't care about its football brand.

What conference are you talking about?

The ACC is a joke.

Big12 if BYU joins. Not that hard to follow, man. :)

unlike some of the other moves, this choice sounded like it actually had to do with academics. Mizzou=good, WV-bad, and the SEC needed that sort of upgrade unlike all the other conferences.

WV competes in both football and basketball, its an upgrade IMHO. if it weren't for the KU/MU rivalry, it would be a no-brainer.

Damn dude, seriously? Why would he care about the Big 12 and its media rights.

I know what conference he is talking about, I know what angel he is using trying to talk about Texas and its LHN.

But why do you want BUY for their media outlets? How would BYU having it's own radio/TV channels benefit the B12?

Needed an academic upgrade? Does the Big XII now require an academic upgrade since they will only have 2 AAU schools and will add a very poor academic university in WV?

WVU is more accomplished and has a richer football history than Mizzou. That being said, Mizzou has been on the upswing and WVU hasn't exactly dominated a weak conference the past 5 years.

That's correct. TV market share is not as good as Missouri, which is why I think the Big XII needs to look at going back to 12. That's the reason the SEC wants MU, they want to start a network like the B!G and they need the market share.

They have three, KU, ISU and UT. Mizzou's upswing (if you can call it that this year) is in serious jeapordy as they will try and transition to new recruiting grounds while losing influence in Texas.

I don't understand how the Big XII would benefit from BYU's media deal. As a KU fan, you said you were excited about its media outlets. I don't see how KU stands to benefit.

I don't think they do, but you seem to see it differently. I'm cusious as to what I might be missing, as I don't know a lot about the situation. From where I sit, it's the LHN with magic underpants instead of a belt buckle.

The deals are done.

Check the logos

Big 12 will have 3 AAU's after Mizzou leaves - Texas, KU, and Iowa St.

The deals are done.

Check the logos

I'm not enamored with BYU either. I'd rather see them take Cincinnati and Louisville. They lose two major cities in KC, MO and St. Louis and are replacing it with Morgantown. Adding those two city schools gets a presence in major cities as well as new recruiting states. Utah is not a recruiting hotbed.

But WVU should transition seamlessly as they replace the dregs of the Big East with the Oklahoma and Texas schools.

And over the last five years WVU has won 49 games in the craptastic Big East versus Mizzou 48 in the same timespan.

Let's not even get into WVU's inability to admit the SEC academic casualties now that they have to operate under a real conference's academic requirements....

This factor has been severely overstated.

If Missouri were going somewhere else (Big Ten, Big East, PAC) it apparently would be an issue. Actual research and conversations with Texas recruits show that moving to the SEC is not a severe problem for most of them.

There are a few guys the Tigers will miss on (probably 1-2 a year) because they're in the SEC rather than the Big 12, but projecting a drastic drop-off is not based in fact.

I was beating this drum before I embraced the move, but the facts aren't on its side.

Yeah, West Virginia has benefited greatly from playing in the Big East.

Recent conference titles:

2003 (8-5, 6-1)
2004 (8-4, 4-2)
2005 (11-1, 7-0)
2007 (11-2, 5-2)
2010 (9-3, 5-2)

Missouri - along with several other Big 12 schools - could have done just as well. The Tigers likely win the Big East in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010 and would have been right there in 2009 (when I believe flippin' UCONN won the league).

Their basketball program is unarguably better than Mizzou's (though that probably doesn't last past Huggy bear and probably takes a hit playing in the Big 12-2-1-1+? with less ties to New York), but their football program is perceived as better only because they've dominated a cupcake league.

Well, when Arkansas moved to the SEC, their Texas recruiting dropped off dramatically.

West Virginia's athletics stand to take a hit. Travel will suck, and no more partial qualifiers spells trouble.

How are they doing now? 15 years ago, the SEC wasn't the dominant football conference that it is today.

Good pick up for the Big Leftover conference compared to what teams are available. For those of you who think it is an upgrade over Mizzou are kidding yourselfs. Let's be honest, if Kansas was in the Big East, they would rack up twice as many wins in that weak football conference.
Other than that though, I am curious to see if they stay at 10 or add some more of these city schools to put them back to 12.

You can pretty much add on "I hope" to a lot of HH's posts that have predictions about Mizzou.

They are more legit that way.

Some facts that would be helpful in that analysis...

1) The period around joining the SEC (1991) was a low part in Arkansas football because of coaching turmoil. Jack Crowe was an unmitigated disaster, and was fired after losing a game to The Citadel in 1992. They played out the string with an interim coach in 1992 and then brought in Danny Ford, who was washed up and had been retired before coming to Arkansas.

Hard to maintain recruiting ties when you go through four coaches in a four-year span.

2) TV was different back then . The SEC was not on TV as much, and didn't have the reach on ESPN and CBS it currently does.

3) The brand was different. The SEC, while being a great conference, was not yet the clear and undisputed best overall conference like it is now.

4) There was not a team in Texas in the SEC for Arkansas to regularly play. The SWC was still in existence, and Rice, SMU, Houston, etc. were much bigger players for Texas players than currently, in addition to UT, aTm, Oklahoma, Baylor, Tech.

