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kstater 10-21-2011 06:51 PM
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Mr. Plow 10-21-2011 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8031462)
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lol. Ouch.


"You have to win your conference championship before you can leave." lol

Bowser 10-21-2011 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8031462)
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Doomed.

track 10-21-2011 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8031433)
Well, so be it.

But Mizzou's not leaving because they're pissed off at KU, KSU, ISU, etc. Texas and OU (and company) were ready to PACk up and leave us all swinging in the wind, until the Pac 10 said "no" to the LHN.

Now we have these 6 year "handcuffs", that they aren't willing to extend to 13... Why? Probably because they figure they might want to bail by then. (Or before, considering those schools can afford to eat the loss.)

Mizzou has a fantastic opportunity here. It really isn't personal. It's common sense.
You want out of the Big 12...that's MU's right....but don't expect anyone associated with the Big 12 to see it any other way than as a divorce.

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8031348)
Who's going to bitch and moan? Honestly, I live right in the middle of KU territory and nobody's even thinking about it, let alone talking about it. Your school is directing this conversation to Kansas City, because KC stands to lose a lot of money in this deal.
Uh, no. KC media is. And there are a lot of Mizzou fans who live in and love KC. (seemingly contrary to popular belief... I'm sick to death of hearing how this is a KU town.)

Mizzou is trying to address the issue, and support KC on the way out.

Brock 10-21-2011 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8031592)
Uh, no. KC media is. And there are a lot of Mizzou fans who live in and love KC. (seemingly contrary to popular belief... I'm sick to death of hearing how this is a KU town.)

Mizzou is trying to address the issue, and support for KC on the way out.
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“The board wants to make clear how highly we value the tradition here in Kansas City,” said Warren Erdman, chairman of Missouri’s Board of Curators. “Should we depart the Big 12, we want to make it abundantly clear that we’re going to pursue the possibility of the basketball tournament and the football game here in Kansas City.”
No, that ain't the media. That's your guy talking to KC.

Bowser 10-21-2011 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by track (Post 8031562)
You want out of the Big 12...that's MU's right....but don't expect anyone associated with the Big 12 to see it any other way than as a divorce.
The only way to know ultimately if Mizzou is making the right decision is to wait 6 years and see if Texas and company shafts the remaining BigXII. But until then, you can call it whatever you want.

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by track (Post 8031562)
You want out of the Big 12...that's MU's right....but don't expect anyone associated with the Big 12 to see it any other way than as a divorce.
That's fine.

You'd go too though, if you had the chance.

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8031623)
No, that ain't the media. That's your guy talking to KC.
A response to the concern in the KC media about losing the BIG 12 Tourney.

Bowser 10-21-2011 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8031623)
No, that ain't the media. That's your guy talking to KC.
Is he making reference to the Big XII, or whatever other conference MU ends up in?

Brock 10-21-2011 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8031659)
A response to the concern in the KC media about losing the BIG 12 Tourney.
The concern over that is limited to KC media? You think the city isn't wondering about that? The chamber? The KCVA? I guarantee you there is a ton of angst over it.

Brock 10-21-2011 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8031673)
Is he making reference to the Big XII, or whatever other conference MU ends up in?
I'm not sure, but the point of what he's saying is trying to reassure a bunch of people that they'll still make money off Missouri games. (And that if it doesn't happen, it's not Mizzou's fault nobody wants to schedule them.)

UL Washington 10-21-2011 07:22 PM
And Mark May went to Pitt which just bolted for the ACC, interesting.

Priest31kc 10-21-2011 07:24 PM
Everybody hates Mizzou right now. Oh well, **** em.

Bowser 10-21-2011 07:24 PM
I had no idea the University of Missouri was the lynchpin to the ecconomic success or failure of Kansas City, MO.

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8031742)
I'm not sure, but the point of what he's saying is trying to reassure a bunch of people that they'll still make money off Missouri games. (And that if it doesn't happen, it's not Mizzou's fault nobody wants to schedule them.)
If KU had a chance to go to another major conference right now, would you want them to go?

