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lewdog 07-02-2013 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9789017)
As some of you may know, ChiefsandO's fan was banned from this thread based on a complaint/report that he trolls Royals fans. This isn't unusual. We frequently ban Mizzou fans from Kansas threads and vice-a-versa. But he wants back in. You tell me through rep (pos or neg - simply because I don't follow the thread and don't want to have to dig through, tallying votes) whether you want to allow him back in the thread or not. Majority wins.

I vote no as well and I think the majority are in agreement. He posts baseball news we don't care about and then trolls us telling us how shitty the Royals are, when in fact most of us know that.

It really would allow those of us who watch this team to have civilized conversations with people who have factual baseball knowledge.

I really appreciate you guys looking at this and banning him from Royals threads.

lewdog 07-02-2013 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9789042)

When he really wants to troll he will have access to the game threads.

I think banning him from any thread created with a Royals prefix would be good but don't know if that type of limiting can be done?

sedated 07-02-2013 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infidel Goat (Post 9789131)
To his credit, he did break the Francouer news recently...

Anyone with no life and a computer can regurgitate twatter posts. That guy is a worthless douche and is clearly not wanted by either the Chiefs or Royals fanbases.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-02-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9789270)
I think banning him from any thread created with a Royals prefix would be good but don't know if that type of limiting can be done?

That would be so awesome.

Coach 07-02-2013 08:21 PM

Rejected.

Mama Hip Rockets 07-02-2013 08:26 PM

Collins is infuriatingly inconsistent.

Phobia 07-02-2013 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9789270)
I think banning him from any thread created with a Royals prefix would be good but don't know if that type of limiting can be done?

Can't be done automatically without a motivated code-monkey or resources to hire one. I don't think dumping from this one was too much to ask but you might have difficulty getting a mod to ban him from every game thread.

Prison Bitch 07-02-2013 09:07 PM

He is a piece of shit who does nothing but bash te Royals. He is a loser who should've been banned from Royals threads long ago. Do any of you go to an Orioles forum to flame?

Nightfyre 07-02-2013 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 9789456)
Collins is infuriatingly inconsistent.

Maybe Yost should stop using him like he's a goddamned lefty specialist when he has better splits against righties. Not that that is an excuse for walking two dudes in a row.

Sure-Oz 07-02-2013 11:51 PM

Duffy went off on royals fans tonight on twitter. What a Winston

TambaBerry 07-03-2013 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 9789954)
Duffy went off on royals fans tonight on twitter. What a Winston

Ok you can't just say that without a link or posting the tweets.

duncan_idaho 07-03-2013 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9789932)
Maybe Yost should stop using him like he's a goddamned lefty specialist when he has better splits against righties. Not that that is an excuse for walking two dudes in a row.

He has been pretty good against lefties this year, but I think that's a fluke more than anything else.

Collins' command has been spotty of late, and it's killing them. Same with Crow. Those two need to turn it around, and quickly.

OmahaChief 07-03-2013 07:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9789017)
As some of you may know, ChiefsandO's fan was banned from this thread based on a complaint/report that he trolls Royals fans. This isn't unusual. We frequently ban Mizzou fans from Kansas threads and vice-a-versa. But he wants back in. You tell me through rep (pos or neg - simply because I don't follow the thread and don't want to have to dig through, tallying votes) whether you want to allow him back in the thread or not. Majority wins.

Keep the guy out. He is a douche and highly annoying.

duncan_idaho 07-03-2013 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmahaChief (Post 9790046)
Keep the guy out. He is a douche and highly annoying.

Plus, seeing his butt hurt in other threads is pretty hilarious.

Prison Bitch 07-03-2013 08:09 AM

When we lost last night I felt the season might be wrapping up soon. They have to go 3-3 these next two weeks in the Cleveland games. If they lose ground they aren't coming back. We're just not a very good team, it's time we deal with reality. We are 6.5 back of Cleveland but only 5 ahead of Chicago in last. So we're closer to last than to first.

We're going nowhere and it's time to listen to Santana offers.

Dartgod 07-03-2013 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9790099)
When we lost last night I felt the season might be wrapping up soon. They have to go 3-3 these next two weeks in the Cleveland games. If they lose ground they aren't coming back. We're just not a very good team, it's time we deal with reality. We are 6.5 back of Cleveland but only 5 ahead of Chicago in last. So we're closer to last than to first.

We're going nowhere and it's time to listen to Santana offers.

5.5 back.

