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DJ's left nut 10-27-2022 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558200)
Daboll is a Patriot way pud also..

{closes book}

Well with that, I'm more than happy to give the kid a clean slate.

**** PatriotWay Forever.

BWillie 10-27-2022 02:43 PM

Certainly more talented than Skyy Moore but he's a complete shithead. But he's our shithead now. Time to go fast.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558200)
Daboll is a Patriot way pud also..

Yep. He was pretty much known as a dick when he was the OC here.

TwistedChief 10-27-2022 02:44 PM

ESPN take:

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Giants trade WR Toney to Chiefs
Kansas City Chiefs get: WR Kadarius Toney
New York Giants get: 2023 third-round pick; 2023 sixth-round pick
Trade date: Oct. 27


Grade for the Chiefs: B

The defining characteristic of Toney's young NFL career has been lack of availability. He has played in exactly half of the Giants' 24 games since the start of 2021 because of injuries and COVID-19.

This year, Toney injured his hamstring in training camp, then played in the first two games of the season before reinjuring it. He hasn't played since and now believes he returned to action too soon the first time around.

But the other important factor is how efficient Toney was in his rookie season, albeit it in a somewhat limited sample.

Getting 420 receiving yards over 10 games might not sound particularly special, but Toney's limited playing time means he showed serious promise on a per-route basis. Among players with at least 150 routes run in 2021, Toney ranked 17th in yards per route run and 11th in yards per route run vs. man coverage.

His receiver tracking metrics from that first year flashed an ability to get open and generate yards after catch: He recorded a 67/45/64 open score/catch score/YAC score. A 67 open score right now would be well above those of Chiefs receivers JuJu Smith-Schuster (52) and Marquez Valdes-Scantling (29), although well below that of tight end Travis Kelce (80).

So Toney possesses promise. I think players traded early in their rookie contracts are interesting because there are countervailing forces at work. The longer they play, the less time remaining on a below-market deal they have left (decreasing their value) but also the more confident teams become in the quality of that player (increasing their value if the player has played well). In this case, though, the injuries complicate the picture, so Toney's forecast remains muddled.

Although the Chiefs' offense has been successful without Tyreek Hill, I think it could still use long-term receiving help. Smith-Schuster is looking like an increasingly successful signing (although 55% of his receiving yards have come via YAC, fourth highest of any WR with at least 150 routes this season), but Valdes-Scantling -- despite putting up a few big-yardage games -- is flashing some warning signs. He has the worst open score in the league and is bottom 10 in YAC score.

Kelce, Smith-Schuster and Valdes-Scantling have roughly split slot snaps (with between 120 and 134 each) this year, with Mecole Hardman also working in at times. None of them exclusively occupies that space: All three WRs play more frequently out wide, while Kelce aligns tight as often as he's in the slot. Toney played in the slot 55% of the time last year, per NFL Next Gen Stats.

There are risks here. But for a Super Bowl contender like the Chiefs, I think acquiring Toney is a reasonable upside bet that has the potential to pay dividends this year if he's healthy but also for years to come. Toney is on just Year 2 of his rookie contract, and Smith-Schuster and Hardman are in the final years of their deals, plus Valdes-Scantling's $8.6 million 2023 salary is not guaranteed.

Grade for the Giants: B

The first sign Toney's time on the Giants might be cut short came during the 2022 draft, when the team selected another slot receiver, Wan'Dale Robinson, with the No. 43 pick. The selection resulted in questions about whether the team would deal Toney, which prompted an immediate denial from Giants GM Joe Schoen regarding the team "shopping" the receiver.

Whether they were or weren't putting him out there at the time, Toney is now gone.

With that draft pick, playing Toney just seven snaps in Week 1 (although he did play 28 in Week 2) and now the Giants moving on just 18 months into his pro career, we can conclude he didn't mesh with the new Schoen/Brian Daboll regime, which came in this offseason and thus did not draft him.

