I would be very curious to see how much % of the posters the board would lose if the powers-to-be decided to remove the DC, while maintaining the current zero-tolerance policy on political posts on the lounge. Basically just do away from politics.

I don't think it will kill the traffic, because this board has a lot of users. But I am aware that I don't have the evidence or numbers to prove that theory, and I am not privy to the conversations the mods/admins if they ever discussed that scenario.

And I've told you I've read the man's books and understand how it ties to communism and fascism while fundamentally opposing base liberal values like property rights and individual sovereignty.

Which you consider 'right wing'

The problem isnt that I dont know what marxism is. YOU dont know what liberalism is.

There’s probably 40-50 people that would be affected. But they’ll never make that change, even though it would make the board a better place.

It's been bounced around. There are several "DC Only posters" that never leave the forum, ever. My suspicion is, several of them don't know what a football looks like.

There are plenty of other Chiefs boards and other social media sites these days. Instead of trying to make this one just like all the others, why not just try them out?

Ironically the only reason I started posting there was because I got a bit tired of people telling me to kill myself over things like my belief that Brandon flowers was better than Terrence copper.


I actually found DC LESS hostile than the main forum back when KC was bad... or when every thread turned into an arguement about alex smith.

Hell, last year I bailed because this forum had a huge chris jones hate squad insisting he was THE problem with the defense.

Its annoying to argue with a dozen people all barfing out that kind of dumbassary

Those people should be restricted as DC scum.

There’s also some who don’t contribute at all and don’t run away to their board without letting one contribute (looking at some one who’s username is similar to JacoTohn).

Heh, how's that theory working for you today?

It all started on the KC Star board. It was, in fact, politics that led to the creation of CP in the first place.

The mods there took a heavy hand, not only moderation politics but moderating anybody that was against the heavy moderation.

The idea with DC was to have a sandbox where politics could exist but keep it walled off from the Lounge. I don't think anybody really anticipated that the vitriol of the 2000 election was a tiny snowflake compared to the avalanche that American politics is 20 years later.

Oh hell yes that good stuff.

Replace “Chiefs boards” with political sites and take your own advice?

The people that spend 100% of their time in DC aren't the problem. We don't ever see them.

It's the people that bring that stuff into the Lounge that this thread is about.

There’s DC scum that makes their way here on occasion...

All of this division will lead to the great healing of 'Murica...

As for it happening on a sports board, since the primary employees of "sports" are so politically active and expressive, it's not much of a stretch to see it cascade into the fans.

Not so well. You could burn that forum to the ground for all I care. Its toxic as hell and a superbowl win got the football people to lighten the **** up in the lounge.

True that.

Or not.

Of all the sports message boards I’m active on, this is the only one that has a political subforum.

This shit has been enabled for decades.

I thought the number would be low, and I feel that it wouldn't impact negatively in terms of the traffic the board gets. And I agree with you that it probably would make the board a better place.

Wouldn't surprise me. As I mentioned, I am not privy to those conversations, but if I may ask, what were the pros and cons of said discussion? Us general users who aren't moderators/administrators don't know of the conversations that was discussed/held.

I'm not being snarky or anything like that, just genuine asking. Like for example, when it was mentioned about the Feds getting involved on a incident, I'm sure it caused a lot of anxiety for you guys? I can imagine that doing away DC would alleviate some of potentional problems there?

I'm just trying to throw out solutions.

Well if this bothers you, go back to one of the other boards and discuss the shape of sports employee's cleats.

Admittedly I have been coming here less and less because all this political shit seeps into the football threads and if I want to be pissed off I can just post on reddit

I come here to talk Chiefs not see people say crazy shit

You’re so ****ing stupid lmao

You and Pat’s attitude are the problem.

This is a football message board, and you expect the people that actually talk football to walk away so the fringe 40 members out of 10k can argue in their echo chambers.

Yeah, CP was created before my time (my account creation), so I do not know the history on the KC Star board. On one hand, that's good about the politics that did lead to the creation of CP in the first place.

But there's also comes a time where it ran its course and it probably needs to be on the wayside?

On the other hand, on past Presidential elections (prior to 2016), was it bad as its alleged to be right now? I don't know as I don't venture over to DC anyways.

2000 was pretty bad. The last 10 years or so, though, make 2000 look friendly by comparison.

To be honest, there has never been a deep long discussion about it, but I have seen it brought up a few times. Perhaps there needs to be?

You're being an ass. Tap-Out acknowledged.

It was lively, but nothing like it is now.

Wait, you come here, willfully walk into the DC, then get mad about being in the DC.

Put down the crack pipe... Stay in the lounge, you're emotions will be much safer.

Avoid Whitlock threads...

