Peak Burrow + a shit defense = .500 record and likely no playoffs, despite having multiple WR1s.

Mahomes' 1st year starting + a shit defense = 12-4 and an OT loss to Brady in the AFCCG.

And yes, the decline in the defense is partially the fault of Burrow and his contract. He's good, but he's no MVP.

I mean, his contract is at least partially responsible for their problems on defense. Mahomes won a MVP in 2018 and Super Bowl in 2019. What happened with his new contract in 2020 when he still had 2 years left on the rookie deal? He was very team-friendly in the first 3 years of his new deal. Only got $65 million from 2020 to 2022...

By comparison, Joe Burrow is getting $146 million from 2023 to 2025 even though he still had 2 cheap years left on the rookie deal. He squeezed them for top dollar on the front end of his contract. He could have gone a bit easier on them to help the front office. Throw in JaMarr Chase demanding $40M per year from the front office, and it's understandable they they are having a tough time on the defensive side of the ball.

Not ever gonna shit on a guy because he took the money the team gave him.

Yeah, the 2018 Chiefs defense gave up more PPG than the Bengals have given up this season, but let's talk about them like they're Texas Tech.

They also lost to the Patriots 16-10, only scored 17 against the Eagles, 25 against the Chiefs... hell, he hasn't even scored 50 in a loss.

Conclusion: BWillie is still a tard.

The standard was set with the Mahomes deal. Bengals owner publicly said he would love if Burrow did something like that. Instead Burrow's agent squeezed them for top dollar on the front end. Did he really need $80 million more than Mahomes on the first 3 years of that new deal? He was still under contract for 2 years on the rookie deal. They might still have Jessie Bates and DJ Reader if Burrow took the Mahomes approach.

Make him go play special teams

Rodgers was so bad yesterday that it almost looked like he was throwing that game. He clearly wants out of that organization and if they start him again I’d expect a similar performance more than a renaissance.

The 25 against Chiefs is also tarnished by a Burrow fumble that directly gave 6 points to the Chiefs on the scoreboard. It was the biggest play of the game, a difference maker to put the Chiefs over the top in that ballgame.

Lol. Somebody named Jake Browning had better numbers and a better record in that offense last year. No, Burrow’s not the most valuable player in the league.

We saw what Mahomes would do with similar talent to the Bengals WR's. He went berserk.

The Chiefs did the right thing and moved money away from the offense to the defense. Mahomes isn't raping faces like before, but he has the juice to win when it really counts.

It's all about balance.

This will be the third straight year that KC ends the Bengals' season. AFC title game. Week 17 in Arrowhead last year. Laying down for Denver this year.

The Burrowhead curse lives on.

Better numbers? No he did not.

Burrow is gonna throw like 45 TDs this year. Even if you dismiss his extremely high QB rating which can be fraudulent he has a 77 QBR. To sit here and act like what Burrow is doing is easy and/or not worthy of MVP is ridiculous.

Be unbiased. He's good. Really good. If he was so bad he wouldn't be the only active QB in the league to beat Mahomes in the playoffs.

1. Mahomes
2. Josh Allen
3. Burrow
.......50 feet of crap
4. Lamar Jackson

Absolutely.

Agreed. But because of that there inherently be consequences for it. He absolutely deserves every dime he is getting, but that also means the team must cut corners to compensate for it.

Can't believe that I am agreeing with you twice. Burrow deserves to be strongly considered for MVP with his numbers.

He won't though as QBs are judged by wins. At most his team will have 9 and quite possibly still miss the playoffs. Right or not, he has that holding him back from MVP.

What was first-year starter Mahomes' QBR when he threw for 5,000 yards, 50 TDs, 12 INTs, and was a Dee Ford away from beating Brady to go to the Super Bowl?

Of course Burrow is good, but he isn't worthy of holding Mahomes' jock on his best day.

You all need to stop. In 2018 you had a better oline and a complimentary running game. Line may have been mid to just above but Bengals line is bottom 2 in the league. Running game you were only 23rd in att but you were 16th in yds, 7th in TDs and 6th in YPA. Bengals are 30th in att, 29th in yds, 23rd in TDs and 20th in YPA. YPA keeps the chains moving better.

You were 24/27 on FGs. Bengals are 21/29. I don't know how many game winning and ending FGs you missed (if any) but the Bengals have missed 2, 1 resulted in a loss, 1 didn't.

Burrow is doing almost as much as Pat, numbers-wise, but he doesn't have the support around him that Pat did.