Brock 10-21-2011 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8031828)
If KU had a chance to go to another major conference right now, would you want them to go?
Has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I don't care if Missouri leaves, the conference has been a zombie for a while now. It became pretty meaningless to me when Nebraska and Colorado left.

Brock 10-21-2011 07:39 PM
I shouldn't say I don't care if Missouri leaves, I do care. But I am resigned to it, the old Big 8 is dead and a major reason I followed college sports at all is sort of gone with it.

Bowser 10-21-2011 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8031931)
I shouldn't say I don't care if Missouri leaves, I do care. But I am resigned to it, the old Big 8 is dead and a major reason I followed college sports at all is sort of gone with it.
In your opinion, who or what is to blame for that? And I mean specifically - "greed" isn't an acceptable answer. For me, I'm placing the blame squarely at the feet of Dan Beebe. His lack of spine destroyed the Big 8/XII, imo.

dirk digler 10-21-2011 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8031281)
If they are willing to play KU, and are not making any ludicrous demands, then I don't see what fault you can hang Mizzou with. If KU wants to refuse and lose money on the deal, then they can live with that. Considering the state of the KU football program, they need a profitable game at Arrowhead with Mizzou much more than Mizzou does.
Yep. If KU doesn't want the $1.25 million dollars or so to play MU then MU can move the Florida or Alabama game to Arrowhead and have SEC football right in the backyard of Big 12 country. I wonder how that will taste in Jayhawk land.

Frazod 10-21-2011 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by UL Washington (Post 8031807)
And Mark May went to Pitt which just bolted for the ACC, interesting.
About the only good thing I can say about May is that he's marginally smarter than that idiot **** Holtz.

At this point it's ridiculous for anyone to think that Missouri doesn't have some sort of deal in place, and is merely whoring itself out to other conferences.

Bowser 10-21-2011 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 8032000)
It's funny how people want to make Mizzou out to be the bad guy in all of this and that they will somehow be responsible for KC losing the Big 12 tournament and possibly some Big 12 championship games if the conference ever gets back to 12 teams again.

Before the SWC reject schools from Texas joined the conference, KC had the Big 8 tournament every year and was also home to the conference headquarters. As soon as the Texas schools joined, Tom Penders started bitching about how unfair it was that they had to travel all the way up there for the tournament even though the Big 8 is the one that allowed them to join the conference. Within a few years of the Texas schools bitching, the Big 12 tournament was only played in KC every few years and conference headquarters were moved to Dallas. The funnny thing is that even though the tournament has been rotated to different locations, none of the 4 Texas schools have managed to win the tournament yet and hopefully never will. If Mizzou does leave, it's really just a big F**k you to Texas. Texas has been sticking it to the old Big 8 schools the last 15 years and are the ones responsible for screwing over KC.
What the hell are you thinking bringing this level headedness to this thread?

Brock 10-21-2011 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8031950)
In your opinion, who or what is to blame for that? And I mean specifically - "greed" isn't an acceptable answer. For me, I'm placing the blame squarely at the feet of Dan Beebe. His lack of spine destroyed the Big 8/XII, imo.
Obviously the roots of it all are when we said yes to Texas. But on the other hand, I also think that most of the teams of the North came out ahead in terms of recruiting, making their teams better, and making their teams more high profile as a result of being in the same conference as all those Texas schools. I don't know that there is a lot Beebe could have done, but that's JMO.

Bowser 10-21-2011 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 8032007)

At this point it's ridiculous for anyone to think that Missouri doesn't have some sort of deal in place, and is merely whoring itself out to other conferences.
And I have a problem with that. If you've got a deal, jump on it. Quit flirting with the ****ing B1G, and go play football on CBS on Saturdays.

Brock 10-21-2011 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8031979)
Yep. If KU doesn't want the $1.25 million dollars or so to play MU then MU can move the Florida or Alabama game to Arrowhead and have SEC football right in the backyard of Big 12 country. I wonder how that will taste in Jayhawk land.
It would be fantastic. I would go to that game.

