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TimBone 04-22-2016 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ZootedGranny (Post 12191896)
Ben Henderson getting absolutely handled by Koreshkov in Bellator.

Yep. I knew he was in trouble as soon as I saw the size differential and reach advantage. He was the favorite in this fight based solely on name recognition.

jd1020 04-22-2016 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12191932)
Why is it so difficult for him.

Going up two classes?

TimBone 04-22-2016 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12191945)
Going up two classes?

This was his decision...he asked for the rematch, IIRC.

jd1020 04-22-2016 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12191952)
This was his decision...he asked for the rematch, IIRC.

I'm not sure if he asked for it or not, but what does that have to do with it?

TimBone 04-22-2016 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12191954)
I'm not sure if he asked for it or not, but what does that have to do with it?

Because he knew how it works when he agreed to the fight.

If he didn't think he could find the time to properly train for a fight of this kind while also meeting his media obligations, then he shouldn't have agreed to it.

He's not the first fighter to move up weight classes for a fight.

jd1020 04-22-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12191956)
Because he knew how it works when he agreed to the fight.

If he didn't think he could find the time to properly train for a fight of this kind while also meeting his media obligations, then he shouldn't have agreed to it.

He's not the first fighter to move up weight classes for a fight.

You asked why it was more difficult. He's training to fight with 25 more lbs to carry around. That's clearly more difficult than your typical training.

Regardless, its a stupid rematch to begin with and I can't believe the UFC was thinking about delaying a featherweight title fight for a fight that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. That's pretty disrespectful to guys like Edgar who don't have anything on the table and now he's going to fight Aldo for an interim belt when the champ isn't even injured.

TimBone 04-22-2016 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 12191966)
You asked why it was more difficult. He's training to fight with 25 more lbs to carry around. That's clearly more difficult than your typical training.

Regardless, its a stupid rematch to begin with and I can't believe the UFC was thinking about delaying a featherweight title fight for a fight that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. That's pretty disrespectful to guys like Edgar who don't have anything on the table and now he's going to fight Aldo for an interim belt when the champ isn't even injured.

I completely agree with your second paragraph. Completely.

As for your first, like I said, he knew the deal going in....and let's not act like he's the first fighter to ever move up weight classes. If he didn't think he could do it AND meet his media obligations (which were obviously going to be ramped up even more for a card like 200), then he shouldn't have signed the fight contract. That's just the way the game is played.

SAUTO 04-23-2016 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12191932)
Somewhat, I guess. But he has to realize that if he wants to be great, this is part of it.

All of the greats found time to train AND promote.

Why is it so difficult for him.

Sounds like he was willing to promote, he just didn't want a three city drawn out ordeal. He told then he would chief to nyc for the big presser

SAUTO 04-23-2016 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12191969)
I completely agree with your second paragraph. Completely.

As for your first, like I said, he knew the deal going in....and let's not act like he's the first fighter to ever move up weight classes. If he didn't think he could do it AND meet his media obligations (which were obviously going to be ramped up even more for a card like 200), then he shouldn't have signed the fight contract. That's just the way the game is played.

he insisted on the rematch being st the same weight.

alnorth 04-23-2016 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12192169)
Sounds like he was willing to promote, he just didn't want a three city drawn out ordeal. He told then he would chief to nyc for the big presser

Sounds like a pretty lame excuse. Its just a few days on a private jet with the fight 3 months away, and if he's already willing to fly to NY and back from iceland, thats a chunk of the travel right there.

alnorth 04-23-2016 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ZootedGranny (Post 12191896)
He ate some heavy shots and kept coming, but was a weight class too small and couldn't do much of anything. He should go back to 155.

and I assume the Russian was juiced to the tits, too. Bellator's testing is more of an intelligence test than a drug test.

Regardless though, this isn't his weight class, and he was always going to have problems at WW

SAUTO 04-23-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12192276)
Sounds like a pretty lame excuse. Its just a few days on a private jet with the fight 3 months away, and if he's already willing to fly to NY and back from iceland, thats a chunk of the travel right there.

