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rfaulk34 02-01-2025 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17947762)
It's easy to confuse someone who's concussed.

It's kind of mean, actually.

Nahhh. There was no concussion. He was just dealt with and there wasn't anything he could do about it.

rfaulk34 02-01-2025 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17947788)
You’re my boy blue, but saying ringS in the plural is more than a reach. I’ll say this, I don’t think they were gonna let the Rams lose in their new home stadium anymore than they were gonna let Brady lose on his the year before. Also there’s a big difference between being “confused” by a defense, and completely missing open receivers by a mile and playing exactly the opposite of what he did not only in the first half, but throughout his entire postseason history.

Shit happens, wouldn’t have wanted to play in the opposing teams stadium 2 years in a row. But I do think we would have had a better shot at the Rams than some other ringless team. JS

Well...i'm just saying. Sometimes i see stories on here that reek of coping and i'll just continue to shut them down where applicable. ;)

Plus, i haven't given you shit in a while so it was overdue. :D

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

FloridaMan88 02-01-2025 10:41 PM

Another rule change to placate the crying Buffalo losers. LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The NFL will reportedly consider measuring first downs electronically during the 2025 season <a href="https://t.co/8gGRWZf8Rf">https://t.co/8gGRWZf8Rf</a></p>&mdash; Sports Illustrated (@SInow) <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1885874545698938966?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pepe Silvia 02-01-2025 10:44 PM

It's not the off season unless the Bills change the rules.

RealSNR 02-01-2025 10:45 PM

Hey Buffalo, you DO realize that you can’t get unraped, right? The rule change won’t heal what was done to you.

Idiots.

FloridaMan88 02-01-2025 10:50 PM

If only rule changes initiated by their tears equated to trophies… Buffalo’s trophy case wouldn’t be so empty.

Stryker 02-01-2025 10:58 PM

:LOL::LOL::LOL:
Try again! :thumb:

KCBlitz 02-01-2025 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17947747)
Jackson feasts on bad defense all regular season, hasn't ever developed into an above average passer when receivers aren't wide ****ing open, and is relatively an emotional toddler compared to elite QBs... all of that equals postseason meltdowns when the games get tough.

Allen basically suffers from not being Patrick Mahomes.

Lamar actually drove his team for a TD when the game was on the line. Allen has failed in that regards the last 2 playoff games.

DRM08 02-02-2025 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17947909)
Hey Buffalo, you DO realize that you can’t get unraped, right? The rule change won’t heal what was done to you.

Idiots.

They got away with a false start on that play and a couple of other pretty important plays, but I don't see them complaining about the refs missing those calls. Two of those missed false start calls directly led to Buffalo TD's. The "controversial" 4th down play should have been 4th and 6 instead of 4th and 1.

RedinTexas 02-02-2025 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17947988)
They got away with a false start on that play and a couple of other pretty important plays, but I don't see them complaining about the refs missing those calls. Two of those missed false start calls directly led to Buffalo TD's. The "controversial" 4th down play should have been 4th and 6 instead of 4th and 1.

Frankly, I'm surprised the Bills' fans aren't whining about the false start because if it had been called they would have had another chance to get that 1st down. It sounds dumb, but the 49er fans whined about the fact that the delay of game wasn't called against them near the end of SB LIV.

kysirsoze 02-02-2025 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17947909)
Hey Buffalo, you DO realize that you can’t get unraped, right? The rule change won’t heal what was done to you.

Idiots.

The best part is that, if this happens, it is guaranteed to benefit the Chiefs in a huge spot next year.

Bearcat 02-02-2025 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by KCBlitz (Post 17947921)
Lamar actually drove his team for a TD when the game was on the line. Allen has failed in that regards the last 2 playoff games.

Yeah, football is weird given small sample sizes.

Jackson shit down his leg so much in the first half, they went almost completely away from him in the second half and mostly ran the ball, before the last drive.

Allen came back from 11 and again by a touchdown, keeping them in the game until the last few minutes before ****ing it up.

I'd take Allen 10 times out of 10 though... he had :13 won and if that happened, would have 3 AFCCGs under his belt and has played Mahomes down to the wire 3 times in the playoffs.

Jackson hasn't even proven he can be competitive against Mahomes when it matters, mostly because he's only gotten that far once and it took a 49ers roster champs effort to even do that.

