Don't be so intentionally dense. Missouri funds the state sponsored schools. They get those funds from generated revenues. Those revenues are from collected taxes. The more they have, the more discretionary they can be with what improvements they want to make within the state of Missouri. Missouri's desire is to USE the rivalry with Kansas to increase their intake. I don't care if MU and Missouri wants to do that, I'm just stating what I believe KU would concede to to continue the yearly game in the state of Missouri.

As for the tournament, that's a conference decision and the conference will want the tournament held in and to the benefit of a state within the conference. If you really can't understand that then this discussion is at an impasse.

Almost makes up for all the professional sports benefits Kansans enjoy that are paid for by the residents of Jackson County, doesn't it?

No, more along the lines of people who came into the city to watch the tournament in person and stayed on the Kansas side. Now that money will all be in the south. By the way.... the KU AD needs to understand the Big 12 is not a midwest conference, it is a southwest conference.

I think its dangerous to cross collegiate loyalties with professional geographic ones. KC set itself up to be a regional attraction. I know KU fans that can't stand the Chiefs and Kansas based Chiefs fans that can't stand the Jayhawks or Wildcats.

Surprising considering Georgia Tech has twice as many NC's and has the most recent one by 10 years.

It stretches from Iowa to Texas, that looks pretty "mid" to me. I live in SoCal, and even when I hear "southwest", I think of Arizona and New Mexico before I think of San Diego!

The power of the Big XII Tournament in KC was the ability of KU fans from as far out as Topeka to make a short trip to KC and scalp tickets from other fans because you could almost be assured KU was going to be in the finals. Most of the fans didn't have to stay in KC or had relatives they stayed with. Sure, they'll be some loss, but not to the extent KC, MO will endure. When people came to KC, they stayed downtown.

Look, I love the Tournament in KC. But, I'm not so naive as to not understand why an entire conference won't want to funnel those revenues to a non conference state. I understand KU in KC over the holiday break was a nice treat for its fans, but Lawrence isn't that far away. KC will need to make it worth KU's while to come back. Its sad to say, but its true. Anything else is relying on sentiment for tradition, and we've seen how much that is valued.

Who cares, its a moot point.

I was talking about where the conference power lies. It is a Southwest conference. Texas and Oklahoma completely control everything.

ROFL

Not one KU fan has said anything of the sort in this thread.

If they are booked maybe Western Illinois or Miami of Ohio will be available.

Well, KU might be able to give Western Illinois a game......

Tim, do you really think all of those "Missouri" pro teams could survive, if they were only supported by Missourians? Really?

As recently as the early 50s, St. Louis was the most western MLB team. My Dad was a fan of the St. Louis Cardinals in the 30s, growing up in NW Kansas. They had half of the U.S. for a territory.

I would guess Kansas Chief fans have paid up pretty well, for all of the fine rewards the Chiefs have bestowed on them the last 40 years. :D

If Mizzou leaves that's another long-tome rival the Big 8 has lost.

I guess we don't have to about Ann Richards petitioning this time hu

Duh. That's because KU fans act much, much more like Broncos fans than Chiefs fans.

With the caveat that no one really knows what is going on, if what we are talking about is either Missouri and stop at 10 or WVU, BYU, and Louisville, honestly I'd rather have the latter.

If BYU and WVU are in the same conference, your conference is dead before it starts. Neinas was staying because of the geography and culture. That's a 4000 mile round trip. Beyond that, what do West Virginia, Iowa State, BYU, and TCU have in common culturally? They have nothing.

The Kansas schools had better be working on an exit strategy yesterday. I promise you that Texas is not going to want to live on the island of misfit toys for long. LHN is going to flop, Teexas and ESPN will come to an agreement to let it dissolve, and Texas will be in the PAC 3 years from now.

So we've gone from the LHN being this unfair beast of a network that Texas is gonna build up and leave with, to, the LHN is gonna fail, Texas is gonna get out of their unfair contract and leave?

IS MISSURAH GONE TO THE B1G SEC YET?

Yes, but they're giving KU the privilege to attend a basketball tournament that they're hosting.

People are dense. LHN wasn't a beast of a network. It was an obstacle that prevented the creation of the Big XII network. If we were working towards that, this would never have happened.

That sounds awfully charitable of them.

Don't be so dense yourself. Do you actually think that having the tournament in KC increases Mizzou's funding? If the tournament leaves, is Mizzou's funding level going to be cut? I don't think so. Most of that tax money stays locally and you know it.

