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Prison Bitch 06-24-2014 12:10 PM

I know you said Ventura + Zimmer + another and I said either of the first two (if Zimmer was healthy) would e enough. And yes it's pointless to discuss since we aren't dealing pitching just to get pitching. Nor would we EVER surrender Ventura and his low cost.

As for price he's arb eligible next year so he is locked up 1.5 years. Next year will be expensive so only a top-10 market can bid on him an swallow that bullett in 2015

TLO 06-24-2014 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10712418)
THIS! - What we need is a Bat, probably 2 of them. A RF'r and a 3B would be a bigger key to making this group into an AL Central contender than another SP. JMHO

All of this.

An everyday RF with some pop would be a godsend right now. Keep Dyson as a 4th outfielder and send Aoki packing. Adding another SP does virtually nothing for us this season.

TLO 06-24-2014 12:27 PM

And I'm jumping abroad the Hosmer hate train for now. It's a real shame that Hos and Moose haven't lived up to the hype whatsoever.

OmahaChief 06-24-2014 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 10712366)
Hos's Stats (Ranking) - compared to other MLB 1B:
* Average - 19th
* Runs Scored - Tied for 12th
* AB's - 1st (given his shit hitting, that's a gawdman joke)
* Hits - 7th
* Doubles - 4th (His best stat for sure)
* HR's - Tied for 29th (Pathetic)
* RBI - Tied for 16th
* Walks - Tied for 24th (This guy has no patience at the plate)
* OBP - Tied 22nd (.287 is just flat awful)
* SLG - Tied for 22nd
* OPS - 23rd
* WAR - His Neg 0.6 is tied for #49, which is 2nd to last in MLB for all 1B:doh!:
* G/F (Ground balls to Fly balls) - #1 at 1.17, which explains his shit contact
* BB/PA - 3rd to last in walks per plate appearance
* BB/K - 3rd to last walks to strikeout

But.....but....he is the greatest defender known to man...a good glover.

Guy is a crap player and from other accounts a douche.

Chiefspants 06-24-2014 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10711940)
That, is, horrible.


I wouldn't give the faux-hawk a spot in MLB right now. He'd be down in AAA so fast his slicked back head would spin.

Forward thinking is the key phrase there. Hosmer isn't Moose, and pretending that their careers have taken similar trajectories is nothing short of disingenuous. With where he is this year, it's likely that Hos' asking price is never going to be lower than it is now.

Small market teams have to take calculated risks when making extensions. Hosmer has shown he has to talent to be an excellent hitter over two full seasons, if there's a time to take a gamble, it'd be now.

Arguing with you is a pointless exercise, in this season alone you have claimed that Cain, Alex, Hos, Moose, Butler, Esky, Dyson, and Infante were all worthless at one point or another. Considering that this composes almost the entirety of our offense, I'm having a difficult time taking the validity of your opinion seriously (I won't even get into your belief that we should platoon Salvy last year).

KCUnited 06-24-2014 01:25 PM

KC needs Hoss Gload to figure it out, I just don't see them making any substantial move for a bat next month.

Three7s 06-24-2014 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Smoke (Post 10712464)
All of this.

An everyday RF with some pop would be a godsend right now. Keep Dyson as a 4th outfielder and send Aoki packing. Adding another SP does virtually nothing for us this season.

This.

I wish we had gotten Morales and sent Hosmer to AAA. I'd have loved to see his deflating ego if the Royals had made that move.

If we're looking to make a move for a rent-a-player at the trade deadline, I think our best bet would be to go for a guy like Marlon Byrd or Martin Prado. Both would fill gaping holes where bigger production is needed and shouldn't be too hefty in prospects. Of course, I have no idea who we'd give up.

ChiTown 06-24-2014 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10712549)
Forward thinking is the key phrase there. Hosmer isn't Moose, and pretending that their careers have taken similar trajectories is nothing short of disingenuous. With where he is this year, it's likely that Hos' asking price is never going to be lower than it is now.

Small market teams have to take calculated risks when making extensions. Hosmer has shown he has to talent to be an excellent hitter over two full seasons, if there's a time to take a gamble, it'd be now.

Arguing with you is a pointless exercise, in this season alone you have claimed that Cain, Alex, Hos, Moose, Butler, Esky, Dyson, and Infante were all worthless at one point or another. Considering that this composes almost the entirety of our offense, I'm having a difficult time taking the validity of your opinion seriously (I won't even get into your belief that we should platoon Salvy last year).

