They’re not trading for a 31 year old DE.

Did any catch when Veach was talking about hoping players fall to them in the draft? He said he'd like for the Cincinnati corner to fall to 32. Maybe they have a trade back with Detroit in place?

Exactly how I see it playing out. Maybe trading 30 with GB would make a lot of sense.

Sauce Gardner? That’s probably him joking because that dude isn’t coming close to our pick. He’s a top 10 pick.

That's my hope at this point. We've been waiting for a "shock the world" deal, we'll see if it happens.

Would rather use that capital to acquire a known quantity if possible, versus giving up 30 and 62 to move into range to draft a 1st round grade, that still has the potential to bust.

I know that I found it interesting he said fall to 32

We traded for a 33 year old one last year....but again I think it's the salary, picks and contract that would be tough to work around.

Yessir a trade is coming for something

A 6th round pick in the middle of the season. This entire offseason has been about getting younger.

That’s a joke.

Sauce is going too 10

I bet he wishes Hutchinson would fall to 32 as well.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> have 194 names on the board</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1517553238547083265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">3 days ago, Lucas Niang had a progress MRI. <br><br>“Everything was where it needs to be,” said <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach<br><br>Head trainer and VP Rick Burkholder said Niang is right on schedule. Could be ready by the end of training camp.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1517554510780055554?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach likes the EDGE depth in both Rounds 1 AND 2. KC has four picks between the two rounds, so that’s a good thing considering the big need there.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1517552524051501056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He specifically mentioned he would like it if Hutchinson or Gardner would fall to 29, but that it won't happen.

We’re getting a RB guys.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM really likes the late-round running backs (5th, 6th, 7th and UDFA). Said he thinks a UDFA will be a 1,000-yard rusher. Feels like CEH and RoJo will have a new friend come next Sunday.<br><br>Chiefs have four 7ths.</p>&mdash; Pete Sweeney (@pgsween) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgsween/status/1517551805072355330?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds like what a few of us have been saying: after the top 3-4 DE’s there isn’t a major difference. That’s how good the depth is at edge

If anyone wants to see the presser...

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Interesting that he said that he thinks that 30-60 range is really good. I'm sure he has the guys that he might trade up for if they fall....but I wonder if we take one of those guys at 29 (gives him the chance to get the guy he wants for sure) and then trades down from 30.

So not trading up but staying put at 29 and then trading down from 30 to get another pick in that range. Then using some of those 3rd and 4th round picks to move back up into the 30-60 range for another one.

SHUT THE **** UP, TEICHER

That mother****er is the worst in every single PC.

You asked your question....now move the **** on.

He's asked like 8 questions. He acts like he's the only reporter in the room.

Just heard this.

He said, "fall to 30, too" in reference to his Hutchinson comment.

Who's the idiot who called Jameson Williams.....Jameson Winston?

Also, the media loves to ask about Mathieu. No one gives a ****.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> GM Brett Veach says that Patrick Mahomes has been providing some input on how the new additions on offense have been coming along at the throwing sessions out in Texas. Says that info is informing some draft decisions.</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1517552065790169088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"These guys you signed SUCK! Get me some real receivers, Veach!"

That dumbshit, gloomy Gus MFer had us going 9-8 last year.

After CEH I think you need to take his opinion with a grain of salt.

He was asked if he liked CEH.

CEH was a good player.

What a GM is responsible for is more taxing. Not just if CEH is good but are there better RB's on the board?

There were, unfortunately.

"Brett, Mecole didn't show up again. Guess we're going to have to trade for DK now, sorry".

Wonder how much it would take to get Brian Burns from Carolina.

I know it's a joke, but this whole, "Patrick was responsible for us picking CEH!" thing is waaaaaay overblown.

Mahomes didn't scout and he definitely didn't make the selection. And really, the text they said asking him who he'd pick wasn't even asking for his input. It was a "Oh neat, cool, our star QB will like this pick" thing.

