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Is this all you ****ing do? Kill yourself loser.

When the **** have I EVER shit on Reid?

You’ve shit on Reid and Mahomes before, not me bubba.

Shitting your pants about the Texans and Will ****ing Fuller just a couple days ago.

You can go ahead and commit that too.

you have doubted every facet of this franchise this year

I see the word "appreciation" in the thread title. I didn't know that meant people can only say good things about the flawless andy reid even if that means stating dubious things about his record and that nobody else could disagree about anything. I never came in here to shit all over andy. just to point out a flaw that some people were glossing over in my opinion.

Why can't we appreciate the good things about andy reid but still recognize the flaws? I think my opinion is more suited for this thread b/c I'm not one of the people that hates andy and thinks he is terrible so an "Andy reid sucks" thread doesn't really fit what i'm trying to say.

Go ahead and show me a post where I’ve doubted Reid or Mahomes.

I’ll wait...

Love Big Red and the hope he has brought to the Kingdom.

My greatest dream this off season is that Andy pulls out all the stops and does not let off the gas at any time over the next 3 games. Show the league that there is no question that the Chiefs are the next dynasty the rest of the league has to put up with for years to come!

Can we just talk about the brilliance of this post instead?

I mean look, I know I could talk about it in THAT thread, but that's boring. It already exists there. Or I could just drag it over here and we can point out how exceptional it is.

I mean damn Clay, that's just real nicely done sir.

It’s worse when you don’t know the difference between “exorcise” and “exercise.”

In your version, Andy is whipping a bunch of demons running on a treadmill, dipshit (hat tip: Marcellus).

Now you can be so clever and make another Andy Reid fat reference. We’re waiting.

Twisted has his book of Fst Andy excuses open just in case. Just admit that you have an infatuation with the cool aid man. Is it that hard for you to do that?

“Kool Aid,” not “cool aid.”

I hope you get cool AIDs though.

thank you sir

but it's only a model

From What's Right with Nick Wright. "Andy Reid has the most to lose this weekend." How many more headlines do you want because there are plenty.

Lazy talk show narrative should always determine policy.

I'm convinced that morons like you secretly wish with every fiber of your being, that we lose this weekend. You want it so bad just so you can prance around on a message board proclaiming yourself to be smarter than everyone else because you KNEW "fat Andy" was going to **** it up.

You're a selfish, shallow person that doesn't deserve to enjoy any success that this team accomplishes.

You're total argument is some headlines? Did you seriously just out yourself as a knee-jerk non-independently thinking parrot?

Nice job there, genius.

You're total argument is some headlines? Did you seriously just out yourself as a knee-jerk non-independently thinking parrot?

Nice job there, genius. Can you roll over and play dead too?

I have a better idea. Lets play a game of **** off. You go first.

And Lovers just please, like other posters have said, ADMIT that Fat Andy is known for his playoff blunders. I admit it and I hope Mahomes and company kick ass. Im sure you 2 are related to Fat Andy that's why you get all crazy like a teenage girl :(

"What's behind Chiefs coach Andy Reid's struggles in the playoffs?"
"Andy Reid's 5 Biggest Blunders as the Philadelphia Eagles' Head Coach"
"Andy Reid’s history of clock mismanagement in the NFL playoffs has often helped the Patriots"
"Andy Reid's offensive brilliance still can't overcome his baffling decision making"
And on, and on, and on, and on...... Do you want more article headlines... Asking for a friend

Ever wonder why it came down to that? How about that Goose Egg Andy called in the first half? Maybe had he coached with his head out of his ass the entire game, we win that game walking away.

But go ahead and bang the one play cost us the game drum you ****ing idiot. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you'd be able to make it through a day without shitting in your pants.

Tell your handler to log you the **** out before you embarrass yourself any further.

Oh no, couldn't do that. I always let the dumber player go first.

Jimmy:

How important is clock management for a coach? Where do you think it ranks? Is it the most important thing a coach can do? Is it around the middle? Bottom?