In your opinion, what sort of yrs/$'s do you think it would take to get Hosmer signed?

Prison Bitch 06-24-2014 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10712549)
Forward thinking is the key phrase there. Hosmer isn't Moose, and pretending that their careers have taken similar trajectories is nothing short of disingenuous. With where he is this year, it's likely that Hos' asking price is never going to be lower than it is now.

Small market teams have to take calculated risks when making extensions. Hosmer has shown he has to talent to be an excellent hitter over two full seasons, if there's a time to take a gamble, it'd be now.

Arguing with you is a pointless exercise, in this season alone you have claimed that Cain, Alex, Hos, Moose, Butler, Esky, Dyson, and Infante were all worthless at one point or another. Considering that this composes almost the entirety of our offense, I'm having a difficult time taking the validity of your opinion seriously (I won't even get into your belief that we should platoon Salvy last year).


Go ahead and cite me bashing all the players you listed this year. Back it up or shut it up. Butler, Moose, Hoz and Infante get bashed but they suck balls no? In any other city real fans would be all over them.

Lol on Perez, the conversation was limiting his playin time and of course I'd sit him more vs RH than LH given his career splits. There is no Kottaras this year so the point is moot anyway. Nobody ever said make him just a 1/2 time player. Besides Brett "1-32" Hayes doesn't even allow an alternative


Finally, i believe Your idea on Hoz is terrible IMO but it could possibly work out, nobody knows the future.

DeepSouth 06-24-2014 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10712583)
Go ahead and cite me bashing all the players you listed this year. Back it up or shut it up. Butler, Moose, Hoz and Infante get bashed but they suck balls no? In any other city real fans would be all over them.

Lol on Perez, the conversation was limiting his playin time and of course I'd sit him more vs RH than LH given his career splits. There is no Kottaras this year so the point is moot anyway. Nobody ever said make him just a 1/2 time player. Besides Brett "1-32" Hayes doesn't even allow an alternative


Finally, i believe Your idea on Hoz is terrible IMO but it could possibly work out, nobody knows the future.

I don't know about Perez's career splits, but for this year, he's batting .308 against RHP and ..211 against LHP. He's one of six Royals that have a substantially better average against RHP vs LHP. That's why they have a much better chance of losing to a good LHP.

Kidd Lex 06-24-2014 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brainiac (Post 10712005)
You are apparently not aware that Hosmer's agent is Scott Boras. His contract will NOT be a bargain. It would be a franchise killer.

I am, and you must have missed the "relative" part of my comment.

AndChiefs 06-24-2014 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 10712630)
I don't know about Perez's career splits, but for this year, he's batting .308 against RHP and ..211 against LHP. He's one of six Royals that have a substantially better average against RHP vs LHP. That's why they have a much better chance of losing to a good LHP.

Career .325 vs. LHP, .289 vs. RHP.

WhawhaWhat 06-24-2014 02:45 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bruce Chen has been activated. Tim Collins is going to Omaha. And Donnie Joseph was DFA&#39;d.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/481532314573602816">June 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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DeepSouth 06-24-2014 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10712633)
Career .325 vs. LHP, .289 vs. RHP.

May I ask where you found his career splits? I can't find them.

C3HIEF3S 06-24-2014 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10712654)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bruce Chen has been activated. Tim Collins is going to Omaha. And Donnie Joseph was DFA'd.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/481532314573602816">June 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Awesome.
At least now we have a guy who can make a spot start if needed.

DeepSouth 06-24-2014 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10712663)
Awesome.
At least now we have a guy who can make a spot start if needed.

And long relief if someone (god forbid) gets hurt during their turn.

AndChiefs 06-24-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepSouth (Post 10712660)
May I ask where you found his career splits? I can't find them.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits....ion=C&season=0

ChiefsCountry 06-24-2014 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10712654)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bruce Chen has been activated. Tim Collins is going to Omaha. And Donnie Joseph was DFA'd.</p>&mdash; Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) <a href="https://twitter.com/McCulloughStar/statuses/481532314573602816">June 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Guess the Broxton trade now is a bust with Joseph being DFA.

Archie F. Swin 06-24-2014 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712396)
The question is if swapping in Samardzija for either Duffy or Ventura really helps the team make the playoffs this year (I broke that down last week in this thread, it is a marginal gain at best, assuming all stay on current track).