Mahomes is not our GM, but he is the franchise, and they shouldn't shy away from letting him take on (reasonable) leadership opportunities that don't go beyond making decisions.

All they're doing here is asking him to report on the guys that are under contract in the offseason work. That's it.

Hmmmm….

I like.

Panthers are pick starved.

This was the most obvious telegraph of the presser. If we keep all the 7th rounders, we're taking a couple of RB's. Forget us taking Spiller earlier in the draft. He could also be hyping the possibilities of RB in the 7th round for when he packages a 7th or 2 to move up at some point.

Interesting to hear him say that the spot they might move up to is 18-21 and pretty much completely ruled out moving up into the top 10.

I can’t wait for next Thursday

Him saying that all the more enforced my belief he’s trading up 100% and high too…

You really think he’s coming up and saying yeah we wanna get in the top 10 lol…?

Veach is a master with what to put out there and he knows what he’s doing…

Wouldn’t bank on that. Last year he talked about 1st rd prospects then traded the pick for Brown Jr like 2 hours after the call

Yup.

Throwing him these kinds of bones early is his career is how you avoid the shit-show the Packers are going through in GB.

Lie to him if you have to. Tell him he's the reason you took a guy you were definitely going to take anyway. Make him feel involved.

It doesn't mean you have to go full LeBron and give him the keys to the stadium or anything, but keep him in the loop. The Saints with Drew Brees were always really good about that sort of thing. It builds trust and buy-in with the organization.

Hey pat, uh… the directions you gave me are for a whataburger. This don’t seem right. Call me back! I texted a bunch too.

Yep Brett, he’s a no show again!

With Mecole standing next to Mahomes, Wait, what, Im here...

Not saying we should...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">��BREAKING: Giants are looking to trade WR Kadarius Toney, making calls on what they can get for their 2021 1st round pick <a href="https://t.co/dr3EjB0iDe">https://t.co/dr3EjB0iDe</a> <a href="https://t.co/S8yiQQZYCR">https://t.co/S8yiQQZYCR</a></p>&mdash; Pat Leonard (@PLeonardNYDN) <a href="https://twitter.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1517620824584466432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Kadarius Toney being shopped.

Now I'm guessing that's the Giants seeing the $$$ being given to WRs and thinking they may be able to maximize his value here and get him moved for a 2.

But if we could get him for one of those later 3s I think you have to strongly consider it. He'd come w/ 4 years left on his deal if you factor in the 5th year option; same team control as a 3rd rounder would have. And his price would be relatively low for most of it as any signing bonus accelerates onto NYGs cap.

I think I definitely pick up the phone anyway.

3rd to NYG for Toney, 4th to JAX for Shenault. Profit.

GET IT DONE VANCE!!!

Oh we should for sure. As long as it doesn’t cost anything more than a 3.

I absolutely loved Toney, but he seems like a headcase.

They’re frustrated because he isn’t even showing up to offseason workouts. Terrible sign.

This report comes on the heels of a report from a few days ago saying he skipped voluntary workouts.

Sounds like the Giants are just sick of him already.

And that's after reportedly struggling to learn the playbook last season, after he already skipped workouts and missed time due to contract bullshit.

Well he probably doesn’t want to be in New York. I wouldn’t either. Not with Danny Dimes at QB.

No risk it, no biscuit.

Scared money don’t make money.

For a third the surplus value potential is MASSIVE. And it may not even require that much.

Pass. Dude has checked the box on basically every single locker room cancer criteria.

Based on what I've read about all the on and off field issues he's had, it may not even cost a R3.

Yeah, he skipped workouts as a rookie, again this year, was ejected from a game for throwing a punch, didn't learn the playbook, has been more focused on making a rap album than football and apparently his social media is a disaster.

For a 3rd, if they feel that can get him in check, I’m all for it.

You’re nearing ‘don’t let perfect be the enemy of good’ territory.

