Franklin's running ability is impressive. But of course that doesn't make up for his terrible passing and how turnover prone he is. He single-handedly lost the game for us.

I wish we'd run the pistol more often.

Ballsack!

and yet you still needed a garbage time TD to pull it close, and an overturned fumble call even Mizzou fans thought was bogus.

This offense needs a ****ing enema. It's predictable enough as it is the way they run it, but once you put a QB in there that just can't run it, you're hosed.

I don't mind if they use the spread as their base O, but for ****'s sake mix in some pro-set. It's probably my biggest pet peeve of MU right now. Stale offense.

I'm honestly not even impressed with Franklin's running ability. Yeah, he's a good athlete, but he's too methodical in this aspect of his game, too.

Right now, he's a complete mess, which is unfortunate for everyone involved.

It's true, you guys beat us. More to the point - Snyder coached circles around Pinkel.

It's the sign of a weak conference. :D


;)

What, the KU/KSU guys weren't annoyed enough for you already?

I look forward to your upcoming spinoff: Views from a non AQ conference.

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It's like a bizarro West-Coast offense.

Walsh swore by the WC offense because it made the defense cover the entire field, not just 60% of it. They need to account for the flats, the middle, etc...; not just the deep 1/3s.

Well Yost has managed to make the defense account for the flats, the middle, etc...and IGNORE the deep 1/3s. We simply don't attack downfield at all. We run bubble screen after bubble screen after quick out after quick out. We run all these damn high risk, low reward plays. We aren't even sending Egnew into those seems where he can use his size advantage to go up and get a ball or shield off a defender to make the play.

If you're only going to use 1/2 the field, at least use the deep 1/2 and pull the safeties back to help the run game. And that way, on the off chance you do complete a pass, it goes for more than 3 yards.

Instead all we do is make sure that the entire defense can cram itself into a 20 yard area and create congestion everywhere.

It's a poorly designed offense that's being poorly run. But/for the unexpected explosion of Henry Josey, this team would be abysmal. I'm hoping it's just because this O-Line isn't a very good pass-blocking line. I watched a 3rd down play on Saturday where OSU's lineman stood up, hit the LG in the chest, and the LG just went down. Man to man, head up, and the D-Lineman simply knocked the guard to his ass. It was pathetic and I knew by the end of that 2nd drive that the game was over.

I guess the line thing is possible, but it's not a hell of a lot more acceptable. They were supposed to be beyond this point. They were supposed to have depth on the lines by now. It's just disappointing to see how stagnant they've been this season.

lol, this is pretty funny.

Thanks for sharing

Garbage-time TD? There were more than 5 minutes left on the clock after Mizzou's last TD. That is not garbage time. Cutting it to one possession with plenty of time remaining to kick it deep and not even have to use time outs is not garbage time.

Missouri missed two sub-40 yard field goals in that game and threw a pick that gave ksu the ball at the 15. You were lucky to escape with the win. Just like you'll be lucky to still be in an AQ league in six years.

They've barely run the bubble screen this season. They've run it so little, I've actually been CALLING for it (never thought I'd ask them to do it MORE).

I agree that Franklin hasn't hit the deep third of the field as well as possible this season. It's been strange, though. When they've run longer routes (which they've done a ton on third down, one of the reasons the conversion percentage is down so much and a staple of Dave Yost's time as OC), Franklin hasn't read/reacted quickly enough. When they've run short stuff, the D has been smothering it.

Need to change up tendencies there.

I am not giving up on Franklin yet. His running ability - though not a Pat White/Brad Smith level - is dangerous enough that teams have to respect him on the zone read (one of the reasons Josey has been so successful).

Throwing the ball, he doesn't make his reads quickly enough and his footwork is sloppy. When his footwork is good, he looks pretty solid throwing the ball. When it's bad, he's pretty awful.

Adjusting to the speed of the college game and improving footwork are both things that are workable.

To me, he's very similar to Zac Robinson at oSu. if they can get bowl eligible this year and he keeps progressing, the offense could really take a jump next season.

