For sure, but I think Stephenson isn't a bad developmental guy and depth.

You think that being the lowest scoring team in the NFL might create that type of contempt.

They stunk the whole season because they knew this was a disaster. They mailed it in midway through the season

Luke Joekel and Taylor Lewan are going to be very good LT's in the NFL. And it pisses me the **** off that the Chargers will have a shot to get one of them.

They are good prospects, but they aren't Willie Roaf. Or even Jake Long at this point.

Well Ive heard Joeckel is very much like Long and Joe Thomas

IMO, Joe Thomas is the best LT in football.


Joeckel is good, but he's also coming from a pure spread scheme and from what I've watched, he's not as good as Kalil.


Now, I'm no OL guru either.

No but they will definitely be above average LT's.

Lewan shut down the best pass rusher in college in his bowl game and Joekel has been very good all year. OU didn't lay a hand on Johnny Football in the pocket.

Either would be huge upgrade to what they have right now.

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I dont think Long is that good

He's not now, but as a prospect he was.

Ya prospect wise he was ok

Hopefully puttin the west coast offense into place will help Jon Baldwin to become the player he needs to be but i seriously doubt it

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Philly fan here. I'm not sure if this has been posted, but thought you guys might like this.

Those are awesome, thanks. Cool seeing him be a smart ass, side you dont get to see in press conferences.

Bullshit.

You don't know ****ing dick about football.

Players, especially an entire offense, don't just quit.

You're dumber than Daboll.

Quickest thread to 6.5K ever?

Few interesting observations. Holmgren's tree has an interesting approach to coaching. Very positive attitude and they discipline not by yelling, but by being interactive in drills and coaching up players on the sidelines of games. Mariucci was the same way. The motivation as a player is that if you don't do things right, Reid won't yell at you, but he's going to notice and keep poking at you until you get it right. Different from Haley or Bellichick. They'll yell at you, whereas Reid/Holmgren will constantly ask you "why did you do that?"

The other interesting thing is him getting dressed down by Holmgren. As I've said before, I prefer Holmgren to Reid and I think you see why. Reid is organized, but seems loose at times. Might explain game management issues and I've wondered at times if McNabb and Vick play too loose and lacked some intensity. When you watch Holmgren's Sound FX, you see a different type of coach. Holmgren is a more direct and down to business version of Reid. And you see that not only in the QB play, but in the QBs he picks.

Good stuff. Our players are going to play much sounder football. And Eagles players always play hard and technically sound football. Players are going to love Reid.

I have come to trust your wisdom in these matters.

ROFL

Let's scheme to suck for Luck. Oh that was last year? Can we flush this clown quick enough?

You're serious? It so shut the **** up bundle of sticks go jump in front of an SUV

God you're a ****ing moron Jane mcclown. Players don't quit? Ok I don't know what you were watching

Branden Albert is an above average LT.

The talk about Lewan and Joeckel should stop.

Now.

Neither of them are worth the #1 overall pick.

Geno Smith and Tyler Wilson are above average QB prospects.

Luke Joeckel and Taylor Lewan are NOT above average LT prospects. I'd rather have guys like Kalil and Okung WAY more

He's talking about the Chargers

I hope they take Joeckel. That would be awesome.

The team didn't quit. They just had the worst QB play in NFL history. Charles sure the **** didn't "quit", neither did the O-line, recievers game their all, but what are you going to do when the ball sails out of bounds???

Youre gona tell me the D didnt quit? Youre gona tell me Bowe didnt quit? Whatever man I know what I saw. I dont blame them. The ex GM put this team in a disaster state

what the **** does that mean?

The idea that all motivation, focus, and discipline didn't largely contribute to the Chiefs' horrible 2012 season is baloney. The team did not quit, but they played soft, lazy at times, and without discipline. And they lost their confidence several times, which is almost the same thing as quitting.

I wouldn't say they quit, but I would say they lost focus because the QB position was so awful.

It's a lot more to do with coaching than the QB position. The same shitty QB was with them for three years prior -- while the team had lapses at time, it was still a generally tough, disciplined, focus football team. Last year, there are maybe 2 or 3 games where I thought the team showed up to play.

...and their zilla goes with a subtle blowing of Todd Haley again!!

LMAO

So, a knocking a typo is your best argument....awesome

You are really telling me that guys like Hali, Houston, DJ, Berry, and Flowers "quit"?? Damn, imagine how good they'd be if they tried. Oh yeah another ****stick Bowe hater....or is it the same ****stick Bowe hater :hmmm:

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Love what? This team quit. Watch the broncos game and the previous games. They played to finish the season. How else do you explain getting stomped by the browns?

I'm not another Bowe hater you piece of shit! I like Bowe and have always said it

Go be a bills fan and root for thigpen

It is just absurd that you can't see the difference in focus and effort between the 2011 and 2012 squad. And that you don't think coaching had everything to do with it. That's a subtle compliment to Haley but it's mostly an indictment of Romeo.

The effort of the 2012 squad sucked, but why is that the benchmark?

The effort of the 2011 sucked too, although not at that level.

espn reported that kelly is not taking browns job, they are starting search over


and marrone took the bills job....

They didn't quit. That implies that they didn't care.

Did they play with confidence? Absolutely not, and often looked completely defeated. Did they play smart? No. And they made a ton of stupid penalties which is usually the sign of lousy coaching. Did they play focused? No, players were freelancing and getting away with it. Did they play tough? No, they played soft and we know that because we've seen these same guys hit people in the mouth before.

And coaching is a symptom of that. A coach who stands on the sidelines like a statue isn't going to motivate or energize a team. A coach who doesn't care about conditioning or in well coordinated drills is going to get a sloppy team. A coach that lets mistakes fly, is going to coach players who make mistakes. And that's what happened last year. It was a perfect storm of horrible coaching crippling otherwise decent players.