Chiefspants 02-02-2025 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17947906)
Another rule change to placate the crying Buffalo losers. LMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The NFL will reportedly consider measuring first downs electronically during the 2025 season <a href="https://t.co/8gGRWZf8Rf">https://t.co/8gGRWZf8Rf</a></p>&mdash; Sports Illustrated (@SInow) <a href="https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1885874545698938966?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I’m so pumped for Mahomes to come up short on 4th down in Buffalo next year only for the chip in the ball to confirm he got the first down on his way to another game winning drive in the playoffs.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-02-2025 10:23 AM

So I’ve consumed some Bills content this past week and, as you would expect, there’s starting to be a lot of acceptance and sayings like “this was a retool year anyways, we’re only getting better…” very similar to what we were saying after the Chiefs WON Super Bowl 57.

And I totally understand why you tell yourself that as a long-suffering Bills fan, but I do question its legitimacy.

That Chiefs team had one of the greatest draft classes in our franchise history. And 2021 was an excellent class on top of it too.

The Bills recent drafts…. Meh. I mean, the post game conversation centered on how poorly their top picks of the last three years performed in this very game (Elam, Kincaid, Coleman).

They’re still contenders as long as Josh is there. But I don’t think it’s some lock that they get better next year. It was a 13-3 team for crying out loud.

RedinTexas 02-02-2025 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948206)
So I’ve consumed some Bills content this past week and, as you would expect, there’s starting to be a lot of acceptance and sayings like “this was a retool year anyways, we’re only getting better…” very similar to what we were saying after the Chiefs WON Super Bowl 57.

And I totally understand why you tell yourself that as a long-suffering Bills fan, but I do question its legitimacy.

That Chiefs team had one of the greatest draft classes in our franchise history. And 2021 was an excellent class on top of it too.

The Bills recent drafts…. Meh. I mean, the post game conversation centered on how poorly their top picks of the last three years performed in this very game (Elam, Kincaid, Coleman).

They’re still contenders as long as Josh is there. But I don’t think it’s some lock that they get better next year. It was a 13-3 team for crying out loud.

Pretty sure Allen is up for a big raise too.

KCBlitz 02-02-2025 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948206)
So I’ve consumed some Bills content this past week and, as you would expect, there’s starting to be a lot of acceptance and sayings like “this was a retool year anyways, we’re only getting better…” very similar to what we were saying after the Chiefs WON Super Bowl 57.

And I totally understand why you tell yourself that as a long-suffering Bills fan, but I do question its legitimacy.

That Chiefs team had one of the greatest draft classes in our franchise history. And 2021 was an excellent class on top of it too.

The Bills recent drafts…. Meh. I mean, the post game conversation centered on how poorly their top picks of the last three years performed in this very game (Elam, Kincaid, Coleman).

They’re still contenders as long as Josh is there. But I don’t think it’s some lock that they get better next year. It was a 13-3 team for crying out loud.

They won’t take that next step until Allen learns to control his nerves when the pressure is on. Two consecutive years with the ball and a chance to advance against KC and came up short. The pressure will only mounts. I can see this being his narrative going into next playoffs season.

Rainbarrel 02-02-2025 10:35 AM

Jayden Daniels maintains his nerves and Buffalo is ****edalo

KCBlitz 02-02-2025 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17948224)
Jayden Daniels maintains his nerves and Buffalo is ****edalo

If Allen has some of that in him he’d be closer to Mahomes. It’s crazy that their fanbase would not criticize him for anything despite his obvious mental shortcomings. That is holding them back in the biggest moments.

jjjayb 02-02-2025 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17947895)
Well...i'm just saying. Sometimes i see stories on here that reek of coping and i'll just continue to shut them down where applicable. ;)

Plus, i haven't given you shit in a while so it was overdue. :D

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Your team didn't even make the ****ing playoffs and you're talking about rings? But, but, but, if, if, if. Shut up you loser. Your team sucks. Your boy has never gotten it done. NEVER. He's just another in a long line of QBs that just weren't quite good enough. Yet, here you are acting like he or your team deserve to be spoken about in the same breath as Mahomes and the Chiefs. Kick bricks loser.

penchief 02-02-2025 11:17 AM

Man, Two Bills Drive is losing their minds. Totally delusional and getting crazier with every passing day. I usually enjoy visiting that site because the majority of the posters are level headed and knowledgeable.