Of course, the expiration of the eiligibility of Wes "Runs in Quicksand" Kemp and Brandon "5-8 walk-on who plays because he blocks well" Gerau will mean that they will have to give more PT to Ladamian Washington and Marcus Lucas. Which is a good thing.

I'm going to be surprised if Franklin is behind center next season.

And if their goddamn fullback doesn't make a 1-handed catch behind his head and rumble for 30 yards on 3rd down (after it damn near got deflected), they're punting back to MU with 2 minutes to drive for a tie after scoring on their last 2 possessions. Throw that ball 100 more times and I'll bet he doesn't catch a single one of them, but oh well.

They won, we lost. I have to live with that. At the same time, MU came out and absolutely gave the first half to K-State w/ the poorest effort I've seen from a collective unit sense the Larry Smith era. They simply didn't come ready to play, coming off a bye week no less. Even with that, MU still had a very good chance to win that game in Manhattan.

But such is life - they got the win. That doesn't mean I have to speak of a team that's incapable of throwing the football in hushed tones. Klein is essentially a slower version of Franklin with even less talent, but Snyder's done a masterful job of hiding his weaknesses and showcasing his strengths.

In other words - smoke and mirrors.

Washington's been quite a find. Which is pretty amazing considering how poorly Franklin's thrown downfield this year and how that's clearly Washington's strength.

He wasn't on my radar at all coming into this season but he's really made an impression on me.

He's a great kid, too. Really speedy. Eats up ground on DBs, kind of like Danario Alexander, even though it looks like he's jogging.

Offense will look much different next year. Lucas is probably the next guy at the H position (Egnew/Alexander/Maclin/Rucker). I think he'll be pretty explosive there.

I like Washington on the outside at the X. Moe still in the slot (Y). Eric Waters at the Z (Blocking heavy, short-routes. What Coffman played when on the field with Rucker/Tommy Saunders' poisition).

And hopefully Dorial Green-Beckham to take one of those positions away from whoever he wants. I know the kid has a friendship with and admiration of Danario Alexander, and I think their strategy is to recruit him to play the H position Danario beasted his senior year.

I'd be cool with that. DGB/Washington/Lucas/Moe would be a nice pairing with Franklin/Josey.

How about those overturned calls for turnovers?

If a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass.

butthurt!

I haven't seen Berkstresser play much, but I have a hard time seeing him beat out Franklin. Mauk would have to enroll in January, learn the playbook, learn how to run the zone read (his HS is five-wide all game long) and adjust to the huge jump in competition.

I think Franklin's the guy again next year, unless Berk takes it from him.

:LOL:

OK, man. If that's your definition of garbage-time TD - that any TD scored inside 10 minutes of a two-possession game is garbage time - then that's cool.

You're wrong about what garbage time is, but that's your right.

Good luck against OU.

I suppose it's a stretch to call it garbage time, but KSU basically started playing prevent defense (albeit somewhat poorly as evidenced by the TDs we gave up). If we continued the same defense we did the rest of the game, you never get back to within a score again.

To me, a score against a prevent D is garbage.

Washington is a guy I look at when I say I'm not worried about Pinkel's ability to re-build recruiting from the SEC.

Washington was probably our 'worst' recruit in 2009. He wasn't highly touted, wasn't highly sought after, just a tall fast kid from Louisiana that looked like an athlete.

3 years later he's looking like he could take the starting role next year from Sasser and Hunt, 2 highly touted members of (arguably) Mizzou's best ever recruiting class.

This staff simply doesn't go chasing Rivals guys. They look for athletes that fit their profile and they coach them to the offense. Guess what? There's a shitload of those athletes in SEC country. There's a bunch of *** guys out there that aren't getting offers from Florida or Georgia that this staff could do a ton with.

Now if they could just take some of those athletes and teach them to play DB.

basketball!

My wife's brother is really good friends with DGB. Sorry bro, but he isn't making his way to Columbia.

BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSSSSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAcccccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

If I had a nickel for every time I've heard something like that since this kid's freshman year of HS, I'd be in pretty good shape...

That's not true by the way.

I know I know.

He's going to Arkansas.