The difference between 2011 and 2012?

5 wins.

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Exactly I'm not slamming the players I love these guys they went out and played in a disaster of a year. But last year they turned it on midway. This year nothing

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The beginning of 2011 was lousy conditioning. Poor decision on Haley's part. After that, there were only 2 games where the team didn't look like they showed up to play in 2011. Miami and New York.

But in well over half of the games, the effort and toughness were there. You can say that those occasional lapses in effort are a failure on Haley's part. But it's crazy talk not to see the difference in effort in half of the games where we were competing in 2011 vs. any and all games in 2012.

You want to see a team "quit" on a coach....Last year against the Jets :eek:

You clearly have blinders on.

Comparing 2011 to 2012 is like comparing diarrhea to projectile vomit.

Who the **** cares. Sell your pro Haley agenda elsewhere.

Ok watch the Denver game in Denver, sadly it took a player tragedy for this team to play its best

Bingo.

And yet people didn't want to listen to reason last offseason. :facepalm:

Anyone who is pro Haley is delusional! Look he didn't get the fairest shake but he ruined the best thing in his career... Charlie Weis. He was a meddling douche bag of a head coach

You did leave out Rodgers:hmmm:

At least that was mutual, because I thought Haley quit on the team during that game, too.

No, it's that in your guys' criticism of Haley, you guys are actually defending Romeo.

You may not like that the team quit on Haley a few games during his time. I am asking you to compare the more than half of games in 2010 and 2011 where the Chiefs showed effort (toughness, effort, hitting people in the mouth, reducing mistakes). And then compare them to any of the shit Romeo ever put on the field.

I am not using 2011 as a way of saying this is what a perfect football team looks like. PGM is pitching the ridiculous idea that the effort in 2011 was the same as in 2012. Total and utter horse shit. And again, that is a lot more a criticism of Romeo than it is praise for Haley.

Both seasons as a whole sucked something fierce!

Here's how I'd describe the Romeo era and how bad of a coach he was.

Romeo's entire season resembled Haley's beginning of 2011 season abortion against Detroit and Buffalo. All but a few games. Haley's teams during those 2 games sucked because of poor conditioning. Romeo's sucked because of a culture of a complete lack of accountability or any hint of motivation.

The team suffered blowouts ALL throughout the 'Team-killer' Pioli regime. That is the common denominator. Check my sig. It was an embarrasing 4 years of football chocked full of horrendous QB play, bad leadership, and coaching...simple as that.

Haley, RAC, Pioli, The Patriot Way...

Unless the new regime gives us a reason to consult history to prove how poorly they're handling things, we should never utter the above words again. Three pieces of shit, headlined by the GM, and one farcical concept wasted four years of my fandom.

All of them cannot be mother****ed enough. Please, though, let's look forward.

I am merely challenging the ridiculous idea that people don't think Romeo's horrific coaching made this team even worse than our bad team in 2011, and that yes, coaching absolutely has a significant impact on the effort of the product on the field. Something Reid fixes and, unlike Haley's squads, Reid will get us to play with that effort 16 games a year.

Reid is a much better coach than Haley in many aspects. The effort part isn't one of them, except that he'll get it more consistently.

Thank god team killer is gone. No coincidence that he's fired and we get a big name coach

Flying Walrus. He will land on you.

The term "the team quit" is a fairly general term and it should be read that way. You can't pin it to an individual or a few.

When a team is not disciplined and mentally prepared it plays soft. This is strictly on coaching and it was my number one objection to promoting RAC to HC. This team managed to win a couple of games this season but it was even a "worse team" than that despite all the players you named. Those players may have not have "quit" in the last game per your definition. But IMO even their level of intensity either dropped or became inconsistent after the missed kick. That's what happens when the realization of hopelessness creeps into men's mind, specially in a collision sport.

So IMO this team did "quit" whether they knew it or not. You could clearly see the deflation of of intensity in most of the players. Less clearly, but still visible among our top players.

And the good part is this team is going to be coached in a more disciplined style, and yes I can't wait to watch the players you named play with hope again.

Bingo.

Romeo + Cassel is enough to make any grown man not give a shit.

The team had no discipline, weren't taught to perform and respect the "little" things, and were unfocused all together.


We had an absolute bottom of the barrel coaching staff this year. Like, terribly awful, all the way around.

Correct.

Seconded.

:clap: This team lost before they took the field. The defense knew it. I didnt say Charles quit ofcourse you could tell he was trying to carry the team

LMAO sure

Youre a ****ing one who sucks the penis. Go drink a bottle of rat poison and bob for cocks in a barrel in a gay bar. Players dont just quit? Ya you tell yourself that. Take the blinders off

JFC. This board's hatred for Haley is unbelievably ridiculous.

The team goes 2-14 after adding Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, Eric Winston, and Tony Moeaki, and gets blown out pretty much every game, and there are only a handful of people that realize that Romeo made this team significantly worse with poor coaching?

This isn't even praise for Haley. This is acknowledgement that Romeo was a flat out horrible coach.

No because he was a gigantic wad of cock! If he wouldve of shut up and let Weis go maybe things would be different

Weis isn't the messiah people make him out to be either

Anybody who refuses to buy your ridiculous theories and excuses for Haley thinks Romeo was good. Ok. LMAO

Haley's ego was about as big as Team Killer's. Haley couldnt ****ing just let his coaches coach. He had to interefere and **** it up

Haley sure looked lost without him.

Chiefzilla has a good point, really.

Haley was probably not a good coach. But he had some merits, however small.

Romeo is, historically, a catastrophically embarrassing coach.

Only 11 head coaches in NFL history have a worse winning percentage.

Out of 159.

Does anybody doubt Romeo was a horrible coach?