Do we have some rule against lurking? Why is it a problem that some members only post in DC? Those people obviously aren’t the ones cause the politics in the Lounge problem.

I don’t go to DC. The sludge seeps out to the Lounge.

I’m not the one trying to make changes here to make it more like everywhere else, so that makes no sense.

I think it matters enough to note this: burning DC down wont solve the problem.

Athletes, sports networks, and sports leagues have all opted integrate politics into sports. That makes it hard to eliminate the potential for political talk railroading threads.

CP is nothing like other sites, even if we eliminate trash like yourself.

Echos of the dehumanization your people have endured at various times in history. Congrats.

DC isnt centering politics on my TV during sports.

The leagues are. This is WHY people dont like political messaging in their sports. Its divisive.

Best thing the mods could do is to eliminate DC on election night.

I’ll donate to the next server upgrade if it happens and is permanent.

Why so uncivil?

Suck my dick.

How’s that for uncivil?

As someone else mentioned, the reason for this thread is, there are some people who can't resist bringing DC crap into the lounge. It's like their brain freezes up and they have an uncontrollable impulse to post something political.


Roughly half our reported posts have something to do with politics. Either someone is butt hurt over something someone posted in DC (sometimes justified, sometimes not) or someone posted something political in the Lounge.

Noted this several weeks ago and got shouted down.

Here we are.

Ironically, take a look at the two-three who have the most posts in this thread...DC regulars.

Only the ones who find CP unbearable, just like it’s always been.

If you knew a football from your own ass, maybe you’d be welcome in the lounge?

Heh, you were a fly on the wall for years in the mod lounge. I think you have better idea than most what we deal with. LMAO

One of them is probably me. I've never reported anyone and, to my knowledge, have never been reported.

NOR do I post politics in the lounge. Except this thread where I've attempted to have a conversation and have been entirely cordial to those who haven't insulted me. If you insult me, I'll call you a **** and tell you to **** off regardless of topic.

But I wont report you.

You may be thinking of 2004 when RINGLEADER and jAZ spammed the forum with multiple threads per day. That’s when BIG DADDY changed sides and advocated splitting politics from the Lounge. We had had several such votes that rejected the idea based on CP tradition and the Star board experience, but for some reason the pro-split guys got bite after bite at the apple and, with BIG DADDY’s support they finally won and DCHL was born.

Yep.

FWIW, you weren’t even on my radar.

I know who you're talking about.

My point was you may be painting with too broad of a brush.

The mere fact that I didn’t like the idea of drafting Geno Smith puts me ahead of a pretty big chunk of the football geniuses in the Lounge. But I have no problem admitting I don’t know as much about football as some. Big deal. :shrug:

No, I know about DC.

2000 on the Star board, which led to the creation of CP, was worse than 2004 or 2008.

The whole reason to create DC in 2004 was to avoid what happened at the Star.

If it were allowed, politics would easily takeover football in the main forum, just like it did at the Star. The other binary option was to ban politics altogether, which is what the Star chose, and ultimately led to a mass exodus to CP.

The DC Lounge was the compromise.

Yep, same here.

Can't hurt. I mean, have to start somewhere, yes?

Based on the bolded part, was the reported posts evenly between DC and the Lounge? Or were the reported posts were heavily in one forum side?

Just for a sake of discussion, do you think that half of the reported posts would be slashed to a miniscule of it if DC were to go away?

Okay, now since you mentioned that, I now understand the dilemma here....

This is the actual truth of what has taken place. And I’ll admit to a minor adjustment to my thinking on the DC forum: I was totally against for the historical reason given here and, later on, because segregation of the subjects seemed to be creating the divide between posters that we are now seeing. When in a single forum you jump from a political subject you disagree on to a thread about the Chiefs (or any subject for that matter) that you do agree on the hatred doesn’t build as rapidly, or at all. Where as segregated forums where it is easy to lock into a general topic, people tend to find themselves focused on those topics ruling their passions at the moment and eventually a habit forms.

But as politics has become apart of sports and every other aspect of life, it is seeping (flowing?) back into the general discussion forum. And. Ow you have all of the animosity full fledged here as well.

My minor adjustment I alluded to is that the segregated forums brought about extra animosity to this board but, in reality, given the way life has played out, that would have eventually happened anyway, the segregation just brought it about faster. Which ultimately supports my original position of keeping it all one forum.

OK, that makes sense. Rep...

That mass exodus wouldn’t happen today, because the people it would upset offer no value to the board as a whole.

There’s over 10k members here and the decision to keep DC is being driven by *maybe* 40 people.

You’ve been around a long time - longer than me - how does this board suffer if DC is eliminated and politics is banned from discussion?