I thought you didn't trade an arm for an arm or a bat for a bat. I thought it was one of the other (especially starters)

ChiefsCountry 06-24-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10712677)
I thought you didn't trade an arm for an arm or a bat for a bat. I thought it was one of the other (especially starters)

My philosophy for baseball trades is pitching prospects are baseball currency. I would load the farm up with pitchers and trade them for proven bats.

DeepSouth 06-24-2014 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndChiefs (Post 10712673)

thank you sir.

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archie F. Swin (Post 10712677)
I thought you didn't trade an arm for an arm or a bat for a bat. I thought it was one of the other (especially starters)

Generally, you don't.

The Royals have been to 3 straight Samardzija starts. Unless they're making the trade without including Duffy or Ventura, it doesn't help them win this year, at least not THAT much.

C3HIEF3S 06-24-2014 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10712674)
Guess the Broxton trade now is a bust with Joseph being DFA.

There's still that JC Sulbaran guy down at AA, he's having a pretty good year IIRC.

jbwm89 06-24-2014 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712709)
Generally, you don't.

The Royals have been to 3 straight Samardzija starts. Unless they're making the trade without including Duffy or Ventura, it doesn't help them win this year, at least not THAT much.

It could be an opportunity to replace James Shields for next year and get better this year. Maybe a package that includes Zimmer as the "close to ready" pitcher and another top prospect or two.

I would hate to get rid of Mondesi and Zimmer for Samardzija but that could get it done without moving Duff or Ventura.

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 10712749)
It could be an opportunity to replace James Shields for next year and get better this year. Maybe a package that includes Zimmer as the "close to ready" pitcher and another top prospect or two.

I would hate to get rid of Mondesi and Zimmer for Samardzija but that could get it done without moving Duff or Ventura.

No effing way I make that move.

In two full years as a starter in the NL, Jeff Samardzija has never posted an ERA under 3.83. He started last season hot as well, then turned to dogshit from June on.

March/April 2013: 3.35 ERA, 1.17 WHIP
May 2013: 2.31, 0.91
June 2013: 4.20 ERA, 1.48 WHIP
July 2013: 5.28, 1.57
August 2013: 5.54, 1.49
September/October 2013: 5.58, 1.50


March April 2014: 1.98 ERA, 1.24 ERA
May 2014: 1.32, 0.85
June 2014: 4.82, 1.54

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 03:55 PM

Better move remains acquiring a bat.

Adrian Beltre is by far the best target for the Royals, so let's hope the Rangers continue to tank.

AndChiefs 06-24-2014 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712766)
No effing way I make that move.

In two full years as a starter in the NL, Jeff Samardzija has never posted an ERA under 3.83. He started last season hot as well, then turned to dogshit from June on.

March/April 2013: 3.35 ERA, 1.17 WHIP
May 2013: 2.31, 0.91
June 2013: 4.20 ERA, 1.48 WHIP
July 2013: 5.28, 1.57
August 2013: 5.54, 1.49
September/October 2013: 5.58, 1.50


March April 2014: 1.98 ERA, 1.24 ERA
May 2014: 1.32, 0.85
June 2014: 4.82, 1.54

Plus he'd be moving from the NL to the AL.

jbwm89 06-24-2014 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712766)
No effing way I make that move.

In two full years as a starter in the NL, Jeff Samardzija has never posted an ERA under 3.83. He started last season hot as well, then turned to dogshit from June on.

March/April 2013: 3.35 ERA, 1.17 WHIP
May 2013: 2.31, 0.91
June 2013: 4.20 ERA, 1.48 WHIP
July 2013: 5.28, 1.57
August 2013: 5.54, 1.49
September/October 2013: 5.58, 1.50


March April 2014: 1.98 ERA, 1.24 ERA
May 2014: 1.32, 0.85
June 2014: 4.82, 1.54

What about for one or the other? Let's say Zimmer and a guy like Jorge Bonafacio or Cuthbert?

I'm not sold on him either, I am just saying there are ways to get this deal done without giving up Duffy/Ventura and moving sideways.

duncan_idaho 06-24-2014 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jbwm89 (Post 10712782)
What about for one or the other? Let's say Zimmer and a guy like Jorge Bonafacio or Cuthbert?