Saul Good 10-21-2011 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by track (Post 8031322)
Disagree....MU leaves the conference then they are clearly saying they don't support the Big 12 and the teams in the Big 12...in essence they are seeking a divorce from the Big 12 schools. I can't imagine any big 12 team that would schedule MU under those circumstances nor can I envision any fans of schools in the Big 12 wanting to have anything to do with MU or A and M.
Why play non-conference games at all, then? Kansas has 3 or 4 games to schedule each year. This year, Kansas scheduled Georgia Tech, Northern Illinois, and McNeese State.

I defy you to make a single argument as to why any one of those teams makes more sense for KU to play than Mizzou. It's certainly not like Missouri needs that game in order to generate interest in the football team. Outside of the Mizzou game at Arrowhead, there is not one compelling game on their schedule with the possible exception of KSU.

Your home schedule next year looks something like:

McNeese State
Northern Illinois
Oklahoma State
Texas
Iowa State
Louisville

Now THAT is a compelling reason to buy season tickets. Not even Bob Davis can get excited about that.

Saul Good 10-21-2011 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8031979)
Yep. If KU doesn't want the $1.25 million dollars or so to play MU then MU can move the Florida or Alabama game to Arrowhead and have SEC football right in the backyard of Big 12 country. I wonder how that will taste in Jayhawk land.
That would be amazing, but the reason it works for KU/MU is the fact that both games give up their home games to play it. MU could play Alabama at Arrowhead instead of Faurot, but they're still playing in Tuscaloosa every other year.

dirk digler 10-21-2011 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 8032062)
It would be fantastic. I would go to that game.
As I would. But apparently KU doesn't need that million dollars for their football program.

kstater 10-21-2011 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8032127)
As I would. But apparently KU doesn't need that million dollars for their football program.
Even at only 35k tickets sold at 40 bucks brings in over 1.4 million if the kept their non conference games at home.

Saul Good 10-21-2011 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8032158)
Even at only 35k tickets sold at 40 bucks brings in over 1.4 million if the kept their non conference games at home.
As long as expenses are $0, that's a good deal for KU.

dirk digler 10-21-2011 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8032119)
That would be amazing, but the reason it works for KU/MU is the fact that both games give up their home games to play it. MU could play Alabama at Arrowhead instead of Faurot, but they're still playing in Tuscaloosa every other year.
I realize that but if KU\K-St\Iowa St decide not to play us then I think that is what MU should do. It would be a huge money maker and probably would partially make up for the lack of the Big 12 tournament.

WilliamTheIrish 10-21-2011 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8031979)
Yep. If KU doesn't want the $1.25 million dollars or so to play MU then MU can move the Florida or Alabama game to Arrowhead and have SEC football right in the backyard of Big 12 country. I wonder how that will taste in Jayhawk land.
I'll take 10 tickets please!

Al Bundy 10-21-2011 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 8031462)
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Took Holtz to smack the former Forskin back down to size.

WilliamTheIrish 10-21-2011 08:10 PM
I think we have the answer to MU leaving. Now it's time to determine who will replace them

Saul Good 10-21-2011 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 8032308)
I think we have the answer to MU leaving. Now it's time to determine who will replace them
Louisville will be announced on Thursday is my semi-educated guess.

Bowser 10-21-2011 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish (Post 8032308)
I think we have the answer to MU leaving. Now it's time to determine who will replace them
Missouri State. It will be like MU never left. [/Keitzman]

Bowser 10-21-2011 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8032415)
Louisville will be announced on Thursday is my semi-educated guess.
Memphis shortly thereafter, maybe followed by Cincinati?

mnchiefsguy 10-21-2011 08:27 PM
Whomever they get to replace Mizzou is going to have to be available to play in the league next year, or the Fox Tier 2 TV deal will fall apart. It requires the league to be at ten teams. BYU is the best immediate option, unless they can get Louisville out of the Big East without the 27 month penalty.

baitism 10-21-2011 08:41 PM
Mormons and Christians living together!

