Originally Posted by Shogun (Post 7420369)

Where is your proof?

Lets do some research on Overeem and a UFC HW who has gained outrageous muscle in about the same amount of time as Overeem, and tested clean.

Frank Mir

UFC 100 Weigh-in Results: July 11th, 2009
Brock Lesnar (265) vs. Frank Mir (245)

UFC 107 Weigh-in Results: December 12th, 2009
Frank Mir (264.5) vs. Cheick Kongo (239)

21.5lbs gained in 5 months for Frank Mir.

Lets compare that to...

Strikeforce - November 17th, 2007
Main Card
Paul Buentello (250) vs. Alistair Overeem (224)

Dream 6 - September 23rd, 2008
Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic (225.9) vs. Alistair Overeem (241.8 )

DREAM 12 - October 25th, 2009
James Thompson (126kg / 277.8 lbs)
vs. Alistair Overeem (115kg / 253.5 lbs)

Between the first two weigh ins, 11 months, Overeem gained 17.8lbs.
Between the second and third weigh ins, 11 months, Overeem gained 11.2lbs
In total gaining 29lbs in a little under two years.

As shown here, Frank Mir put on 74% of that weight that took Alistair Overeem 22 months to put on, in 22% of the time.

So, who is the steroid abuser, again?

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7421350)

Well I don't think that Duffee and Hunt are something great to brag about, I think the UFC's HW has been exposed a little.

Lesnar is a bitch and can't take a punch. Has no stand up.

Carwin has no gas.

Mir is a has been.

You got JDS and Cain in there.

If you added Fedor and Reem in there, then you'd have something. But I personally think that Reem would be fine standing with either Cain or JDS.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 7421772)

I suppose it's all speculation until someone switches alliances but we can't deny that Overeem is a fabulous kickboxer, I just haven't seen him beat a real top tier MMA heavyweight. When he does I'll gladly say so.
What it boils down to for me is I don't care if he eats babies for strength and kills nuns for fun. He's a fighter ffs, he has to have a certain amount of hunger to fight the best in the world to be considered the best in the world and he hasn't done that at heavyweight.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7423765)

can't completely argue with this. However I appreciated his work in winning K-1.

It would be pretty awesome to see him match up against Cain, JDS, Fedor, Carwin (if he ever fights again), and even Lesnar (to see him get his face beat in again).

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 7423842)

I think he would absolutely man handle Lesnar and probably Carwin. It will take a guy who's athletic and fast to even close the gap on him. I would really like to see him and Fedor go at it, but like I said if he beats anyone on your list I will give it up to him.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 7423842)

I think he would absolutely man handle Lesnar and probably Carwin. It will take a guy who's athletic and fast to even close the gap on him. I would really like to see him and Fedor go at it, but like I said if he beats anyone on your list I will give it up to him.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 7423842)

I think he would absolutely man handle Lesnar and probably Carwin. It will take a guy who's athletic and fast to even close the gap on him. I would really like to see him and Fedor go at it, but like I said if he beats anyone on your list I will give it up to him.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7423941)

I'm so psyched for tomorrow. Woooooooo!

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7424191)

I'm pretty pumped too.

Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 7423897)

I concur with Jason.

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 7424296)

Ironically that is my first name.

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 7423941)

I'm so psyched for tomorrow. Woooooooo!