I like the guy who said, "Giving up a 1st for Brown should get Veach fired, giving up a 1st AND Hardman should get him put in a facility."

Here’s a good response:

“sure, a first round pick and Hardman seems reasonable for a dude who has *checks notes* 500 more career receiving yards than Hardman on nearly double the career targets“

So ****ing lazy. These talking heads get worse by the day.

I don't like the value but I think you're underselling Brown.

I picked him up after 10th round last year and he was always open. He's really good.

He ain't that good. A first rounder and Hardman is better than him.

Yeah Baltimore would jump on that so fast

I wouldn’t trade a 4th round pick for Brown. But using their logic….the Ravens should give us their 1st for Hardman.

that's....turrible.

Barnwell is actually a pretty good follow and usually spot on.



Swing and a miss and a popped achilles on this one though. I thought the idea was to bring in more receivers who catch the ball

So I’m convinced we are going to package something to move up for Williamson

We may have to move up to 13. Maybe higher. At some point you have to think we'd lose our other first and I'm not sure that would go over well.

I hope teams get dumb about QBs and factor in the lost time due to his injury because I really want him. But Garrett Wilson and Williams are moving in the wrong direction

That Barnwell trade proposal is just, horrible. What has Marquise Brown accomplished in the NFL other than getting drafted high and getting hurt a lot?

Certainly not enough to be worth that package, and honestly I wouldn't trade Hardman for him straight up.

It's kind of like when people talk about how great the Broncos WR room is.

yeah, Jeudy was drafted high. And yeah, Sutton had 1000 yards that one time. It's just perceived upside.

I wouldn't take the Broncos receiver group over the Chiefs, and honestly, I am not sold that the WRs alone (excluding the massive Kelce vs. Okwuegbunaum advantage) are advantage ---> Broncos.

I'm not giving up what we gave for Mahomes for a WR. I'm pretty sure Veach feels the same way. Going from 29 or 30 to 13 is basically the same as going from 27 to 10. Way rather take what falls to us then that.

Shit proposals like this one has me getting REAL nervous about how much Veach MIGHT pony up to secure Jameson Williams.

Hope he doesn’t blow the draft capital he has today and end up making just 4-5 picks.

Barnwell's proposed trade for 30 makes some sense, though.

30 and 94 to Atlanta for 43 and 58.

Dropping down 13 to jump up 36 spots in the 2nd and 3rd ... wouldn't be mad about that.

having 29, 34, 50, 58, and 62 would be pretty slick. And gives you some flexibility if you do trade up in a few spots.

That I would be okay with. I'd be interested to see who we took at 29 in that scenario.

He's better than anyone we have. So if Hollywood is "no good" then none of our WRs are very good.

Explosive, gets college open.

The problem is having to pay him and give up draft capital.

That is exactly what I'd love to see happen.

Hollywood Brown isn't worth a 1st round pick and Mecole Hardman.

Already said I didn't like the value.

That's fine. I don't like the WR.

Yeah, you stated that.

I like that the public doesn't like him. Means I get him dirt cheap again.

Oh I'd be ALL over that.

Yup.

I mentioned in the mock draft megathread that I found myself making that exact deal with Atlanta several times. Though I think I gave up 102 vs. 94.

But yeah, it's a pretty nice little landing spot.

A FIRST ROUND PICK FOR MOTHER ****ING MARQUIS BROWN?!?!?!?!?!!? WAIT, NOT JUST A FIRST; MULTIPLE PICKS!?!?!?

I know it's 420 and a week before the draft but HOLY SHAT

i didn't even get to the part where he included mecole hardman.. there is not enough weed for this bullshit

LMAO

WTF kind of reeruned fuqshit is this?

I just don't see KC trading down for more picks, and more trading up for impact players. KC has already signed FA's and could still sign additional FA's after the draft (Please Clowney). KC will not even have positions available for all 12 draft picks. Yes players will be cut. I just don't think KC is going into this trying to get even more picks.

Clowney is so overrated

Clowney next to Jones and across from Clark would be nice.

I don't know why people pay attention to them especially espn

My eyes aren't what they used to be, but I think that reads "Bill Barnwell should be anally raped with a cactus." Is that correct?

He was, yes.

I think at this point he's somewhere between underrated and accurately rated. Nobody's treating him like the 1st overall pick he was or potential franchise cornerstone.

The market is treating him like a credible edge rusher who's responsible against the run. I think that's a pretty accurate assessment.