Like I've said this is all about egos. Both could compromise

Pants 04-23-2016 11:09 AM

Great discussion by Joe Rogan and Big Brown on the subject. Well worth the 26 minutes of your life if you're a UFC fan:

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ChiliConCarnage 04-23-2016 07:37 PM

That Steele vs Roberts prelim was interesting. Thought Steele was robbed but he also looked 35 pounds heavier easily

IA_Chiefs_fan 04-23-2016 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage (Post 12192736)
That Steele vs Roberts prelim was interesting. Thought Steele was robbed but he also looked 35 pounds heavier easily

It was about a 50/50 split in the arena.

jd1020 04-23-2016 09:39 PM

When Pettis regains the feeling in his left leg tomorrow that's gonna hurt.

ArrowheadHawk 04-23-2016 09:41 PM

It's about to get good.

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New World Order 04-23-2016 09:44 PM

This is the first Mighty Mouse fight I have been interested in.

IA_Chiefs_fan 04-23-2016 09:45 PM

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Pic from my seat

GloryDayz 04-23-2016 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage (Post 12192736)
That Steele vs Roberts prelim was interesting. Thought Steele was robbed but he also looked 35 pounds heavier easily

He was totally ****ed.

New World Order 04-23-2016 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan (Post 12192887)
Pic from my seat


That's awesome. What is the atmosphere like?

IA_Chiefs_fan 04-23-2016 09:50 PM

It is amazing. My son and I are loving it!

ArrowheadHawk 04-23-2016 09:56 PM

Wow.

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Jerm 04-23-2016 09:56 PM

Jesus Christ, MM is a beast...

Pants 04-23-2016 09:57 PM

Mighty Mouse. God damn.

IA_Chiefs_fan 04-23-2016 09:57 PM

It just got loud!!

IA_Chiefs_fan 04-23-2016 10:09 PM

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Not a fan of his but here's a pic of Nate Diaz.

ZootedGranny 04-23-2016 10:15 PM

IA_Chiefs_fan, how many people have you seen wearing Reebok fight kits?

IA_Chiefs_fan 04-23-2016 10:16 PM

Fight kits??

alnorth 04-23-2016 11:04 PM

I'm very happy for MM. I occasionally watch his stream on twitch, and he's a good guy

ArrowheadHawk 04-23-2016 11:06 PM

Bones a little rusty

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alnorth 04-23-2016 11:55 PM

Dana White said that if Jon Jones is healthy and if DC is cleared in an MRI on Monday, then they will headline UFC 200

edit: OSP has a broken arm

ZootedGranny 04-24-2016 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by IA_Chiefs_fan (Post 12192947)
Fight kits??

Basically the gear that the fighters wear during walkouts.

Demonpenz 04-24-2016 12:40 AM

I give that card a C....pretty meh. Still good product for me to buy as long as it is with friends.

TimBone 04-24-2016 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12192994)
Dana White said that if Jon Jones is healthy and if DC is cleared in an MRI on Monday, then they will headline UFC 200

edit: OSP has a broken arm

I read earlier on Sherdog that Jon Jones was in a wheelchair backstage after the fight. Nothing more came of that?

alnorth 04-24-2016 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12193021)
I read earlier on Sherdog that Jon Jones was in a wheelchair backstage after the fight. Nothing more came of that?

He said at the press conference that he feels great, so not sure what was up with that report

jd1020 04-24-2016 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TimBone (Post 12193021)
I read earlier on Sherdog that Jon Jones was in a wheelchair backstage after the fight. Nothing more came of that?

When he was walking out of the arena after the fight I could have swore he was limping while high fiving fans.

SAUTO 04-24-2016 11:35 AM

Shin injury

SAUTO 04-25-2016 11:16 AM

So conor says he's back on for 200

Dana says he's not...
This might be the biggest cluster **** ever

raybec 4 04-25-2016 01:06 PM

WTF is Conor doing?

SAUTO 04-25-2016 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12194567)
WTF is Conor doing?