Honestly, imo, it would rank in the middle... I have heard Saban, Belichick and Jimmy Johnson talk about how critical clock management is right before half and the 4th qtr of games. I truly want Reid and the Chiefs to win one SB so everyone can get off our back...

Clock management vaults to the top of the list late in tight games. Wasting timeouts, leaving too much time on the clock for the opposing qb, these things lose you games.

Vrabel's cheesing of repeated penalties to steal nearly 2 minutes of clock on a 4th down against Belicheat was crucial to them winning that game. I doubt Reid was even aware you could do something like that.

I think my favorite aneurism from Andy this year was after the tits went up one, and were about to go for 2 with 23 seconds left in the game, he burned a timeout before the 2pt try.

Like....how ****ing reeruned can you be. Somehow, despite that unfathomable dumbassery, Pat still got us to fg range with just 2 left.

he's a dumb mother****er. I don't know why y'all are bothering with this numbnuts.

But your love for the fat one makes you brilliant.... Got it.

Okay. And let's say he burns 2 minutes like he did. He's only up by one point. And as much as we make fun of him, Tom Brady is still Tom Brady and only needs a field goal. What if the Patriots burn clock and get timely first downs on their drive and kick a field goal with less than 30 seconds left? Boy, it sure would be nice to have those 2 minutes back, wouldn't it?

Most "clock management" decisions are nothing more than picking a strategy for victory and hoping for the best. Unless you're snapping the ball with like 10 seconds on the playclock for each play when you're up 28 in the 2nd half (just as much an Alex Smith problem of being a ****ing reerun as Andy Reid) just about any strategy you use for working the clock in a close game can just as easily bite you in the ass as it can seal your victory.

Vrabel chose the strategy that pissed off Belichick. That's all he did. It happened to be the correct choice. Maybe if he doesn't burn the clock the Titans STILL win. Who can say.

All I know is that Eagles fans are ****ing reeruned when they talk about clock management, and if you're going to sacrifice all the great characteristics of Andy as a coach so you can have a guy with this supposedly great "clock management" you might be as stupid as they are.

Running the football is not always about being productive. It's about making the defense think more, it's about helping the offensive line get a rhythm, it's about protecting your defense and allowing them to get crucial rest, etc.

And it's about wearing out the opposing defense. If Hunt ran the ball 12 times in the first half, and again in the second half, he likely would have started to make big gains. Why? Because the opposing defense gets tired. Because he is a extremely talented RB that needs the ball to display why he led the league in rushing.

But regardless of second half possessions, Reid never gave Hunt or the offensive line a chance to be successful running the ball. It's just poor coaching and game planning.

No matter how much this league develops dominant passing offenses, stopping the run game in the playoffs will always be important to winning it all. More often than not Reid basically does the opposing defense's job for them.

I am extremely grateful for Andy Reid choosing to take the KC job. He was such an improvement over what we had in the years prior. And I will forever be grateful for his roe in drafting and developing Mahomes.

My wish as a fan is always to win a Championship. Whether it's the Jayhawks, Royals, or the Chiefs. Marty took over a laughingstock and turned it into a perennial playoff team. But after a decade without a SB ring, or even a SB appearance, fans were ready to move on. I don't remember anyone championing the Keep Marty Movement at the time.

Marty is arguably a better coach than Reid, but no one excused his flaws then, so I don't understand why everyone continues to go such great lengths to excuse Reid's flaws now.

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Andy can drop a deuce in one of my bathrooms without using toilet spritz. My love is real.

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A) In no universe is Marty a better coach than Reid. There's literally not a single data point that would support it.

B) The myth that 'running wears out the defense' has been so thoroughly disproven at this point that it barely warrants mentioning. You know what wears out a defense? Having to chase guys around the field. Or having to rush upfield to get after a QB. The vast majority of defensive players are bigger than any RB they'll ever tackle - you really think they'd rather chase one of those guys out of the backfield than get in their stance and hit 'em?