The Browns offered him a 2 year deal for $24 million. I'd probably have no problem paying that after the draft.

I'm going to run a mock with it that doesn't involve moving up for Karlaftis or Williams. Should be interesting.

Marquise Brown is NOT better than anyone the Chiefs have. I'm honestly not sure he's better than Mecole Hardman on the whole.

Hardman has a better catch percentage, better yards/target, is a productive rusher.

If you adjusted Hardman's stats to have as many targets as Brown has had (same number of years in the league, so it's easy), Hardman has 20 more catches, 691 more receiving yards, 1 fewer touchdown, 26 more first down receptions, 154 more rushing yards, and 846 more yards from scrimmage.

I struggle to see how Brown would be an upgrade from Hardman.

Deebo Samuel wants out of SF as per Schefty.

Depends on the structure.

If you can get him at $8 million in real money this year, I think you're in fine shape. I don't think he's a $12 million/yr guy given what the 2nd wave of FAs produced at DE. But I guess the question becomes whether or not you think he's closer to Za'Darius or Dorance Armstrong.

He's probably pretty similar to Rasheem Green at this point in that he's going to do most of his pass rush damage working inside but is a capable DE as well.

If it's Clowney at $12 million or Hicks at $4 million, I think the answer is Hicks pretty easily. And I think Hicks can probably be had at that figure after the draft.

Yeah, the Hollywood Brown thing is odd to me.

He IS Hardman in most ways. But smaller.

I think this is a 'familiarity breeds contempt' scenario. If we had Brown on this team the last 3 years he'd have been used the same way as Hardman, been just as underwhelming (if not moreso) than Hardman and he'd be this fanbase's skill position whipping boy instead of Hardman.

There's just not any grounds for a meaningful distinction I can find between these guys.

So, armed with 29, 43, 50, 58, and 62... I think you could pretty easily nab:

(1) Safety from the following: Cine, Brisker, Pitre, Hill
(2) DE from the following: Mafe, Ebeketie, Cam Thomas, Enagbare, Williams, Logan Hall, Ojabo, Drake Jackson
(1) WR from the following: Pickens, Watson, Moore, Tolbert, Metchie, Pierce, Austin
(1) DT from the following: Winfrey, Travis Jones, Leal
or
(1) CB from the following: Elam, Gordon, Woolen (barf), Taylor-Britt, Alontae Taylor

That's a pretty interesting class that adds needed depth and potential at a bunch of spots. You could easily shore up the secondary, WR and DL with these picks and still have a 3rd and 2 4ths to work with on more luxury picks or depth picks.

Based on the exercise I just ran, I think you could make an argument Hardman is actually BETTER.

No, Hardman doesn't get as much attention in the passing game as Brown does, because Hardman has been weapon 3/4 rather than 2 like Brown has been... but Lamar Jackson also has more gravity than Mahomes, in drawing the back 7 up.

It two picks, 30 and 94, for two picks, 43 and 58.

This is just so lazy. 4 of those 12 picks are 7th rounders, so throw those out the window. You don't think that we will have spots available for 8 players if we stick with our picks?

We could really use:

RB depth
2 WRs
An upgrade at RT
At least 2 DEs
At least 1 DT...for sure another NT
Another LB
Another 2 CBs
Another S

That's at least 11 spots that could use starters, an upgrade over current starters or at least depth at the position.

Could you imagine if we hit on say 4/5 of these picks with players on the same level as Creed and Bolton? Man that would go a long ways to rebuilding some of the talent on this team.

Yeah, I've been dumbfounded by the 'we don't have room for that many players!' argument.

Do we even have 40 dudes under contract right now? I don't think we do. We have plenty of space for those guys.

Here's a way to look at it. The cap accounts for only the top 51 contracts on a roster. And those 7th round picks WON'T be among the top 51 cap hits. That's how little they matter - the league cap structure doesn't even consider those guys when the rubber hits the road.

We have 8 picks. Frankly I think we need about a dozen additions. If anything there's ample cause for adding MORE guys and certainly no roster pressure to turn those 8 into fewer of them.

Does your fantasy league award points to WRs who get open only to have their RB playing QB not throw him the ball or miss wildly altogether?

Not only do we need players this year but we have even less under contract next season. **** spending picks to trade up for a WR when this team needs depth and starters at key positions. I'm all for sticking at 29 and then trading down from 30 if we can get decent value.

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No, Hollywood is a much better WR because he can run routes and using his speed COMBINED with his routes get COLLEGE open.

