And I still think that Tyson Jackson and Dontari Poe being in the 0 technique firing through the A gap would be awesome.

They are both quick and powerful and have big bodies with long arms to bat passes away in the middle.

Jackson doesnt do much for me. But he was making some plays unlike Dorsey. Though i like dorsey in the 43

Anything is better than having the lineman stand at the line and play patty cakes whilst the QB eats a sandwich in the pocket till he spots an open reciever.

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I gota say fellas its SOOOOOO nice to be able to talk about FOOTBALL instead of Egoli. BTW did you guys hear Babb say Pioli referred to himself as Jesus Christ? He said he feels his pain. LMAO

Again, a pure runstopper isn't what you need for the Tampa 2.

I had some discussions with Sorter on Dorsey. I think he could play fine in a 3-technique, but he's studied him enough to say Dorsey has struggled in that role. So he's not an ideal fit for either a 1-gap 3-4 or a 4-3 DT. His value might just be that he's an average rotational 5-technique in a 2-gap defense. Poe can be okay in a 1-technique, but again... that changes him from a game changer to a guy in a more supporting role in a 4-3. It doesn't get the most of his potential.

Hali and Houston would likely do fine in a 4-3. But again, you're talking about two studs in a 3-4 and there's anything but a guarantee they'd come close to matching how good they are. Hali's history is that he has been significantly better in a 3-4.

I think Tyson Jackson could play in a 40 front. I'd like to see him 1-gap just to see what he can do.

If we stick in the 34 we have to have an attacking one. Not this read and react shit. It doesnt work. Only worked for RAC because they were cheating in New England

Denver style 4-3??

Jackson-Poe-Dorsey-Hali

Houston(Von's role)-MLB-DJ

Just throwing shit out there.

Now that I could get into...

If the front office "Dorsey" signs....I can't imagine this not happening...along with some pretty dang exciting off-season FA acquisitions.



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My biggest fear is that instead of keeping the 3-4 and ditching the 2-gap, we are gonna ditch the 3-4 and KEEP the 2-gap.

I gotcha man. Just dont wana switch D aligments but **** it Reid's been successful. Get another good DC

We all agree on that. Ray Horton, Ron Rivera, Reggie Herring run a more 1-gap style of a 3-4. That's a far easier change to make. Really the two critical pieces there are 3-technique DEs, which are not impossible to find. And hell, Dorsey and Bailey might be okay to do that already.

I think the fact we have no LB's for 4-3 says we stay 3-4.

yes DJ can play OLB, but other than that when we move Hali/Houston up we have a bunch of scrubs.

Yeah, that's about the best I can come up with if they do have to switch.

Reid hasn't been successful on defense. Jim Johnson was a defensive mastermind and the architect of Reid's successful defense in the early decade. Since he died, the Eagles' defense has struggled. Reid's defense has ranked outside the top 15 and he's fired 2 DCs in 4 years (his final Bowles, was so bad, he deserved to be the 3rd guy fired). Not a good track record.

Again, it's why I don't want Reid deciding what defense we run. He doesn't know what his defensive identity is, other than he wants an attacking defense that will probably never live up to the unbelievably brilliant scheme his DC ran years ago.

For those that want to switch or at least are OK with the 43, who are we putting next to DJ? We need 2 LB's if we switch to a 43.

I don't really worry about Tamba or Houston producing pressure-wise in a 43. I do however think they are both great in a 34 and wonder if they will be that good in the 43.

DJ can play MLB in the 4-3. He did in 2008.

I'd rather find two new OLBs than two 1-gap 3-4 DL.

Ok ya i was thinking of a D like that. Would love to steal Del Rio and make him assistant HC :lol: just to steal him from Denver

Exactly. Not to mention finding a Mike, which can be a huge challenge, since they are one of the quarterbacks of the defense.

And let's be honest, DJ wasn't good in the 4-3. The guy vacated lanes too often leading to huge runs on the outside. In the 3-4, he's not responsible for that anymore and it frees him up to make plays.

Chiefzilla you are way off on this.

DJ can absolutely play 4-3 mike.

See post 6410

Bailey and Dorsey would be every bit as good at playing the 1-gap in a 3-4 as Poe and Dorsey would be playing DT in a 4-3. Except that in a 3-4, their role as DEs aren't nearly as critical as their role as DT in a 4-3.

I'd rather not be near the bottom of the league in rushing defense, which is basically what you're advocating. Either Hali or Houston needs to stay at LB.

God landry Jones sucks goat cocks

How am I off on this? They experimented with him in the Mike, and he wasn't good. He was only adequate as an OLB.

Finding a Will that can excel in the Tampa 2 isn't easy.

We need to be focused on fixing the OFFENSE with our high draft picks.

DJ played 208 snaps in the 4-3 as a mike backer in 2008.

He had a +1.8 rating and more importantly, 11 defensive stops, which is a very good stops-to-snaps ratio.

I have a hunch we're going 4-3. DJ will be just fine in this role.

ROFL

Just stop, those guys can't play 1-gap at all.

What happens if we switch and the tackles still don't work? We are then looking at holes at 2 LB spots and the tackles. I personally would prefer to stay. I like the 34 more in general though so I am always going to lean that way, especially if the personnel is not screaming 43.

It's easier than finding a guy like JJ Watt.

That's what we need if we stay 3-4.

I don't think there's any doubt they'll go back to a 4-3

Then we have to find a Will. Those guys are almost always 1st or 2nd rounders. What a waste when we can already field a defense and use those picks on the offense.

