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This organization is rotten. It’s real Wormtongue shit with Moe and DeWitt at this point. |
This accomplished absolutely nothing with leaving that clown in charge. Waste of ****ing time. Either you start fresh all around or not at all. The fact that the organization allowed MO to put the blame on Shildt is absolutely criminal. Will not spend a cent on this team next season due to this.
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they need one quality bat and one quality pitcher and they can possibly beat LA in a playoff series. Mo making those decisions also probably means he will make a bad choices on how to spend that $40 million. Assuming Liberatore and Gorman are contributing to their potential by the time the playoffs roll around. |
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Again Schildt is likely a good coach, he is not a good manager, there is a clear destination. |
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The Cardinals are set to announce Oliver Marmol as their next manager during a virtual news conference Monday morning. |
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I just want to remind you all what Mozeliak said about Shildt when he was promoted: Quote:
And now we have Mozeliak orchestrating some bullshit whisper campaign saying he was some stubborn old crank who wouldn't look at stats or some other such bullshit. Mozeliak wanted a puppet. He wanted someone he could make 'part of a committee' of decisionmakers. Wanna know how that works out? Look at the 'committee' of calculator geeks that managed to run out of arms despite a historically great staff in LA. Their 5th best reliever would've been our best and they're throwing starters in relief. Pitch Scherzer and Urias in bullpen starts? Why the hell not - surely that won't be an issue. Oh...well crap, he has a dead arm now. Bummer. I was told starters could be used as relievers without consequence. You absolutely cannot have the kind of organizational groupthink that DeWitt and Mozo seem to be striving for. This is scapegoating bullshit for a mediocre roster and made-up justifications for firing a guy who wouldn't kiss the ring. |
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They wanted someone compliant. And if Marmol ever finds his voice, they'll fire him as well. Nothing will change with Mozeliak in charge and Mozeliak will be in charge as long as DeWitt owns this team. |
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Mo was talking about how he decides on a bench coach. The dude is such a puppet that he doesn’t even get to pick his own bench coach. :sulk: |
What a piece of shit hire...wow. Mo put all the blame on Shildt to hire someone somehow even less qualified....WOW
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I mean this is infuriating that Shildt is the fall guy for Mos failures
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I’m just gonna hope this is an ‘emperor has no clothes’ moment for the massive segment of the fanbase that thinks Mozeliak is anything but a back-biting opportunist.
The guy is a conniving snake. He’s been in the game damn near 30 years and is no better at building a team than he was when he was first hired. He’s not a championship caliber executive. He’s just a politically savvy manipulator who’s charmed a billionaire. |
He's a coffee fetcher who has been exposed by Peter principle
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I’d rather JakeF assume control of the team than Mo
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If you aren't trying to make a major move then no it makes no sense to fire Schildt unless like you said he just wouldn't play their game. |
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You were looking for baseball reasons why the organization fired him. And I don't know why anyone bothered. Those reasons, IMO, are incredibly thin but ultimately they just didn't matter. Baseball had absolutely nothing to do with this decision. This was an ego and consolidation of power thing. Nothing less. Marmol was the obvious means to that end and was from the very beginning. |
https://www.ky3.com/2021/10/28/sprin...bY9T9feA8kOE40
A curious black bear roamed below a hunter sitting in a deer stand. It only took seconds for it to climb the tree he was in and have a taste. Dalton Roach pitched for the Springfield Cardinals in 2021. “It’s not totally uncommon for a bear to go into a tree with a hunter,” said Dalton Roach, adding he caught the whole encounter on camera. “But the fact he actually started gnawing on me and stuff, like that was a little abnormal.” The nearly 300-pound black bear bit the 25-year-old hunter in the back. With a paw in his lap and fresh puncture wounds, Roach realized he couldn’t panic. “I kind of pulled myself out and then stood around and turned, kind of in one motion to then face the bear and then just started yelling and hollering,” Roach explained. The bear lingered below the deer stand for another half hour before wandering off. Roach said he laughed about what happened with a friend on the quarter-mile trek back to his truck. “It’s one of those situations that obviously doesn’t happen every day,” Roach said. He went to the emergency room for treatment and a rabies vaccine, which he says hurt worse than the bite itself. Doctors doubt Roach will have a scar, but he certainly will have quite the story to tell. “I think it makes it a little less believable because I think people are under the impression if a bear bites you, you’re missing something,” Roach said. “So, it’s, along with it being a cool story, it can be an educational tool too.” |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Paul Goldschmidt is the 4th different @Cardinal 1B to win the Gold Glove.