I don't know. He looked like a completely different player against the Ravens and Broncos. Just totally mind ****ed.

Kingsley might be able to play Tackle still but it says a lot that they moved him to G and had as much faith in him to be the immediate backup there and almost take over for Caliendo.

There needs to be a film review on his game vs Denver at G bc from what I saw he looked much better and way more comfortable. And he wasn’t playing some slapdick either.

Zach Allen is probably the 2nd best IDL to Chris in the AFC and Kingsley did a solid job holding his own against him.

I still think the kid is our RG next year. Seems like a great fit for him

If Suamataia replaces Smith at Guard then that was a good pick. Morris gets another year of work as the swing tackle. I think that's a positive.

As long as he’s a good player somewhere, then it was a good pick.

Welp I guess it’s not happening. Sigh

Yes, the Chiefs lost in Super Bowl LIX, but they still have a loaded roster. General manager Brett Veach said “our free agency will be our draft” in the offseason with regard to key player acquisition because of a tight salary cap situation and a long list of the Chiefs’ own potential free agents that they would like to re-sign. Kansas City will have four picks in the first three rounds, having acquired an additional pick early in Round 3 by trading cornerback L’Jarius Sneed to the Titans last offseason. — Adam Teicher

Hmmmm

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That would be a lot of eggs in one basket

I just don't know how you give up that much, but if they do, I will fully support it. Just get us a left tackle, whatever the hell it takes. If it can't happen in free agency, then move mountains in the draft if that's what you have to do. If we could get one without trading future firsts, that would be insane.

That isn't going to happen...

Too many, honestly.

And even then you have a risk that the draft choice will be a major bust. Hard to justify putting that much capital into an unproven player.

Prepare for Cam Robinson then. Conerly and Ersery weren’t even in Brugler’s top 30 prospects. I don’t want projects anymore

I think the idea that they are gonna spend on Cam Robinson doesn't seem like a great option either. They seem pretty hardline that Bolton is coming back..

It's gonna be some reclamation project whether that is DJ Humpries or Jedrick Wills remains to be seen.

Somebody is gonna outbid us. Every team knows we need a LT. We are going to get bent over a barrel.

Yep.

One can dream. Go for broke, get the LT fixed in the draft by a young stud, we have been to the AFC championship game time and again w/ many of our recent 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounders not on the field or seeing significant playing time (Skyy, FAU, Kingsley, etc.)

I think if we trade all those picks for just a LT who may not even be good, we risk the entire dynasty for the next couple years.

Again, it doesn’t need to be a great LT. It needs to be a decent one.

The fact that the Chiefs have invested this heavily in their offensive line and it still didn’t prevent Tampa Super Bowl 2.0 on Sunday is stunning.

In hindsight I guess we shoulda paid Orlando?

They're going to prioritize bringing back their own players above FA's the only FA I think the Chiefs may pursue is Charvarius Ward, we need a boundary CB and he'll likely not be expensive and familiarity etc.

The Chiefs didn’t invest in Thuney to play LT and they sure as shit did not invest in Caliendo to play starting snaps in the SB

We need a pass blocking left tackle that can move. That way we can run the offense we ran with fisher. We haven’t been able to since then.

Forget about these big run graders. We aren’t a run team.

And we need a fast half back that can catch. Not having McKinnon was a big issue

Might be time for Andy Heck to be replaced, but the head coach is probably not gonna do that. The Chiefs OL repeatedly gets pushed around in many games, even when they manage to win a lot of them.

That's three starters on rookie deals.

Uh well some of that is it's who they are.

The Chiefs OL is much more about technique and finesse than it is power. Thuney is a technician that uses his brains savvy and athletic ability to be great..there is nothing big physical or mauling about that.

The only OL they've had like that was Orlando Brown and everyone hated him.

If these are the guys they like, they should run more zone blocking. It's at least worth a shot.

This is why I think we are going to pay Cam Robinson. 3 starters for the future can’t be washed away on a lottery ticket.

It’s gonna be too much risk for Veach I can already see it

That’s the consequence of one of the positions they did go cheap at… LT.