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Missouri’s exit would be no great loss for the Big 12


Aside from the Kansas City Chamber of Commerce and its retail members, who really cares if Missouri leaves the Big 12 Conference for the Southeast Conference?


It is known that, years ago, University of Missouri officials tried to gain membership in the Big Ten Conference, but they were rejected. They tried again within the past year or so and once again were denied admission.


Now, MU officials have knocked on the door of the Southeast Conference, asking to be admitted. Initial reports indicated that not enough SEC presidents were in favor of accepting a new member, but, apparently, there has been sufficient arm-twisting that the Tigers have been accepted by the membership committee.
Again, who really cares?


Granted, this writer is a lifelong fan and supporter of Kansas University, and his thoughts about MU may be based on individual actions and incidents, so it is wrong to generalize about the entire MU family. However, for whatever reason, Missouri is a different university and is in a different environment than the other Big 12 schools. Their fans are different; their alumni are different; their behavior is different; and they really don’t fit in with the other Big 12 schools.


It’s obvious football and money are the driving forces at MU. The university is not shifting to the SEC for academic reasons because the Big 12 has had far more schools in the American Association of Universities, the nation’s most prestigious association of research universities. Prior to Texas A&M’s move to the SEC, the conference had only two AAU schools: the University of Florida and Vanderbilt University.


The Big 12 would have the opportunity to invite one, two or three new members to join the conference if Missouri bolts. Chances are, whatever schools are invited, they will strengthen the excellence of the overall conference rather than merely add another football school.


If MU leaves, the annual Big 12 postseason basketball tournament might be moved, probably to Oklahoma City. Likewise, the so-called “Border War” football game between KU and MU, held at Kansas City’s Arrowhead Stadium in recent years, would come to an end, and any replacement game for KU would be played on the campuses of KU and its opponent — where they belong.


Some in Kansas City are trying to dream up other athletic events in their city to replace the dollars that would be lost by the demise of the traditional basketball tournament and the KU-MU football game. All this is based on dollars and cents and has nothing to do with school ties, history or geography.


Some have asked whether, even if Missouri is no longer a member of the Big 12, KU would agree to play the Tigers in some kind of annual football or basketball game in Kansas City. Based on KU basketball coach Bill Self’s reply to such a suggestion, the chances of such a game are slight.


A Baylor University coach recently was asked a similar question about continuing to play Texas A&M teams now that A&M is joining the SEC. She likened the situation to a nasty divorce. After all the fights and accusations and after the divorce has been granted, the husband acknowledges the divorce but asks his former wife if he might be able to occasionally sleep with her. The coach answered this hypothetical question with a resounding “NO.”


With MU officials and the thousands of MU fans urging the university to thumb its nose at the Big 12 and jump to the SEC, KU officials and fans should make it clear they have no desire to continue any athletic events with Missouri.


MU officials have made it clear they think playing football games in sold-out stadiums and the money attached to such games is the most important yardstick in determining their future intercollegiate athletic and academic relationships.
Once again, who’s sorry to see them leave?

Texas is not giving up the LHN, and ESPN is locked into it for 20 years. They are going nowhere. OU is also going nowhere, especially after the new Tier 1 deal results in per-school payments close to every other major conference.

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Realignment Today: 4:17 - KU AD Zenger releases statement as all signs point to Mizzou exit from Big 12

4:17 p.m. Update:
The following statement from KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger was released a few minutes ago.



“KU-Missouri is a great rivalry. The University of Kansas is a great Midwestern school, loyal to our Midwestern conference and to our Midwestern roots. The KU-Missouri rivalry belongs in the Big 12 Conference. Should Missouri decide to leave the Big 12, we would wish them well.”

Couple of things:

1. Notice there's nothing in there about continuing to play the Tigers. In fact, if you read into it you'll see that his stance that the KU-MU rivalry belongs in the Big 12 could mean this: You leave, we're done.
2. Notice that Zenger continues to push the Big 12 and KU's place in it. The guy and this university have been loyal to the league from minute one. They'll continue to be loyal from here on out.
3. Notice the emphasis on the Midwest. Missouri is not south or east.

All subtle statements, for sure, but it's clear that there will be no love lost between KU and MU if the Tigers leave.



That said, some sources continue to suggest that the Tigers did what they did to day in an attempt to get a better offer from the Big 12 Conference. It's not a bad move, but if they think for a second that the league is going to treat them the way it treated Texas, and to a lesser extent OU, when they threatened to leave, the folks at MU are kidding themselves.
Stay tuned...