Prison Bitch 07-03-2013 08:47 AM

Ok then, equidistant from first to last. Same deal.

duncan_idaho 07-03-2013 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dartgod (Post 9790124)
5.5 back.

Exactly.

This is an important series. The Royals need to pick up at least one game (take 2/3). That is still possible.

Losing the first game and saying the season is over is an extreme overreaction. But that's the specialty of some individuals.

BlackHelicopters 07-03-2013 09:11 AM

We appear to be treading water, and just barely. Cleveland sweeps us, and seals our fate.

Demonpenz 07-03-2013 09:15 AM

Cabrera having problems Verlander not being the stud he is. This division is wide open.

Pasta Little Brioni 07-03-2013 09:15 AM

ROFL O's banned from thread

ROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL He's begging to be let back

RockChalk 07-03-2013 09:15 AM

Late to the party, but a ban on C&O's fan from this thread is appropriate. If we could just ban him from the entire site, that would be great, but I realize that is asking too much.

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-03-2013 09:16 AM

This thread feels so..... clean.

RockChalk 07-03-2013 09:20 AM

Love that not a single person posted in here saying they wanted C&O back. He's one of those people that you just know is definitely as annoying in real life, as he is on here.

WhawhaWhat 07-03-2013 09:38 AM

Anibal Sanchez is back in the Tigers rotation Saturday night against the Indians.

sedated 07-03-2013 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 9790222)
Love that not a single person posted in here saying they wanted C&O back. He's one of those people that you just know is definitely as annoying in real life, as he is on here.

Given his twitter addiction and lack of a real life, I always pictured him as a dorky high school kid with no friends.

Sure-Oz 07-03-2013 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tambaberry (Post 9790023)
Ok you can't just say that without a link or posting the tweets.

Sorry I was mobile then...here is a summary...he blocked me and other fans that disagreed. He's very sensitive on Twitter and looks for tweets against royals but pointed out 1 guy who is a great royals twitter follow. Attached tweets that may have started Duffys beef...these tweets are deleted now I think. @KCKingdomFS Not sure if you saw this, but I think this had a lot to do with Duffy's comments. https://mobile.twitter.com/LeviPayto...014016/photo/1


http://kckingdom.com/?p=3922

Nightfyre 07-03-2013 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9790042)
He has been pretty good against lefties this year, but I think that's a fluke more than anything else.

Collins' command has been spotty of late, and it's killing them. Same with Crow. Those two need to turn it around, and quickly.

The biggest difference between this year and last year is that the bullpen is being used less. Maybe they needed all that use to keep them sharp. Let's move to the four-man rotation consisting of Shields/Santana/Guthrie/Duffy and cap their pitches at say, 90 - to help keep the bullpen sharp. What say you duncan? :hmmm:

Nightfyre 07-03-2013 01:22 PM

Read the daily hit list from baseball prospectus for day and I thought to myself: "This author must be a Royals fan." Because this was his comment for the Royals: "The Royals got a grand slam from Alex Gordon and lost anyway because they're the Royals."

duncan_idaho 07-03-2013 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9790705)
The biggest difference between this year and last year is that the bullpen is being used less. Maybe they needed all that use to keep them sharp. Let's move to the four-man rotation consisting of Shields/Santana/Guthrie/Duffy and cap their pitches at say, 90 - to help keep the bullpen sharp. What say you duncan? :hmmm:

I think the days of the 4-man rotation are probably a thing of the past. With how much $$ is invested in pitchers, teams are going to do everything they can to keep starters fresh.

I'd stick with the 5-man rotation in a few weeks, rotating in Danny Duffy for Wade Davis.

I'd move Davis to the pen to solidify things a bit. I'd identify my LOOGY (probably Will Smith), and stick to using him as that. I'd DFA JC Gutierrez and Call up Louis Coleman. Collins goes down to work on FB command.

Roles:

CLoser: Holland
Clean inning: (Used in medium or long relief at start of innings) Chen, Hochevar
LOOGY: Will Smith
ROOGY: Louis Coleman
8th inning options: Crow, Davis

Three7s 07-03-2013 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9790775)
I think the days of the 4-man rotation are probably a thing of the past. With how much $$ is invested in pitchers, teams are going to do everything they can to keep starters fresh.

I'd stick with the 5-man rotation in a few weeks, rotating in Danny Duffy for Wade Davis.