But they are going full on QAnon. They’re saying this game will go down in infamy. Falling further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole with every social media outrage video they post. I quit that social media crap because it’s a cesspool. Now it’s poisoning sports discussions, too.

In their eyes the chiefs deserve no credit for their run of brilliance. They think the Bills actually played better and would have won that game if it wasn’t for that fourth and one call. No credit to the chiefs for actually having an answer for that ridiculous rugby play.

Truth is, if it hadn’t been for the ball bouncing their way on nearly every potential turnover and a remarkable effort by Cook to overcome a great play by Bolton on 4th and goal, that game wouldn’t have been close.

New World Order 02-02-2025 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948206)
So I’ve consumed some Bills content this past week and, as you would expect, there’s starting to be a lot of acceptance and sayings like “this was a retool year anyways, we’re only getting better…” very similar to what we were saying after the Chiefs WON Super Bowl 57.

And I totally understand why you tell yourself that as a long-suffering Bills fan, but I do question its legitimacy.

That Chiefs team had one of the greatest draft classes in our franchise history. And 2021 was an excellent class on top of it too.

The Bills recent drafts…. Meh. I mean, the post game conversation centered on how poorly their top picks of the last three years performed in this very game (Elam, Kincaid, Coleman).

They’re still contenders as long as Josh is there. But I don’t think it’s some lock that they get better next year. It was a 13-3 team for crying out loud.

Their cap is tight, they blew a third for Cooper.

The next 2 years are going to be similar. Assuming Cincy’s d isn’t a dumpster fire you’d have to put them above Buffalo. Same with Baltimore. Probably with Houston too.

I do think Allen eventually breaks through and wins one but it won’t be in the foreseeable future. Going to be a long road for them

pugsnotdrugs19 02-02-2025 11:20 AM

The Chiefs dropped two interceptions right in their hands on the first drive.

Breaks go both ways. Surprised if their fans are still in that much denial after a full week. The grieving process shouldn’t take this long.

penchief 02-02-2025 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948257)
The Chiefs dropped two interceptions right in their hands on the first drive.

Breaks go both ways. Surprised if their fans are still in that much denial after a full week. The grieving process shouldn’t take this long.

I think they were so sure they were going to win this time. And accusing the refs/chiefs of cheating them out of their certain win is the easiest way of coping right now.

Bearcat 02-02-2025 11:52 AM

I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, ****ing hard.

Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.

It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.

Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.

Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :shrug:


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New World Order 02-02-2025 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17948280)
I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, ****ing hard.

Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.

It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.

Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.

Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :shrug:


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The bills arent really a good team around Allen. Their defense sucks and their receiving weapons are pretty mediocre. He doesn’t have a great coaching staff.

Without Allen they’re picking top 10. Hes got a real uphill battle to win the SB

pugsnotdrugs19 02-02-2025 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17948284)
The bills arent really a good team around Allen. Their defense sucks and their receiving weapons are pretty mediocre. He doesn’t have a great coaching staff.

Without Allen they’re picking top 10. Hes got a real uphill battle to win the SB

Someone posted in yesterday, but Buffalo’s defense in the playoffs has actually been really good on an EPA basis in every playoff game EXCEPT the four Chiefs games and the single game vs. Burrow.

KC is just that great.

Bearcat 02-02-2025 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17948284)
The bills arent really a good team around Allen. Their defense sucks and their receiving weapons are pretty mediocre. He doesn’t have a great coaching staff.

Without Allen they’re picking top 10. Hes got a real uphill battle to win the SB

Yeah, and it's a tough comparison because Mahomes is Mahomes AND he has Andy Reid, had Tyreek a few years, always has postseason Kelce to rely on, had an elite defense last season and a pretty damn good one this season.

Yet, almost every single time Mahomes is putting his guys in a spot to make the crucial play if he isn't doing it himself... he isn't throwing some hero ball that falls 10 yards short of the receiver on a crucial 3rd down or some lame duck on a 4th and 5 with the season on the line.

He ran a damn marathon behind the LoS against the Bucs and still threw dimes that multiple times went off helmets or through the hands of his receivers.

For all the Bills' shortcomings in terms of roster and coaching, only :13 really hits that bar of everything around Allen failing.... he's not exactly getting Mark Andrews'd out of games (and I get the irony of saying that).