I'm not sold on him either, I am just saying there are ways to get this deal done without giving up Duffy/Ventura and moving sideways.

I'm still not a huge fan of Jeff Samardzija and still not convinced he doesn't go Luke Hochevar on you in the second half of the season.

If they're going to move Zimmer, I'd rather see it be for an impact bat. I absolutely would not include Mondesi in any deal, period, unless it's for David Price.

I'd be interested in seeing what Texas says if offered something like Zimmer, Cuthbert and Moustakas (maybe add a piece or subtract a piece) long before offering a similar package for Jeff Samardzija.

Chiefspants 06-24-2014 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10712583)
Go ahead and cite me bashing all the players you listed this year. Back it up or shut it up.

You make this too easy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10633094)
When will the media turn on Butler and Gordon? They are utter disgraces.

Is there anything more annoying than Gordon hitting a long fly out, and posing like he just hit a 450-foot Barry Bonds rocket? Alex: you suck. You aren't good.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9916871)
The problem is we got dog crap for Zack. Tampa would never trade a David Price for the garbage we got from Milwaukee.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 9906545)
Greinke has a 790 OPS, 132 wRC and a 1.0 WAR at the plate this year in only 55 AB. Alshitty Escobar has a 571 OPS, 52 wRC and -2.0 WAR at the plate.



BUT WE WON THE TRADE DAMMIT


And are you still arguing that Salvy should have been platooned when he has a .290 career average against righties? You are a professional at hyperbolic overreactions and as your past posts prove, there is little reason to take your conclusions seriously.

jbwm89 06-24-2014 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712786)
I'm still not a huge fan of Jeff Samardzija and still not convinced he doesn't go Luke Hochevar on you in the second half of the season.

If they're going to move Zimmer, I'd rather see it be for an impact bat. I absolutely would not include Mondesi in any deal, period, unless it's for David Price.

I'd be interested in seeing what Texas says if offered something like Zimmer, Cuthbert and Moustakas (maybe add a piece or subtract a piece) long before offering a similar package for Jeff Samardzija.

If Zimmer didn't have the injury issues I think that is a realistic possibility. I just wonder how much teams are really going to give up in a deal that is centered around a guy who has basically been hurt for a year.

ChiTown 06-24-2014 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712770)
Better move remains acquiring a bat.

Adrian Beltre is by far the best target for the Royals, so let's hope the Rangers continue to tank.

after they finish their series with DET:evil:

blake5676 06-24-2014 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10712793)
You make this too easy.










And are you still arguing that Salvy should have been platooned when he has a .290 career average against righties? You are a professional at hyperbolic overreactions and as your past posts prove, there is little reason to take your conclusions seriously.

Hahahaha...I love it! Good luck getting the bitch to eat crow, however. The more likely outcome is zero acknowledgement or his standard moving of the goalposts. Good find though!!

Prison Bitch 06-24-2014 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10712793)
You make this too easy.










And are you still arguing that Salvy should have been platooned when he has a .290 career average against righties? You are a professional at hyperbolic overreactions and as your past posts prove, there is little reason to take your conclusions seriously.


I'm not convinced we "won" the Greinke deal. You are? So far Esobar and Cain have been pretty blasé, until this season. If Cain stays healthy then it changes quite a bit. Also you have to NPV trades. Getting some more WAR in the out years doesn't equal getting it now, nor does it account for the fact Milwaukee has already replaced both (with equal or better players mind you) at the same cost.

Chiefspants 06-24-2014 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10712844)
I'm not convinced we "won" the Greinke deal. You are? So far Esobar and Cain have been pretty blasé, until this season. If Cain stays healthy then it changes quite a bit. Also you have to NPV trades. Getting some more WAR in the out years doesn't equal getting it now, nor does it account for the fact Milwaukee has already replaced both (with equal or better players mind you) at the same cost.

Still firm on your (Late April 2014) belief that Gordo is an "utter disgrace?"

mr. tegu 06-24-2014 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10712844)
I'm not convinced we "won" the Greinke deal. You are? So far Esobar and Cain have been pretty blasé, until this season. If Cain stays healthy then it changes quite a bit. Also you have to NPV trades. Getting some more WAR in the out years doesn't equal getting it now, nor does it account for the fact Milwaukee has already replaced both (with equal or better players mind you) at the same cost.