I'd move Davis to the pen to solidify things a bit. I'd identify my LOOGY (probably Will Smith), and stick to using him as that. I'd DFA JC Gutierrez and Call up Louis Coleman. Collins goes down to work on FB command.

Roles:

CLoser: Holland
Clean inning: (Used in medium or long relief at start of innings) Chen, Hochevar
LOOGY: Will Smith
ROOGY: Louis Coleman
8th inning options: Crow, Davis

We really need Herrera to get his act together. Our bullpen fell apart when he got sent down. (not that I disagree with sending hom down, we just need another arm desperately)

Nightfyre 07-03-2013 03:41 PM

Why do people want to DFA Gutierrez. He has been pretty damn good.

Mr. Laz 07-03-2013 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theelusiveeightrop (Post 9790198)
We appear to be treading water, and just barely. Cleveland sweeps us, and seals our fate.

as soon as we are completely out of it several players will start playing better

Demonpenz 07-03-2013 03:53 PM

Alex Grand Slams and Jamaal Charles 100 yard rushing games..

ChiefsCountry 07-03-2013 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 9790775)
I think the days of the 4-man rotation are probably a thing of the past. With how much $$ is invested in pitchers, teams are going to do everything they can to keep starters fresh.

I'd stick with the 5-man rotation in a few weeks, rotating in Danny Duffy for Wade Davis.

I'd move Davis to the pen to solidify things a bit. I'd identify my LOOGY (probably Will Smith), and stick to using him as that. I'd DFA JC Gutierrez and Call up Louis Coleman. Collins goes down to work on FB command.

Roles:

CLoser: Holland
Clean inning: (Used in medium or long relief at start of innings) Chen, Hochevar
LOOGY: Will Smith
ROOGY: Louis Coleman
8th inning options: Crow, Davis

I likely.
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duncan_idaho 07-03-2013 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9790954)
Why do people want to DFA Gutierrez. He has been pretty damn good.

Because I think he isn't that good and doesn't have a long-term future in KC. I didn't realize he hasn't allowed an earned run since June 2.

It's probably time to use him in some higher leverage situations, then. Considering the rest of the pen's performance.

Coach 07-03-2013 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9790737)
Read the daily hit list from baseball prospectus for day and I thought to myself: "This author must be a Royals fan." Because this was his comment for the Royals: "The Royals got a grand slam from Alex Gordon and lost anyway because they're the Royals."

He's not a Royal's fan then. If he actually watched the game, and look at the stats, he would know that batting Escobar at 2nd is not recommended, and that Yost had to pull Hoch for Collins.

The author can go fist himself.

Phobia 07-03-2013 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockChalk (Post 9790222)
Love that not a single person posted in here saying they wanted C&O back. He's one of those people that you just know is definitely as annoying in real life, as he is on here.

Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

lewdog 07-03-2013 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9791061)
Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

Provide the names of the "let him back" votes so we can begin NEG mission!

ROFL

But seriously, thanks. Much better without him here.

Prison Bitch 07-03-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9790954)
Why do people want to DFA Gutierrez. He has been pretty damn good.

Because people don't want to call Crow a turd even though he is one

DeezNutz 07-03-2013 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9791063)
Provide the names of the "let him back" votes so we can begin NEG mission!

ROFL

But seriously, thanks. Much better without him here.

My bad.

BigCatDaddy 07-03-2013 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9791061)
Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

I bet Hootie was one LMAO

Shogun 07-03-2013 07:15 PM

Ill be that guy now.

@Royals: We are now looking at a 9:00 first pitch. #RoyalsWeather

Coach 07-03-2013 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9791061)
Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

:spock:

Please eliminate the people who had him "let him back" votes, thank you in advance.

We're trying to control the dumbassery to a minimum here, ya know?

Nightfyre 07-03-2013 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 9791061)
Had a couple "let him back" votes via rep but it was overwhelmingly against. He's gone. Enjoy.

Two questions:
1) Were patteeu and SaulGood the whiteknights?
2) Did pos or neg rep win?

chefsos 07-03-2013 08:46 PM

Well hell, people, why don't you just ask Phil to post the traitorous rep comments (along with mug shots of course) at the post office?

Jesus Christ.

Nightfyre 07-03-2013 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chefsos (Post 9791257)
Well hell, people, why don't you just ask Phil to post the traitorous rep comments (along with mug shots of course) at the post office?

Jesus Christ.

When they incriminate themselves, it really doesn't have to be publicized. It must be tough going through life without being able to recognize a joke.

