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Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition) (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=328296)

It'll be a tough game, we shouldn't be acting like SF can't do anything with us. They are the second best team in the league, and brushed their way past the rest of the NFC with ease.

I think that when all is said and done the Chiefs are the better team, but we'll see. It'll probably be a whale of a game.

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 14743405)

We were a beat up team in our losses. We had huge losses in the 2nd half of the year in the front 7, offensive line and of all things the starting kicker. That's how we lost 3. We are more healthy now. Our backup kicker missed a game winner against Seattle. He kicked it down the tunnel instead of through the uprights. That was one of our losses.

We are more healthy now in the playoffs. A lot of our guys have come back from injuries. We are more full strength on offensive line, defensive front 7 and special teams too.

Oh. Yeah, this is my fault. I probably should've been more clear in my response.

I don't care why you guys lost the games you lost. It means precisely dick.

I think I've made this point clear by now - you haven't played anything resembling this team.

Kevin Byard is an All-Pro caliber safety and he couldn’t hold Kelce’s jock strap. The Texans were actually doubling him off of the LOS at times like a damn punt return unit and it didn’t matter.

I see SF’s LBers as a talented group but none of them are going to be able to handle Kelce in space. Now, obviously SF will run plenty of zone coverages, but that doesn’t make the issue any less prevalent. Then you’re just talking about KC’s speed screaming through holes in the defense.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14743398)

Someone has no idea who Jayon Brown is.

If you're honestly hand-waiving that guy in favor of Dre ****ing Greenlaw, you really don't have much to say.

Jayon Brown is a stud. And he was rendered ineffective on Sunday.

Fred Warner and Kwon Alexander are is good as anybody in this league and as fast as anybody in this league at their respective positions. Greenlaw is a very good young player.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 14743329)

You're fine. It's a lighter day than normal here.

Bosa had a grand total of 2 sacks and 4 TFL in the four games he played against those three teams/four tackles. I wouldn't really call that making fools of them. Schwartz and Fisher compare with any of them (And I'd take Schwartz at RT over anyone in the NFL).

If the 49ers come out and try to use Dee Ford inside on regular downs, or even if they come out and just try to use him on early downs, I expect KC to run right at him and exploit his one-dimensional nature. Will be interesting. Look for 21 personnel if KC is seeing Ford, with Blake Bell assigned to deal with Ford and free up Fisher/Schwartz to get to the second level.

^ 21 also seems to be KC's favored grouping for screen game action. They'll use Kelce or Bell as well as Williams in the screen game, and will run action to both sides of the field.

The game against the Saints is definitely the biggest counter to the "just a game manager" tag for Garoppolo. It's the one that really stands out.

But like I was saying, we've got 40 years of history watching game managers and seeing them occasionally have that one shining moment. All those things you just said in his defense? They're things Chiefs fans have been saying prior to Mahomes about every guy except Montana and Green.

Thus, they ring hollow/false. I know the 49ers played that Baltimore game in bad passing conditions, but they win that game with a few more plays in the passing game from Garoppolo.

The other game you cited was a home win against a non-playoff team quarterbacked by Mason Rudolph, in which Garoppolo never trailed by more than one score, threw for a pedestrian yardage total, and threw two picks that led to 6 points for the opposing team.

You understand why that doesn't make the case for being more than a guy who leans on his D and run game, right?

Bosa: Some of the reason he won Rookie of the year is sacks, a greater portion of that, and why I stated what I did is what is not shown on the stat line,- like QB pressures.

Ford: I was not suggesting this just pointing out to the other poster he lines up elsewhere then he did in KC.

21- Niners favorite personnel group as well, I would guess there will be a lot of looks in practice this week for this and it will be interesting to see how often they use it considering.

Jimmy: I get there is not going to be an agreement, for sure. But his body of work this year is over shadowed by the D and run game. He threw for almost 3K yards (250 Yd avg), 27 TD's with a QBR of 102. Jimmy has had 10 games with a QBR over 100 this year, PM has had 9 (JG includes two games, Washington and Baltimore, where throwing wasn't much of an option). Not by anyway saying he's better, but he can be damn good when he needs to be.