PS - Allen my ass.

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Pretty similar actually. You don't get much higher than 80/100 QBR for a season. Lamar in 2019 has the highest QBR of any of these guys. Here's the list of QBR seasons above 75/100 for the group:

2019 Lamar Jackson = 83.0/100
2018 Patrick Mahomes = 80.3/100
2022 Patrick Mahomes = 79.0/100
2020 Patrick Mahomes = 78.1/100
2024 Lamar Jackson = 77.9/100
2019 Patrick Mahomes = 77.7/100
2024 Josh Allen = 76.8/100
2024 Joe Burrow = 76.7/100
2020 Josh Allen = 76.6/100

Obviously I wasn’t comparing to Burrow’s stats this year. Browning had arguably better numbers than Burrow last year and won more games.

Could you see a scrub like Browning matching or surpassing Mahomes’ production and wins on this team?

And your Lamar Jackson take is absolutely pathetic. You should be embarrassed.

This loser actually thinks Burrow is going to win MVP LMAO

Imagine wasting a 45-TD season LMAO

****ing sad franchise.

Wins matter as a QB. Despite the season Burrow is having it won’t matter because they won’t reward a QB whose team finishes at best 9-8 with a slight possibility of squeaking into the playoffs as a 7 seed.

Honestly if Barkley breaks Dickerson’s record then he should win it, but probably won’t.

Bengals is piece of garbage!!!!!!!!!

Actually, i think if they win and get in, he deserves to be in the conversation.

Since you have so much trouble following along and staying on topic, the reason i posted that tweet was to show he has the numbers. He just doesn't have the situation yet.

DISCLAIMER: I don't expect you to understand a thing i just said.

No one cares you irrelevant loser LMAO

I don't expect anyone who roots for red and yellow to give any thought to what Burrow has had to do to get to this point. He's setting records himself and dragging this franchise to where they are.

If Philly plays Barkley just to break a record, they're as big of dumbasses as Campbell is for playing his starters tonight.

Then stop replying to posts, dipshit.

I am very aware of what Burrow has done this year and I even argue that he deserves it based on numbers. I also know that QBs are heavily judged by wins and 9-8 won’t get it done, especially in comparison to what Allen/Jackson have done.

Now what records are being set by Burrow? Not asking to mock him, just genuinely curious. Barkley has a chance to break an all time record. Should Philly play him to get it? I wouldn’t, but they very well could do it.

Why would I? You're a cumrag. We're CONSTANTLY cumming around here. ON YOU.

Wow

He’s having a great season, no doubt.

You just can’t lose to the Patriots at home to start the season. And then Washington. At home again. Gets you behind the 8 ball. And even when you’re scoring a lot of points it’s tough to overcome the sluggish start.

Perusing the Bengals’ corner of the internet, there is a lot of clinging to hope that Wentz and the Chiefs can knock off the Broncos.

I don’t know that they realize it won’t be just Mahomes sitting. It will be Kelce and Hopkins and Thuney and Humphrey and Smith and Taylor and Hunt and Pacheco and Worthy and Jones and Bolton and McDuffie and Reid and Karlaftis.

It would be sad if it wasn’t so funny.

And there doesn’t seem to be understanding that this has nothing to do with wanting to make sure the Bengals and everything to do with rest and get healthy for a team that had an early bye.

Playoffs or not should matter. Overall record, no.

Not comparing types of records, just saying that he's passed for 250+ and 3+tds for 8 consecutive games. That's 2 more than any other QB in history. Speaks to consistency.

Josh has passed for <200 yds 3 of his last 5 games and has thrown for 3TDs once in those 5. If you add in his rushing, he still falls short of 200 total yds but at least he has 3 total TDs in a couple of them. Does that spell MVP to you?

Lahhhmurrr has thrown for <200 in 2 of his last 5 and has thrown 3+ TDs twice in that time. If you add rushing to his 2 subs, at least he hits 200 total yards once and it gives him 3 total TDs in both games.

Both pale in comparison to what Joe has done his last 5.

'Total body of work' argument? Sure, but you and i both know that the MVP races ebbs and flows with 'what have you done for me lately', all year long.

Saquon is worthy though and i wouldn't be upset if he won it.

Someone want to tell this guy that when you're wacking it to gay midget amputee porn, while posting, your weak strings don't actually go through the computer to the person you're replying to?

Nevermind. He won't get it. ****ing ignoramus.