<br> <br>Albert Pujols (2)<br>Keith Hernandez (5)<br>Bill White (6) <a href="https://t.co/RiapIO3jFb">pic.twitter.com/RiapIO3jFb</a></p>— MLB Stats (@MLBStats) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBStats/status/1457521768177012736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tommy Edman is a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoldGlove?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoldGlove</a> winner for the first time. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> <a href="https://t.co/rSNn51Ie4a">pic.twitter.com/rSNn51Ie4a</a></p>— Bally Sports Midwest (@BallySportsMW) <a href="https://twitter.com/BallySportsMW/status/1457522023308185602?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow! The <a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Cardinals</a> just won three of the four Gold Gloves in the NL infield:<br><br>Paul Goldschmidt, 1B<br>Tommy Edman, 2B<br>Nolan Arenado, 3B<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a></p>— Tom Ackerman (@Ackerman1120) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ackerman1120/status/1457522793071919109?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Two <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoldGlove?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoldGlove</a> Awards in a row for Tyler O’Neill. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> <a href="https://t.co/iGfe2N6z6S">pic.twitter.com/iGfe2N6z6S</a></p>— Bally Sports Midwest (@BallySportsMW) <a href="https://twitter.com/BallySportsMW/status/1457527867882024964?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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5 ****in gold gloves and it took a miracle run to get into the playoffs ROFL
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">1B Paul Goldschmidt, 2B Tommy Edman, 3B Nolan Arenado, LF Tyler O'Neill and CF Harrison Bader have all won a Gold Glove for the <a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Cardinals</a>.<br><br>They're the 1st team in MLB history to have 5 Gold Glove winners in a season. <a href="https://t.co/9nfQ92fVV0">pic.twitter.com/9nfQ92fVV0</a></p>— ESPN Stats & Info (@ESPNStatsInfo) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1457528433727229960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Juan Yepez, Nolan Gorman, Lars Nootbar and Brendan Donovan in action tonight at 6 p.m. CST on MLB Network.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">⭐️ Your 2021 Arizona Fall League Fall Stars ⭐️<br><br>2021 AFL Fall Stars Game<br>📍 <a href="https://twitter.com/SaltRiverFields?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SaltRiverFields</a> <br>🕚 5:00 p.m. MST (7:00 p.m. EST)<br>📺 <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MLBNetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/JXApyBpB7j">pic.twitter.com/JXApyBpB7j</a></p>— MLB's Arizona Fall League (@MLBazFallLeague) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBazFallLeague/status/1458462080571297796?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 10, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to <a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Cardinals</a> corner infielder, Brendan Donovan for being this years West Division “Final Vote” winner! Brendan will be representing the Glendale Desert Dogs in the 15th annual Fall Stars Game! <br><br>Tune into MLB Network tomorrow at 5pm MT/7pm ET to watch live! <a href="https://t.co/VeynUZ80gs">pic.twitter.com/VeynUZ80gs</a></p>— MLB's Arizona Fall League (@MLBazFallLeague) <a href="https://twitter.com/MLBazFallLeague/status/1459238667029921797?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
https://redbirdrants.com/2021/11/01/...is-free-agent/
What do you all think about the idea of us signing Corey Seager? |
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:shake: Nobody comes in 2nd better than Mo and DeWallet. |
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NL Notes: Gorman, Brewers, Nationals
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/...nationals.html As the Cardinals look to add more hitting this winter, Nolan Gorman could be the latest homegrown prospect to emerge at the big league level. It isn’t yet clear, however, whether or not Gorman will need more Triple-A seasoning before he makes his MLB debut, as Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak told Benjamin Hochman of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “From an offensive standpoint, we’re really encouraged with what we’re seeing,” Mozeliak said, also noting that Gorman looked good at second base this season after previously playing only as a third baseman. Gorman hit .279/.333/.481 with 25 home runs over 523 cumulative plate appearances in 2021 — an .862 OPS in 195 PA for Double-A Springfield and then a .785 OPS in 328 PA for Triple-A Memphis. The 19th overall pick of the 2018 draft, Gorman’s bat looks like it provide a nice complement at second base with Tommy Edman, as Edman has provided excellent glovework but subpar offense over the last two seasons. Barring a major rookie breakout, however, Hochman doesn’t think Gorman himself will provide the offensive boost the Cards need, and Hochman wonders if moving shortstop Paul DeJong for a better hitter would be the answer. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Left-hander Steven Matz and the St. Louis Cardinals are in agreement on a four-year, $44 million contract, pending physical, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. Matz is coming off a career-best season and has a chance to get to $48 million and will receive a signing bonus.</p>— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1463379363534045186?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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I'm OK with the Matz signing if that's not Mo's only move for the rotation.