The Chiefs center, RT, and LG have three of the highest salary cap #’s on the roster… while both of their LT’s to start the season are making less than their third string RB (Perine).

Someone posted a quote from Veach that makes it sound like he won’t do anything serious in free agency. Can’t afford to do it because of the salary cap, and the owner’s refusal to play the Void Year game like Philadelphia. Veach’s hands are tied.

NO WE SHOULD NOT HAVR PAID ORLANDO OR SIGNRD HIM IN TBR FIRST PLACR.

stop looking at players as better vs worse than others

Look at skill sets. We need a light / tall offensive tackle like fisher was (undersized weight wise)

Adam Teicher has been repeating a quote from Veach about the draft being the Chiefs’ free agency.

I think the Super Bowl outcome changes that strategy… especially at LT.

When I look at how this team was built this year it’s quite shocking we beat the bills in the playoffs.

We aren’t nearly as good as we can be by next year and especially in 2 years.

The bills could have easily beat Philly in the superbowl I think

Barkley would have rushed for 300+ yards vs Buffalo’s defense.

Not that hard. If they trust their scouting then if they made that move, they'd have to believe that player can start for the next 10 years or so.

Every move they can do carries risk. This isn't the time to be risk averse and end up going into next year with a question mark. Whether it's signing a FA, finding a trade, or trading up for a draft pick, they need to go 100% at it.

If it means the rookie LT will have growing pains and at times make mistakes, fine. That will be the coaching staffs job to coach him up and Patrick to help him out when he can and not exacerbate those mistakes.

We need to let right guard walk, move or do something w/ Chris jones (restructure) and Kelce will proly retire. Bolton I think we keep.

This leaves money for us in FA

Had you watched the Bills against run first offenses this year? You also gotta remember how Allen fared against the Texans d-line.

I get that people did not like Orlando but look where that got us...

They literally just paid Jones last year.

We can easily draft elite guards in rounds 2-4

Do not worry about this position. Worry about left tackle and getting a rb that can contribute explosive plays in the pass game

You are forgetting one important aspect of this: there are generally only 13-15 real first rd grades in a draft class. Who wants to trade back in this scenario?

Teams aren’t gonna want to trade down to 31 and pass up elite caliber talent. The Dolphins or Colts for example are not trading back with us for more picks when Tyler Warren is there for the taking

They have holes at nearly every position group. This team has zero business trading the entire front half of the draft for one player.

Need to stop overpaying our own guys for our success
Mahomes / Reid built a winning culture so our players are mostly all overvalued and over paid.

Just like the coaches from Chiefs / patriots teams. Over valued over promoted and never did much elsewhere.

We’ll see about that. It’s 100% on Clark Hunt to allow Veach more aggressive strategy with the salary cap and cash spending. The Eagles outspent them by $36 million in the 2024 season. A year ago, the Niners outspent the Chiefs by $28 million even with Brock Purdy on a super cheap contract. I would say that type of money ($28-36 million) would drastically help the Left Tackle situation in Kansas City.

Other examples…

2024: Niners outspent KC by $40 million
2024: Cleveland outspent KC by $37MM
2024: Miami outspent KC by $25MM
2024: Jacksonville outspent KC by $24MM
2023: Cleveland outspent KC by $53MM
2023: Baltimore outspent KC by $52MM
2023: Buffalo outspent KC by $42MM
2023: Houston outspent KC by $42MM
2023: NY Jets outspent KC by $40MM

It’s absolutely hilarious that so many of these teams failed despite the big money approach.

Clark's been living the champagne life on a prosecco budget.

Now that he was embarrassed in the Super Bowl, ol' Daddy Warbucks (hopefully) makes it rain.

As of right now the Chiefs have 175 million dollars in 5 players for next years cap...so without using void years you are talking about a ton of restructuring to create space and you think they're gonna pay money for a LT...right...

Clark is lowering Mahomes cap hits through restructuring with his own money every year.