Mr. Plow 10-21-2011 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8031979)
Yep. If KU doesn't want the $1.25 million dollars or so to play MU then MU can move the Florida or Alabama game to Arrowhead and have SEC football right in the backyard of Big 12 country. I wonder how that will taste in Jayhawk land.

Won't happen.

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 8032043)
And I have a problem with that. If you've got a deal, jump on it. Quit flirting with the ****ing B1G, and go play football on CBS on Saturdays.
Mizzou's not flirting with anyone. I highly doubt the Big 10 is a factor in this. Mizzou is going to the SEC.

They're just taking their time and doing it properly. (following the advice of the lawyers... and A&M's exit strategy)

dirk digler 10-21-2011 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 8032693)
Won't happen.
why not?

Saul Good 10-21-2011 08:52 PM
Syracuse is beating West Virginia's asses.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8032487)
Whomever they get to replace Mizzou is going to have to be available to play in the league next year, or the Fox Tier 2 TV deal will fall apart. It requires the league to be at ten teams. BYU is the best immediate option, unless they can get Louisville out of the Big East without the 27 month penalty.
Not necessarily. If the TV people are convinced the conference will be expanding and that the product is worth it, they won't void the deal. In fact, if the conference goes back to 12 teams, they would be getting a bargain. TV CAN void the deal if the membership falls below 10, it doesn't mean it automatically does.

Add to that, if the Big XII does pick up three Big East schools, TCU which was going to be in the Big East, and then the two that went to the ACC, there wouldn't technically be a football conference to speak of and the 27 month rule may not even matter.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 8032790)
why not?
I agree it "probably" won't happen. Why would Mizzou take money out of Columbia and take one of their conference home games off their schedule? Of course, its Mizzou, so they might make that move.

Saul Good 10-21-2011 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8032870)
Not necessarily. If the TV people are convinced the conference will be expanding and that the product is worth it, they won't void the deal. In fact, if the conference goes back to 12 teams, they would be getting a bargain. TV CAN void the deal if the membership falls below 10, it doesn't mean it automatically does.

Add to that, if the Big XII does pick up three Big East schools, TCU which was going to be in the Big East, and then the two that went to the ACC, there wouldn't technically be a football conference to speak of and the 27 month rule may not even matter.
I agree. The 27 month thing doesn't seem likely to hold up. It needs to be dealt with, but I don't see it being insurmountable. That said, its going to be hard for the Big XII to try to collect exit fees from Mizzou while replacing them with teams that have 27 month notice requirements.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8032947)
I agree. The 27 month thing doesn't seem likely to hold up. It needs to be dealt with, but I don't see it being insurmountable. That said, its going to be hard for the Big XII to try to collect exit fees from Mizzou while replacing them with teams that have 27 month notice requirements.
I have no idea on what the "difficulty" meter is for lawyers and it really concerns me little. I don't imagine it will be "easy" on either side.

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8032896)
I agree it "probably" won't happen. Why would Mizzou take money out of Columbia and take one of their conference home games off their schedule? Of course, its Mizzou, so they might make that move.
Haha!!! Stupid Mizzou.

I agree that probably wont happen.

But I also figure they're smart enough to know it's time to GTFO.

dirk digler 10-21-2011 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8032896)
I agree it "probably" won't happen. Why would Mizzou take money out of Columbia and take one of their conference home games off their schedule? Of course, its Mizzou, so they might make that move.
They do that already with the KU game and I wouldn't suggest doing every year but the first year...definitely.

Florida vs MU at Arrowhead...that would be awesome

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:04 PM
I tell you what, though, if KC offered to pay KU double whatever it was going to give Mizzou to play that game in Arrowhead, then I would do it. None of this equal split stuff, though.

Pitt Gorilla 10-21-2011 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ferrarispider95 (Post 8029423)
What ku or ksu fan that wouldn't trade mizzou for louisville in a heartbeat? Yeah it will add a bit more footprint, but a better college, better facilities, and better town.

