Well 2 gaping will do that to you. But we do need some rushers up front

Whats up with the GM spot?

We absolutely need Rivera to get fired

Hali and DJ have thrived since going to the 3-4...they are Pro-bowlers. Houston is from a similar mold.

Reid is smart enough to keep the 3-4 for at least next year....I hope. :shrug:

You never know with a new regime. I don't care at this point what they decide to go with, the team has been so bad. Just make it work.

GM is John Dorsey so it isnt a lateral move. Heckert is coming on as an assistant. Man I cant ****ing wait

Sure he can. But his real strength is attacking the ball. You are taking him away from what he does best.

Yes.

Is that shit finalized??? :spock:

Cause if it is...it's the equivalent of an NFL 69 yard FG.....seriously. Don't play, bitch!!!

:hmmm:

Just stating some thoughts, not the end of the world if we change to 4-3

Wouldn't mind seeing Justin Houston play Von Miller's position in the 4-3. Should do well there.

End of the world? Only if we decide to play that passive bullshit.

It's just an unnecessary waste of resources that we need to be using on the offense.

Completely illogical to take our 3 best players on D, plus our first round pick from last year, who are best suited for 3-4 and switch to a 4-3. The only suggestion I've seen that seems ok is a Dungver style 4-3.

What you and everyone else WHINING about a defensive change needs to realize is one thing:

We have built nothing on defense.

We do not have a good defense.

We have a few good players who have experienced a modicum of success over the course of 2-3 years.

Changing it is NOT the end of the world.

There is a great 34 de from Florida that could be had in the 2nd

No, its not. Dorsey is in NT this weekend interviewing with the Jets according to ESPN.

Floyd will likely be a 1st round pick.

Exactly! Our D when it counted got ****ed in the ass. BAL, SD, CIN killed us. Hell every game they sucked except BAL, PIT, first DEN game. Every one shredded us. For all the accolades RAC got, Chan Gailey made him his bitch

ROFL

First of all, nobody is whining.

Second of all, we have several pieces of a good 3-4 already in place. Ramming them into a 4-3 lessens their impact.

To say we've built nothing on defense is categorically false.

Several of these guys were already here, setting records for futility in a 4-3. So yeah.

You would think we had built the 97 Chiefs defense or something the last two years.

Uh, no.

If we change schemes and have the 15th ranked defense well, um, that would be an improvement by five spots.

Im not saying we dont completely have nothing on D but our D sucks. Its shown it can do things but my concerns have been in clutch situations

If we change schemes, we won't have the 15th ranked defense. That's the whole point.

The guys everybody wants to build around - Dorsey, Hali, DJ - were part of one of the worst 4-3 cover 2 defenses ever.

If they want to change, fine. But it needs to be because they feel our existing pieces are better fit for that. Not just because thats what they are comfortable with.


We know Tamba is better in the 34, same with DJ. Houston likely is better as a 34 OLB.


We have 2 great pass rushers and a great MLB. We need to be putting better passrushers up front.

The scheme was held back by horrible coaching this year. Two years ago, it was held back by an outdated scheme. When Romeo chose to attack with the defense they were very good. When he didn't, they were so-so or terrible.

The talent is fine. It's the scheme more than anything.

And Hali and DJ were ALSO part of two 4-3 cover 2 defenses that were pretty decent in 06 and 07.

As decent as ANY defense Crennel put on the field.

And yes, those teams had Jared Allen, but this team also has Justin Houston.

I just don't see it the same way. We're not throwing away talent if we switch schemes. Justin Houston, playing as a 4-3 end, might be even better. He wouldn't waste any ****ing snaps dropping in coverage for sure.

There's zero 1-gap DL talent on this roster, with the one exception of Poe, who is a giant question mark.

ZERO.

Exactly. I don't give a shit about rankings this year. We were terrible on offense, defense, special teams and out-coached everywhere.

The facts are that our top defensive talent (Hali, Dorsey, DJ) are best suited for the 3-4. Poe was drafted for the 3-4.

DJ and Hali are all pro's in the 34 role and Houston very well could be. Poe is a wildcard but has alot of physical ability and showed ability to rush the passer.


Would Hali, DJ and Houston be as good in a 43?

All the more reason switching schemes make no ****ing sense. You're basically advocating a switch to the Tampa 2. That's moronic on multiple levels and detrimental to the teams long term success.

I do gota say our Defense was playing with 0 confidence! Knowing our offense wouldnt put up 7 had to affect them

Did you watch Houston when he played at Georgia? I'm guessing no. Houston is a perfect fit at 3-4 OLB.

And you keep acting like that's such a big issue because we don't have a JJ Watt? The 3-4 DE position, even in a 1-gap, isn't that hard to fill. And it's very possible that some of our players can be coached differently to play 1-gap. The reason they don't play it today is because they are coached to read and react, versus attacking.

If your hangup is that we don't have 3-techniques to play 3-4 DE, that's pretty petty.

It's laughable.

He's been spending too much time with PFF.

He's a nerd. He sees all these + and - and thinks they're like strength bonuses in a role playing game.