Wallymo 02-02-2025 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penchief (Post 17948253)
Man, Two Bills Drive is losing their minds. Totally delusional and getting crazier with every passing day. I usually enjoy visiting that site because the majority of the posters are level headed and knowledgeable.

But they are going full on QAnon. They’re saying this game will go down in infamy. Falling further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole with every social media outrage video they post. I quit that social media crap because it’s a cesspool. Now it’s poisoning sports discussions, too.

In their eyes the chiefs deserve no credit for their run of brilliance. They think the Bills actually played better and would have won that game if it wasn’t for that fourth and one call. No credit to the chiefs for actually having an answer for that ridiculous rugby play.

Truth is, if it hadn’t been for the ball bouncing their way on nearly every potential turnover and a remarkable effort by Cook to overcome a great play by Bolton on 4th and goal, that game wouldn’t have been close.

I've been a secondary Bills fan since Thurman Thomas was drafted in 1988 (the year before I graduated high school in OK). I started reading the Bills' board many, many years ago, though I'm not registered to post. I agree they have knowledgeable fans. But some are so beat down psychologically it is messing with their heads. There were many, many posts beforehand stating that if the Bills were to lose it would be because the refs screwed them and -- guess what -- those same people are now adamant the refs screwed them.

It appears the more sane posters have begun to push back a bit, but a 30+ page topic on getting robbed by the refs remains popular.

tredadda 02-02-2025 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rfaulk34 (Post 17947891)
Nahhh. There was no concussion. He was just dealt with and there wasn't anything he could do about it.

It’s possible, but regardless they lost because Mahomes played the worst half of playoff football in his young 20 game career so far.

tredadda 02-02-2025 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 17947908)
It's not the off season unless the Bills change the rules.

Waiting on them to petition the league to move KC to the NFC……for fairness sake.

DRM08 02-02-2025 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17948195)
Yeah, football is weird given small sample sizes.

Jackson shit down his leg so much in the first half, they went almost completely away from him in the second half and mostly ran the ball, before the last drive.

Allen came back from 11 and again by a touchdown, keeping them in the game until the last few minutes before ****ing it up.

I'd take Allen 10 times out of 10 though... he had :13 won and if that happened, would have 3 AFCCGs under his belt and has played Mahomes down to the wire 3 times in the playoffs.

Jackson hasn't even proven he can be competitive against Mahomes when it matters, mostly because he's only gotten that far once and it took a 49ers roster champs effort to even do that.

Josh Allen was lucky to avoid 5+ turnovers last weekend. Similar deal in the Playoff game a year ago too. He kept getting away with a bunch of shit in both of those games. Lamar, not so lucky with his mistakes.

Hell, the Chiefs had 2 actual turnovers on only 2 turnover worthy plays in those 2 Playoff games against Buffalo. Lost 10-14 points on those turnovers. Meanwhile Buffalo somehow got away with at least 12 turnover worthy plays in these 2 Playoff games against the Chiefs.

VAChief 02-02-2025 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17948280)
I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, ****ing hard.

Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.

It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.

Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.

Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :shrug:


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Dang, I forgot Plunkett won twice.

DRM08 02-02-2025 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948257)
The Chiefs dropped two interceptions right in their hands on the first drive.

Breaks go both ways. Surprised if their fans are still in that much denial after a full week. The grieving process shouldn’t take this long.

There were 5 fumbles in the game and Buffalo recovered ALL of them, including one from the Chiefs. Less than a 5% chance of winning 5 straight coin flips, but somehow Buffalo had major luck on their side with the fumbles. I counted at least 3-4 interception quality throws from Josh Allen as well. VERY fortunate to have 0 turnovers in that game.

crispystl 02-02-2025 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17946906)
Take what, exactly

The seasom duh.

htismaqe 02-02-2025 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17948385)
There were 5 fumbles in the game and Buffalo recovered ALL of them, including one from the Chiefs. Less than a 5% chance of winning 5 straight coin flips, but somehow Buffalo had major luck on their side with the fumbles. I counted at least 3-4 interception quality throws from Josh Allen as well. VERY fortunate to have 0 turnovers in that game.

All year.

It happened all year.

Buffalo had a favorable result of 30 of 36 plays, including the AFCCG.

The league average is about 48%.