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 14743419)

Fred Warner and Kwon Alexander are is good as anybody in this league and as fast as anybody in this league at their respective positions. Greenlaw is a very good young player.

ROFL

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 14743419)

Fred Warner and Kwon Alexander are is good as anybody in this league and as fast as anybody in this league at their respective positions. Greenlaw is a very good young player.

You have got to be kidding.

Take that pass rush down just a couple notches and you’ll see how great those LBers really are.

You just might get to find out in a couple weeks. ;)

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 14743419)

Fred Warner and Kwon Alexander are is good as anybody in this league and as fast as anybody in this league at their respective positions. Greenlaw is a very good young player.

Kwon Alexander with one fully functioning arm isn't as good as anybody in this league. And Fred Warner is quite good - he is NOT as good as Jayon Brown.

And again, the fact that you're trying to mention Greenlaw in the same breath as Brown tells me what I need to know about your knowledge of the AFC.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14743416)

You haven't played anything resembling this team. Our defense is far superior to the powder puffs you faced in the AFC playoffs. Prepare to face a real defense and a real pass rush now. Also you haven't seen anything like our offense. We run the ball with speed and use motion. Henry just plows straight ahead and you know the hole he is going for. They just slam him in there and see if you can stop it. With Shanahan he uses motion, sweeps, reverses, cut backs, plus play action passes. You have absolutely no idea where the ball is going. We are not predictable like the Titans.

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 14743414)

This is my thoughts. I can't be as confident as some of these others. We ARE playing a well rounded, extremely good team. IF both teams play flawlessly, we should win. BUT we have seen our most reliable play makers drop balls. We were lucky enough to overcome this. But against a team of SF's caliber, it could be fatal. We must play up to our ability.

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 14743368)

What caused you to lose the 4 games? What was the match up against you? Team that played well against you? Injuries you had and so on?

Why did you lose the games you lost this year? What were the toughest match ups and why?

:hmmm:

Colts=injuries. Tyreek DNP. Pat re-injured his ankle (C. Erving stepped on it I think) Wylie gets injured. Did Hunter get injured as well? Shady tweeked ankle. Frank Clark injures his neck. Chris Jones leaves game with knee injury. Xavier Williams get injured in this game? Watkins plays one snap?

Texans=injuries. Hill plays limited snaps first game back since week 1. Chris Jones DNP. Xavier Williams DNP. F. Clark plays but obviously not 100% still. Watkins DNP? Fisher DNP.

Packer=Pat out w/dislocated patella. Matt Moore's second start. 36-year old HS teacher. Fisher still out. Jones still out. Did Wylie play in this game? Or Rankin?

Titans=injuries. First game that the original starting OL plays together since week 1. Pat returns for first game since knee injury. For about a quarter. Fisher, Wylie, LDT, Rankin and Schwartz all go out with injuries. Hill injured. Think one more.

Packers game might have been the toughest, simply because of injuries, but also our LBs didn't match up well at all with their RBs split outside. fixed that against the Vikings when they tried it a week later, but the Packers plus Rodgers making a Rodgers miracle throw killed us.

Titans game also was a tough game, even though we dominated TOP, offensive yards, scoring possessions percentage. But our LBs just didn't line up correctly for most of that game, and Henry ran for 188 yards.

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 14743419)

Fred Warner and Kwon Alexander are is good as anybody in this league and as fast as anybody in this league at their respective positions. Greenlaw is a very good young player.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14743428)

I didn't mention him as the same. Read it again. Because that is clearly not what the post says.

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Originally Posted by SanDiego49er (Post 14743429)

No shit, right!?!

I mean the 8th best player on your defense is evidently better than Jayon Brown.

You guys must be ****ing AWESOME.

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 14743431)

That's an interesting analysis.