Trying to force his hand

SAUTO 04-25-2016 07:03 PM

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/15...st-ufc-200-mma

alnorth 04-25-2016 09:19 PM

This may not mean much to most, but its been annoying to me (and some fighters) for a while. Starting with UFC 200, Reebok will finally offer more colors in uniform options. Higher ranked fighter gets first pick, and only the champion can wear black/gold.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg5oRlTVEAQ8aDL.jpg

raybec 4 04-26-2016 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12195324)
This may not mean much to most, but its been annoying to me (and some fighters) for a while. Starting with UFC 200, Reebok will finally offer more colors in uniform options. Higher ranked fighter gets first pick, and only the champion can wear black/gold.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg5oRlTVEAQ8aDL.jpg

This whole thing really pisses me off. I hate to see the UFC making itself less attractive to free agent fighters by limiting their earning potential. A lot of these guys made a lot more on sponsorship than they earned in the fight itself. Only the top tier guys are going to make any sponsor money if they can't advertise in the ring

alnorth 04-26-2016 08:22 AM

To be fair, the bottom fighters are also better off. Its the fighters ranked around #5-#15 who got screwed.

alnorth 04-27-2016 06:52 AM

The UFC just announced on Good Morning America that the new main event for UFC 200 is DC vs Jon Jones

WhawhaWhat 04-27-2016 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12197087)
The UFC just announced on Good Morning America that the new main event for UFC 200 is DC vs Jon Jones

What's the o/u on how many days until it's changed?

raybec 4 04-27-2016 08:54 AM

Big DC fan but Jones is going to handle him again. I hate Jones but he's the best in the business.

SAUTO 04-27-2016 09:24 AM

so jones' x ray came out negative im guessing?

alnorth 04-27-2016 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 12197266)
so jones' x ray came out negative im guessing?

I assume so. I guess he must have been hurting after the fight, but yesterday he tweeted or instragram'd (I forget which) something about don't worry, he's already walking around and feels fine in response to that panicky story on bloody elbow that said he might be out 6 months.

BigCatDaddy 04-27-2016 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 12197229)
Big DC fan but Jones is going to handle him again. I hate Jones but he's the best in the business.

He was the best but his last fight showed a lot of rust from that time off. I think both guys are a notch below where they were for thier last fight.

alnorth 04-27-2016 05:26 PM

They haven't announced anything, but it looks like the UFC may create a women's flyweight division. Whoever is running the UFC's web site forgot that there are many automated programs out there which frequently monitors the fighter data on their web site to instantly detect when fighters are added and dropped. One of them detected a new weight division added in the data for the web site.

alnorth 04-29-2016 04:07 PM

Well, this kinda sucks. Paddy Holohan was forced to retire because of an extremely rare medical condition, and the UFC will not be able to medically clear him to fight. He's a young flyweight prospect in a division that badly needs talent.

He's got a bleeding disorder in which he can still form clots so he's not a typical hemophiliac, but the clots can be unstable and fail to stop bleeds, which can be a problem for internal injury. He knew he had it and never really tried to hide it from the UFC, but he didn't go out of his way to disclose it either. He was having bleeding problems after his Dublin fight, and the UFC doctors discovered his condition.

New World Order 04-29-2016 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12198160)
They haven't announced anything, but it looks like the UFC may create a women's flyweight division. Whoever is running the UFC's web site forgot that there are many automated programs out there which frequently monitors the fighter data on their web site to instantly detect when fighters are added and dropped. One of them detected a new weight division added in the data for the web site.


Oh no

They're really watering down the product.

alnorth 04-30-2016 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12204339)
Oh no

They're really watering down the product.

I don't see how. There would now be 11 divisions, but its not like the fighters and fights scheduled are evenly split between those 11 divisions. Lightweight and Welterweight has by far the most fighters and the most scheduled fights, because thats the weight class that fits most healthy male athletes. You can go entire cards without seeing a single female fighter.

The gap between 115 and 135 is just too large, they needed to do it. Maybe they'll bring in a few fighters, but I expect you'll just see women moving up from strawweight or down from bantamweight.