Honestly it we can drop Mizzou, get back to 12 with BYU, Louisville, and WVU we will be stronger than at 10 with Mizzou.
This is an interesting point; if the league will actually be stronger without Mizzou, why are so many people butthurt over them leaving? It would seem they should be congratulating us on the way out.

Saul Good 10-21-2011 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033055)
I tell you what, though, if KC offered to pay KU double whatever it was going to give Mizzou to play that game in Arrowhead, then I would do it. None of this equal split stuff, though.
Mizzou would go for that. After all, we need a big name on our schedule to supplement the no-names in the SEC.

Saul Good 10-21-2011 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 8033108)
This is an interesting point; if the league will actually be stronger without Mizzou, why are so many people butthurt over them leaving? It would seem they should be congratulating us on the way out.
Absolutely. Louisville is a beautiful city. Their academics are stellar. Their football program is strong. They really deliver the huge state of Kentucky because they are the most popular university in the state. The Big XII would be upgrading.

mnchiefsguy 10-21-2011 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 8033152)
Mizzou would go for that. After all, we need a big name on our schedule to supplement the no-names in the SEC.
I could see Mizzou going for that, if only that they know KU will be an ass about it and refuse it, thus absolving MU of any blame whatsoever. No one in their right mind would not blame KU for the rivalry ending if KU turned down a double payday to play MU at Arrowhead.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 8033108)
This is an interesting point; if the league will actually be stronger without Mizzou, why are so many people butthurt over them leaving? It would seem they should be congratulating us on the way out.
I think you are over simplifying what we're upset about. We're upset that (a) you think so little of the common regional rivalries that you are willing to toss them aside and (b) the impact it has on KC. Its not that we will miss Missouri, its the periphery implications of Missouri leaving. I've been on record saying that I think the conference is stronger with Missouri in it. But, if they don't want to be here, it isn't like its some death blow to the conference. WVU would be an equivalent to Mizzou except for proximity. There's just no way to get around the proximity issue or the importance it gives KC.

Basketball becomes much better in the conference, undoubtedly. It just sucks that KC won't get to host it.

Saul Good 10-21-2011 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8033230)
I could see Mizzou going for that, if only that they know KU will be an ass about it and refuse it, thus absolving MU of any blame whatsoever. No one in their right mind would not blame KU for the rivalry ending if KU turned down a double payday to play MU at Arrowhead.
There is zero chance that Mizzou takes a 1\3 share when its a favor to KU that we even play them.

Trevo_410 10-21-2011 09:15 PM
WVU football is such a great program, They just had a really bad day. If they joined the best conference next year they could easily win against kentucky and vanderbilt for a 2-10 season. Missouri football program is pathetic and the sec would be dumb to pick them over wvu. Who says mizzou's fanbase is bigger than ours? We have some fans in Pittsburgh, DC, and even New York. Not to mention, Missouri already said they'd rather join the big10 over the sec. Anyway, we'll continue playing in our depleted but competitive conference for the rest of the year and maybe end up 1st place. When was the last time mizzou could say they participated in a bcs bowl game?

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 09:16 PM
You have to admit, for a school just looking for attention... we've done a pretty good job.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 8033272)
They could just put North Dakota St back on the schedule to give you more wins.
It isn't like we don't need them. Look, I really want KU to get their football program on track. But, do you really think football smack really gets in the way of the obtuse nature of our basketball pride?

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8033321)
You have to admit, for a school just looking for attention... we've done a pretty good job.
Sure, in the midwest. I got back from the DC area today, and nobody there cares.

Pitt Gorilla 10-21-2011 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033257)
I think you are over simplifying what we're upset about. We're upset that (a) you think so little of the common regional rivalries that you are willing to toss them aside and (b) the impact it has on KC. Its not that we will miss Missouri, its the periphery implications of Missouri leaving. I've been on record saying that I think the conference is stronger with Missouri in it. But, if they don't want to be here, it isn't like its some death blow to the conference. WVU would be an equivalent to Mizzou except for proximity. There's just no way to get around the proximity issue or the importance it gives KC.