There seems to be little that can be done that you wouldn’t take umbrage with at this point. Yes, there’s risk here. But the upside is significant and the cost would be minimal.

I think there's levels to this risk shit though. He's in his 2nd year in the league and is already about to skip workouts for the 2nd time. Even Antonio Brown faked some sanity his first couple years. Toneys not even trying.

According to that….they aren’t even fielding calls….THEY’RE MAKING THEM.

The New York Daily News' Pat Leonard reports the Giants are "looking to trade" 2021 first-round WR Kadarius Toney.

Per Leonard, the Giants are the ones making the calls to other teams and seeing what they can get for last year's No. 20 overall pick. Of course, new GM Joe Schoen and coach Brian Daboll have zero attachment to Toney after he was a Dave Gettleman/Joe Judge pick. But Toney flashed big-play ability when he wasn't injured last season. There's little chance the G-Men get a first-rounder back for Toney, but he still is just 23 years old. Toney has failed to report to the Giants' voluntary offseason program, drawing the ire of Daboll, who made it a point in his media session to note Toney's absence.

What’s the value of a trade down from 30 to 36?

Might be a viable draft day maneuver.

Veach is a wizard

No to Kadarius Toney. Maybe it's living out here and hearing about his every move for the last two years but no thanks. They are shopping him now not because they are trying to maximize his value, but because Daboll tried engaging him and got nowhere. He isn't communicating with the Giants even though they have a new coach, new program.

Now we're talking.

Basically the value of a late R3/early R4 while not giving up an actual asset.

The equivalent of a high 4th.

GET IT DONE FETCH PEACH!!!!!!!!

Which, depending on our draft board, may actually have ZERO impact on us.

And depending on theirs could be a big deal.

I’d definitely make the call and set up some conditional conversations.

**** it I'm down, maybe playing for a good team would motivate him

I’d almost just rather flip them a 4th and then trade down from 30 if we get to it. I could see them waiting until the draft to trade him though.

Couldn't stay healthy in college, thus far has failed to stay healthy as a pro, and doesn't seem to give a shit about actually improving at football. Not so sure about that one. If the Giants are willing to dump a player they just spent a first on and take on the dead money just to get him out of the organization there's something seriously wrong.

Oh without question - it’s a draft day deal only.

If Burks and Karlaftis are there for 29/30, I’m not moving down. But if it’s one of those guys and 5 interchangeable options, maybe I make one pick and trade the other for 36 and Toney.

But I definitely don’t pull that trigger until I’m on the clock.

This is an organization that is standing by Daniel Jones so I don’t know if their decision making is to be trusted…

Though maybe I’m mis-reading you bit here.

If you’re saying ‘if I have to wait until the draft to do the deal and potentially see the draft board blow it apart OR I can just give a 4th now, I’d rather give the 4th…’ then I agree.

At a 4th, when they say yes, I agree and hang up. It’s done.

If it’s a 3rd, I’d rather stand pat and wait for the draft.

He’s a massive headcase and not one you wanna add to the locker room

“But he’s cheap”

You analytic nerds are dumb

And he's an awful rapper too.

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At this point I don't really see what they should've done instead. May as well see what Daboll can do with Daniel Jones and potentially salvage something out of him.

The irony considering you’re almost always willing to make a trade, yet you scoff at the idea of a more low risk high reward one.

Yeah that’s what I meant. Just send them a 4th now. That way if your guys are there…you’re good and you have Toney as added value. Or you add Toney for a 4th and then you’re free to trade down from 30 for more value which is even better.

I like trading for good players that like football

Not rappers

Saw a Giants fan say they should offer Bradberry and Toney for 29 and 94. Holy Shit LMAO

We won a Super Bowl with several headcases/problem guys on the roster.

Hell, we still have some of them around.

Jokes have already started on social media...

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You spent all day walking around your office picking up candy wrappers didn’t you?

Give me all the team captains!!!!

Are they character concerns, though? He just doesn't seem all that interested in football.