3:17 p.m. Update:
Here's a good recap of what went on today from Dave Matter of the Columbia Tribune.



http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/...12/?tigerextra


Still working the phones to get more reaction, statements, if anyone else is interested in speaking today.
Stay tuned...



2:24 p.m. Update:
Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas released the following statement regarding Mizzou's "action" today:



"We look forward to discussing Missouri's future with the Big 12 Conference. The school has been involved with the Big 12 and its predecessor conferences since 1907. It is propitious that the Big 12 Board of Directors has a regularly scheduled meeting on Monday. Obviously, Conference membership will be thoroughly discussed at that time."

For those, like me, who aren't sure what propitious means, here's the first definition from dictionary.com: [pruh-Pish-uhs] adj., presenting favorable conditions; favorable.

Sounds like Neinas believes the meeting comes at a good time.
Stay tuned...



2:03 p.m. Update:
Before I jump in, here's a quick recap from the Associated Press regarding Missouri's startling announcement today that sounded an awful lot like the one they made a couple of weeks ago.



This is what the realignment saga has become in the Big 12. Everyone else is all-in and on board, but the Tigers continue to drag their feet. I'm sure they have their reasons. Again, moving to a different conference is not something that should be done overnight or without serious thought. But this is bordering on the ridiculous now.



Since the announcement, which came around 12:30 p.m. today, I've tried to track down some reaction from around the Big 12. The general consensus among those I've talked to is this: We're tired of Missouri's drama and we're ready for them to make a decision. If that means they're gone, we'll live.



Here's the AP report:
Kansas City, Mo. — The governing board of the University of Missouri has given its chancellor the authority to move the school out of the Big 12 Conference if that's what the school decides to do.
Chancellor Brady Deaton was given the authority following a two-day Board of Curators meeting that wrapped up Friday.
Missouri remains in the Big 12 and Deaton said discussions about alignment are ongoing. He says a "decision will be undertaken expeditiously."

Missouri is believed to want to leave for the Southeastern Conference. The Big 12 already has lost Nebraska and Colorado and will lose Texas A&M next year when TCU joins.

That's not all that was said today, though. And it's the other language that seems to indicate the Tigers just tipped their hand.
In addition to giving Deaton the authority to act — again — MU's curators announced that they have given Deaton the authority to explore the idea of playing a mid-season college basketball tournament to be played in Kansas City and an annual football game at Arrowhead Stadium against a regional rival.



Sounds an awful lot like the Tigers trying to save face with the folks in KC on their way out the door to me. Also sounds like that "regional rival" reference points to KU. Just as KU men's basketball coach Bill Self said a couple of weeks ago, sources have told me that if MU leaves the Border War rivalry would likely be dead. At least for a while.
More reaction to come throughout the day.


Stay tuned...

All of the bold made me laugh because these comments are either outlandish, misguided, or flat out wrong.

Yes, from the Lawrence Journal World.

For Kansas fans not caring about Mizzou leaving they sure do act awful bitter about it.

Personally, I just want the whole debacle to be over. If they want to leave, then leave. But take a stance and stick to it so the conference can move on.

FFS, go listen to sherrie. Mizzou is taking their time because it'll have more than a couple years effect on the university. It is a decision that effects the entire future of Mizzou. Once, or if, they (Deaton) finds out the SEC would be a better decision, it will happen. Right now we're just going through the steps of switching conferences. Deal with it.


500th post btw.:mizzou:

Based on the fact that Neinas used the word propitious incorrectly, maybe he should read the definition.

My favorite toilet paper.

Pretty obvious huh?

The decision has been made, they are not still trying to decide. This is their third effort to try and find some other conference that wants them.
They are milking this, keeping everyone else hanging.

Like the article said, they are neither South, nor East. But good luck to them, now get going please.

Parts of the state are pretty Southern. There is significant Southerness to Missouri.

Man you're jealous....

What, you think you're going to a conference where you're going to get exactly 1/14 of the power?! What a stupid argument. Conferences are ruled by football prowess. If KU, KSU and ISU were football powerhouses, it wouldn't make it any more "midwest" than it is. Now you're going to a conference where the powere is all "deep south" rather than "southwest". Why you think this is going to be better for you I have no idea. Your major cities border B!G and Big XII states. But, if you want to think of yourself as "southern", you go right ahead.

Let me put it this way: KU is not interested in helping the Missouri economy directly or indirectly if they want to be an SEC state. We're not interested in improving your schools, your roads, or your hotels. We're not interested in bringing national attention to your state, it doesn't benefit us in any way other than convenience.