In 2012, to go along with his .293 average, Esky had 35 steals and posted a 3.4 WAR. But he did nothing before this season? Sure.

Last season he took a step back and was clearly ignoring the things that made him successful the year before. That seems to have been corrected though.

Three7s 06-24-2014 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712770)
Better move remains acquiring a bat.

Adrian Beltre is by far the best target for the Royals, so let's hope the Rangers continue to tank.

I would've said Beltre in my prior post, but I figured that would command too much. I thought Prado would be a little more Royals-eske.

Don Corlemahomes 06-25-2014 04:15 PM

I'd rather see us get Zobrist than Prado.

Between the contract and prospect cost, Beltre seems impossible.

SPchief 06-25-2014 04:26 PM

Lincecum just pitched his 2nd no hitter in 2 years against the Padres

Prison Bitch 06-25-2014 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 10712851)
Still firm on your (Late April 2014) belief that Gordo is an "utter disgrace?"

Oh yes, he was absolutely playing like shit in April. He's been great since.

Chiefspants 06-25-2014 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10715024)
Oh yes, he was absolutely playing like shit in April. He's been great since.

Wait. In spite of having an 18 WAR over the three previous seasons, he suddenly "sucked" and was an "utter disgrace" after a slow start to the season? Your hyperbolic summations are why no one here takes you seriously.

Even Miguel Cabrera goes through cold streaks, it's baseball, it happens, and being unable to adapt to that must make it frustrating to follow the sport.

Prison Bitch 06-25-2014 06:34 PM

Gordon didn't have a very good year last season at the plate IIRC but maybe he did. Fortunately defense always travels.


At any rate we can argue about the hitters all day until we are blue in the face, but try defending our lineup on another teams message board and get feedback from unbiased folks who aren't homers like you seem to be.


The data is clear: our hitting sucks, has sucked, and will suck. Regardless how that hurts your feelings.

tk13 06-25-2014 06:40 PM

It's funny because they had a big debate tonight on MLB Network whether Gordon was a superstar. The analysts... Harold Reynolds and Al Leiter said no. They agreed he's an excellent player but they'd need to see him hit 30 HR first to call him a superstar. Brian Kenny, who usually brings the sabermetric angle... argued maybe he should be considered in that class, he's top 10 in WAR over the last 4 years, and is near the top again this year.

lewdog 06-25-2014 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10715240)
It's funny because they had a big debate tonight on MLB Network whether Gordon was a superstar. The analysts... Harold Reynolds and Al Leiter said no. They agreed he's an excellent player but they'd need to see him hit 30 HR first to call him a superstar. Brian Kenny, who usually brings the sabermetric angle... argued maybe he should be considered in that class, he's top 10 in WAR over the last 4 years, and is near the top again this year.

I like Gordon but I don't see him as a superstar, and given his age, I doubt he gets there since it took him a long time to develop.

Kidd Lex 06-25-2014 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10715229)
Gordon didn't have a very good year last season at the plate IIRC but maybe he did. Fortunately defense always travels.


At any rate we can argue about the hitters all day until we are blue in the face, but try defending our lineup on another teams message board and get feedback from unbiased folks who aren't homers like you seem to be.


The data is clear: our hitting sucks, has sucked, and will suck. Regardless how that hurts your feelings.

I actually agree with PB here. This line up is weak, but with a couple long ball threats, everyone would become exponentially better.

The reason our Babip is so damn weak is because pitchers can nibble and play around because no ones in any danger of making them pay, and therefore no hitters protective. That has a negative snow ball effect on performance and vice versa.

Chiefspants 06-25-2014 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 10715229)
Gordon didn't have a very good year last season at the plate IIRC but maybe he did. Fortunately defense always travels.


At any rate we can argue about the hitters all day until we are blue in the face, but try defending our lineup on another teams message board and get feedback from unbiased folks who aren't homers like you seem to be.


The data is clear: our hitting sucks, has sucked, and will suck. Regardless how that hurts your feelings.

Let's get back on topic. You wanted me to find where you bashed Gordon, Cain and Escobar. In spite of you saying these posts didn't exist at all, I found a post where you bashed all of them within the last six months.

And again, with the truth right in your face, you're proceeding to dodge, shift the subject, and move the goalposts.

I don't know why I'm surprised.

KevB 06-25-2014 10:21 PM

The A's Sean Doolittle's K to walk ratio is 53:1. Let me repeat --- he has struck out 53 batters and walked 1. Hard to believe.

