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Mosbonian 09-23-2011 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7935102)
I wouldn't, even if the SEC held a press conference to announce they are ready to accept. That is not to say Mizzou shouldn't play poker, if they have some cards to play to make sure Tier 1/2 is shared, force the Big 12 to put up rules on showing tier 3 conference games and make sure the LHN doesn't show high school, then by all means, play those cards. More power to MU if they can get those reforms.

However, if we all get that, then there's not much of a reason, other than emotion, to leave the conference for the SEC. The Big 12 TV contracts are temporarily low and will be comparable to everyone else in a few years. Tier 3 money isn't enough to complain about and the SEC also does not share Tier 3 money anyway, so you gain nothing there. "stability" is an artificial fake complaint since you can force stability if everyone really wants it, and once we get a new contract in 2015 there wont be any financial reason to leave anyway.

All you really get is long pain-in-the-ass road trips, and a smaller chance of ever making it into a BCS bowl. Its a somewhat more realistic option for Texas schools due to geography and culture.
I know you put me on ignore, but I'm answering this to the general populace, mostly because you are making assumptions that aren't necessarily true.

The Big 12 contracts are low because they need to be renegotiated and will be when they expire. But yours, and others, assumptions that they will surpass the PAC 12, SEC or Big 10 is at best, childlike.

Why would anyone pay exhorbitant money for a conference that has shown horrid instability, is weighted HEAVILY towards 2 teams at best, and has not shown it's drawing power outside the midwest?

And, you are assuming that Texas and OU will even stay around for the new contract. They aren't going to agree to lock themselves in to a contract that ties their hands....their egos are too large.

I'm betting that if UT and OU make any concessions to keep the B12 intact they will only be to the extent that they are minor.

RustShack 09-23-2011 12:11 PM
You realize they have already agreed to this six year deal.. right?

RustShack 09-23-2011 12:12 PM
Meaning Oklahoma and Texas are staying around for the new contract. You might not be very good at math, but five years does come before six years.

RustShack 09-23-2011 12:13 PM
The Big12 is also going to reach out to aTm about returning to this more stable conference before adding other schools, but aTm is expected to say no thanks.

RustShack 09-23-2011 12:18 PM
johnehoover John E. Hoover by GSwaim



Our source says Boren wanted either BYU, TCU or Air Force added to Big 12 to get 10, or all 3 for 12. That doesn't change. #Sooners

patteeu 09-23-2011 12:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosbonian (Post 7935132)
I know you put me on ignore, but I'm answering this to the general populace, mostly because you are making assumptions that aren't necessarily true.

The Big 12 contracts are low because they need to be renegotiated and will be when they expire. But yours, and others, assumptions that they will surpass the PAC 12, SEC or Big 10 is at best, childlike.

Why would anyone pay exhorbitant money for a conference that has shown horrid instability, is weighted HEAVILY towards 2 teams at best, and has not shown it's drawing power outside the midwest?

And, you are assuming that Texas and OU will even stay around for the new contract. They aren't going to agree to lock themselves in to a contract that ties their hands....their egos are too large.

I'm betting that if UT and OU make any concessions to keep the B12 intact they will only be to the extent that they are minor.
I think it's likely that a re-stabilized Big 12 would be able to get the big contract that alnorth envisions because they're still a consistently good football conference and they still have a presence in a lot of pretty good college football markets. I don't see why stability would be a concern as any risk that the conference could implode could easily be anticipated by the contract to protect the networks.

If the conference re-stabilizes like alnorth envisions, UT and OU would have no choice but to stick around. Is UT going to leave the conference if the Big 12 still controls their Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights? What conference would accept them without those rights?

kstater 09-23-2011 12:27 PM
ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
MT @ChrisLevel: Tech's Guy Bailey tells @AaronDickens and I that MU Chancellor Deaton told him MU doesn't have SEC offer, will stay in B12.
42 minutes ago

eazyb81 09-23-2011 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 7935102)
I wouldn't, even if the SEC held a press conference to announce they are ready to accept. That is not to say Mizzou shouldn't play poker, if they have some cards to play to make sure Tier 1/2 is shared, force the Big 12 to put up rules on showing tier 3 conference games and make sure the LHN doesn't show high school, then by all means, play those cards. More power to MU if they can get those reforms.

