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The Pioli Watch Thread (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=199460)

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Originally Posted by Danman (Post 5366522)

Oh whew, that was all you got hmm, Glad you're so original

Don't be shocked with some free agents on the roster next year

I won't be.

Unless they're on their third ****ing contract.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5366530)

I won't be.

Unless they're on their third ****ing contract.

I get your point, but it's foolish to say that we absolutely WON'T bring in someone in such a situation. They aren't the place to build a team, but it's not like teams go around cutting everyone over 30.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 5366126)

I figure Ill get "ripped a new Ehole" by my opinion here but oh well, Alot of the national media agrees with my opinions so whos right?

First thing that happpened before Herm even took over was he lost his best olineman in Roaf.....his first game he lost his starting QB in Trent....his luck didnt get better through the last two years.

I just thought that the consensus before the year started was that the measuring stick for our team was improvement throughout the year and not wins and losses.

We played the 3rd toughest schedule in the NFL (post season opponents records) and only let four games get out of our grasp...

We lost 8 games by a TD or less with a team that is chalk full of the most rookies in NFL history. 10 games lost by 10 points or less.

Herm took the tough road to building a great team and has a good nucleus in place.

Give us Jared (the equivelant to the draft picks DV and CP traded away for retired vets during the DV era, before Herm arrived, when we were trying to trade away the future for one last run for Lamar) and spend half of the 30 Mill we have to spend and we surely would have won alot more games and it wouldnt look as bad for Herms tenure and he might be in his second playoff appearence in three years here.

If we had our par defense of last year (before CP traded away our best player JA and most of our depth) we would be in the playoffs right now with the offensive output weve gotten out of our kids

He inherited alot of ancient talent (Trent, Roaf, Shields, Kennison, TRich, Wiegman, Holmes, Hicks) when he took the job and the youth either sucked (Sims, Siavii, Bartee, Warfield, Parker, Wilson) or hadnt hit the field (Wilkerson, Battle, Fox) What was he supposed to do, go to the superbowl with a team of retirees and never beens?

Bowe
Tank
Bradley
Carr
Flowers
Page
Pollard
Hali
Cottam
Dorsey
Charles
Thigpen
Cox

these are players that are coming along or have arrived and were brought in by Herms scouting

Tony G
Waters

These are the veterans we still have and they both made the pro bowl

I think Herm has laid a good foundation to a championship football team here and has been going with the 4 year plan and is due an offseason of a couple "premier free agents" as well as another fruitful draft, in which we would be very competitive next year.

I Feel that Herm has bought the best groceries, cooked the meal, and now someone else will be able to come in let it cool and eat it, because the foundation is already laid and he will have a great GM in place that will be able to get the few missing pieces we need to get back where we want.

Give us a Peppers and a Vilma and a good draft and boom we are back in the thick of things

proceed with slamming me, but consider the fact I may be more right than many here...

Is that you Herm?

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5366469)

The Chiefs don't have any athletic, defensive playmakers and no amount of scheming will make up for that.

I assume you're referring to the line and LB's? Flowers, Carr and Page are pretty athletic, and I think the same of Tank. Other than that, we got nothin.

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief (Post 5366575)

I assume you're referring to the line and LB's? Flowers, Carr and Page are pretty athletic, and I think the same of Tank. Other than that, we got nothin.

I think Derrick Johnson's name belongs on that list.
And also perhaps Bernard Pollard.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5366380)

No, they don't have to all be Pro Bowlers but it's a fact that you can't coach football instinct, speed or athleticism.

Face it: There is no "hidden" talent on this team. There's no "Jared Allen" in waiting and there certainly not a Neil Smith or Derrick Thomas just waiting to receive better coaching.

Guys like that, impact guys don't need coaching. You just turn them loose. The Chiefs don't have that right now on defense and the greatest D-line coach or defensive coordinator in the world wouldn't be able to create a guy like that with the existing talent.

I see the ratio at 70% talent/30% coaching in terms of overall squad success or failure. Right now our ratio on defense is about 35% useable talent, and 65% bad coaching.
As far as acquisition goes, I believe you should pursue a minimum of 3 guys on both sides of the ball, at different positions( line, LB, CB on defense / QB, Line, WO on Offense ), who are going to be your high-output, well paid, and long-term career guys. RB's are a dime a dozen. That's your foundation; let FA fill in the blanks.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5366381)

I think we should pick up Sproles, have him split time with Charles, and pick up a bruiser back somewhere. I'm an advocate of a RB committee. It keeps RBs fresh and decreases wear, and tear.

Absolutely. Look no further than LT's consistent January burn-out as evidence/proof.

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5366407)

Pioli wants total control over football operations not business. Why wouldn't we give him total control of the football side?

Give the man the keys to the Kingdom, and do it yesterday.

I can barely wrap my head around the idea of a Chiefs team, a year or two from now, who competes at the same consistent level as the Patriots have in this decade.
Man, Carl Peterson really did lower the bar...

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5366407)

Pioli wants total control over football operations not business. Why wouldn't we give him total control of the football side?

From everything that has been published Pioli does want control of everything.

Didnt the Chiefs get James Hasty back in the days when he was in his 30's and played some of the best football of his career here? I dont mind picking up an experience veteran. You still have to have some of those around. Its not like you cant win if a guy is well into his 30's on a team.

If it's gonna happen with Pioli, surely we'll hear something tomorrow or Friday at the latest. With Mangini in Cleveland that eliminates them. If we don't hear by the end of the week, I don't think it's gonna happen.

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Originally Posted by kcxiv (Post 5366714)

Come on, Dude.

James Hasty is the exception, not the rule.

How did Patrick Surtain and Ty Law work out?

Over 30 cornerbacks are not the answer. Either is an over 30 defensive lineman.

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 5366717)

What's so magic about Friday?

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 5366582)

I think Derrick Johnson's name belongs on that list.
And also perhaps Bernard Pollard.

So you would put Derrick Johnson and Bernard Pollard among league's elite playmakers?

If so, you need to watch more than just the Chiefs on Sunday.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5366749)

Come on, Dude.

James Hasty is the exception, not the rule.

How did Patrick Surtain and Ty Law work out?

Over 30 cornerbacks are not the answer. Either is an over 30 defensive lineman.

i thought pat played ok his first couple of years here

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Originally Posted by LOCOChief (Post 5366575)

I assume you're referring to the line and LB's? Flowers, Carr and Page are pretty athletic, and I think the same of Tank. Other than that, we got nothin.

I'm stating that the Chiefs don't have any playmaking, game-changing players at this time.

I like Flowers, Carr, Page, Leggett, Dorsey and Tank. I think they're the beginning of a solid foundation for years to come.

But, the Chiefs don't have a Merriman, Ware, Suggs or Harrison on the roster. They traded (and rightfully so) a guy who was their best and most consistent defensive player in more than a decade.

OTWP58 and other people have made accusation that coaching is the reason for the lack of sacks and the small amount of wins the past two seasons.

And while that's certainly a factor (moreso on the defensive side of the ball than on the offensive side), the biggest factor in the Chiefs W/L record the lack of game-changing defensive playmakers.

You can't coach instinct, you can't coach up untalented players to Pro-Bowl level and you can't coach speed.

Talent is biggest factor in the Chiefs decline.

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 5366754)

i thought pat played ok his first couple of years here

Eh.

IMO, he certainly hasn't warranted the trade for a second round draft choice, nor has he lived up to his contract.