Chiefspants 02-02-2025 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948257)
The Chiefs dropped two interceptions right in their hands on the first drive.

Breaks go both ways. Surprised if their fans are still in that much denial after a full week. The grieving process shouldn’t take this long.

I’ll give some the benefit of the doubt that they’re upset that they were only 3:33 and a gamewinning drive away from a win in spite of everything that could have gone wrong in the game.

That was a hard part for us to swallow against the Pats. Sutton’s run D couldn’t get off the field, Berry was constantly beaten by Gronk, our front 4 couldn’t get pressure on Tom, and the Pats had the ball for 43 ****ing minutes of that game. All of that should have equaled an ass-kicking loss. Yet, Tom gifted us two uncharacteristic INT’s, and gave us the win with a third.

Yet, when the win was there, our execution failed us. Luckily that failure was so spectacular Andy was forced to make a hard choice and fire Sutton and start the Spags era. I’m skeptical Buffalo will be willing to make a similar hard choice here (after all, why do that when you can cry “but the refs!!!”)

pugsnotdrugs19 02-02-2025 02:49 PM

Well, McDermott is now suggesting he could follow an Andy Reid career path — he mentioned in his presser this week that he used to work for a guy who went through similar long term struggles getting over that hump, and now look at all his success, he said.

Where I would argue that’s a little shortsighted is Andy never had any QB close to Josh Allen until Mahomes.

DRM08 02-02-2025 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948452)
Well, McDermott is now suggesting he could follow an Andy Reid career path — he mentioned in his presser this week that he used to work for a guy who went through similar long term struggles getting over that hump, and now look at all his success, he said.

Where I would argue that’s a little shortsighted is Andy never had any QB close to Josh Allen until Mahomes.

Donovan McNabb was pretty good, but definitely not the same level of Josh Allen. And obviously nowhere close to Mahomes.

Andy had some absolutely elite defenses in Philly backing McNabb and they could not get over the top. Came up 3 points short against Belichick & Brady in one Super Bowl, while choking in earlier rounds of the Playoffs in other seasons.

htismaqe 02-02-2025 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17948452)
Well, McDermott is now suggesting he could follow an Andy Reid career path — he mentioned in his presser this week that he used to work for a guy who went through similar long term struggles getting over that hump, and now look at all his success, he said.

Where I would argue that’s a little shortsighted is Andy never had any QB close to Josh Allen until Mahomes.

To do replicate what Andy did, he's going to have to 1) find offensive guys in the vein. Joe Brady is good but he's obviously not good enough. 2) he's going to have to actually produce a top defense since, you know, he's a defensive guy.

McDemott will never replicate Andy's path because he's Sean McDermott.

duncan_idaho 02-02-2025 03:52 PM

I think the biggest fear I have if I’m a Bills fan is how long Allen’s body can stand up to the type of workload they’re throwing at him in the run game.

Their offense doesn’t work without him carrying the ball a bunch.

If they don’t win one in the next 3-4 seasons I think you have to wonder if he ever breaks through.

New World Order 02-02-2025 04:01 PM

It’s kind of crazy to think about but all of the elite qbs (Lamar, Burrow, Allen) are around 30.

Lamar won’t have the shelf-life of the others.

He better get to work

kgrund 02-02-2025 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17948535)
I think the biggest fear I have if I’m a Bills fan is how long Allen’s body can stand up to the type of workload they’re throwing at him in the run game.

Their offense doesn’t work without him carrying the ball a bunch.

If they don’t win one in the next 3-4 seasons I think you have to wonder if he ever breaks through.

It does not help he literally invites and initiates contact all the time.

Rausch 02-02-2025 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17948546)
It’s kind of crazy to think about but all of the elite qbs (Lamar, Burrow, Allen) are around 30.

Lamar won’t have the shelf-life of the others.

He better get to work

The way Allen runs like a fullback he likely won't either. Now, perhaps Josh transitions to more of a pocket QB as his legs quit on him. Possible.

Lamar will just go the way of Cam Newton. Only he won't dress like my grandmother...

Coochie liquor 02-02-2025 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17948558)
The way Allen runs like a fullback he likely won't either. Now, perhaps Josh transitions to more of a pocket QB as his legs quit on him. Possible.

Lamar will just go the way of Cam Newton. Only he won't dress like my grandmother...