Basketball becomes much better in the conference, undoubtedly. It just sucks that KC won't get to host it.
Missouri CLEARLY doesn't want to toss aside the rivalry with KU; I'm not sure they could have been clearer about that point. The conference certainly doesn't make the rivalry.

The impact on KC could be minimal as well. Right now, I'm not sure how anyone would know.

KcMizzou 10-21-2011 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033358)
Sure, in the midwest. I got back from the DC area today, and nobody there cares.
Were all the girls dancing to Jay Sean?

mnchiefsguy 10-21-2011 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033257)
I think you are over simplifying what we're upset about. We're upset that (a) you think so little of the common regional rivalries that you are willing to toss them aside and (b) the impact it has on KC. Its not that we will miss Missouri, its the periphery implications of Missouri leaving. I've been on record saying that I think the conference is stronger with Missouri in it. But, if they don't want to be here, it isn't like its some death blow to the conference. WVU would be an equivalent to Mizzou except for proximity. There's just no way to get around the proximity issue or the importance it gives KC.

Basketball becomes much better in the conference, undoubtedly. It just sucks that KC won't get to host it.
You can't have it both ways. If KC is such a KU town, then Mizzou leaving should not negatively impact KC at all, as KU should step up to the plate and use its big basketball weight to keep the tourney here. So, either MU and KU are on more equal footing in the KC metro than you are willing to admit, or Mizzou leaving should not really impact anything at all. Which is it?

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 8033370)
Missouri CLEARLY doesn't want to toss aside the rivalry with KU; I'm not sure they could have been clearer about that point. The conference certainly doesn't make the rivalry.

The impact on KC could be minimal as well. Right now, I'm not sure how anyone would know.
How can you say that? For the greatest majority of its existence, it has been a conference game. Most of the truly outstanding rivalries are conference games. Even the OU-Texas rivalry skyrocketed in animosity once it became a conference game.

Like I said, the game, if at Arrowhead, would always be in Missouri. That means the monetary benefits derivative thereof, would also largely go to Missouri. So, if KC really wants to see that game continue even as a non conference affair, it should pay KU more to even out the revenue streams. I mean, if MU is that clear about it, they shouldn't care KU gets paid more for it if that's what it tales to continue it.

Bowser 10-21-2011 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8033423)
Were all the girls dancing to Jay Sean?
LMAO

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8033435)
You can't have it both ways. If KC is such a KU town, then Mizzou leaving should not negatively impact KC at all, as KU should step up to the plate and use its big basketball weight to keep the tourney here. So, either MU and KU are on more equal footing in the KC metro than you are willing to admit, or Mizzou leaving should not really impact anything at all. Which is it?
OK, first of all, I never argued this "KU town" thing, so don't place that in my mouth. Second of all, it isn't about whether or not there are enough KU fans to make the tournament successful (they're absolutely are). The matter is putting conference dollars in a non conference state. That's just bad business, no other conference does that. KC would have to make some enticing offer above the ability to sell the tournament out and its just sad Mizzou has put their own city in that position.

mnchiefsguy 10-21-2011 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033479)
How can you say that? For the greatest majority of its existence, it has been a conference game. Most of the truly outstanding rivalries are conference games. Even the OU-Texas rivalry skyrocketed in animosity once it became a conference game.

Like I said, the game, if at Arrowhead, would always be in Missouri. That means the monetary benefits derivative thereof, would also largely go to Missouri. So, if KC really wants to see that game continue even as a non conference affair, it should pay KU more to even out the revenue streams. I mean, if MU is that clear about it, they shouldn't care KU gets paid more for it if that's what it tales to continue it.
The bolded part is not true if you are referring to Mizzou. You could argue that it would be true to the state of Missouri itself, but Mizzou would see no more benefit than KU money wise in terms of payout. KU would actual benefit more, since more Mizzou fans buy tickets to Arrowhead anyway...so a 50-50 split of revenue would favor KU since they are filling less than 40% of the seats.

