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tredadda 11-19-2024 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17814183)
Bolles was trash his first 3 years. I’ve got hope for Kingsley.

Same with Fisher.

RunKC 11-23-2024 11:55 AM

Credit to Lance Zierlein. He nailed the scouting report on this kid.

Overview

A five-star recruit coming out of high school, Suamataia spent time at Oregon before transferring to BYU and finding two years of starting experience. He has good size and adequate play strength, but sloppy hand placement limits control and consistency as both a run and pass blocker. Suamataia could struggle to handle NFL edge speed in pass protection, but he’s quick enough for move-blocking duties in outside zone and in space. He can redirect and mirror counters when he’s postured up and appears capable of dealing with bull rushers. The tape is more solid than spectacular, but Suamataia has the ability to become an average starting tackle on the right side.

Weaknesses
-Average slide quickness forces gate to open prematurely.
-Lacks sudden hands to find opponent’s frame first.
-Oversetting creates inside pathways for rushers.
-Heavy-footed recoveries won’t help much when beaten.
-Sloppy hand placement limits block control in run game.
-Fairly average contact balance at point of attack.

RunKC 12-12-2024 01:25 PM

When every Chiefs reporter hints at something it usually means it’s accurate

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OL coach Andy Heck says that Kingsley Suamataia has been cross-training at multiple positions, including guard.</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1867274175607382285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sassy Squatch 12-12-2024 01:28 PM

Replacing one of Thuney/Smith.

ThrobProng 12-12-2024 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17819590)
Credit to Lance Zierlein. He nailed the scouting report on this kid.

Overview

A five-star recruit coming out of high school, Suamataia spent time at Oregon before transferring to BYU and finding two years of starting experience. He has good size and adequate play strength, but sloppy hand placement limits control and consistency as both a run and pass blocker. Suamataia could struggle to handle NFL edge speed in pass protection, but he’s quick enough for move-blocking duties in outside zone and in space. He can redirect and mirror counters when he’s postured up and appears capable of dealing with bull rushers. The tape is more solid than spectacular, but Suamataia has the ability to become an average starting tackle on the right side.

Weaknesses
-Average slide quickness forces gate to open prematurely.
-Lacks sudden hands to find opponent’s frame first.
-Oversetting creates inside pathways for rushers.
-Heavy-footed recoveries won’t help much when beaten.
-Sloppy hand placement limits block control in run game.
-Fairly average contact balance at point of attack.

I know very little about the rating of high school players. Why was he a 5-star recruit? I thought 5-star athletes were "blue chippers".

tredadda 12-12-2024 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrobProng (Post 17854353)
I know very little about the rating of high school players. Why was he a 5-star recruit? I thought 5-star athletes were "blue chippers".

Nope. Being a 5 star recruit sometimes comes from what teams are interested in them. There are tons of five star recruits who don’t accomplish much in the NFL. Two that come to mind are Fields and Hardman.

O.city 12-12-2024 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17854346)
Replacing one of Thuney/Smith.

I'd imagine Smith. Thuney is still really good.

tredadda 12-12-2024 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17854342)
When every Chiefs reporter hints at something it usually means it’s accurate

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OL coach Andy Heck says that Kingsley Suamataia has been cross-training at multiple positions, including guard.</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1867274175607382285?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This makes sense as he’s on the roster and they won’t risk him playing LT again this year or moving him to the practice squad. This allows him to provide some value this year.

Pitt Gorilla 12-12-2024 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17854407)
This makes sense as he’s on the roster and they won’t risk him playing LT again this year or moving him to the practice squad. This allows him to provide some value this year.

It can also allow him to have success while continuing to get better. It really doesn't mean much for his long-term prognosis at LT.

O.city 12-12-2024 02:04 PM

They aren't putting him at G in hopes to put him back at T long term fellas.

Mecca 12-12-2024 02:05 PM

Morris and Kingsley are probably both guards, nothing wrong with that just have to actually find some OTs.

JPH83 12-12-2024 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17854420)
They aren't putting him at G in hopes to put him back at T long term fellas.

Yep, he's going to be a guard if he's anything at all. Back to the drawing board on LT.

siberian khatru 12-12-2024 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda (Post 17854386)
Nope. Being a 5 star recruit sometimes comes from what teams are interested in them. There are tons of five star recruits who don’t accomplish much in the NFL. Two that come to mind are Fields and Hardman.

There are lots of 5-star recruits who don't do squat in college.

DJ's left nut 12-12-2024 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17854423)
Morris and Kingsley are probably both guards, nothing wrong with that just have to actually find some OTs.

There's nothing physically that makes Kingsley more likely to succeed at OG than OT.

And there's nothing mentally that makes him more likely to fail at OT than at OG right now.

If you put him at OG right now, I think he might be the same liability he is at OT apart from the position simply having help on either side (which again gets back to the Creed question - why would we pay an IOL that kind of money if a bad OT can be a passable to good OG?)

I think ultimately they're trying to see if they can make him playable this year. He's gonna be rostered, might as well see if there's a situation where you can use him if you need him.

I don't think this should (or will) close the door on him at OT long-term. If he gets the hand technique down, the feet and length will play at OT. And if he doesn't get that down, he's still going to get his ass kicked inside.

RunKC 12-12-2024 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17854423)
Morris and Kingsley are probably both guards, nothing wrong with that just have to actually find some OTs.

Wanya is a fine swing tackle. It’s been proven that he can step in and be okay when needed.

Yes he’s had his struggles, but look around the league. Wanya would probably be one of the best swing tackles in the league. Majority of them are not good.


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