KC_Connection 06-25-2014 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10715988)
The A's Sean Doolittle's K to walk ratio is 53:1. Let me repeat --- he has struck out 53 batters and walked 1. Hard to believe.

And I thought Koji had a good K/BB.

tk13 06-25-2014 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10715988)
The A's Sean Doolittle's K to walk ratio is 53:1. Let me repeat --- he has struck out 53 batters and walked 1. Hard to believe.

In May and June he's pitched 23.1 innings and allowed 0 runs on 5 hits.

BigBeauford 06-25-2014 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevB (Post 10715988)
The A's Sean Doolittle's K to walk ratio is 53:1. Let me repeat --- he has struck out 53 batters and walked 1. Hard to believe.

Sounds like he's been doing..............a lot.

ChiefsCountry 06-25-2014 10:58 PM

Speaking of the A's, the dumbasses just renewed their lease for the Coliseum for 10 more years. When the lease is up, it will be 57 years I think they have played in that shithole.

Prison Bitch 06-25-2014 11:09 PM

Lincecum hits today: 2
Lincecum hits allowed today: 0

C3HIEF3S 06-25-2014 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10716027)
Speaking of the A's, the dumbasses just renewed their lease for the Coliseum for 10 more years. When the lease is up, it will be 57 years I think they have played in that shithole.

Jesus, I hate that shithole with a passion.

ChiefsCountry 06-26-2014 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10716057)
Jesus, I hate that shithole with a passion.

If I had the money, and couldn't get the Royals, I would buy that team and move it Nashville just to get it out of that shithole.

teedubya 06-26-2014 07:03 AM

It's a shame we couldn't have saved a few runs from that Detroit series... win 10, lose 6 of 7. #murica

Prison Bitch 06-26-2014 06:42 PM

No hitters thrown by San Diego, entire 45 year history: 0
No hitters thrown against San Diego by same guy, last 2 years: 2

KChiefs1 06-27-2014 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 10712396)
The Royals definitely have the prospects to pull Samardzija if they want him.

The question is if swapping in Samardzija for either Duffy or Ventura really helps the team make the playoffs this year (I broke that down last week in this thread, it is a marginal gain at best, assuming all stay on current track).

if the Royals could pull a trade for Samardzija without sacrificing Ventura, Duffy or Zimmer, I think it makes a lot more sense. If not... sit tight and use your bullets to get a bat.

Look at this scenario:

Quote:

www.pinetarpress.com

Royals Should Creatively Trade James Shields
by: David Lesky Posted date: June 25, 2014

And then I’m proposing that they turn around and trade for David Price.

You might be asking yourself what I first asked myself when the idea popped into my head and it’s why a team would trade for Shields and let the Royals acquire Price when the original team could just go out and get David Price. That’s a great question and a fair one, but can actually be answered realistically. James Shields is going to be far less expensive in terms of both prospects and dollars than David Price will be. Shields is a free agent in three months. Any team acquiring James Shields is renting him for that time and potentially getting an opportunity to negotiate with him if they think they can sign him to the deal he wants. Of course, Shields has also never gone through free agency, so that might not be possible for even the richest of teams. The other reason a team might trade for Shields instead of just trading for Price is that the Rays may not want to trade with certain teams in need of pitching (*cough Orioles, Yankees, Red Sox and Blue Jays cough cough*). Or if they do, they’d require far more in return than they would of a team trading for Price outside of their division.

So my next question to myself was if this would be a three team trade or if it would be two separate trades. I think it would have to be a three team deal, which might make it harder to consummate, but could still work out for both sides. For example, if the Royals were to strike up a conversation with the Yankees and the Rays, something could be worked out on all fronts that would make everybody happy. The Yankees are desperately in need of starting pitching. Masahiro Tanaka can’t do it all. With C.C. Sabathia hurt, Ivan Nova out for the year and Hiroki Kuroda up and down, they’re in a bad way. They could really use James Shields. The Rays don’t have any young catching and would want some young pitching to come back their way in any deal for David Price. Enter Gary Sanchez, one of the Yankees top prospects. He happens to be blocked by Brian McCann who the Yankees just signed to a long-term deal. Trade Sanchez and another part for James Shields, ship Sanchez, two of Almonte, Zimmer, Manaea and another piece like a Cheslor Cuthbert, Jason Adam or Jorge Bonifacio to Tampa Bay and bring back David Price. Maybe even ask for Ben Zobrist too. It never hurts to ask, right?