Do you not remember Jalen Ramsey or Chris Harris needing oxygen late in games after chasing our guys around? Von Miller with his hands on his knees because he was just gassed trying to get upfield? You're preaching 30 year old dogma with that stuff, man. And if you've listened to some of the old DL on TV or radio lately, they'll all say 'man, we hated having to chase those guys around the field...'. In the end, your logic just doesn't past the sniff test.

And that's without getting into the number of 'causation vs. correlation' arguments that have been done to death on running the football. Yes, teams with high run totals largely win the game, but they almost always have high run totals BECAUSE they were winning the game. There's no statistical support to the idea that 'establishing the run' pays dividends later on.

Additionally, you don't have to run the football much at all to 'make the defense think more'. Again, studies have been done on the effectiveness of play action as it relates to the amount of runs you attempt. Bottom line is that you only have to run often enough to establish running as a credible threat for things like PA to be effective. Andy has always done that. Moreover, the short passing game is equally effective at drawing down safeties/LBs to open up deeper strikes and Andy has always excelled at that as well.

And yes, stopping the run is important. Stopping the pass is MORE important and it's not even close, especially when you look at things like EPA. Andy continues to run the ball often enough to not do significant damage to his ability to pass it. And by passing it he's yielded FAR higher EPA figures and offensive efficiency numbers. So you say he's 'doing the defenses job for them' by stopping his own run, but the inverse of that is he's putting a TON more pressure on them by throwing it. It's simply a better way to move the football the vast majority of the time. He runs often enough to keep teams honest and that's truly all that matters.

You think its simple coincidence that the teams with the best QBs are the squads constantly winning championships? The outliers are the times that a running team goes out and owns. And the Ravens are just an exceptionally extreme version in that they ARE as efficient running as they are passing, but there's not another team in football that comes close to that sort of result.

Y'all are clinging to old saws to inform your opinion of how the game should be played. Meanwhile, it's leading you to argue that the dude who is widely seen as the most innovative offensive mind in football is some mouth-breathing idiot who forgets who to win games.

You're essentially among the ancient Greeks looking to burn Pythagoras as a heretic. The earth's round, bub. And running the football doesn't 'wear out the defense' anymore than passing the football does.

Wow. Now that is some stupid ****ing shit I just read.

You believe that constantly having to hit and bring down running backs, (especially in cold weather) is less taxing on a defense than just chasing a bunch of receivers around.

OK dipshit.

Sure, ignore the comments from former players and the numbers themselves. There is NO correlation between running the ball early and defenses playing less effectively later. None at all.

Because gang-tackling some dude who's picking through a line who you probably outweigh by 40 lbs doesn't take much out of a guy who's body is conditioned for contact. Moreover, it takes just as much out of the RB who takes the blow.

Guys like Derrick Henry are EXTREME outliers. And guess what? He WASN'T why the Titans won. They ran and ran and ran and ran and guess how many points they scored in the second half of that Patriots game when the Pats should've been 'worn down' by having to tackle that mountain of a human-being?

Yeah - you guessed it - zero. Not a single ****ing point apart from the Brady pick-six. Nothing Derrick Henry did in the second half 'tired out' the defense. They simply gang-piled him then did it over and over again. The Titans defense and Tom Brady are why the Patriots lost that game, not Derrick Henry.

Like I said, you're just a mouth-breathing neanderthal who won't pay attention to what any of the actual research on this topic has clearly shown.

Keep shouting into the darkness, hoss. No skin off my ass.

Leaving your defense on the field for long stretches of time is what wears out your defense.

It's the snap count.

To eat clock and move the chains, most teams run the ball along with a controlled, short passing game.

A tired defense probably doesn't want to have to tackle a physical back like Henry.

They're tired. He's big. It hurts.

Some of you guys are looking at this from an either/or angle, when like most things in life and football, it's BOTH.

They wouldn't want to chase Jamaal Charles in his prime in the 4th quarter either, although Charles would likely take one to the house and they'd at least get a breather.

It's about the sustained drives whether they end in points or not. (IF you have a lead already. Points are better, of course, but wearing a defense out is about snap counts and time on the field without a breather.)