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Yep, if he’s healthy, not a horrible deal. All these FA deals in baseball are usually over paying deals. But with his history of injuries, could be wasted money. Stays healthy, could be a good innings eater.
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This is a lot more reasonable than I thought. Contrast that to 5/$80 he gave the righty version of Matz in Mike Leake. I think they could coax a few 2.5-3 WAR season out of him and about a 3.7 ERA over 165 IP. That’s not a bad return on that investment. The IPs are what concerns me most. I really don’t understand how a pitcher with his profile can’t average 6 IP/start. |
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So 4/$44 is racking on a pretty cheap year at the end of where I figured he’d be. The bar for success on this deal is 7 combined WAR, IMO. Get a 3 WAR season, a 2.5 season, probably a largely lost season in there somewhere and maybe another 1-2 win season with some short stints on the IL to wrap it up. |
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He’s actually been weirdly consistent if you ignore the COVID season. I’d have never expected that from him. |
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Cohen and the Mets are melting down about the Matz signing, all because they expected to be able to match the deal. Pretty hilarious stuff. Cohen just not putting together how his behavior could negatively impact his team's reputation and is encountering a rare problem in his life that money isn't solving.
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Alright, you guys let us that don't follow as closely know about this lockout that is being planned to start Wednesday. Is this going to be a short lockout or a lengthy one?
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The owners know they are not getting a salary cap. They almost killed baseball trying to get it in the 90’s. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Max Scherzer and the Mets are finalizing $130M, 3-year deal. Minor details to go only.</p>— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1465365012298485768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Jon Gray signing for 4/$56 is a risk I'd have been willing to take.
He's an awfully good complement to Matz. When both are healthy and productive they'd provide much different looks and Gray provides a nice floor given his health history and high-octane fastball. At $14 million/season (in an environment where Scherzer is getting $43 million), I think that's a very justifiable risk. |
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If you gave me a choice of Gray for 4/$56M or Kevin Gausman for 5/$110M, it would have been Gray hands down for me. |
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I wanted him, but that is insane money. Even as durable as he has been, he is still 38, 39, 40 in the years of that contract. |
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Sources: Texas Rangers land star shortstop Corey Seager on 10-year, $325 million deal. The Rangers have committed $561 million over the last 24 hours to free agents, the biggest free-agent spending spree in MLB history. |
That Bryce Harper deal looking better and better for the Phillies.
I know we talked about here, but goddamn Mozeliak missed a chance there. |
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How’d your new manager do last year? Did he seem to learn from his mistakes with the Cardinals? |
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The Twitter world is suggesting the Cards are still hoping for one out of two from Story or Stroman. Story’s non-Coors lines are not worth bragging home about but still think that he’d be an upgrade over DeJong if the price is right.
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Sosa's glove is GG caliber. Over a full season he's worth 3 wins on the basis of his defense alone. His contact skills are average and his patience is abysmal. But he was one of 3 players in MLB last year to put up a max sprint speed, max exit velocity and outs above average in the top 10% of baseball. That means he has elite raw speed, plus raw power and is a premium defender at a premium defensive position. I think over a full season you're probably looking at a .710ish OPS from him that's something along the lines of .260/.310/.400. That's about what Miguel Rojas gave the Marlins last year - nothing great, but it'll play. It's a wRC+ of almost dead average. And Rojas never showed the kind of power potential that Sosa showed in AAA in '19 (17 homers). In nearly 2400 ABs over his career Rojas has never hit a ball 110 mph - Sosa hit one 115 mph last season. He has far more natural power than Rojas and decent contact skills. That's a guy who can at least play at this level. So you give him a slightly better offensive profile than Miguel Rojas and GG defense at shortstop and you have a 4+ WAR player on your hands. Especially if he can improve his base-stealing technique. And if he could even creep that walk rate to 8%, you're really cookin'. Now if TON is for real and Carlson's late-season power development continues, and ESPECIALLY if Bader continues to turn the corner offensively (a process he actually started in '20) - you can easily afford to carry Sosa's bat. Suddenly that team is genuinely good, especially