If we ignored all the circumstances, this trade would look odd. The Giants are 6-1 with arguably the worst wide receiver room in the NFL but just traded a high-upside player out of it. But the Giants are not as good as their record suggests and decided to get what they could for Toney now. It's like a falling stock: He has the potential to rebound, but the team didn't want to wait to find out and risk his trade value sinking more.

The aforementioned collection of receivers the Giants have on their roster -- Robinson, Darius Slayton, Richie James, Kenny Golladay, Marcus Johnson, David Sills V -- does not inspire a ton of confidence, but again, Toney barely played this year. New York has been riding with this lackluster group all season (Sterling Shepard suffered a torn ACL in Week 3), anyway.

If Toney wasn't part of the Giants' long-term plans, at least they did get tangible assets from trading him now.

KChiefs1 10-27-2022 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558200)
Daboll is a Patriot way pud also..


and he coached for Alabama & the Bills.


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htismaqe 10-27-2022 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16558204)
{closes book}

Well with that, I'm more than happy to give the kid a clean slate.

**** PatriotWay Forever.

Yep.

MMXcalibur 10-27-2022 02:45 PM

Nice pick-up, but I'm not expecting Toney to do much for us this season.

We've tried to fit offensive pieces in mid-season before and it just hasn't worked out.

Mecca 10-27-2022 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MMXcalibur (Post 16558211)
Nice pick-up, but I'm not expecting Toney to do much for us this season.

We've tried to fit offensive pieces in mid-season before and it just hasn't worked out.

At the very very least he can take snaps out of the slot running option routes, with Pats improv ability a guy like Toney's quickness is gonna get him wide open all the time.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MMXcalibur (Post 16558211)
Nice pick-up, but I'm not expecting Toney to do much for us this season.

We've tried to fit offensive pieces in mid-season before and it just hasn't worked out.

Most of the guys we brought in were aging players with limited upside.

This deal is ALL upside. It's just different in every way.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 02:51 PM

Okay, so what's the excuse for his time at Florida?

htismaqe 10-27-2022 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558224)
Okay, so what's the excuse for his time at Florida?

Oh he has attitude problems, I'm not trying to say he doesn't.

Mecca 10-27-2022 02:53 PM

The Chiefs have a pretty long history of doing well with red flag guys.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558229)
The Chiefs have a pretty long history of doing well with red flag guys.

Yep.

It's not about excusing Toney's behavior, it's about believing the Chiefs can reign that in and get production out of him.

ToxSocks 10-27-2022 02:57 PM

Hi, my name is Detoxing and im still fapping over this trade.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 02:59 PM

I mean, the Chiefs haven't dealt with any on this level recently. Toney has something much worse than an "attitude problem". He has a questionable commitment to football.

BleedingRed 10-27-2022 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558229)
The Chiefs have a pretty long history of doing well with red flag guys.

Ok yes.... And no..

TO BE COMPLETELY FAIR, Andy Reid has a history of working with red flag guys.

Chiefs History is a "parking lot" of bad issues tho.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558239)
I mean, the Chiefs haven't dealt with any on this level recently. Toney has something much worse than an "attitude problem". He has a questionable commitment to football.

Do you think a change from Daniel Jones to Patrick Mahomes might light the fire a little bit, though? I ****ing do.

ToxSocks 10-27-2022 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16558240)
Chiefs History is a "parking lot" of bad issues tho.

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BWillie 10-27-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558061)
That's kind of apples and oranges. Hill had one very bad incident, or was convinced to plead guilty to it, and was otherwise relatively fine.

Toney OTOH seems to at the very least idolize some of the not so great aspects of a rapper lifestyle. Carrying a loaded AK 15 around for "protection", conducting himself like a blood on the interwebz, and his quite frankly dogshit opinion on the Ruggs tragedy are a bit concerning. Not to mention the struggles he had on the field with the Giants. Missing practices, not putting in enough effort to learn, constant injuries, etc.

There is incredible upside here, but there's also a slew of reasons the Giants gave up on it just a year and a half into his career. Just hope Reid can tone him back to the point he's productive for us.