However, if we all get that, then there's not much of a reason, other than emotion, to leave the conference for the SEC. The Big 12 TV contracts are temporarily low and will be comparable to everyone else in a few years. Tier 3 money isn't enough to complain about and the SEC also does not share Tier 3 money anyway, so you gain nothing there. "stability" is an artificial fake complaint since you can force stability if everyone really wants it, and once we get a new contract in 2015 there wont be any financial reason to leave anyway.

All you really get is long pain-in-the-ass road trips, and a smaller chance of ever making it into a BCS bowl. Its a somewhat more realistic option for Texas schools due to geography and culture.
I normally like your posts, but your takes are pretty terrible on this situation.

No one with a functioning brain would turn down an offer from SEC - or B1G or PAC for that matter if the geography made sense - to stay in this zombie conference. UT has pushed the envelope since they came in, and the leadership has not been in place to prevent it.

Your entire premise is based on ifs and maybes. If UT gives into demands. If LHN is modified. If the new first tier contract is awesome.

When you have schools like Nebraska, Colorado, and now Texas A&M leave in one year, it should be obvious that something is rotten in Denmark.

Pitt Gorilla 09-23-2011 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 7935146)
You realize they have already agreed to this six year deal.. right?
Who? MU has not signed off on a six year deal.

Garcia Bronco 09-23-2011 12:38 PM
Big 12 needs to get to 12 teams or no more championship game and a little less revenue.

DJ's left nut 09-23-2011 12:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 7935146)
You realize they have already agreed to this six year deal.. right?
No they haven't.

They've agreed on pushing for a 6 year deal, but Deaton said last night that absolutely nothing has been signed.

Boren made vague allusions to it in his presser (which was absolutely reeruned, BTW), but that's all been clarified this morning.

Anyone that is willing to talk thus far has said only that they have a philosophical agreement to move forward towards a 6 year deal but they have 'agreed' to absolutely nothing at this point.

Mosbonian 09-23-2011 12:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 7935151)
Meaning Oklahoma and Texas are staying around for the new contract. You might not be very good at math, but five years does come before six years.
Actually I've very good at math (Accounting/Credit person here)...but even better at understanding just how little contracts mean these days which seems to escape you. If you think that OU and UT won't find a way out of that contract they've agreed to then you are being a pollyanna.

I'm still waiting for you to answer the first question about why you think that the contract will be for more than the PAC 12? I see you've managed to dodge that one.

RustShack 09-23-2011 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 7935207)
Who? MU has not signed off on a six year deal.
OU and OSU have because they are the only two schools who don't have to vote and the Presidents can just make that decision. The other schools have agreed in principle they just have to vote to finalize it. It will happen whether you tards want it to or not. But if Mizzou has a problem with it they can just go independent I guess, since they don't have an offer from the B1G or SEC like you idiots want to think.

Mosbonian 09-23-2011 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kstater (Post 7935184)
ChuckCarltonDMN Chuck Carlton
MT @ChrisLevel: Tech's Guy Bailey tells @AaronDickens and I that MU Chancellor Deaton told him MU doesn't have SEC offer, will stay in B12.
42 minutes ago
Interesting that they didn't mention it in last nights press conference.

DJ's left nut 09-23-2011 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 7935194)
I normally like your posts, but your takes are pretty terrible on this situation.

No one with a functioning brain would turn down an offer from SEC - or B1G or PAC for that matter if the geography made sense - to stay in this zombie conference. UT has pushed the envelope since they came in, and the leadership has not been in place to prevent it.

Your entire premise is based on ifs and maybes. If UT gives into demands. If LHN is modified. If the new first tier contract is awesome.

When you have schools like Nebraska, Colorado, and now Texas A&M leave in one year, it should be obvious that something is rotten in Denmark.
He's been clutching to the XII thing the whole time.

I have no idea what his college affiliation is, but it's becoming apparent to me that he's attached to one of the KS schools and is afraid that they'll end up with no life raft. As a consequence, he's thinking with his heart and arguing in support of that position.


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