If you're a 190 pound DB, and you're exhausted in the 4th quarter, you don't want to see Derrick Henry's big, fast ass coming through the hole untouched with a head of steam coming at you. You just don't. You'll do your job if you can unless you're a total pussy, but you ain't gonna like it. It's demoralizing.

Think about how you felt as a fan last season, when the other team could just ram it down our defense's throats late in games and we couldn't stop them. If you were demoralized as a fan (and I know I sure was), imagine how it felt to be on the field. Knowing what they were going to do and being powerless to stop them.

Having a Derrick Henry to do it with is just the icing on the cake.

I'm talking about the 'large numbers' view - if you have a guy like Henry, try that approach. But again, even with Derrick Henry, it oftentimes doesn't make a difference - the Patriots game being a perfect example.

Because let's be honest, that 190 lb CB isn't gonna wanna see Derrick Henry running at him in the open field in the 1st quarter. That DB is NEVER going to want to hit a power back. A guy like Peters is gonna make a business decision in the 1st quarter the same as the 4th. A guy like Breeland is going to try to hit him in the 4th same as the 1st. I just don't buy that they're appreciably less likely to go make a tackle UNLESS, as you've noted and as was demonstrated in that playoff game, they just cannot get off the damn field.

So again, if we're talking about that Titans game, the Chiefs were moving the ball really well in the 1st half - there was no reason at all to change that up. And then they were running the ball in early downs on the first couple of drives in the 2nd half before they got behind the sticks (where it would've made no sense to continue running). You do what you're best at to keep them on the field - you don't just mindlessly plow into them because you think you'll wear them out later.

In the Andy Reid era the Chiefs, even when they had Hunt and Smith, were a FAR more efficient team moving the ball through the air. The value of a good running game is in its simplicity - the ability to just hand a dude the ball when your passing game (which requires far more moving parts/timing) is just out of sync. It isn't in its ability to 'wear defenses down'.

The idea that the guys who get hit by SOMEBODY roughly 50 times/gm are suddenly beat up because they had to tackle the average RB who's rarely coming at them at full speed and who rarely has a size advantage on them is just not supported by facts or logic. And if your CBs are out there making a bunch of tackles on RBs, it gets back to the previous point - your defense is probably just bad against the run and you're in trouble because of THAT, not because they're tired. There are outliers, yes - but they're not common.

Remember the Mahomes comeback in Denver? Chris Harris had to have an IV bc he was so exhausted.

He wore a Fitbit and said he ran about 15 miles bc of Mahomes extending plays.

Exactly! Reid's a great coach but his flaws are concerning since historically, they have killed his super bowl hopes. Like Andy, marty was able to get the most out of subpar talent, moreso on D than O whereas Andy does it moreso on O than D.

I'd have to look back at the games more carefully, but off the top of my head, I'm thinking Marty was more a victim of freak things like fumbles and missed FGs, which means that bad luck killed his super bowl hopes more than his flaws did (but understand that his flaws put him in a position where one freak thing could kill the dream). Freak things have certainly happened to andy (mariota throwing a freaking TD to himself and luck fumbling to himself for a TD), but his flawed game management and playcalling has cost him more in the big games.

I think you can argue either coach is better than the other and it would be a reasonable view. But what we all should really be able to agree on is that each coach is a great coach with deeply-concerning flaws. Andy is both a great coach and a flawed one. It's OK to admit both things.

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Imagine being so clueless that you think Marty is better than Reid.

these same idiots pining for marty think we lost the colts game because of the defense

or the steelers game in '16 postseason

As clueless as REFUSING to admit that Reid has a certain stigma when it comes to playoff football?

That's the thing - 5 years ago I'd have been right there alongside Wallcrawler with this argument. But then I saw guys, DBs especially, coming off the field with NOTHING left in the tank. And DEs tapping their helmets during drives where it was all passes because the drives upfield were sapping their legs.