HemiEd 10-21-2011 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 8033108)
This is an interesting point; if the league will actually be stronger without Mizzou, why are so many people butthurt over them leaving? It would seem they should be congratulating us on the way out.
Maybe I am mis-reading it, but I don't see anyone butt hurt anymore. I think most of us just want them gone, and lets move on.

I am starting to think Mizzou is enjoying more publicity than the teams have gotten them in quite some time, so they are milking it.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8033554)
The bolded part is not true if you are referring to Mizzou. You could argue that it would be true to the state of Missouri itself, but Mizzou would see no more benefit than KU money wise in terms of payout. KU would actual benefit more, since more Mizzou fans buy tickets to Arrowhead anyway...so a 50-50 split of revenue would favor KU since they are filling less than 40% of the seats.
Of course, the whole argument is why would KU continuously put money into a non Big XII state? Its Missouri's market. We're not talking about having this game on each other's campus, right? We're talking about KC, MO and Arrowhead. Mizzou is the STATE school of Missouri.

Brianfo 10-21-2011 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8033321)
You have to admit, for a school just looking for attention... we've done a pretty good job.
Quote of the year. Shit or get off the pot. That's all anyone is saying.

mnchiefsguy 10-21-2011 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033545)
OK, first of all, I never argued this "KU town" thing, so don't place that in my mouth. Second of all, it isn't about whether or not there are enough KU fans to make the tournament successful (they're absolutely are). The matter is putting conference dollars in a non conference state. That's just bad business, no other conference does that. KC would have to make some enticing offer above the ability to sell the tournament out and its just sad Mizzou has put their own city in that position.
They are costing Kansas money too. Lots of people stay and do things on the Kansas side of the line while the Big XII tourney is in town.

The BIG XII contract with Sprint runs through 2014. If the tourney continues to outperform OKC and Dallas without Mizzou when that contract expires...I can see the Big XII keeping KC in its tournament rotation. If the tourney crashes and burns without Mizzou in it, then it should leave town anyway.

The ACC holds its basketball tourney in Atlanta sometimes. Georgia Tech is an ACC member, but they are far and away the red headed stepchild in that state. Georgia and the SEC dominate that landscape, but Atlanta does the basketball tourney well and stays in their rotation.

At the end of the day it is about buts in the seats. If KC continues to put more buts in the seats than OKC or Dallas, which it consistently has, then I think KC will be able to keep its place in the tourney rotation. Will KC have to work harder than those cities? Yes, because they will have to keep their attendance up and ahead of those cities to keep their spot, but it is doable.

Pitt Gorilla 10-21-2011 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033479)
How can you say that? For the greatest majority of its existence, it has been a conference game. Most of the truly outstanding rivalries are conference games. Even the OU-Texas rivalry skyrocketed in animosity once it became a conference game.

Like I said, the game, if at Arrowhead, would always be in Missouri. That means the monetary benefits derivative thereof, would also largely go to Missouri. So, if KC really wants to see that game continue even as a non conference affair, it should pay KU more to even out the revenue streams. I mean, if MU is that clear about it, they shouldn't care KU gets paid more for it if that's what it tales to continue it.
Yeah, Nebraska/OU really sucked prior to them joining the same conference. Florida/FSU, Iowa/ISU, Notre Dame/Michigan, Clemson/South Carolina, Army/Navy, etc. all stink as rivalries as well.

mnchiefsguy 10-21-2011 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033607)
Of course, the whole argument is why would KU continuously put money into a non Big XII state? Its Missouri's market. We're not talking about having this game on each other's campus, right? We're talking about KC, MO and Arrowhead. Mizzou is the STATE school of Missouri.
Because KU does not want to cede the KC market to Mizzou. Because if KU can show demographically that it is at least an equal to Mizzou in the metro area, the Big XII can claim some of the TV sets in the KC market when it negotiates TV deals. Georgia Tech trails Georgia in the whole state of Georgia, but I guarantee the ACC claims the Atlanta market when they present their demographics to the networks.