if Yepez/Gorman/Noot can provide viable punch at DH. They still don't have a true leadoff hitter in the lineup, but Story doesn't solve that problem anyway (I still say you see if you can get any traction moving Jordan Walker or Nolan Gorman for CJ Abrams). So pass on Story and get a deal done with Stroman. Now you have Stroman and Matz, not to mention Hudson, Wainright and Mikolas, who all have extreme ground ball tendencies backed by one of the better defensive infields in decades. Then you work on guys like Reyes and Hicks. You get Reyes to trade velocity for command and get Hicks to trade velo for movement. Now you have both guys working at 95-96 with the ability to coax playable contact instead of walking guys (Reyes) or taking 17 pitches to get anyone out (Hicks) and you can see if they could actually develop into rotation options long-term. Stroman is the right answer here. But don't forget to block him on social media because he'll just piss you off. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/stlcards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#stlcards</a> draft OF with STL ties in the first round of MiLB Rule 5: Ben DeLuzio was born in St. Louis. An undrafted free agent (2016) who had been in Arizona's system, DeLuzio went to high school in Orlando, played at Florida State. He's 27 with a career .363 OBP in minors.</p>— Derrick S. Goold (@dgoold) <a href="https://twitter.com/dgoold/status/1468662584828117000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> select RHP Carlos Guarate in the minor league Rule V draft from the San Diego Padres.<br><br>RH, 21 yo<br><br>Career 174 2/3 IP<br>4.33 ERA, 1.294 WHIP, 7.2 K/9, 2.3 BB/9<br><br>2021 (A/A+) 99 IP<br>5.91 ERA, 1.404 WHIP, 7.0 K/9, 2.0 BB/9</p>— Ben Cerutti (@stlfanbc7) <a href="https://twitter.com/stlfanbc7/status/1468663716732231680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pirates lose OF Jonah Davis to Cardinals in Rule 5. <br><br>Liover Peguero said Davis had best bat flip in Pirates system: "He hit a bomb and just threw the bat. He pointed to the dugout like, ‘I ****ing told you.’ Before the game, he said, ‘I’m gonna hit a bomb.’ That was crazy."</p>— RobBiertempfel (@RobBiertempfel) <a href="https://twitter.com/RobBiertempfel/status/1468665598288830471?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> select LHP Nelfri Contreras in the minor league Rule V draft from the Dodgers organization.<br><br>LH, 23<br><br>Career 139 2/3 innings<br>4.19 ERA, 1.561 WHIP, 8.5 K/9, 5.0 BB/9<br><br>At A ball in 2021 had 47 1/3 innings<br>3.80 ERA, 1.585 WHIP, 8.9 K/9, 4.8 BB/9</p>— Ben Cerutti (@stlfanbc7) <a href="https://twitter.com/stlfanbc7/status/1468665856859119617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">'Heir Jordan' 😎<a href="https://twitter.com/Cardinals?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Cardinals</a> third base prospect Jordan Walker is our latest cover athlete.<br><br>BA Insiders can access the issue early now in our app: <a href="https://t.co/OkJBVSo5wS">https://t.co/OkJBVSo5wS</a> <a href="https://t.co/vUZjDOL2IS">pic.twitter.com/vUZjDOL2IS</a></p>— Baseball America (@BaseballAmerica) <a href="https://twitter.com/BaseballAmerica/status/1468271589766705156?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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International prospect list
St. Louis Cardinals ($6,262,600) Jonathan Mejia, SS, Dominican Republic Luis Rodriguez, C, Venezuela Leonel Sequera, RHP, Venezuela Arfeni Batista, SS, Dominican Republic Junior Chirinos, RHP, Venezuela Won-Bin Cho, OF, South Korea Diego Dominguez, RHP, Mexico Jovi Galvez, RHP, Dominican Republic Yordy Herrera, LHP, Dominican Republic Yordarlin Pena, OF, Dominican Republic Jose Suriel, RHP, Dominican Republic Nelfy Ynfante, RHP, Dominican Republic |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Three Cardinals prospects landed in <a href="https://twitter.com/BaseballAmerica?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BaseballAmerica</a>'s Top 100 list:<br><br>▪️3B Jordan Walker (No. 24)<br>▪️INF Nolan Gorman (No. 34)<br>▪️LHP Matthew Liberatore (No. 50) <a href="https://t.co/l0Do6MlkvQ">https://t.co/l0Do6MlkvQ</a> <a href="https://t.co/bkCARpjp9S">pic.twitter.com/bkCARpjp9S</a></p>— Cardinals Player Development (@CardsPlayerDev) <a href="https://twitter.com/CardsPlayerDev/status/1483871705957376000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 19, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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3 top 50 guys is nice, especially when Walker's come with a bullet.
Burleson, Yepez, Donovan and Herrera are all on the cusp of that list as well. Herrera is still pretty green, Burleson has defensive issues that may keep him off it and Yepez/Donavan both have pedigree questions as well as fairly short track records of success. But any of those guys could take big jumps forward next year. And if Thompson's adjustment to leaning into his slider takes (and if he can just get his feet under him in AAA after a crazy aggressive promotion from A+) he might make his way back into the top 100 as well. All told it's a pretty standard Cardinal prospect list apart from the hitter/pitcher breakdown being flipped. There's always more strong depth in the system than super high end guys. |
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