So I studied. I looked into the research on it. And man this stuff is getting to the point of damn near unassailable - again, at least over large numbers. Then you saw the apex of the philosophy in some of those games last year when the offense was not only exhausting guys that week, but running them so ragged that the teams they were playing were suffering hangover effects the following week.

I ain't new to this game, this isn't an opinion I came into this world fully formed with. It's a product of seeing stuff on the field that made me take pause and investigate. And when you're willing to explore this stuff with an open mind you realize that so much of the stuff we've believed to be true for decades simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Then you start really listening to former players and they say some of the same things.

Bottom line is that there's no sense in arguing with people in the internet age. "Perry Mason Moments" where some dude confesses the error of his ways and breaks down just don't happen w/ the veil of anonymity the internet allows. When you engage in these debates, it's not for the benefit of the opponent, but rather for the benefit of other readers who may be reading this with an open mind.

Wallcrawler wishes to remain militantly ignorant. So be it - there's no law against it. If he wants to call anyone who shares a pretty informed contrary opinion to his a dipshit, well more power to him. Enjoy your flat earth, Chief. This limpwrist character has brought effectively nothing with him to the discussion apart from quoting headlines and pining for Martyball. I'm pretty sure he's a dupe account and if he's not, he's largely irrelevant as I have no independent recollection of him anyway. Glorydaze wants to sit in the peanut gallery and thumb-down posts while not adding any counter-points of his own.

These aren't your target audience. The knuckle dragger, the troll and the peanut gallery will not be swayed, no matter how hard you try.

But someone else might. Ultimately reading discussions similar to this is how I slowly came to change my mind on a lot of stuff like this. That and the fact that I have the intellectual curiosity to bother to inform myself.

Others don't. But that's their cross to bear and not mine.

Jeeeeezus ****ing Christ. Get over yourself. Get down off that soapbox before you fall and hurt yourself.

Simply because I view the defense getting the shit pounded out of them by having to go hit after hit with a rb (especially when its cold) as being more taxing than simply chasing after people with far less punishment, does not make me militantly ignorant. But please, continue to pound your chest like a shit slinging primate attempting the refuting a very basic concept that has been known since the inception of the ****ing game.

As for everyone in this and other threads that youre "saving" from "misinformation", well enjoy your imaginary little crusade. Frankly i can't think of an idea right offhand more pathetic, but hey, you do you.

What color cape would you like, as you save us all from thinking differently than you?

In the meantime, I hope that we don't buckle under the weight of these crosses we have to bear.

****ing unbelievable level of stupid.

First, I never quoted any headline - I think you have me confused with Jimmya. I just jumped into this because people were glossing over Reid's well-documented flaws. I'm not one of the people just shitting all over andy. My position is that he's a great coach but with some very concerning flaws. So i'm not just trying to be a contrarian troll - i can find some common ground with what most people are saying.

Second, I'm not pining for Martyball. I brought up Marty b/c I believe he was also a great coach with deeply concerning flaws that proved to be fatal to winning a super bowl. I agreed with ChiefsFanatic's point about how we can all admit Marty's flaws yet some people are glossing over Reid's (one poster is even trying to rewrite history to erase them). Since I believe that Marty's flaws were fatal to winning a super bowl, why would that be something I would pine for? Notice I never agreed with the point about wearing out a defense with the running game - i actually agree with Chris Meck that it is the snap count and keeping the D on the field that matters more.

Finally, I'm not a dupe account. You don't have a recollection of me b/c I'm a fairly new poster. I've been a lurker since 2011/2012 and before that I was a poster on Wild Bill's Chiefs since 1999 and then some on Chiefs Coalition. I just joined the fray to have solid conversations about football, but I hesitated doing this for many years b/c I was worried about getting dragged into stupid petty sidetrack arguments and name-calling, which has predictably occurred. And that's fine - i knew what i was getting into (instead of responding logically, I should have just responded by calling my critics butt****ing morons). For the record, it was the ball-powdering thread that won me over to chiefsplanet - that and I've seen how people here rally to help each other when in need and how most people here are actually good people despite being butt****ing morons on the internet.