Mahomes (and Stafford) have kept all those “elite” quarterbacks ringless. I don’t think McDerpit will ever win a ring with Allen. They’re gonna eventually do like we had to do with Marty and move on to a fresher approach.

There’s a reason no coach/qb combo has ever won a championship if they didn’t do it in the first 5 years. And all those guys are at around 5 years with the same HCs. Veach pulls another 2022 draft and it might be Murder She Wrote continuing for a long time (as long as Andy and Spags stay together)

MahomesMagic 02-02-2025 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17948280)
I think what gets lost in these discussions is outside of very few QBs, winning one Super Bowl is, you know, ****ing hard.

Montana had two at 28.
Favre won his at 27.
Peyton won his first at 30, Eli at 27.
Rodgers was 27.

It takes years and luck, and Allen is just one of those QBs who needs more to fall into place than Mahomes... he needs his kicker to hit a 50 yard FG because he couldn't keep a drive going. He needs his TE to make a super awkward catch because he didn't pick up on the blitz pre-snap.

Even Mahomes sometimes has to settle for the FG with 3.5 minutes left, yet it's the rare case.

Thus, Allen only really suffers from not being Mahomes... Bills fans have tried so hard to convince themselves they're the same or Allen is even better...well, start winning AFCCGs on one ankle with Skyy and Kadarius instead of blaming everyone else... that's what Mahomes would do. :shrug:


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Tom Brady has really screwed with people's perception of age of QB.


The reality is most QB's don't win SB's after age 31.

Rainbarrel 02-02-2025 05:02 PM

Allen is going to want warm weather or a dome. In a couple years after breaking both hands this season

Rausch 02-02-2025 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coochie liquor (Post 17948605)
And all those guys are at around 5 years with the same HCs. Veach pulls another 2022 draft and it might be Murder She Wrote continuing for a long time (as long as Andy and Spags stay together)

I think Spags leaves after the 4th straight SB (if he doesn't end up in Nawlins this off season.)

Rausch 02-02-2025 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17948652)
Allen is going to want warm weather or a dome. In a couple years after breaking both hands this season

I fully expect Burro to force a trade to an NFC team in a few years. It's clear he wants to win and Cinci doesn't.

Snerd 02-02-2025 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 17948377)
Dang, I forgot Plunkett won twice.

Me too. I also forgot that the Pats won three in four seasons (2002, 2004, 2005). I remembered Dallas doing it but not NE.

tredadda 02-02-2025 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17948478)
To do replicate what Andy did, he's going to have to 1) find offensive guys in the vein. Joe Brady is good but he's obviously not good enough. 2) he's going to have to actually produce a top defense since, you know, he's a defensive guy.

McDemott will never replicate Andy's path because he's Sean McDermott.

Exactly. Andy is in the legendary HC category. Look at all the HCs in history (at least since just before the AFL came into existence). One theme emerges (outside of Gibbs), and that is they won championships with elite QBs.

McDermott has one and still can’t get to the SB and only has two AFCCG appearances during this Allen era in Buffalo.

He’s not Andy, nor will he ever be mentioned in the same breath as Andy outside of always losing to him when it matters and once being an assistant under him.

BigRedChief 02-02-2025 08:20 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The NFL will reportedly consider widening the goal posts during the 2025 season. This change comes one season after <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bills?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bills</a> Kicker Tyler Bass missed wide right &amp; the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> went on to win. <a href="https://t.co/RG26TE5SlB">pic.twitter.com/RG26TE5SlB</a></p>&mdash; Chris (@chiefs_outsider) <a href="https://twitter.com/chiefs_outsider/status/1885930938720284812?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

mr. tegu 02-02-2025 10:43 PM

From what I can tell reading their board, Bills fans issues with this game and thinking it’s some sort of breaking point against the Chiefs I’d easily traced back to their delusions and general unwillingness or inability to understand what they are watching during the season.

The majority of them predicted a double digit victory and couldn’t even fathom losing this game. They based this on things like point differential and not accepting that just maybe the Chiefs did actually save plays and could have scored more throughout the season. ANC of course completely ignoring the impact of Brown and a stable oline.

So instead of reevaluating their own analysis they simply pivot to of course they lost because the game was rigged. They also confuse people talking about it with it being a legitimate gripe instead of a created fantasy.