Very good take. This is a huge bust potential, but if he can somehow grow up he could be a #1 WR on THIS team and more. I just don't like what I'm hearing about him as a person. For every Antonio Browns, there are a hell of alot more busts. I haven't been able to read much about what the conditional 3rd round pick is. If this is for a 3rd and a 6th no matter what I kind of think its too big of a risk. If it would have just bern a 6th is obviously a HR. I just find a hard time believing this guy won't figure a way to alienate himself outta the league eventually.

BleedingRed 10-27-2022 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16558245)
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I'm just saying..... We have certainly had real bad ****ing issues in the past.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16558246)
Very good take. This is a huge bust potential, but if he can somehow grow up he could be a #1 WR on THIS team and more. I just don't like what I'm hearing about him as a person. For every Antonio Browns, there are a hell of alot more busts. I haven't been able to read much about what the conditional 3rd round pick is. If this is for a 3rd and a 6th no matter what I kind of think its too big of a risk. If just a 6th is obviously a HR. I just find a hard time believing this guy won't figure a way to alienate himself outta the league eventually.

It's not a conditional pick. It's a compensatory pick. In fact, it's one of the picks we got from Poles going to Chicago.

There's no downside here - we gave up a superfluous pick for a guy that's scheduled to make a little over $5M for the next 3 years.

It's all upside. If he balls out, we got him locked up for cheap. If he flames out, he'll be gone with almost no cap repercussions.

There's nothing not to like about this. He either becomes a piece of the puzzle or he doesn't and we move on.

smithandrew051 10-27-2022 03:03 PM

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Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16558244)
Do you think a change from Daniel Jones to Patrick Mahomes might light the fire a little bit, though? I ****ing do.

Honestly, no. He may be excited for the opportunity to play with Mahomes but will that carry over when it's time to hunker down and put in some actual work? I certainly hope so but wouldn't put any bets on it.

Red Dawg 10-27-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558229)
The Chiefs have a pretty long history of doing well with red flag guys.

Who? Hill doesn't count. His GF admitted she made shit up in college and the last thing.

TwistedChief 10-27-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16558252)
It's not a conditional pick. It's a compensatory pick. In fact, it's one of the picks we got from Poles going to Chicago.

There's no downside here - we gave up a superfluous pick for a guy that's scheduled to make a little over $5M for the next 3 years.

It's all upside. If he balls out, we got him locked up for cheap. If he flames out, he'll be gone with almost no cap repercussions.

There's nothing not to like about this. He either becomes a piece of the puzzle or he doesn't and we move on.

Said another way, if the Bills just made this trade, would you feel good about things?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

chiefzilla1501 10-27-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558179)
He knows how to create separation in routes better than Mecole does. But different skillset, Mecole is an elite athlete with top end speed, Toney is quick twitch and his short area quickness is some of the best I've ever seen.

For sure. Mecole has absurd acceleration but not as much quick twitch. Skyy has that quick twitch but probably more Albert Wilson level vs tyreek or Toney. He can immediately be a short catch and run guy. Tyreek did tons of damage with that last year.

CatfishBob2 10-27-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by farmerchief (Post 16558122)
from NJ advance media,” In college, Toney averaged 12.6 yards on 11 punt returns in 2020, also scoring on a 50-yard return against Kentucky. ”. At least he’s had more experience than Sky with returning punts in college.

This is where I think he's going to make his immediate mark. There's just too many bodies and question marks on his behalf to expect so much right away. But man! If he can be electric in the return game like Tyreke used to be. That in itself might worth the picks

smithandrew051 10-27-2022 03:06 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kadarius Toney running his first route for Patrick Mahomes. <a href="https://t.co/gqyV0REE89">pic.twitter.com/gqyV0REE89</a></p>&mdash; Shooter McGavin (@ShooterMcGavin_) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1585710024902717440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 27, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558256)
Honestly, no. He may be excited for the opportunity to play with Mahomes but will that carry over when it's time to hunker down and put in some actual work? I certainly hope so but wouldn't put any bets on it.