You are the only one who claims KC is an exclusive MU market. Even the MU fans on here acknowledge that KU is strong in the metro area. Folks are letting a line on a map color their logic when viewing this.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8033554)
The bolded part is not true if you are referring to Mizzou. You could argue that it would be true to the state of Missouri itself, but Mizzou would see no more benefit than KU money wise in terms of payout. KU would actual benefit more, since more Mizzou fans buy tickets to Arrowhead anyway...so a 50-50 split of revenue would favor KU since they are filling less than 40% of the seats.
According to the KC pleading, the Border War generates 14 million dollars for the KC area. Taxes from those revenues are collected by the state of Missouri which in turn, helps fund the University of Missouri. Guess where those revenue don't partially return? That's right, to KU. So, like I said, if KC wants to pony up to keep that 14 million revenue stream going, it needs to pay the Jayhawks more to do so.

Al Bundy 10-21-2011 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033751)
According to the KC pleading, the Border War generates 14 million dollars for the KC area. Taxes from those revenues are collected by the state of Missouri which in turn, helps fund the University of Missouri. Guess where those revenue don't partially return? That's right, to KU. So, like I said, if KC wants to pony up to keep that 14 million revenue stream going, it needs to pay the Jayhawks more to do so.
That will hurt the Overland Park side of the State line as well. But I do hope that Jayhawk fans enjoy giving all of their money to the states of Texas and Oklahoma. That is where everything is headed.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 8033733)
Because KU does not want to cede the KC market to Mizzou. Because if KU can show demographically that it is at least an equal to Mizzou in the metro area, the Big XII can claim some of the TV sets in the KC market when it negotiates TV deals. Georgia Tech trails Georgia in the whole state of Georgia, but I guarantee the ACC claims the Atlanta market when they present their demographics to the networks.

You are the only one who claims KC is an exclusive MU market. Even the MU fans on here acknowledge that KU is strong in the metro area. Folks are letting a line on a map color their logic when viewing this.
Are you kidding? Look, KU generates most of its revenue and fame from basketball. KU fans are going to watch KU basketball whether its played in KC or not. We don't have to prove that, we already know it. Tech is an Atlanta based school within the larger state of GA. That's not the dynamic at play here.

And quit twisting my words around, I never said "KC is an exclusive MU market". I said KC, MO is threatening to become a non Big XII state. It doesn't mean they're aren't KU fans on the Missouri side or MU fans on the Kansas side. It simply means revenues generated in the state of Missouri don't flow back into Kansas. If the Sprint Center was in Johnson County, I would be all for the Tournament continuing there. I think you are intentionally making things up at this point.

HolyHandgernade 10-21-2011 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by UCF Knight (Post 8033799)
That will hurt the Overland Park side of the State line as well. But I do hope that Jayhawk fans enjoy giving all of their money to the states of Texas and Oklahoma. That is where everything is headed.
It will have a minimal impact, mostly not being able to attend the game in person. Are you trying to tell me that people in Overland Park who went to establishments in Overland Park to watch the tournament will no longer do so if it is broadcast from OKC? Come on.

track 10-21-2011 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by KcMizzou (Post 8031633)
That's fine.

You'd go too though, if you had the chance.
I love the Big 12.... There is no other conference I would rather be in...NONE.

mnchiefsguy 10-21-2011 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HolyHandgernade (Post 8033854)
It will have a minimal impact, mostly not being able to attend the game in person. Are you trying to tell me that people in Overland Park who went to establishments in Overland Park to watch the tournament will no longer do so if it is broadcast from OKC? Come on.
So if the impact is so minimal, why should it matter where the tourney is held?

Most of the revenues you are siting are local KC revenues...generated by sales tax. That money is not going anywhere towards Mizzou and you know that. Is there a state sales tax for Mizzou that no one knows about?

dirk digler 10-21-2011 09:55 PM
Interesting story about the contract that KU-MU signed to extend the border showdown at Arrowhead.
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The four-year extension that was signed in 2008 included a reworked contract. Missouri and Kansas no longer receive a guaranteed payout to protect the schools if the game bombs at the box office. The two sides now split all revenue after the Chiefs and Arrowhead take about $350,000 for expenses.


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