JFC. You think JJ Watt is your typical 3-4 DE? That's like saying every 5-technique needs to be Richard Seymour.

Who are all the other 3-techniques in a 3-4? You can have a very good defense if your 3-4 DE is Aaron Smith or Brett Keisel. These aren't guys that are hard to find.

God Bailey sucks. He couldnt do shit this year. He looked like he was coming on as a pass rusher late last year

Margus hunt is the next Jk watt



And you don't "have" to have that. You need a keisel or ziggy hood.

Yeah I saw that. I do like that idea more. The concern I would have is that we have 3 guys on that dline we don't know for sure will work. I guess either way our dlineman are going to be the question marks one way or another.

I think DJ can probably play any LB position in any defense.

That still doesn't put anyone next to him except Siler who can at best be a depth MLB in 4-3. Who else we gonna trot out there? Studebaker? Nope, hes a backup DE or a camp casualty in 4-3.

That's just ****ing crazy. 6 or 7 teams play a 1-gap 30 or hybrid and only 1 of them have a JJ Watt.

Bailey likely can. And I'm pointing out that I'd rather look for a 1-gap DE than find a top-notch DT starter. Know how I know that? Look at how much Aaron Smith, one of the better 3-4 DEs in the game gets paid vs. what any top tier DT gets paid.

JJ Watt is a beast no matter the scheme. He was a 43 beast at Wisconsin. He's a freak

Yeah, but again, you're talking about a guy who has shown flashes of being an absolute stud in a 3-4 vs. moving to a 4-3 where he's played marginal, mostly because he played so inconsistently.

Heh. Love it when Walrus whips out his PFFcock and owns.

Like with the coaching spot and gm, lets just wait and see what happens for we attack each other.


This is a special time in chiefs history lets just enjoy

And we have 3 all pro type lbs. get some guys in front of them

Why? Based on what?

He has no get off, no moves, no quickness.

He sucks.

Owns what? You're really going to build the case that DJ, a guy we knew was inconsistent and prone to several big mistakes in the game and was the "quarterback" of a defense that ranked in the bottom 10 is ideal for the Mike? Just because PFF has a few stats where he did okay, much of which happened in garbage time?

I don't think DJ is suited for only one scheme.

Whatever Haley and Romeo did to fix him FIXED HIM. He's gonna succeed in ANY defense from now on.

They put him in a scheme where he could freelance. That's what he is, a freelancer.

Put him in a defense that requires absolute discipline and he goes right back to what he was.

He has some strength...atleast that's what they said draft night

He proved that yes he can play well in a 4-3, so yeah. I remember him flashing and making plays when he moved there and it's backed up by PFF which I regard very highly.

The best move could very well be going "Bronco style". Wes Woodyard has had a big year for ****'s sake.

He was also prone to horrible breakdowns. We set an NFL record for giving up runs over 20 yards one of those seasons.

Whoomp there it is! PBJ

That sounds like something someone would say and YOU would rail them for it
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Sorry but I think DJ has been a very, very disciplined defender the last 3 years.

He's outstanding at staying in his lane, getting off blocks and making the play. Linemen can't get their hands on him in the open field.

Bernard Pollard says hi.

He proved that he can play adequate in a 4-3. He didn't play well. The point being is that we're talking about three pro bowl calibre players in a 3-4 who you're now reducing in a new scheme.

Again... why do that when you can make the scheme fit the players?

He made some really insane plays behind the LOS last year.

In a 3-4, he plays in a narrower role. Limits potential for mistakes, and his mistakes can often be covered up by his teammates.

One swoop or death by 100 cuts like this year ;)

Whatever they do....ATTACK!!!

This is just like people saying Hali couldn't play in a 3-4 four years ago.

LMAO

There's a reason they call them "safeties". The role of the LB in the Cover 2 is to cover lanes and gaps as your linemen get upfield. It requires patience and discipline, something that isn't DJs strength. DJ has an uncanny nose for the ball.

I can't believe people are so eager to slam square pegs in round holes.

Actually, I said Hali would be better in a 3-4. And I was right.

Oh, if we are running a Cover 2....**** NO!!

I'm advocating a scheme more like that of my most hated team.

UGH god **** whoever defends that guy. Worst ****ing tackler off all time. Sucks in pass coverage too! He's doing ok cuz he's in a great D scheme and playing around HOF LB and S

I just want DJ near the ball. He's a ball hawk

The guys getting the most buzz right now are Kiffin and Jauron. Both are strict 4-3 guys and of course Kiffin = Tampa 2.

Yep. That why putting him the Mike in a Tampa 2 is a bad idea.

He's like a ****ing shark lurking in the water. LET HIM LURK!

Clay put a pic together of DJ being a shark

But we now know he's better in a 34. Same with DJ



Why change

TOTALLY AGREE.

This.

So can he be a stud MLB in a 4-3? Can Houston be an OLB in a 4-3? Set Houston over Hali on the left side, DJ in the middle. Poe pit and Dorsey or powe the rest of he line and we need another OLB for 4-3?

Finding a better scheme to pressure the QB for one. The pass rush skills of our D-line is just painful to watch. Just playing devil's advocate.

We're not going to get that. As I've said before, we have a head coach who's been trying to re-invent a defense that was the product of a brilliant defensive coordinator with a scheme nobody's really been able to replicate. I don't like the idea of speculation about the DC coming out before we hire the GM. I want this decision to be largely driven by the GM.