I am from the south. I have no ties to MU at all. I was just pointing out the KU AD's misuse of the term "Midwest conference."

It isn't a "misuse". You decided to articifially limit how a conference's regionality is determined. Iowa, Kansas and even Oklahoma are all "midwest". There are other sports than football. "Southwest" teams still have to travel to the "North-Midwest" schools to play them every other year. Texas is in the "middle" of the country and in the "central" time zone. You just made up a limitation and want to call that the universal reason for labeling.

My definition of Midwest is among the broadest acceptable definitions, and even it doesn't consider Oklahoma a Midwestern state.

Who is going to be Ku's next head coach?

Who knows? Who's gonna be Mizzou's rival next year?

You spoke so definative about ku's stance on not playing in arrowhead I thought you were a KU spokesperson.

Sorry, its a carry over from speaking as a person often in a position of authority. If you want someone more "connected", maybe you can divine for yourself what the AD and Coach Self have intimated, what the city of KC fears. I can only speak as someone who lived in Kansas at one time and attended KU. I don't think my sentiment is out on much of an island, but you are free to conclude what you want.

It was an original Big 8, so I do.

Colorado is Midwestern too, then?

Certainly eastern Colorado has more in common than the mountain region. Some states don't fit neatly into any one definition, but yes, when they were Big 8, I considered them midwest.

Agreed that some states aren't easily defined as far as region goes.

Which states are Midwestern to you?

I tend to look at the Mississippi River as the more true dividing line on the east side and the continental divide on the west, up and until you get into true desert territory to the southwest. Probably more accurately described as the Midwestern Plains with a history dominated by the cattle trails.

I realize this leaves out a large portion of what is considered "Midwest", which I would call the "Upper Midwest", east of the Mississippi to the Great Lakes.

If someone doesn't like the Midwest label...call it tornado alley...which is typically defined as that area that stretches from Iowa through missouri,kansas,oklahoma and texas....no doubt MU is a part of that as witnessed by the tragedy at Joplin.

Ballsack!

Rumor is MU is now lobbying for the SEC to take Iowa State so they can win a game.

Link?

I'm going to miss you tards during football season, lol. Swear to God.

bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
Mu will play in a ton of homecoming games in the future good thing they invented it #mizzou

Bob Fescoe is the last moron that should be trying to clown Mizzou football...a frickin Pop Warner team could cover the spread against his school right about now.

It's all he's got.


To state the obvious, however, Mizzou picked the wrong year to come up mediocre. Frankilin over Gabbert was a horrendous decision by Pinkel and company.

Looks like Colorado might be having a bit of cognitive dissonance... currently down to Oregon 45-2.

someone should inform Bob that they didn't invent it.

That MU invented homecoming is the first thing Fescoe has gotten right in ages.

MU did not. Illinois did, or at the very least was holding them before MU.

Bwahahahaha!

Fescoe might be reeruned but this is pretty funny.

It is generally accepted that MU invented homecoming. Deal with it.

Who really gives a shit about inventing homecoming?

Infantile pricks who can't miss a single opportunity to cry about anything related to Missouri?

The same old dumbasses.

http://www.komu.com/news/mu-hypes-gr...not-the-first/

If I do little digging I can point you to a news article in MU's own newspaper from 1911 stating that they were having their own homecoming modeled after Illinois'.

LOL....I'll just claim I invented baseball then....and whine when someone states I didn't.

Keep regurgitating the butthurt mikey.

yeah, dude, stating a fact is butthurt. you've got me. oversensitive much?

Nope, but your butthurt has been prevalent throughout the thread. I could say MU uniforms are black, and you would answer back saying they are pink and ugly. You can't say anything good about Mizzou, and that shows your bias and butthurt about the whole situation.

that would not be a fact, and that WOULD be butthurt. All I stated was a fact. Frankly, this who butthurt thing is as played out as the race card.

A more apt statement would be I could state that Missouri has never been to a Final Four and you'd argue you were at the first one.

SEC > Big 12 - get over it!

If Mizzou chooses to go..

The SEC is better than the Big 12. And every other conference. I don't think anyone is really disputing that. Is your name Sherie?

IF they chose not to go, it would be the biggest mistake in the history of that university.

I cant think of one reason why MU would stay in the Titanic 12, NOT ONE REASON!!!!

Nope, but keep that burt hurt coming. I can readily admit Mizzou has never made a final four. I can readily admit that KSU looked very good today destroying KU. You cannot say a good thing about Mizzou to save your life.

Go ahead, prove me wrong. Link me to one good thing you have ever said about Mizzou.

VALIDATE ME