Yeah, that's what I keep reading.

I don't anticipate him coming to Columbia.

KK has a new man crush.

Billiy Joe Tolliver - "We didn't even know Missouri played football"

I'm taking the:

"Not expecting to get him but not believing anything until we hear it from the family/DGB himself" approach.

Losing him to Petrino would be difficult to stomach.

He did make a trip to Columbia for homecoming, but it was then said that MIZ wasn't in his top 5.

The fact that Arkansas runs a prostyle offense and throws the ball all over the place and look at the receivers they will put in the NFL this year. It makes it pretty tough to see him not going to Fayettvile.

The top 3 quote that didn't include Mizzou came out after the Arkie visit, and it was from another player, who he met on the recruiting trip to Arkansas for the very first time. I have a hard time seeing a kid as quiet and reserved as DGB talking to a guy he just met about something he won't talk about outside his family.

John Beckham then said it wasn't true, that a top 3 hadn't been named.

Then he visited Mizzou for homecoming.

Missouri, Oklahoma and Arkansas all offer quite a bit to a kid who wants to be in a passing offense. And I think Jeremy Maclin has had more NFL success than anybody Bobby Petrino has coached (unless I'm forgetting someone)...

1999, ND and Texas

He also lost consecutive post season games in 2003, K-State and LSU

You don't think DGB will be impressed by the career of future HOF Harry Douglas?

Have you watched Arkansas the past two seasons? They have receivers running all over the place and they throw it 50 times a game. Plus with Wilson coming back next year vs. Franklin?

I'm just saying if it was me and I was in his situation, Arkansas offers a better situation next year than Mizzou or Oklahoma.

I'm not saying Arkansas doesn't offer anything, not at all. And I know they have several excellent receivers this season.

Just saying Jeremy Maclin has had a better career and was drafted higher than any of those guys are likely to be. He did OK at Mizzou.

DGB also has been talking quite a bit to Maty Mauk, the QB in Mizzou's class. Mauk has family in Springfield and set up a visit with DGB while he was there to hang out and throw the ball.

Wilson is good, but DGB would only have one year to play with him. And though Franklin has had some struggles this year, he also has put up big-time performances against OU and ASU on primetime, as well as when DGB was there to watch him.

Again, not saying I don't see any allure to Arkansas. Just that Missouri has some allure, too, and it has some advantages as well.

Why do you think the decision is being made solely on next year? Arkansas doesn't have anyone behind Tyler Wilson, so who will throw DGB the ball the other two/three years he will be in school?

And he's probably only looking at a 3-yr college career, so that freshman season is going to be a big one for him.

MU had a lot of momentum in this thing going into the fall, all the way down to Mauk having been observed throwing with DGB a time or two. Too bad this season has been such a crap-fest.

I'd probably head to Arkansas as well, were I DGB. Jones is about to take off, so he may have another 'Franklin' in Oklahoma. And the original article hasn't shown that he has any ability at all to maximize a downfield WRs talents.

If you're only looking to play for 3 years at the collegiate level, Arkansas absolutely looks like the best situation to go into.

I would disagree a little that it's all about his freshman year... his sophomore and junior years will be very important for his draft position. Probably more important than his freshman year.

He seems pretty comfortable with Maty Mauk, who likely will be throwing him the ball at least his junior year and possibly his sophomore year, too (Hell, Mauk MIGHT be throwing him the ball all three years if he gets here in the spring).

Jealous, butthurt, ballsack.

Like Dj just stated, he's not gonna be anywhere for four years. The guy could probably make the jump after 1 or 2 years. No offense, I consider myself a Mizzou football fan, but looking at the style of offense Mizzou runs vs. Arkansas, I'm picking Arkansas.

Yah Mizzou has alot to offer as well, won't argue with you there. But Mauk may not start until year 3 of DGB. Prob. year 2 but who knows.

Franklin has also absolutely shit the bed against inferior teams this year. Door swings both ways.

DGB can't make the jump after 1 or 2 years. He has to play three seasons where ever he goes.