MahomesMagic 02-02-2025 11:17 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Every time Josh Allen loses to Patrick Mahomes they’re gonna change a rule. <a href="https://t.co/Bobpi44d82">https://t.co/Bobpi44d82</a></p>&mdash; Kip Smithers (@Chughes612) <a href="https://twitter.com/Chughes612/status/1886132831627149740?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RealSNR 02-02-2025 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17948961)
From what I can tell reading their board, Bills fans issues with this game and thinking it’s some sort of breaking point against the Chiefs I’d easily traced back to their delusions and general unwillingness or inability to understand what they are watching during the season.

The majority of them predicted a double digit victory and couldn’t even fathom losing this game. They based this on things like point differential and not accepting that just maybe the Chiefs did actually save plays and could have scored more throughout the season. ANC of course completely ignoring the impact of Brown and a stable oline.

So instead of reevaluating their own analysis they simply pivot to of course they lost because the game was rigged. They also confuse people talking about it with it being a legitimate gripe instead of a created fantasy.

The league has seen Andy do this basically two years in a row. This year I thought the 3peat would be tough because other coaches would surely be smart enough to do the same thing to us.

I was wrong. I overestimated them. They're doing the same shit and looking tough and awesome in the regular season and then wondering how or why they can't beat KC.

Coochie liquor 02-03-2025 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17948974)
The league has seen Andy do this basically two years in a row. This year I thought the 3peat would be tough because other coaches would surely be smart enough to do the same thing to us.

I was wrong. I overestimated them. They're doing the same shit and looking tough and awesome in the regular season and then wondering how or why they can't beat KC.

Other teams open up their playbooks, and use their best plays to score more points when they’re already up by multiple scores. Especially Bills, Ravems, Lions seem to be the most worried about regular season stats, and trying to get their quarterback a MVP or other award. Pat has been winning those since his first season starting. So he’s no longer worried about those awards. He’s got much bigger goals he’s trying to accomplish. Let the second tier teams fight amongst each other to win those. Pat, Travis last season sitting out the last game instead of keeping his 1k yard season streak going and even Barkley sitting week 18 when he was so close to setting a new rushing record. They had their sights set on more important goals. And that’s a big difference between the only qb in his own tier at the top, and the other 31 quarterbacks. Pat sees the big picture, he’s been ridiculously consistently winning since stepping on the field in Denver the final week of his rookie season. There’s no other Escalades he needs to prove himself. Rings are the things that live on forever. Same with this potential threepeat. That’s history that will most likely never be obtained by another team again. In 7 seasons he’s already cemented his face on the league’s Mt Rushmore. Now he’s chasing only the guy who played longer than any quarterbacks, and was considered the goat just a season ago. And I think barring injuries or Andy retiring, the thought of topping Brady will keep him motivated to get to 8 rings. Even if he doesn’t top all the passing and TD records that Brady accrued in his 2 decades of owning the league.


Will he one up Brady before he retires? I e learned one important thing in the short time he’s been here. Don’t bet against Patrick Mahomes. He’ll make you regret it almost every time.

htismaqe 02-03-2025 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 17948654)
I think Spags leaves after the 4th straight SB (if he doesn't end up in Nawlins this off season.)

I just don't see any way he goes back to New Orleans. They want an offensive coach, not a guy that coordinated one of the worst defenses in team history.

RealSNR 02-03-2025 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17949022)
I just don't see any way he goes back to New Orleans. They want an offensive coach, not a guy that coordinated one of the worst defenses in team history.

People around here (me included) think Daboll is/will be a terrible head coach simply based on what he was as an OC for us in 2012. No clue why some are expecting other fanbases to just forget their own trauma.

KCUnited 02-03-2025 07:42 AM

NFL to consider allowing the Bills a mulligan every time they call an Allen off LG run play

Bills coaches would receive a "you sure about that?" message through their headsets via New York

htismaqe 02-03-2025 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17949028)
People around here (me included) think Daboll is/will be a terrible head coach simply based on what he was as an OC for us in 2012. No clue why some are expecting other fanbases to just forget their own trauma.

For sure, but Spags' tenure in New Orleans was "historic" for all the wrong reasons. With Bountygate looming over the franchise, he ended up with on of the worst defenses in NFL history. Not his fault of course, but there's just no way New Orleans wants anybody to think back to those days and that's what would happen if they hired him.