I'm not saying I'd bet on it either but I'm certainly more optimistic than you seem to be. :D

BWillie 10-27-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558179)
He knows how to create separation in routes better than Mecole does. But different skillset, Mecole is an elite athlete with top end speed, Toney is quick twitch and his short area quickness is some of the best I've ever seen.

Yep. The actual playing football part doesn't bother me about this guy. But he's as bad news as it comes off the field and as a teammate by most accounts and reports.

He has more potential than Hardman. He is NOT just a gadget guy.

Urc Burry 10-27-2022 03:08 PM

Unrelated- kind of related- Sure would be nice if Bienemy could pass an interview, and we could recoup that 3rd

chiefzilla1501 10-27-2022 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16558258)
Said another way, if the Bills just made this trade, would you feel good about things?

I sure as hell wouldn't.

bills have a different mindset. They’re Super Bowl or bust right now until their contracts accelerate next year. If this move allows us to move on from mecole and not take on his new contract numbers, then it’s a good long term move. Meantime he helps us immediately as a punt returner. I’m plenty skeptical of his injuries and attitude but that upside right there is well worth the trade if it works out

ToxSocks 10-27-2022 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558256)
Honestly, no. He may be excited for the opportunity to play with Mahomes but will that carry over when it's time to hunker down and put in some actual work? I certainly hope so but wouldn't put any bets on it.

I'm leaning on their clout, stature and history of success being motivators for him to actually take to heart what they're telling him.

He has a real chance at success here. Surely he knows he's now playing for the best of the best.

That has to carry weight. It's impossible not to. Enough weight to change him? We'll see. But im an optimist so....

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16558270)
I'm leaning on their clout, stature and history of success being motivators for him to actually take to heart what they're telling him.

He has a real chance at success here. Surely he knows he's now playing for the best of the best.

That has to carry weight. It's impossible not to. Enough weight to change him? We'll see. But im an optimist so....

Exactly.

ToxSocks 10-27-2022 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16558268)
bills have a different mindset. They’re Super Bowl or bust right now

With Mahomes as our QB, the Chiefs are SB or bust every year.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16558264)
I'm not saying I'd bet on it either but I'm certainly more optimistic than you seem to be. :D

Yeah, optimism died down quite a bit once I realized "attitude problems" weren't just referring to assholish behavior.

dirk digler 10-27-2022 03:12 PM

Not sure why I didn't think about this earlier unless someone else posted it but he has to be healthy to be traded. Has to pass a physical for it to be official.

BleedingRed 10-27-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16558270)
I'm leaning on their clout, stature and history of success being motivators for him to actually take to heart what they're telling him.

He has a real chance at success here. Surely he knows he's now playing for the best of the best.

That has to carry weight. It's impossible not to. Enough weight to change him? We'll see. But im an optimist so....

You are also putting him in a WR room with JuJu/MVS two vets that have histories of playing in post season etc.

Add in Kelce/Mahomes the player have the gravity he might respect.

Then Andy Reids experience with helping young guys shed that ****ing thug crap.

Mecca 10-27-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BleedingRed (Post 16558250)
I'm just saying..... We have certainly had real bad ****ing issues in the past.

Well we no longer have patriot ****tards in the building so we're good now.

ToxSocks 10-27-2022 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16558265)
Yep. The actual playing football part doesn't bother me about this guy. But he's as bad news as it comes off the field and as a teammate by most accounts and reports.

He has more potential than Hardman. He is NOT just a gadget guy.

Haven't heard a peep about him as a teammate. You got a link or something for that?

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:13 PM

The bottom line is that this guy has ELITE potential. Like more potential than anyone else on that side of the ball.

Sure, there are issues but you can't scoff at giving up a pick at the very end of round 3 for that kind of potential. The upside is just so high it overwhelms any argument that could be made.

There's literally no downside to this move. If he ends up being a malcontent, they'll just get rid of him and they're out almost nothing.

ToxSocks 10-27-2022 03:17 PM

One thing worth mentioning is how shit the turf is at Metlife stadium.