The bottom line is always drafting and finding great players. Baun and Becton were amazing low cost value home runs. Quinyon and DeJean were the steals of the draft. That’s a major reason they won.

The Chiefs also never pick early like the Eagles. They got Jalen Carter and DeVonta Smith with top 10 picks

I agree. You want to close our window, trade away our draft picks.

You first see how free agency plays out. Is there a stop gap option at LT. If so the draft gets really easy and exciting IMO. This is especially so if someone cuts a LT like Matthews in ATL or Armstead in MIA because those guys won't count against the compensatory formula. I'd be really aggressive if one of those guys is actually available.

If you can sign Bolton to a fair deal do it. You probably have to pick between guys like Reid and Wharton. Doubt you can keep them both. But again, I'm more willing to pay for young defensive guys to keep things going on that side of the ball, than offensive free agents. The only way to manage the cap is to pay to play on defense, and improve the offensive through the draft.

If you keep a dude like Wharton, maybe drafting a DT in the first round isn't so critical and it allows you to take whatever OT that falls, OR simply pick the best playmaker available. WR/RB/CB/DL. There is absolutely no way in hell I'm going to pop for a TE in the first three rounds of this draft. NOT HAPPENING.

Those are fine examples...but where we are going to lose our guard, they kept theirs, they paid both of their WR's where we chose not to do that..we draft CB's and move on from Sneed they draft CB's and kept Slay..and had the money to pay an elite RB in FA.

Just some minor examples of how their method nets more players.

Well of course. I never said finding a trade partner was guaranteed. But if there is one, the Chiefs shouldn't be scared to do it.

LT wouldn't have saved them vs the Eagles

The list I provided is cash spending. They’re getting smoked in the cash spending by other teams. I think it’s hilarious the Niners are spending so much money on a loaded roster with a rookie QB contract and they have nothing to show for it. Cleveland might be the funniest one of all. Enormous spending and zero results.

The window will close anyway. We have lost 1 HOF player when we traded Tyreek, Kelce is aging out and only Mahomes and Jones remain.

When Jones is done the window closes and we need to reload.

If that one player is the player that solves the LT issues for the rest of Mahomes career, then yeah that's an easy sacrifice.

The chiefs have already spent a 1st round pick, 3rd round pick, and 2nd round pick on LTs the last few years that are either off the team already or are deemed unplayable. At some point they have to get a permanent solution and that will either be paying big bucks and/or picks for a free agent/trade or trading up for one. So regardless of how, if we want a permanent solution to the LT issue, it's going to take taking risks and just believing in your scouting and evaluation skills.

Even still, they have to line up things like we do. Landon Dickerson and Devonta Smith just got paid and had a low first year cap hit. Slay is getting cut and Lane Johnson will retire in the next year or two before those guys see real money.

Clark is using this method on the most expensive player on the entire roster. We’ve also used restructuring methods with other guys too.

I’d like to see it done a little more but Bottomline the bill comes due and they are where they are with drafting primarily

I don't think any team has the magical "find a LT" scouting trick.


The teams that are stacked on OL just take a lot of developmental guys and hit on a few guys who can play.

I'm not convinced that Kingsley can't play with a year under his belt; but I'd feel much better if we had a Vet on the roster as well

Of course not. But the same conviction they had when they traded up for Mahomes is the same one they should have now if there's an LT they like.

Again, I'm not acting like this is the only solution to the problem. Just saying that having to give up multiple picks shouldn't be what stops them from getting someone they believe can be the long term blindside protector for Mahomes.

That basket protects Patrick Mahomes

Run is right here.

I thought it to myself pre-game last week - what the Eagles did in last year's offseason was very reminiscent of some of Veach's best work the past few years. Excellent underrated signings, and grand slam draft picks specifically in the secondary.

When a GM pulls that off and the roster already has the major building blocks in place to begin with, going to be incredibly tough to deny that team. And Philly will be right in the mix again next year with a legit shot to repeat because of it.

We can bemoan Clark all we want, we won't be back in the Super Bowl next year unless we have a great draft with some really solid role player signings.