It's a different situation for Missouri than it was for Arkansas. The Tigers enter the SEC with a strong, established coach, a program that - 2011 hiccup aside - is in the best shape it has been since the 1960s. From all indications, Texas A&M will be Missouri's cross-division rival, so they'll be in Texas frequently. And the SEC is all over the place as far as TV broadcasts.

I like the idea of playing from the SEC East, with aTm as the cross-division rival, for recruiting purposes, too. Having home-and-away with Georgia and Florida gives the Tigers the chance to do the same thing in those states it has in Texas - mine overlooked kids to build the athleticism of the roster.

I'd expect the Tigers to land a few more in-state kids, get a few less from Texas, and shift emphasis from Oklahoma to beefing up efforts in Florida and Louisiana and Georgia.

West Virginia to Big 12 (if it hasn't been posted yet)

I hope the Big 12 stays at 10. I want to see K-State play in Fort Worth every other year. And once a year in BB.

Mizzou played in the Big XII North + 3 rotating south games. Is it that much different than the Big East?

I would buy your argument if Mizzou won the Big XII. Ever.

...or if they won the Big 8 since I was born.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ay-source-says


Source: Big 12 to accept WVU soon


The Big 12 has told West Virginia it will be accepted into the conference pending formal approval, which could happen as soon as later Tuesday, a Big 12 source said.

Earlier Tuesday, multiple media reports said that West Virginia was headed from the Big East to the Big 12.

West Virginia will be accepted into the conference as a replacement for Missouri, which the conference believes is departing for the SEC. However, according to the source, West Virginia's acceptance into the Big 12 is not contingent on Missouri leaving.

The only thing holding up Missouri's departure is legal concerns, according to multiple reports.

The Big 12 still wants Missouri to play in the conference next season, as to not open the possibility of television renegotiations if the league were to drop to nine teams. The conference feels comfortable at 10 teams but still will consider 12 teams in the future, the source said.

The Big 12 is adding West Virginia because of its football strength, having finished in the BCS standings in four of the past five years, as well as the men's basketball program having reached the NCAA tournament six of the past seven years.

The Big East could try to keep West Virginia for up to 27 months and negotiations on that point would figure to ensue.

At a Big 12 board of directors meeting on Monday, the conference urged Missouri to stay -- and Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton, who had been given permission by the university's governing body to make decisions on the future of the university's athletic program, did not inform the conference that Missouri intended to leave.

But late Monday, Deaton gave some clue as to Missouri's intentions, giving a statement to KOMU-TV in Columbia, Mo., in which he wished the Big 12 "the best and all of that."

"There's no delays here at all," he said, referring to the school's step toward leaving the Big 12. "There's some very specific things that have to be addressed. We want to address those. We really can't rush these things. These are things you can't rush."

The Big 12 also is discussing a conference media network, which a source said could even include content, if not games, related to the University of Texas, which founded its own Longhorn Network in association with ESPN.
Neither conference would confirm Monday that West Virginia was moving from the Big East to the Big 12.

You're absolutely correct.

Congratulations on your upgrade, I'm sure you'll all be very very happy together.

Dueces.

It's a lot different, in that Texas and Oklahoma is always on Missouri's schedule.

The point is that the Big East, in addition to not having as many teams or a conference championship game, is a much, much easier league than the Big 12.

There's been no one in that league during West Virginia's run that can compare to Texas or Oklahoma. Since Miami and Va. Tech bailed, the Big East has been basically the Big 12 North division.

Getting WV is pretty exciting. That would be a big improvement to the conference.

Awesome, so we'll have a team that can routinely win the Big 12 North.

Seriously? This is a pretty dumb statement coming from you.

Who in the Big East matched UT or OU? Who in the Big East matched Tech, A&M, and/or OSU at various points over the last few years?

Hell, Nebraska was down by their standards and would have bentover the Big East conference with Bill f'n Callahan.

You're trying way too hard.

Jeez, man.

West Virginia sucks, and that's why every good conference turned them down.

So in that regard, they should fit in perfectly with the Big 12-2-2/Big Leftover/Losers and Leftovers/Middle 12.

Butthurt.

Yep. I'm pretty happy with the replacement (minus the whole distance thing).

I'm glad this thread made it back to butthurt.

butthurt.

Ballsack!

Not as much as DJ, but, yeah, it's palpable.

Leftovers and Losers? Is that the Big IIX's version of Legends and Leaders?

Why in the hell would the Big 12 allow Notre Dame to join minus the sport that counts?

Life just got a lot tougher for KU in football with the additions of TCU and perhaps WVU.

Not looking forward to it...

It's not like KU is going to beat aTm or MIZZOU this year.

I asked the same question earlier today - someone responded with the answer that when ND is forced into a conference, the one that has their other sports will have a leg up on everyone else.

Stupid Racist Hicks
Vanderbilt

Lot of butthurt MU fans in here lately.

Oh it is on now. :LOL:

In a couple years you are going to be intimately familiar with that good old "deliverance" feeling.

apropos of nothing, 810 reporting that Kemper arena is going to be blown up

Probably not.

But the fact is that TCU and WVU are superior football programs to the two schools leaving.

oh well, they'll figure it out

I blame Texas.

About time...

No joke there. Just went from 0-7 to 0-9.

The Big 12 is getting better everyday!!!!!!!

Make sure Cassel is inside...