Playing on a natural grass surface is another positive regarding his injury history.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:18 PM

He's not a cantankerous little rookie with a chip on his shoulder that just needs a stern talking to and veterans to help lead him. Trying to point to the prestige of playing with Mahomes or respect in the locker room or whatever doesn't mean nearly as much to a guy that doesn't care as much about football.

Kiimo 10-27-2022 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16558254)
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Alex Smith flashbacks.


I'd lose interest, too.

BigRedChief 10-27-2022 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558224)
Okay, so what's the excuse for his time at Florida?

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16558228)
Oh he has attitude problems, I'm not trying to say he doesn't.

It’s a gamble. But if it works out, it’s a cheap WR through 2025. If not we are out $1.9 million total. Our free 3rd and a 6th. This is a gamble we need to take.

In Veach we trust.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558288)
He's not a cantankerous little rookie with a chip on his shoulder that just needs a stern talking to and veterans to help lead him. Trying to point to the prestige of playing with Mahomes or respect in the locker room or whatever doesn't mean nearly as much to a guy that doesn't care as much about football.

But how do we know he doesn't care about football? Maybe he just didn't want to play for the Giants?

It's not so black and white.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 16558292)
It’s a gamble. But if it works out, it’s a cheap WR through 2025. If not we are out $1.9 million total. Our free 3rd and a 6th. This is a gamble we need to take.

In Veach we trust.

Exactly.

This regime has done nothing but earn our respect and admiration time and again.

It's well past time to trust them.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16558293)
But how do we know he doesn't care about football? Maybe he just didn't want to play for the Giants?

It's not so black and white.

Uhh, it's pretty well documented that even at Florida he appeared to have more interest in a rapping career than an NFL career. Nothing he's done with the Giants dispels that notion.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558296)
Uhh, it's pretty well documented that even at Florida he appeared to have more interest in a rapping career than an NFL career. Nothing he's done with the Giants dispels that notion.

Well, he's a Chief now. We'll see how it plays out.

The Franchise 10-27-2022 03:21 PM

Dude got drafted by the Giants when they were complete shit. Then dealt with an entire regime change and who knows how much of a prick they were when they first showed up.

If he acts like he has here....then he'll bounce around the league before washing out. If he succeeds then he'll make money. It's as simple as that.

ToxSocks 10-27-2022 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16558301)

If he acts like he has here....then he'll bounce around the league before washing out. If he succeeds then he'll make money. It's as simple as that.

I'll always remember Tyler Bray's quote as to why he joined the Chiefs as a URFA, "Because he gets guys paid".

I think Reid keeps it real and lets these guys know what's up.

Urc Burry 10-27-2022 03:24 PM

I mean the break on the out he has on Diggs looks like a madden glitch. I’m not sure there is a guy in the league who can move like him. I’m not going to hold my breathe on him ever being a consistent #1 receiver. But I’m excited

Kiimo 10-27-2022 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16558300)
Well, he's a Chief now. We'll see how it plays out.

For every touchdown he scores Tech N9ne sends him a new beat

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16558301)
Dude got drafted by the Giants when they were complete shit. Then dealt with an entire regime change and who knows how much of a prick they were when they first showed up.

If he acts like he has here....then he'll bounce around the league before washing out. If he succeeds then he'll make money. It's as simple as that.

Well Brian Daboll was hear under the regime that said they could get 52 guys off the street, so yeah, who knows how much of a prick he was.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:26 PM

So, really don't want to be THAT guy, but where is this notion coming from that Reid does well handling situations like this?

For the most part we just dump assclowns, not rehabilitate them.

BryanBusby 10-27-2022 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16558246)
Very good take. This is a huge bust potential, but if he can somehow grow up he could be a #1 WR on THIS team and more. I just don't like what I'm hearing about him as a person. For every Antonio Browns, there are a hell of alot more busts. I haven't been able to read much about what the conditional 3rd round pick is. If this is for a 3rd and a 6th no matter what I kind of think its too big of a risk. If it would have just bern a 6th is obviously a HR. I just find a hard time believing this guy won't figure a way to alienate himself outta the league eventually.