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alnorth 04-30-2016 06:06 PM

Looks like this will be the first women's flyweight bout. No championship plans announced yet.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChIujpiWYAAOgMj.jpg

alnorth 04-30-2016 06:18 PM

LOL, Lorenzo Fertitta said this to John McCarthy backstage: "I never thought when I had a guy who was guaranteed 10 Million Dollars, that I'd have a problem."

That guarantee was only for UFC 200. Conor is not guaranteed that amount for UFC 201, 202, etc

alnorth 05-01-2016 10:50 PM

lol...

http://i.imgur.com/5WqbBTu.jpg

alnorth 05-02-2016 10:03 AM

If anyone is bored, Conor seems to be raging on twitter today, still trying to get on 200. Its been amusing.

alnorth 05-03-2016 11:28 AM

LOL, Conor is delusional. He says that if he was on the card at UFC 200, they would have broken the Mayweather/Pacquiao PPV record of 4.4 million buys.

The UFC's current record is 1.6 million at UFC 100. Conor also said that his fight with Diaz at UFC 196 reached 2 million, but thats a flat-out lie.

raybec 4 05-04-2016 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12213781)
LOL, Conor is delusional. He says that if he was on the card at UFC 200, they would have broken the Mayweather/Pacquiao PPV record of 4.4 million buys.

The UFC's current record is 1.6 million at UFC 100. Conor also said that his fight with Diaz at UFC 196 reached 2 million, but thats a flat-out lie.

The more he rambles on, the more I wish he'd just fade away.

alnorth 05-04-2016 06:20 PM

The headliner for UFC 201 will be Robbie Lawler vs Tyron Woodley

edit: and this will be a fight night on July 23rd

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the works for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFCChicago?src=hash">#UFCChicago</a>: Gilbert Melendez vs. Edson Barboza, &#39;Rumble&#39; Johnson vs. Glover Teixeira, Holly Holm vs. Valentina Shevchenko</p>&mdash; UFC Tonight (@UFCTonight) <a href="https://twitter.com/UFCTonight/status/728015914981953537">May 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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alnorth 05-04-2016 06:44 PM

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BigCatDaddy 05-04-2016 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12216453)
The headliner for UFC 201 will be Robbie Lawler vs Tyron Woodley

edit: and this will be a fight night on July 23rd

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In the works for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UFCChicago?src=hash">#UFCChicago</a>: Gilbert Melendez vs. Edson Barboza, &#39;Rumble&#39; Johnson vs. Glover Teixeira, Holly Holm vs. Valentina Shevchenko</p>&mdash; UFC Tonight (@UFCTonight) <a href="https://twitter.com/UFCTonight/status/728015914981953537">May 5, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Rumble/Glover should be fun. Piss before that one starts.

alnorth 05-05-2016 06:46 PM

It seems like the UFC signed up with Fox only recently, but it was actually 2011, and there is only about 1.5 years left in their current TV deal. Its no coincidence they cleaned up their uniform with the Reebok deal.

There is going to be an enormous, epic bidding war between Fox and Disney for the UFC. Cord-cutting has become a lot more serious since 2011, Fox desperately needs to keep the UFC to keep people watching FS1.

I assume the Fertittas and Dana will keep most of the windfall, but it would be nice if some of that cash slips through their fingers and falls onto the fighters when they get their next TV deal.

alnorth 05-05-2016 08:26 PM

wow. If this is true, then Ronda Rousey is a real unlikable crazy bitch

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alnorth 05-06-2016 08:13 AM

The Sun is reporting that Conor McGregor is negotiating with Floyd Mayweather on a boxing match in Vegas. Conor would get 10 million, while Floyd would get the rest. Obviously Conor's contract with the UFC would forbid the bout, but I'm not sure if they can actually go to court to stop it.

The Sun is not the most reliable source in the world, but Conor's coach is dropping hints on twitter, so...

jd1020 05-06-2016 08:17 AM

Just 10 million huh? He doesn't seem like a very good negotiator.

alnorth 05-06-2016 08:55 AM

Ariel Helwani is firmly saying there is no truth to these rumors.