We're gonna end up with DJ Humpries and Jedrick Wills..just prepare yourself.

Yeah, if there is a guy that they think is plug and play at LT and they expect can play at a high level in the NFL go get them.


Draft picks don't mean much when you can't protect your 500 million dollar QB.

Super Bowl winners haven't been nor will ever be bought at the top of free agency.

It's drafting well, paying your home run picks, and then supplementing with the Drue Tranquill's, Charles Omenihu's, Jerick McKinnon's of the league. The draft is the prerequisite though and thank goodness we have some better ammo this year in the meat of this class.

Who is that player then?

This isn't a great draft for tackles. And even if it was, you're making a Mahomes-like trade for one player. What if that player is Luke Joeckel instead of Eric Fisher?

There's a world of difference between a calculated risk and just being dumb.

If there was a Joe Alt in this draft, sure go get him. There really isn't this year and if there was, we'd have to give up our entire draft to get up high enough.

At this point it doesn't even matter if it's a good move or a bad move, its a non-starter. It's not going to happen.

Stop speaking in hypotheticals and generalities, though.

Who are you trading up to get? Who is that plug and play guy?

It's like people forget that the Jets used a top 15 pick on the OT from Penn State that was really well thought of..they didn't throw him into the fire letting him sit behind Smith and Moses and when he got in..he looked like liquified shit.

This isn't really a "plug and play" situation.

Sorry, haven't watched much college ball.

Have no opinions on individual offensive line players.

And it's not a position I understand that well anyway.


QB's, WR's RB's, most defensive players except safety (hard to tell what responsibilities are on basic game footage).

It's really hard to hold a position based on nothing, isn't it?

I mean no disrespect but how can you say we should take these enormous risks when you don't even know who might be available?

I think the most realistic thing the Chiefs could do to improve their team at this point to hope they can convince Tyron Smith that at this stage of his career trying to win a SB matters and he'll sign a 1 year 10 million dollar deal.

Pretty easy to understand.

I said if the KC staff thinks there is a guy they love at LT who is plug and play (not Kingsley raw, they should know the difference) and can be a star LT go get them.

That is based on their opinion. My thoughts are irrelevant here.

Of course once things get boring and I miss football I will have a whole bunch of opinions. Some will be right and some will be wrong. But for now that's all I have for you.

Plug and play LT's are top 5 picks bro.

Some make it to 10 or 12.

What if there simply aren't any surefire day 1 starters in the draft? Their draft board doesn't matter at that point. They'd be settling.

There's a lot more to this than just saying throw the whole draft at it. That would be extremely short-sighted for a team trying to sustain this level of success.

Then of course no.


You don't do the deal unless you are as sure as you can be on a player.

To get to 10, we would have to have a trade partner and we would have to give up MORE than we traded for Mahomes. That's just not going to happen.

That's what I'm trying to say.

A lot of us have been scouting tackles since Fisher left. The chances of this kind of thing actually happening are slim, if there's any chance at all. Teams in our position find long-term solutions at LT in the middle of the draft. It's all pretty much luck.

If the thoughts are that most NFL teams don't like the players as much at the top it makes it cheaper to deal up.

Part of why we were able to get Mahomes for a low trade up cost was a lot of the Dinosaurs thought the 2017 QB's didn't have any elite talent.

That of course was dead wrong.

Look, you wanna continue to compete for SB's trading your whole draft for 1 guy isn't gonna do that.

There is a greater chance that Kingsley is the starter at LT next season over a drafted in the first LT. It's just not going to happen.

Patrick Mahomes wasn't a consensus top 10 pick. He was a QB with unrealized potential and a lot of warts. He was a top 10 pick because of the position he plays and the value of that position.

A top 10 LT has almost zero question marks. It's one of the safest picks you can make, relatively speaking. Teams are not going to line up to help us get one.

You want this offense to look different?

Where that starts is adding Rice back, probably bringing Brown back and having that trio for the entire year, adding real talent to the RB room, those things are doable.

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to that, smart way of buying some time to figure out who the future is while presumably getting solid play in the interim