Serious rivalry here between Clayster and Fauker.

It can only be settled in a cage match

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That would not be good for him. Better make it a DnD match.

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If Darnold wins next week he should probably be the MVP but he won’t almost solely because of his history prior to this season.

As for Allen, I would not vote for him out of spite because it’s so obvious they are purposefully padding his numbers. A QB sneak yesterday for a TD on first and goal against the already quit Jets is just sad.

Bro….Jake from State Farm posted a winning record with that team last year. That kinda hurts the Herculean Joe argument.

Josh is a beady-eyed, 1 yard TD thief! **** that flopper.

What take about Lamar? I think Lamar is an overrated QB. He's great when a team isn't sure they are passing but not great when the other team KNOWS he's passing.

Also Browning had 60 QBR last year. Burrow has a 77 QBR this year. He's been much better.

I was wondering what your thoughts on Josh Allen were.

Well, you ranked Lamar behind "50 ft of crap." Seems slightly insulting. Lamar's been excellent in every way this year. Have you actually watched him or are you just repeating the same nonsense people have said for years? Btw, Burrow needed 164 more passing attempts to throw a couple more TDs. With superior receivers.

There's a reason that QBs tend to have their best statistical years when they have poor defenses. It's good for stat-padding.

Browning had a winning record last year. Burrow was .500 last season and this season. There really isn't a good argument for Burrow being the most valuable player in the NFL. MVP isn't an award for best stats. He'd have a better case for OPOY.

Again, can you see Jake Browning stepping into Mahomes' shoes this year and matching his record or production? Or Lamar's?

Lol Lamar has shit the bed in the playoffs a bunch now. He needs high school sized windows to be great.

Also for some reason you seem to think a QB has control of a teams defense. They do not. The Bengals let up 22 ppg last year, this year 26. Of course they are going to lose more games.

Being a great QB comes down to one thing. How good are you when the other knows...not thinks maybe...but KNOWS you are going to pass. Thats why Mahomes, Allen and Burrow are so good.

How does the midget gay guy penetrate his partner without the assistance of limbs? Does his partner swing his rear end like a saddle to enable the penetration? Limbs are very important in creating motion of movement throughout the body. Or are you insinuating it was only gay midget amputee oral porn?

The Cincinnati chili will stick to the wall.Done

McDermott’s fixation on getting Josh an MVP reminds me of Harbaugh and the Ravens dancing like fools after beating the Texans.

This.

The stats have been much better, sure, but the MVP literally stands for Most Valuable Player.

How can you be the most valuable when aforementioned Jake from State Farm literally led you to the same record last year. Burrow absolutely balling out has not led to a single more win for the Bengals this year.

MVP of the league? Hell, he’s not even MVP of his own team this year.

That would be Chase.

Well, they're not missing all their limbs.

I feel sad that i actually have to point out that Jake beat a Jags team that was at the beginning of their nose dive, a Colts team at home with Gardner Minshew at QB, a Vikes team with Mick Nullins at QB and a Browns team that was resting all their starters in the last game of the year.

Lost to Pitt x2 and KC with a 2/5 td/int ratio.

Stop it.

Didn't realize we were talking about past playoff games. Thought we were talking about this year's MVP. But now that you mention it, what has Burrow done in the playoffs that's greatly impressed you? He put up Alex Smithian numbers and relied on his defense. Last 5 drives in the SB: punt, punt, punt, punt, turnover on downs.

Lamar's been a great passer this year. Sounds like you haven't watched him play and you're just spewing cliches.

If you want MVP, you probably shouldn't lose 16-10 to the Patriots at home. I don't think he can blame the defense for that one. Come to think of it, he can't blame the defense for the game in Arrowhead either. KC only scored 19 offensive points. Burrow's fumble TD was the difference.

QBs Joe's beaten this year:

Andy Dalton, Daniel Jones, Minshew, Cooper Rush, Mason Rudolph, DTR, Deshaun Watson, Mo Pix.

Lost to Brissett at home.

Damn, what would Cincy's record be the last few years without all these bums on the schedule? Lol

So 8-8 is significantly better than 9-8?

Got it.

This is why I come to CP, the culmination of ideas on a football board is second to none.

Joe for MVP is a joke. The QB's he faced and won is ugly and unimpressive.

Young, Jones, Watson. Raider's loser of the week, Titans loser of the week, Rush, Browns loser of the week and Donkeys rookie loser.

What a bad ass Joe is.