This move, and just about every other potential move that has piqued my interest takes both 2014 and 2015 into consideration. From the Royals perspective, by trading away James Shields and picking up David Price, it actually helps to keep their window open a little bit longer. Some might argue that their window in 2015 would still be open with or without James Shields because of the development of Yordano Ventura and Danny Duffy, but it never hurts to have a legitimate, Cy Young candidate ace to put at the front of your rotation. While Price isn’t having his best season this year, he is a workhorse who gets a ton of strikeouts and doesn’t walk batters. In his last five starts, he’s back to David Price from throwing 38.1 innings with 49 strikeouts and five walks. Those aren’t typos. He has a 2.58 ERA in those five starts.

Yes, it would hurt to give up two of their top pitching prospects, but that’s where that development of Ventura and Duffy comes into play for the future. Plus, if you’re going to acquire a guy like David Price, the trade is going to hurt on some levels I’ll never say the Royals don’t need pitching prospects, but to have two young starters who seem to be picking it up quickly certainly helps right that ship. Add in Jason Vargas and the Royals can stand to trade a couple of their future potential studs in an effort to acquire someone who has already reached that status.

Trading Shields helps to limit the burden on payroll this year and to limit the burden on prospect cost as the Royals can turn and flip one of the prospects acquired from trading away James Shields. Looking forward to next year, David Price is probably worth $18 million to $19 million in arbitration. That’s an addition of about $5 million on this year’s payroll in replacing Shields, but if Price can help lead the Royals to the playoffs, that money is very much worth it. For this season, they’re effectively the same cost. Even if the Royals decide they don’t want to/can’t pay that price, Price could be traded in the off-season, which would recoup at least some of what was lost when they traded for him. If Ventura and Duffy keep progressing, that might even be the best option of all of them.

So no, the Royals probably aren’t going to do anything like this, but a little creativity could go a long way toward the Royals improving their roster to make a playoff push in 2014. I think they have a chance to compete in future seasons, but I also think that this has a chance to be their best chance to make the playoffs.

While they don’t need Price, anywhere you can make an upgrade is important, and it’s hard to argue that Price isn’t an upgrade over James Shields, as good as Shields is. I mentioned Zobrist above, and he’d be a nice get in a deal like with the intention of him slotting in as the right fielder for now and maybe be the super utility guy who plays every day in 2015. It’s that time of year, the time to talk trades and just throw ideas against a wall to see what sticks. This idea, though, could benefit the Royals, Rays and whoever would end up with James Shields.


Why Not? 06-27-2014 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 10718142)
Look at this scenario:

Trade our number 2 in aces clothing for a real ace? In

duncan_idaho 06-27-2014 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 10718142)
Look at this scenario:

I saw that. Seems pretty complicated and I doubt it could happen in reality, but the trade values he suggests match up pretty well.

Three7s 06-27-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Why Not? (Post 10718401)
Trade our number 2 in aces clothing for a real ace? In

#2? His numbers suggest a #4 at the moment.

Why Not? 06-27-2014 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Three7s (Post 10718428)
#2? His numbers suggest a #4 at the moment.

Yeah. I was being super homer best case optomistic

alnorth 06-27-2014 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10716027)
Speaking of the A's, the dumbasses just renewed their lease for the Coliseum for 10 more years. When the lease is up, it will be 57 years I think they have played in that shithole.

Why the hell did they do that? I know the San Jose thing has hit a serious snag, but they really want to commit to that horrible dump for another decade?

The only thing I can think of is maybe The A's knew they were not going to be able to go anywhere before their current lease ran out, and maybe the Coliseum folks knew they had to stay and took advantage of it by playing hardball, saying "if you want to stay, you must sign up for at least 10 years. If you wont do that, then get out of our building" (knowing that they couldn't leave the year after the lease ends so they had no choice)

sedated 06-27-2014 10:39 AM

Shields has hurt both us (trade value, if we have to go that way) and himself ($$$) with this performance this year. Hopefully he turns it around.

WhawhaWhat 06-27-2014 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 10718578)
Shields has hurt both us (trade value, if we have to go that way) and himself ($$$) with this performance this year. Hopefully he turns it around.