Discuss Thrower 07-04-2013 12:09 AM

Had a Cards fan tell me Royals fans are the worst in the major leagues because of booing Cano last year during the HR derby.

So that's nice.

Shogun 07-04-2013 12:25 AM

@randomfaketweet Royals stalker ChiefsandO'sfan has been taken to a local Baltimore Hospital to receive treatment to a burn that was inflicted on him in the Chiefsplanet Royals thread. He is labeled as being day-to-day.

Phobia 07-04-2013 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 9791216)
Two questions:
1) Were patteeu and SaulGood the whiteknights?
2) Did pos or neg rep win?

Heh. I had more neg rep than pos. Dicks.

Nightfyre 07-04-2013 02:42 AM

As the Trade Deadline approaches on July 31 at 3 p.m. CT, the names of players coming up on free agency always surface in speculation and that group will include pitcher Ervin Santana, who's been very good in his first year with Kansas City.

"I mean, we need him, too. We're trying to win games," Moore said. "We expect to win games, we believe in our team. We need to make sure we're running out a quality starting pitcher every single night and Erv's done as well as anybody we've run out there."



Sounds like the Royals are going to be buyers at the break. :clap:

RockChalk 07-04-2013 06:10 AM

I take that quote moreso as we wont be sellers, not necessarily that we'll be buyers. Hope you're right though

Archie F. Swin 07-04-2013 06:59 AM

who will likely start in Left field?

Great Expectations 07-04-2013 07:11 AM

Gordon shouldn't be out long, but I'd like to see what Seratelli can do

siberian khatru 07-04-2013 08:23 AM

Greg Holland's first 4 appearances this year: 3 IP, 5 hits, 4 ER, 6 BB, 5 K

Since then: 28 IP, 14 hits, 3 ER, 5 BB, 47 K. Holy mother of God.

Fansy the Famous Bard 07-04-2013 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9792153)
Greg Holland's first 4 appearances this year: 3 IP, 5 hits, 4 ER, 6 BB, 5 K

Since then: 28 IP, 14 hits, 3 ER, 5 BB, 47 K. Holy mother of God.

Pfffft. Johnson is better.

penguinz 07-04-2013 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9792153)
Greg Holland's first 4 appearances this year: 3 IP, 5 hits, 4 ER, 6 BB, 5 K

Since then: 28 IP, 14 hits, 3 ER, 5 BB, 47 K. Holy mother of God.

Doesn't matter when Collins is giving games away.

duncan_idaho 07-04-2013 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siberian khatru (Post 9792153)
Greg Holland's first 4 appearances this year: 3 IP, 5 hits, 4 ER, 6 BB, 5 K

Since then: 28 IP, 14 hits, 3 ER, 5 BB, 47 K. Holy mother of God.

ELITE closer performance right there. That's the type of line Kimbrel was putting up the last two seasons.

sedated 07-04-2013 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9791945)
Had a Cards fan tell me Royals fans are the worst in the major leagues because of booing Cano last year during the HR derby.

So that's nice.

Fairweather fan letting the media tell him what to think? No way.

Reaper16 07-04-2013 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9792237)
Fairweather fan letting the media tell him what to think? No way.

Not so sure about fairweather. The Cards have had a pretty steady climate for awhile now.

Archie F. Swin 07-04-2013 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 9792237)
Fairweather fan letting the media tell him what to think? No way.

I'd say get back to us when your team is insignificant for nearly 30 years

ChiTown 07-04-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9792262)
I'd say get back to us when your team is insignificant for nearly 30 years

Busch Stadium would be a ****ing morgue. **** those cock suckers!

SPATCH 07-04-2013 10:46 AM

what's the lineup look like without Gordon?

WhawhaWhat 07-04-2013 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 9792268)
what's the lineup look like without Gordon?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BOV_CPyCUAArAU_.jpg

SPchief 07-04-2013 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 9792268)
what's the lineup look like without Gordon?

Haven't seen it, but if I would have to guess:

Dyson CF
Escobar SS
Hosmer 1b
Butler DH
Grown Ass Man C (If he plays) If not, Cain
Cain RF
Moose 3b
Gio 2b (If Salvy doesn't play, then Kotteras C goes here)
Lough RF

Messier 07-04-2013 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9791945)
Had a Cards fan tell me Royals fans are the worst in the major leagues because of booing Cano last year during the HR derby.

So that's nice.

Don't see how you can't be impressed as hell with Royals fans.

Ceej 07-04-2013 11:28 AM

Someone better get on the game day thread!