You guys are absurd. They dealt a very late 3rd rounder and are taking on minimal salary.

Huge bust potential is stupid as shit. Can he flop? Absolutely, but the loss would be minimal.

Mecca 10-27-2022 03:27 PM

Also WR's tend to lose interest when they get wide open and their QB would rather just run around.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 16558313)
You guys are absurd. They dealt a very late 3rd rounder and are taking on minimal salary.

Huge bust potential is stupid as shit. Can he flop? Absolutely, but the loss would be minimal.

Exactly.

There's no downside at all. No risk.

This move is almost 100% upside.

Mecca 10-27-2022 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558312)
So, really don't want to be THAT guy, but where is this notion coming from that Reid does well handling situations like this?

For the most part we just dump assclowns, not rehabilitate them.

We were "that" team for awhile...with all the problem players. You forget all about how people talked shit about all the pieces of shit we had?

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558314)
Also WR's tend to lose interest when they get wide open and their QB would rather just run around.

Run around and get strip-sacked.

JohnnyHammersticks 10-27-2022 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16558310)
For every touchdown he scores Tech N9ne sends him a new beat

He'd be thrilled, I'm sure. They're Bloods too if I'm not mistaken.

Skyy God 10-27-2022 03:30 PM

Trade conditions announced yet?

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16558320)
Trade conditions announced yet?

There are no conditions.

The Chiefs traded a compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd round plus a 6th rounder.

BleedingRed 10-27-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558312)
So, really don't want to be THAT guy, but where is this notion coming from that Reid does well handling situations like this?

For the most part we just dump assclowns, not rehabilitate them.

Desean Jackson, Mike Vick, Dawkins, Hill, there have been more too

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558317)
We were "that" team for awhile...with all the problem players. You forget all about how people talked shit about all the pieces of shit we had?

Specifics.

Peters? Traded him.
Hunt? Cut him.
Kelce? Just a massive douche out of college.
Hill? Either took incredibly bad legal advice or is just a massive piece of shit in his home life.

Nothing really applies all that well here.

raybec 4 10-27-2022 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16558246)
Very good take. This is a huge bust potential, but if he can somehow grow up he could be a #1 WR on THIS team and more. I just don't like what I'm hearing about him as a person. For every Antonio Browns, there are a hell of alot more busts. I haven't been able to read much about what the conditional 3rd round pick is. If this is for a 3rd and a 6th no matter what I kind of think its too big of a risk. If it would have just bern a 6th is obviously a HR. I just find a hard time believing this guy won't figure a way to alienate himself outta the league eventually.

It's a 3rd round pick. That hardly qualifies as a huge bust potential.

htismaqe 10-27-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16558326)
It's a 3rd round pick. That hardly qualifies as a huge bust potential.

It's not even a 3rd round pick, really. It's all the way at the end of the round, after everybody has taken their actual 3rd round picks. And it was a "free" pick anyway because Poles went to Chicago.

Mecca 10-27-2022 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558325)
Specifics.

Peters? Traded him.
Hunt? Cut him.
Kelce? Just a massive douche out of college.
Hill? Either took incredibly bad legal advice or is just a massive piece of shit in his home life.

Nothing really applies all that well here.

Frank Clark
Willie Gay

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16558330)
Frank Clark
Willie Gay

Uhh, considering they both just got suspended for various debauchery those probably aren't the best examples to use. Tolerating =/= helping to deal with.

notorious 10-27-2022 03:40 PM

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Titty Meat 10-27-2022 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 16558320)
Trade conditions announced yet?

Trip to Belize is included

Dunerdr 10-27-2022 03:43 PM

Super turtle said ak15. Why entertain the man who’s clearly just hating the move no matter what? The guy was a 3 star recruit qb in high school who converted to wr in college, did so well enough to be taken #20 over all. We gave up a pick technically between round 3 and 4 and a 6. I won’t be mad if all he does is kr and pr the next 3 years. Most of you are just upset about his hood attitude. Should it make you nervous? A little. But out FO and coach have surely vetted this move. Trust in the process.