They were talking on the radio the other day, 810 morning show with Buster Olney as a guest, about Shields not throwing his changeup near as often as he used to. I wonder if he has an injury or something that he is fighting through that is leaving his pitches up in the zone and preventing him from throwing his best pitch.

ChiefsCountry 06-27-2014 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 10718564)
Why the hell did they do that? I know the San Jose thing has hit a serious snag, but they really want to commit to that horrible dump for another decade?

The only thing I can think of is maybe The A's knew they were not going to be able to go anywhere before their current lease ran out, and maybe the Coliseum folks knew they had to stay and took advantage of it by playing hardball, saying "if you want to stay, you must sign up for at least 10 years. If you wont do that, then get out of our building" (knowing that they couldn't leave the year after the lease ends so they had no choice)

What I have read is the A's are sort of banking on the Raiders to move again, or if not develop a sports complex at the current coliseum site with development like a Power & Light in it. A's owner is a hotel developer so that would be their angle in a deal. It's also worth noting that the Giants plan to switch their AAA team to Sacramento, which has been with the A's. Another nail in a place where the A's could have moved to.

WhawhaWhat 06-27-2014 11:52 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Royals minor-league affiliate at Wilmington is no-hit for a second straight game: <a href="http://t.co/oqnN2Z4GEB">http://t.co/oqnN2Z4GEB</a></p>&mdash; Pete Grathoff (@pgrathoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgrathoff/statuses/482758145236692992">June 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Why Not? 06-28-2014 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 10720090)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Royals minor-league affiliate at Wilmington is no-hit for a second straight game: <a href="http://t.co/oqnN2Z4GEB">http://t.co/oqnN2Z4GEB</a></p>&mdash; Pete Grathoff (@pgrathoff) <a href="https://twitter.com/pgrathoff/statuses/482758145236692992">June 28, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Bahahhaa. The Process!

Prison Bitch 06-28-2014 12:23 PM

How emasculating was it for Mistakeas + Erica watching a peer come into their home and blast a 489' (per ESPN measure) bomb in front of them? At least the Keystone Clowns responded with a nice 1-9 back at him.

tk13 06-28-2014 12:26 PM

McCullough said Royals staff walked off Trout's homer and changed their measurement to 455 feet. I think they originally said 445. I'm assuming they stop measuring once the ball hits something.

Prison Bitch 06-28-2014 12:46 PM

They measure where it lands, ESPN where it would've eventually landed. So if you stretch out Trout you have to do so for Bo, who's 475' bomb easily went further. He hit his right center field, landing on the base of the scoreboard pillars. Crazy.

BWillie 06-28-2014 11:24 PM

The entire staff at Wilmington needs to be canned. Unreal how bad that team is offensively

salame 06-29-2014 01:19 AM

billy Butler sucks

Archie F. Swin 06-29-2014 10:56 AM

in other news, Tim Collins shaved

C3HIEF3S 06-29-2014 08:27 PM

All 3 twins pitches we face have an ERA over 5.



Yes... 5.

stonedstooge 06-29-2014 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10723400)
All 3 twins pitches we face have an ERA over 5.



Yes... 5.

Seems like those are the types of pitchers we have the most problem with.

lewdog 06-29-2014 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S (Post 10723400)
All 3 twins pitches we face have an ERA over 5.



Yes... 5.

shutout
no hitter
1 run

ChiefsCountry 06-29-2014 09:12 PM

22 of the next 26 against teams with losing records. 20 of the next 26 against AL Central teams. July is a golden month to make a big move in standings, if not AL Central lead at least for the AL Wildcard.

Three7s 06-29-2014 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 10723445)
shutout
no hitter
1 run

:LOL:

I'll be more realistic and go with:

shut out
2 runs
1 run via error

LOB for the series: 25

Kidd Lex 06-29-2014 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10721786)
The entire staff at Wilmington needs to be canned. Unreal how bad that team is offensively

Trust in the process

Lex Luthor 06-29-2014 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 10723456)
22 of the next 26 against teams with losing records. 20 of the next 26 against AL Central teams. July is a golden month to make a big move in standings, if not AL Central lead at least for the AL Wildcard.

Don't forget this is the team that got swept by the Astros and then dominated the Cardinals, Yankees, White Sox and Tigers. I'd love to see them beat up on the weaker teams, but I'm cautious in my optimism.


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