His sophomore and junior seasons will be very, very important to him. Though to be honest, he's such a gifted specimen, it probably doesn't mattter how productive he is in college.

I wasn't saying he was gonna go after 1 or 2. Just that he would be ready to make the jump if he could.

I think you are overplaying the whole Mauk situation. It will make some difference, but if it's me I'm picking the best system for my talents. Not what qb could be playing with me 2 or 3 years down the road.

Pinkel should just offer to make Mauk the starter if DGB will sign on the dotted line...

I think he can springboard himself to a Megatron type draft position if he comes in and rocks the world as a freshman. Then he'll get some slack for his 'sophomore slump' under a new quarterback the following year, and he'll be primed for that big junior season w/ a quarterback in his 2nd year as a starter (throwing to a nice big target).

I understand that there are a lot of plusses for Mizzou as well (Mauk being the most apparent), but if I'm him, I look at the season Mizzou has had and wonder if they haven't peaked for the next few years, especially w/ the move to the SEC.

This.

I think it will hurt MIz alot with the year they are having. Especially if LSU beats Alabama, then Arkansas runs the table and beats LSU on Thanksgiving weekend in Baton Rouge. They would prob go on to win the SEC and get a BCS bowl.

Which looks more impressive, a BCS bowl or the Holliday Bowl?

Not a knock on Mizzou, their last three qb's are in the NFL and MIzzou fans havnen't realized what they had.

Is there not a MIZZOU football thread where this boring conversation could be taking place?

Oh this thread has always been about Mizzou, didn't you know?

Do you have something to contribute?

Mizzou fans how the **** do you let someone from your own state thats as gifted as DGB go to another school?

Sure.

I think that Washington kid sounds like a real baller. Him and DMB together would be awesome.

SEC Championship!

Big 12 report:

In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference.

The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.


:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm:

KU/KSU/ISU should be thanking MU for twisting Bevo's tail!

I sent a nice floral arrangement to Columbia last week.

Dear Deaton:

As I know this has now gone above Alden's head, please be advised that the fans of the University of Missouri will probably find you and gut your worthless chickenshit ass if you bail out of this.

-- Mgmt.

I thought this was a done deal? They will probably screw this up someway.

Deaton's a pussy.

.

Deloss Dodds convincing Deaton not to withdraw from the Big 12 today.

http://cdn.mos.totalfilm.com/images/...nen-630-75.jpg

God damnit. If MU ****s this up, i'll be royally pissed. GET THE **** OUT ALREADY.

They wouldn't, would they?

Yeah...yeah they would...

I just..... I don't even.......

I expect him to announce they are going to the sec once he is back in columbia.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/weblo...-mu-to-big-12/
No withdrawal notice from MU to Big 12

By Dave Matter
Posted October 24, 2011 at 6:17 p.m.

The Big 12 board of directors wrapped up its meeting Monday in Dallas without Missouri announcing its withdrawal from the conference. Instead, the Big 12 offered this statement Monday evening:

In a regularly-scheduled meeting today at an undisclosed Dallas area location, the Big 12 Conference Board of Directors reaffirmed previous action to execute institutional grants of Tier 1 (over-the-air) and Tier 2 (cable) television rights to the Conference. The Board also discussed a wide range of topics including NCAA legislation, the Bowl Championship Series, and exploration of a Conference dedicated TV network. Additionally, a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed. All 10 member institutions and TCU participated in the meeting.

Why no withdrawal from Missouri? A university source indicated that Monday was too soon to expect Chancellor Brady Deaton to work out several details with both the Big 12 and Southeastern Conference before formally completing the withdrawal process.

Deep breath........finding center..........opening eyes slowly.......

Mizzou is playing the long con.

If Deaton and MU screw this up you can kiss a huge portion of the fanbase goodbye.

Nah...maybe some fallout, but those fans will come back around football season.

Deaton needs to explain.....

Why is everyone freaking out?

Ever seen a kicked puppy flinch?

LMAO

Point taken.

I think most of us were thinking an official announcement of withdrawal from the Big 12 would be announced today.

Heartbreaking.

Haha. Succinct.

Dave Matter:

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