Has there ever been a thread started/posted and "stickey-d" by a mod that ends up in the RR or DC?

I am thinking this thing showing up on top of the Lounge is giving a few heart burn.
Keep politics out of the lounge................

Trust me, it wasn't an easy decision. There wasn't really a great answer.

Ok, as to your memory about 2000 and the actual exodus.

But there were several votes to segregate political content that all met with failure before RINGLEADER and jAZ proved to be too much for some, so there was plenty of sentiment against segregation among the original and early members. There was no compromise unless it was discussed in secret by the mods at a time when the mods generally respected the votes of the community.

Keep in mind, this decision was made 16 years ago (to create DC). This board wasn't then what it is now by any stretch.

Without going into the Mod Lounge and digging deep, I would say roughly 65/35 Lounge-DC. With that said, a lot of the reports were coming as a result of the Lounge Covid thread.

Maybe I’m getting old, but I think I forgot about any of the DC stuff happening on the old Star board. I remember a bunch of us getting banned (myself included) for little things and it got to a point where we were doing it on purpose at the end.

:thumb:

Which is why it needs to be addressed now, “tradition” be damned.

DC was the compromise to a certain extent. The Star had two choices - allow all political talk in the main forum (since there was only one) or eliminate it altogether. Both choices would have led to the inevitable destruction of the board, at least as it related to football.

Despite the outcry from many CP members that our "tradition" demanded it be kept in the Lounge, a lot of regular posters had a problem with it being so prevalent amongst the football topics. And it wasn't just a couple of people, nor would it have remained just a couple of people.

Like I said, it wasn't a decision we made lightly and probably not a decision I'd ever want to be involved in again.

Why is it so hard for you to ignore opinions you disagree with. Just stay out of DC and you won’t have any problems. I don’t really think you’re cut out to hold your own in there anyway so it would probably be for the best.

It was a minority of people as evidenced by the series of polls that all failed.

If the trash would stay there, it wouldn’t be an issue now would it?

I don’t go there. The garbage leaks through the bag.

Yeah, I wasn't expecting you to do all the heavy lifting, I just wanted some rough ideas where the reports were coming from, from your own experience.

Of course, on the other hand, 2020 is a unique year, which I anticipate the reason why the uptick of the reports, because of the situation we're in with this COVID going on.

I would have to imagine that if it wasn't a Presidential election year on top of COVID, the reports wouldn't be as high as you folks are experiencing right now.

And it got bad enough that the polls eventually succeeded.

People here (and everywhere) tend to push the envelope until somebody makes them stop.

I used to post in DC and on very rare occasions I might drop in so I think it has some value.

What I longed believed in though is those non-Chief fans that don't participate in the Lounge should be perma-banned or make DC read only for them. Doesn't matter what side of the political aisle they are on, they are here to troll and provide zero value.

I think you would see a change in tone\vitriol once that happens IMHO.

Just my .02 cents.

I agree, except the problem isn’t necessarily non-Chiefs fans. Wanna post in DC? You’re stuck there.

It’s a football board. Decide why you’re here and stick with it.

Not that I know of, but after 20 years, it's possible. I think we are giving this thread a little more slack to get things out there, pertaining to politics. I mean if someone keeps going on a political rant, we can just boot them from the thread.


There was a guy last week that couldn't control himself and kept posting political stuff in the Lounge. We ended up getting multiple reports about it and he got booted out of some threads. I was ready to drop him into the romper room when he did it again, but he stopped.

Agreed. It would cut down on the shitposters in DC, but wouldn't do much for the lounge issue.

That's only because you blackmailed me with those embarrassing college photos.

I was young. It was a different time!

LMAO

This is a terrible solution.

Why punish people who follow the rules as well?

If it breaks you, report it to the moderators and maybe they’ll help. It seems extreme to ban an entire sub forum that you don’t even visit. Also, you might want to avoid politicized NFL games.

This is something that seriously needs to be pointed out. While vitriol of DC has had a big carry over impact on the main forum, the main forum is far from innocent. I found myself through life being life spending less time here than I did back in the day (I was a top 15 poster from a post count perspective). I attempted to make a serious effort several years back to become more active again. Now, in all fairness, the Pioli years and the Indy playoff loss (the last one, where we had a 3 TD lead in the 3rd qauarter) took a serious toll on me. However, any time I attempted to come back after that I couldn’t run into a NFT where people on the opposite sides of the Alex Smith debate didn’t start going at each other and ultimately turning a non-chiefs related topic into an Alex Smith debate.

I just got done posting about how the separate political forum has contributed to the animosity on this board but, it does a disservice to the board to not acknowledge that the animosity has come from more than just the political side. It’s time you Lounge snobs acknowledged your own part in this mess.