Huge, rubber match today!

Coach 07-04-2013 11:33 AM

Come on Shields. Need you to bring your A++++ game today to take the series from those Indian ****s.

SPchief 07-04-2013 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJizzles (Post 9792333)
Someone better get on the game day thread!

Huge, rubber match today!

On it!

Ceej 07-04-2013 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 9792360)
On it!

my bad. I didn't see the one -King- started this am.

:(

Dartgod 07-04-2013 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 9791063)
Provide the names of the "let him back" votes so we can begin NEG mission!

ROFL

But seriously, thanks. Much better without him here.

I was one because...

1. I knew he would be voted out anyway.
2. I somehow managed to ignore the ramblings of an idiot.

BigMeatballDave 07-04-2013 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 9791945)
Had a Cards fan tell me Royals fans are the worst in the major leagues because of booing Cano last year during the HR derby.

So that's nice.

**** him. It's easy to be a fan of a winning franchise.

Archie F. Swin 07-04-2013 03:37 PM

The schedule doesn't get any easier....but this team seems to have some mojo of late.

Archie F. Swin 07-04-2013 03:39 PM

Tomorrow the Tigers go to Cleveland to start a four game series

BlackHelicopters 07-04-2013 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 9792949)
The schedule doesn't get any easier....but this team seems to have some mojo of late.

We creep closer to .500.

Chiefspants 07-04-2013 04:41 PM

Just dropping in to report that Kottaras is currently batting .157 with a .710 OPS.

Carry on.

Pitt Gorilla 07-04-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Messier (Post 9792297)
Don't see how you can't be impressed as hell with Royals fans.

This. We've been there through absolute garbage for the past 25+ years. It's easy to be a fan of a winning program.

Discuss Thrower 07-04-2013 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9793148)
This. We've been there through absolute garbage for the past 25+ years. It's easy to be a fan of a winning program.

Apparently the home run derby is sacred.. Or something.

Ceej 07-04-2013 09:59 PM

Didn't the Orioles get swept by the White Sux?

Mr. Laz 07-04-2013 10:08 PM


2013 Payrolls And Salaries For Every MLB Team

BARRY PETCHESKY
3/29/13 11:02am

It's that time of the year. Time to unveil MLB's opening day payrolls, and laugh at the teams spending like drunkards (Yankees, $229 million) and the ones fielding quadruple-A rosters (Astros, $24 million). Let's dive in.

Click on the cities in the map above for each roster's individual player salaries. (If you have trouble finding the annotation, just search this page for the team name, and you'll find it in the discussion section below. You can also search for individual players' names.) http://deadspin.com/2013-payrolls-an...team-462765594

Here's the list of total team payrolls (the figure is the adjusted payroll, which takes into account cash received in trades, prorated signing bonuses, and other tweaks):

New York Yankees $228,995,945
Los Angeles Dodgers $216,302,909
Philadelphia $159,578,214
Boston $158,967,286
Detroit $149,046,844
San Francisco $142,180,333
Los Angeles Angels $142,165,250
Texas $127,197,575
Chicago White Sox $124,065,277
Toronto $118,244,039
St. Louis $116,702,085
Washington $112,431,770
Cincinnati $110,565,728
Chicago Cubs $104,150,726
Baltimore $91,793,333
Milwaukee $91,003,366
Arizona $90,158,500
Atlanta $89,288,193
New York Mets $88,877,033
Seattle $84,295,952
Cleveland $82,517,300
Kansas City $80,491,725
Minnesota $75,562,500

Colorado $75,449,071
San Diego $71,689,900
Oakland $68,577,000
Pittsburgh $66,289,524
Tampa Bay $57,030,272
Miami $39,621,900
Houston $24,328,538

Takeaways: A-Rod will make more than the Astros. The Dodgers will likely pass the Yankees for the top spot next year. Miami cut its payroll from last season by more than 60 percent. The Blue Jays will field $37 million worth of Marlins. Arizona's highest-paid player is a setup guy. Among the NL favorites, the Braves, Nationals, and Reds all show the importance of home-grown pitching—while the Giants have reached the phase where they've had to pay top-dollar to keep their aces.

Astros manager Bo Porter had this to say:

"When we get on the baseball field with whomever the opponent is, they are not sitting there saying: `Well, their players make more money than us so therefore you're deemed a winner and we're deemed a loser.'"

This is true. It's also true that Houston could lose 110 games this year.


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