He beat one team with a winning record... Denver, in OT, at home...

Oh, and Burrow really didn't beat Mahomes in the playoffs, Mahomes beat himself and learned a lesson from it...

Most of the alleged advantages the 2018 Chiefs had was because of Mahomes. If you don't believe me, watch some Alex Smith era Chiefs games. Conversely, some of Cincy's weaknesses are a direct result of Burrow's contract.

Again, this is comparing first-year Mahomes to peak Burrow, who will never be better than he is right now.

Burrow has been sacked like crazy as well. Much more than Allen and Lamar

Yeah, let's continue arguing that Jake is as good as Burrow.

:drool:

There’s no better way this season could have ended. A shot at knocking out your division rivals while you rest your starters for the playoffs and the team that hates you the most in the league has to root for you because their destiny is completely in your hands. It’s so ****ing great being a Chiefs fan. Get in here little kitties and cheer for your overlords.
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Oh damn. I'll tell Joe to schedule himself teams with better QBs next year then.

Say it enough times and you may actually believe it at some point.

It will be at least a couple seasons. You don’t get those MVP schedules finishing in the bottom half of your division. He’s earned another year of stat padding with all his losses this season

The only people comparing are Chiefs fans. I'm not comparing Burrow to Mahomes, just saying that he's had an MVP worthy season with absolute shit around him. Chiefs fans keep bringing up 2018.

Also, you don't know if Burrow has peaked. You certainly hope he has but i doubt it.

The other gay guy does reverse cowgirl on the gay nugget guy

Also Burrow shouldn't be in the MVP conversation this year despite his stats because he lost to the Chiefs and his turnover contributed directly to it. Allen beat the Chiefs. The MVP shouldn't be just which QB had the best stats this year otherwise you have to put Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold in the conversation. I'm not saying that MVP should be "did you beat the chiefs" award but you can't beat up the shit teams and then lose to the good teams and the Patriots and be the MVP. Joe's having a great year yes and I think he's an elite QB (he's better than Lamar IMO) but he shouldn't be MVP this year.

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Service bottom.

It will be funny to see Bengal fans cheering for the Chiefs to win on Sunday. Now that is something you never expect to see.

MVPs don't come from mediocre teams unless they're doing something like breaking all-time records. Notice how the talent level around Burrow dropped after he got his bag.

He's either going to lose some elite weapons, or they'll get paid and further cannibalize the defense. Plus he's already suffered multiple major injuries.

Are we switching to pictures from Super Bowl victories? I can’t find anything for Burrow. This was all that came up when I typed in Burrow and Super Bowl together in the same search.

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The key is keeping Chase. Higgens is gone, but he has been hurt and I think can be replaced. Chase is the one Dee's have to double and makes it easier to read the defenses.

I don’t disagree with anything you said here and while overall record should not matter when selecting MVP, it does matter to voters. This is especially true for QBs. Look at last year.

Lamar won MVP not because he had the best numbers, but instead because he had a couple of great games against good teams. Plus he was the QB of what was the best regular season team.

Josh Allen arguably deserved it last year, but because of how his team performed in the regular season he didn’t get it.

If it's the award for Most Valuable Player, why shouldn't his team's overall record matter?

No player on a 9-8 team is that valuable. Burrow could've missed the entire season and it would've cost the Bengals what, 4 wins or so?

I don't get a say in the MVP but I think it should be 3ish things:

1) overall stats - are you top 5 minimum in your position?
2) how did your team do - are you at minimum a 3 seed
3) vibe check - did you look good when it mattered or did you pad stats against bad teams

Burrow gets 1 and 3 (less 3 than 1 though)
Mahomes gets 2 and 3
etc etc

Allen I think meets all 3. Saquon meets all 3.

Honestly though if I had a vote mine would be for Saquon since it shouldn't just be a QB award and he's going to have an historic or near historic year

Agreed regarding Lamar. I get not liking him, but to deny what he’s done this year because of that is silly. He is putting up amazing numbers and that can’t be argued.

Also you are right about QBs best seasons statistically. It’s no surprise that Mahomes best season statistically happened in 2018 when the defense was beyond awful (who could forget the 54-51 loss to the Rams).

Celebrating faded regular season wins? LMAO

OH LOOK.

A SUPER BOWL GAME WE WON ROFLROFLROFL

I hope they beat Pitt and Miami loses. I hope our game is 10-9 Denver lead. Then Butker shanks the game winner as time expires.