Hardman is nothing close to that. Hardman is a very nice gadget player and special teams option. Hardman doesn't do what Hollywood does.

I don't think it's a particularly difficult one.

Where I may quibble a little is just raw skill-sets. Its kinda like that Austin vs. Watson argument I had a couple weeks ago. Brown gets his speed more 'violently' for lack of a better way of putting it, harder/quicker/shorter strides that allow for a bit more elusiveness and quickness in a phonebooth. Whereas Hardman is often a glider who actually has a really good first step for a guy his size, but he doesn't foot-fire as quickly as Brown so he's not quite the jitterbug Brown could be.

But mostly that's devils advocate stuff. I'm not 100% sure I believe it in this instance. I certainly don't believe it enough to trade Hardman and a first for Brown. And in the end I'd almost certainly stick with the guy that's been here 3 seasons and showed tremendous improvement down the stretch last season even in a 1 for 1 deal.

That's just pure 'prospect pedigree' driving a proposed trade. It is, as has been said already, incredibly lazy.

So based on the Adams and Hill deals what will it take in picks and dollars. Has to be slightly less than those 2 right? Maybe a late 1st or early 2nd and 25 million a year?

I think someone's gonna be pretty disappointed.

Deebo doesn't have a 5 year track record with multiple QBs of elite performance. He has 1 good year and wants to capitalize on that. Hey - good for him. But don't be surprised when teams aren't lining up to offer you $25 million/yr for it.

Samuel wants $25 million a year and I don't see the 49ers giving him up for less than what Adams or Hill got. Samuel is younger and they don't HAVE to trade him right now.

Yeah unlike the DK rumors, the prospect of acquiring Deebo just doesn't excite me as he pertains to THIS offense.

I could see the Jets going after him. They have Saleh, a need for WR and a bunch of picks.

Yes. We need an infusion of young talent on the roster. And we have the unique ability to do that in the draft with all of these picks. I'd trade down from one of those firsts in a heartbeat because I feel its a little bit of a reach if we take them in the first.

It would be interesting to see what % of Veach's rosters are on 1 year deals, what the % of players on rookie contracts, and the % of guys we actually sign to multi year contracts. I also have to think it's a third/third/third, which is why a draft like this is exactly what the Chiefs need.

Yup. I could also see the Jets being the landing spot for Burks.

Ravens passing offense went through two guys last year. The TE and Hollywood.

PPR league, Hollywood was a top points per game player in that format until near the end when they rested him, didn't force him him back into the lineup. Plus Lamar out the end of the year.

Great news. Maybe it allows some WRs to fall a bit in the draft if teams trade for these guys.

Jets have to be thinking about it.

They are running a Shanahan offense and need a #1 WR.

Imagine throwing a fit, demanding a trade and then ending up a JET!

He’ll be a Jet. After missing out on Tyreek, they’ll offer a similar deal for Samuel.

While I know he doesn't have a no-trade he might just tell the Jets don't bother if that's a place he doesn't want to go.

Offer them 30 for him see what happens?

Well he’s going to have a tough time finding a team that will give the 49ers and him what they want.

****ing Jags man. ****ing up the WR market by giving a WR who has never even made the pro bowl or 1k yards $18 million a ****ing year.

Trent Baalke is a colossal dipshit

Sounds like Jets and Texans right now

I can't imagine Debo wanting less than what Adams or Hill got. I imagine he is going to want more than what they got

The Cardinals kind of get lost in all this too, but that contract they gave Hopkins ****ed shit up as well.

And the Jets are desperate enough and have enough capitol to do it. This should push one more WR down the draft board.

ROFL Samuel is going to rescind that trade request if it’s the Texans.

ROFL

No way in hell he gets more than them.

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So if he didn't like how he was used then I am left wondering how he is wanting to be used?
Does he think all of the running plays and sweeps will shorten his career or get him injured?

He is much younger that has had much lesser at QB throwing him the ball. He is also more active in the running game, or at least has been in SF.

Plays in a run first offense and is used like a running back. Probably not a fan.

You got it, Chief.

RBs have short ass careers and are like the 3rd lowest paid position.

He’s only two years younger than Hill and has an injury history. No thanks.

Teams got pissed at us a few years ago when we gave Sammy Watkins his 3-year deal.

Compared to the Kirk deal, we basically found a $1000 antique for 50 cents at a garage sale

They'll be another deal next year that pisses everyone off. I don't know why people care

I don't want him. If we were going to invest in a WR to the levels we traded the only one worth that kind of investment.