I also confirmed on another board with people who know about UFC contracts and the law that there is no way Conor can box in the United States without the UFC's permission. The UFC can easily get an injunction, only way Conor could fight without permission would be to go to a country that will not enforce his contract.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A) McGregor has a UFC contract. He can&#39;t just go fight Mayweather. And b) do you really think he would agree to those pay terms? C&#39;mon now.</p>&mdash; Ariel Helwani (@arielhelwani) <a href="https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/728590780928036866">May 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Sassy Squatch 05-06-2016 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12218803)
Ariel Helwani is firmly saying there is no truth to these rumors.

I also confirmed on another board with people who know about UFC contracts and the law that there is no way Conor can box in the United States without the UFC's permission. The UFC can easily get an injunction, only way Conor could fight without permission would be to go to a country that will not enforce his contract.

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A) McGregor has a UFC contract. He can&#39;t just go fight Mayweather. And b) do you really think he would agree to those pay terms? C&#39;mon now.</p>&mdash; Ariel Helwani (@arielhelwani) <a href="https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/728590780928036866">May 6, 2016</a></blockquote>
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If he's an independent contractor he can effectively do what he wants. Courts are going to side with The fighter. The WWE has learned this the hard way.

alnorth 05-06-2016 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 12218834)
If he's an independent contractor he can effectively do what he wants. Courts are going to side with The fighter. The WWE has learned this the hard way.

There's something about MMA contracts that is enforceable. Rampage tried to fight with the UFC (he thought Bellator breached the contract, making him a free agent), but the court ruled that his contract with Bellator was still valid, and because it was still valid, the court prevented him from fighting with the UFC.

alnorth 05-06-2016 09:47 AM

Someone brought up another fact on this silly Conor rumor. Even if he wasn't under contract, there is not an athletic commission in the United States that would sanction a bout between a 49-0 world champion, and a fighter with a record of 0-0.

SAUTO 05-06-2016 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12218868)
Someone brought up another fact on this silly Conor rumor. Even if he wasn't under contract, there is not an athletic commission in the United States that would sanction a bout between a 49-0 world champion, and a fighter with a record of 0-0.

First thing I thought of when I read this rumor.

SAUTO 05-06-2016 12:21 PM

But IMO this isn't about him boxing, it's about him trying to prove to the ufc they aren't the only way he would ever be in the position he's in right now financially.

Funny it's the same amount that he was getting for diaz...

alnorth 05-06-2016 12:36 PM

Dana laughed off the rumor in an interview and said its not true.

Some clever reporter contacted Bovada, and they said that if this fight actually happened, they would set the opening line at Floyd -2000, Conor +900

NWTF 05-06-2016 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12218738)
The Sun is reporting that Conor McGregor is negotiating with Floyd Mayweather on a boxing match in Vegas. Conor would get 10 million, while Floyd would get the rest. Obviously Conor's contract with the UFC would forbid the bout, but I'm not sure if they can actually go to court to stop it.

The Sun is not the most reliable source in the world, but Conor's coach is dropping hints on twitter, so...

Dumb if it were to actually happen. Mayweather would kill him in a boxing match. Well, it may not be a killing by MMA standards, but Mayweather would win every rd by outpointing the #!@% out of him.

TimBone 05-06-2016 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12219184)
Dana laughed off the rumor in an interview and said its not true.

Some clever reporter contacted Bovada, and they said that if this fight actually happened, they would set the opening line at Floyd -2000, Conor +900

And it would still be a solid bet to put everything you own on Mayweather.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-06-2016 11:20 PM

I would bet Mayweather at -50000. I highly doubt McGregor has boxing skills on par with the 50th ranked welterweight in the world, let alone Mayweather.

New World Order 05-07-2016 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by alnorth (Post 12219184)
Dana laughed off the rumor in an interview and said its not true.

Some clever reporter contacted Bovada, and they said that if this fight actually happened, they would set the opening line at Floyd -2000, Conor +900


That's extremely low for someone that's never had a boxing fight before.

alnorth 05-07-2016 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 12219927)
That's extremely low for someone that's never had a boxing fight before.

keep in mind, lines are set based on how they think people will bet. You gotta keep the stupid horde of Irish fans in mind, you might not need much more than +900 to attract money on his side.


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