Rainbarrel 02-03-2025 08:00 AM

Spags is in an interesting spot. He helped kill the Patriots Dynasty's historic 19-0 season. Now has a chance to help the Chiefs Dynasty's historic threepeat

TwistedChief 02-03-2025 09:07 AM

Apologies if this gem has been posted, but...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This guy is hilarious 😂 <a href="https://t.co/GKlDskNldb">pic.twitter.com/GKlDskNldb</a></p>&mdash; Lauren (@dogmomRN23) <a href="https://twitter.com/dogmomRN23/status/1885598470033010778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

smithandrew051 02-03-2025 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 17949139)
Apologies if this gem has been posted, but...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-media-max-width="560"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This guy is hilarious 😂 <a href="https://t.co/GKlDskNldb">pic.twitter.com/GKlDskNldb</a></p>&mdash; Lauren (@dogmomRN23) <a href="https://twitter.com/dogmomRN23/status/1885598470033010778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 1, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That was art

Coochie liquor 02-03-2025 09:52 AM

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Wonder how many Buffalol fans purchased this beautiful foreshadowing portrait?? I almost want one myself!


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Hammock Parties 02-03-2025 10:21 AM

How is that foreshadowing?

St. Patty's Fire 02-03-2025 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17949276)
How is that foreshadowing?

allen holding the guys wearing 0 and 4 LMAO

RedinTexas 02-03-2025 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17949351)
allen holding the guys wearing 0 and 4 LMAO

I thought the 17 was the number of Super Bowls they haven't won because of the Chiefs.

Hammock Parties 02-03-2025 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17949351)
allen holding the guys wearing 0 and 4 LMAO

OH DEAR GOD

Coochie liquor 02-03-2025 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17949351)
allen holding the guys wearing 0 and 4 LMAO

Exactly 17 is 0-4

Womble 02-03-2025 11:53 AM

I think I'll take 4 of these please.

https://images.wildfoxtee.com/2024/1...nament-mug.jpg

ptlyon 02-03-2025 12:33 PM

And it's not authentic as he doesn't have his hands on their asses

FlaChief58 02-03-2025 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ptlyon (Post 17949483)
And it's not authentic as he doesn't have his fingers in their asses

Ftfy

ptlyon 02-03-2025 12:39 PM

Correct! My apologies...

Rainbarrel 02-03-2025 02:02 PM

Allen messing with the refs girlfriends too. Is one meme I'm surprised hasn't surfaced(Diggs guest appearance)

Hammock Parties 02-03-2025 02:47 PM

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mr. tegu 02-03-2025 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17660155)
One of my favorite things about Bills fans is how quickly and easily they memory hole things they believe. Every season the majority of their board will argue that the Bills roster is equal or better than the Chiefs. At the end of the season after we beat them on the way to Super Bowls they will say Allen had worst weapons than Mahomes and has to do it all by himself.


I posted this back before the season started. I think I’ll just copy and paste it before next season as well.

mr. tegu 02-03-2025 08:00 PM

The Bills take the AFC this seasom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17667136)
Samuel, like Kincaid and Shakir and Coleman, is best utilized out of the slot. He’s not an outside receiver.

I’m interested to see how the Bills’ all-slot receiver offense works out.


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Turns out, not too good. Just a terrible plan and roster construction for the receiving group which has their most two recent high draft pick receiving targets being non factors for a large chunk of time.

Coochie liquor 02-03-2025 08:02 PM

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duncan_idaho 02-04-2025 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17950035)
Turns out, not too good. Just a terrible plan and roster construction for the receiving group which has their most two recent high draft pick receiving targets being non factors for a large chunk of time.


Yeah, entering the season with Mack ****ing Hollins as their top legitimate outside WR didn’t work out too well.

htismaqe 02-04-2025 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17950353)
Yeah, entering the season with Mack ****ing Hollins as their top legitimate outside WR didn’t work out too well.

They tried to do what the Chiefs did with their WR room. They actually did the right thing. The problem is that you have to nail the talent evaluations when you turn over a position group. You can't draft Keon Coleman's or it's not gonna work.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-04-2025 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17950353)
Yeah, entering the season with Mack ****ing Hollins as their top legitimate outside WR didn’t work out too well.

Hopefully a strong AFCCG leads Beane to give him a nonsense contract. It wouldn't take much either.

Anything over $5M AAV is a mistake.


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