Hey phil emery uses PFF :wayne:

Lets not get all up in arms until we know who the DC is gonna be.


Reid was best with Jim Johnson was running the D. Closest thing to that is a guy who IIRC learned under him in Rivera.


So, everyone hope tonight before bed that J. Richardson is having a bad day tomorrow.


Anyway, anyone with sources hearing anything tonight about coordinators?

He uses a lot more than that. You can't rely on just one source. The idea that you HAVE to have a JJ Watt to run a 1-gap 3-4 is just hilariously silly.

I'd rather find 2 OLBs than 2 DL, that's basically the jist of it.

So you think Dj, Hali and Houston will be as good in a 43?

Way oversimplified. You're diminishing the value of your 3 best players on defense.

Well, 1-gap linemen are much easier to get in the later rounds than cover 2 OLBs and we NEED our 2nd round pick for the offense.

So while I respect your opinion I still say you are wrong.

He already said as much.

Eh, they might be.


But we know what they are in a 34 set. I'm just so ****ing tired of a 2 gap system.


And if they do like they talked about and the Faid cut Seymour, I'd bring him in.

I don't really have a huge problem with the 4-3 if we maximize what we have. Leave Houston at OLB with a bigger DE in front of him, leave DJ in the middle, etc. Maybe we can do a hybrid this year and transition.

I'm just a firm believer that we need to use our 2nd and 3rd round picks on offensive playmakers. We need a utility WR and a TE if we are gonna go all in on a QB.

I'm just a big fan of the 34 like the Ravens, Texans, Steelers run.

We're not far off from looking for DJ's replacement. Cat's 30 already.

God I feel old.

I think we all are. Though the Texans have better dline we got better LBs and secondary. BAL is going down hill and now with Lewis retiriring and Reed likely following suit theyre gona start to go down hill too. Steelers D is getting old and slowing down

I could see DJ being the type that plays into his mid 30's... he is still a damn good player that hasn't lost a step.

London Fletcher says what?

Baltimore's defense has already gone downhill. They're a shadow of what they used to be.

ROFL.

That's sort of like using Jerry Rice to say that Bowe can play until he's 40, or Darrell Green to say the same for Flowers. Guys that are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Course I hope that DJ is one of them, too. But you gotta be cautious in your optimism.

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They are cleaning out Pioli's office and found picture of a shirtless Tom Brady with Pioli's face taped over Gisele's in a heart frame

Of course, but at 30 DJ hasn't shown any signs of slowing down and there are several LBs who have had long careers.

Ray Lewis, Takeo Spikes, Keith Brooking, Brian Urlacher, James Harrison all still playing.

Any update on the coaches? They supposedly were told today they were fired

I'm guessing you want us to get a cb in fa like drc over drafting a guy like Rhodes?

Wow haha it does make you feel old. I'm gonna feel old when Jeter retires

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I hear good chance Doug Pederson will be Andy's offensive coordinator & Matt Nagy QBs coach. Matt was quality control in Philly, Doug QBs.

Shit, dudes gonna reel in Heckert AND Dorsey.

Hell, get both. If Rhodes is there in rd 2 (I think he'll be gone) you have to take him. Same deal with Sharrif Floyd. I do think Matt Elam would be there, and would love KC to draft him, but he can be argued for/against with other guys. Rhodes and Floyd are almost must takes at the top of round 2.

Hunt took them to Capitol Grille tonight, Reid had to pay.

It would be an absolute shock if Shurmur or Childress isn't his OC.

Rhodes or Floyd would be awesome gets, IMO.

Wouldn't Dorsey rather go for a job where he has control of the roster instead of coming to KC (despite the relationship with Reid) where he doesn't?

I'd LOVE to nab Dorsey. Just wondering.

From what we've heard from TBG and others in the media, it's almost a done deal for Dorsey here.

Maybe he doesn't care, wants to win a Super Bowl, wants to get paid, and loves Andy Reid.

Merica, **** yeah.

Wife is from here.

@BrianCoz: Tom Heckert has canceled his interview with the Jets #NYJ

Awesome. Well being that I've heard Reid's weakness is evaluating defensive talent, I'll go ahead and say that this would be epic.

And yay for the power of women.

Again?

Common down!

Ya he called to tell them again KC is building a mega front office

To get a front office of Dorsey and Heckert would be tremendous! :D

Also it seems Shurmur would be the OC and Pederson is the QB coach. Not sure if Childress would have a spot or not unless he coached a different position?

Per Rotoworld:

Former Browns GM Tom Heckert has canceled his general manager interview with the Jets.

Either Heckert is headed to Kansas City with Andy Reid, or he's seen writing on the wall that the Jets will be hiring Tom Gamble. Heckert is tentatively expected to land a front-office job with the Chiefs, but not necessarily GM.

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Yours and mine end of the world does not equate CPs end of the world....

Our 3 best defensive players could be as good in the 4-3 as they have been the last few years in a 3-4. As lomg as its not a Tampa 2 crap. Think more hybrid, either has benefits is all I'm saying. Just like too many posters thought Hali couldn't make the change from DE to OLB

This all day! If Clark wants him. He will get him!