Jamie 10-27-2022 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558325)
Hill? Either took incredibly bad legal advice

Strongly disagree, guilty or innocent he would have been crazy not to take that deal.

Megatron96 10-27-2022 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558325)
Specifics.

Peters? Traded him.
Hunt? Cut him.
Kelce? Just a massive douche out of college.
Hill? Either took incredibly bad legal advice or is just a massive piece of shit in his home life.

Nothing really applies all that well here.

Hunt, unless I'm mistaken, didn't get into trouble in KC until he went home to CLE and hung out with his boys and got staggering drunk. Otherwise, Hunt became an integral part of the offense as soon as he got his first start.

Kelce? He's just gone from 'complete douche' to the best TE maybe in NFL history.

Hill went from a gadget receiver/RB/ST player to an elite NFL WR.

Mike Vick. 'Nuff said.



Going back to his PHI years, Andy has probably turned around at least a dozen 'problem' players over his career. Several that he couldn't help as well I'm sure, but Andy has always been pretty good at turning around problem players.

raybec 4 10-27-2022 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16558061)
That's kind of apples and oranges. Hill had one very bad incident, or was convinced to plead guilty to it, and was otherwise relatively fine.

Toney OTOH seems to at the very least idolize some of the not so great aspects of a rapper lifestyle. Carrying a loaded AK 15 around for "protection", conducting himself like a blood on the interwebz, and his quite frankly dogshit opinion on the Ruggs tragedy are a bit concerning. Not to mention the struggles he had on the field with the Giants. Missing practices, not putting in enough effort to learn, constant injuries, etc.

There is incredible upside here, but there's also a slew of reasons the Giants gave up on it just a year and a half into his career. Just hope Reid can tone him back to the point he's productive for us.

What is an AK 15?

BWillie 10-27-2022 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16558326)
It's a 3rd round pick. That hardly qualifies as a huge bust potential.

Oh Im ok with a gamble, I was just hoping for a different WR we would trade for. I find it hard to believe they will still go after a WR despite what some talking heads have said.

I certainly prefer trading for Toney versus just standing pat and adding nobody I just think there were better options to help us this year. I imagine the Chiefs liked the potential and the fact they have him for 2024 and I believe 25 as well.

If this doesn't preclude us from getting OBJ and a pass rusher then perfectly happy with it.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 16558335)
Super turtle said ak15. Why entertain the man who’s clearly just hating the move no matter what? The guy was a 3 star recruit qb in high school who converted to wr in college, did so well enough to be taken #20 over all. We gave up a pick technically between round 3 and 4 and a 6. I won’t be mad if all he does is kr and pr the next 3 years. Most of you are just upset about his hood attitude. Should it make you nervous? A little. But out FO and coach have surely vetted this move. Trust in the process.

Where am I hating on the move "no matter what"? I've even said the low/medium risk is well worth the potential high reward. Just pushing back on the notion that this is anything like Reid has dealt with before. It's not, and it's going to take a hell of a lot of work and probably a bit of luck to get this dude to play up to potential.

Cosmos 10-27-2022 03:49 PM

Not the position I would have wanted to spend a third rounder on..

I suspect we’re getting Hardman’s replacement lined up…another fast WR who Pat will ignore because, like Mecole, he won’t know the play.

If it’s even close, Hardman will become a comp pick in 2024.

Cant wait for Andy to draw up a double flanker reverse with he and Hardman..ROFL

Hopefully, at the very least, he is a replacement for Moore on punt returns, and hold on to the ball.

Still want OL depth AND a pass rush.

DJ's left nut 10-27-2022 03:50 PM

Just a reminder on the comp pick stuff, fellas - it's still a formula.

If we sign as much as we lose, and judging by the potential cap space we would have next year, that's a distinct possibility, it will substantially reduce if not entirely eliminate any compensation picks we may receive.

Sassy Squatch 10-27-2022 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 16558342)
What is an AK 15?

LMAO Good Lord, I'm bad about that nowadays. Conflated AR 15 and AK 47. My bad.


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