I worry you missed the point.

Again - the willfully uniformed are no concern of mine. You know what you know and by god, that's how you likes it.

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Very possibly - I tend to gloss over the names on the side so if so, my apologies.

As for the rest...yeah, probably just lumped you in with the Jimmya guy. My bad, yo.

(But c'mon, I LIKED Marty and still defend him, but I can't see any fair argument to make that the dude was as good a coach as Reid - good coach who I feel has an undeserved historic rap because yes, he did get unlucky a couple of times - but not as good as Reid. )

Isn't Marty's and Reid's regular season winning percentage pretty close?

As the white knight of this thread already stated, you aren't going to change anyones mind.

DJs left nut contends that Andys failure to run the ball over several YEARS with his best backs (yes, efdectively stopping his own rushing attack) was all just fine, because rushing the ball doesnt tire out defenses, and throwing it all the time puts more pressure on them.

So every time we lost a game because Andy gave Jamaal 7 carries the whole game, well thats all fine, because passing is so much better, and really we only run the ball because we are winning, we don't run it to win, even though we've had all world backs on the team. Andy didnt screw up by ignoring these players, no.no. no. He was putting more pressure on the d by gameplanning his all world back out of the games.

Going away from Kareem Hunt. Totally fine. Rushing the football is EASIER on the defense. Yes. They would rather get pounded all day by a physical rb than rush the passer and defend passes all day.

This dudes head is so far up his own ass that the lump In his throat is his nose.

I'd advise no further engagement, lest we have to suffer another post of him sniffing his own farts and explaining how willfully informed he is due to his immense intellectual curiosities, and begin rambling on about ****ing crosses we have to bear.

It’s probably best that you and Jimmy just not watch the game on Sunday. I understand this type of behavior after a playoff loss, but I don’t remember seeing this much Andy slander before game day aside from opposing fans.

Yes Andy has been the HC of teams who have not met expectations in the playoffs. And the answer is yes, I would take Andy over any coach not named Bill Belichick.

There have been multiple examples of players, coaches And franchises struggling to win it all for so long before finally getting it done. We obviously hope Andy joins that list.

But hey if you guys are going to spend your whole week bitching about the past the entire week of a playoff game, don’t expect the rest of us to join you.

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You should do everyone a favor and follow your on advice.

Or bring something to the discussion other than hot take headlines, factually baseless rantings about the lack of a running attack (which has been disproved multiple times in this thread alone), and maundering over clock management.

Yeah, you're probably right.

Dude's teams are in the top 10 in points scored 2/3 of the seasons he's coached in this league, but you probably know more about running an offense than him. And hey, guy also has FREQUENTLY had a top 10 running game (and almost always top 10 in terms of rush efficiency), but you're right - he's just constantly getting away from it.

Guy's had 5 seasons in 21 where he had a clearly below average rushing attack. This season's shitshow being one of them, a season where we are just flat-out bad at running the football because we can't keep a RB healthy and our IOL is lousy. In '04 & '05 he lost Westbrook for large chunks of the year, in '08 & '09 he had serious OL issues, Westbrook had lost a step (after making an All-Pro team under Reid, mind you) and he turned the reigns over to the rookie McCoy in '09 who the following season ALSO became an All-Pro under Reid in a season where he had 17 rushing touchdowns. Charles gets as many carries per game under Reid in 2013 as he ever has in his career and makes an All-Pro team. Duce Staley gets 325 carries (60+ more carries than he had under Ray Rhodes the previous year) for his career season the year Andy takes over in Philly. Then of course Kareem Hunt leads the league in rushing under Andy.

I mean, we're gonna bitch about the fact that he didn't hand off the ball to the "League's leading rusher" in the Titans game where they got a whopping 3 possessions in the 2nd half, one of which was stalled precisely because of a negative rushing attempt on 1st down, and just gloss right over the fact that Andy Reid ran an offense that yielded the league's leading rusher that season.

You're right - a dude w/ a track record of getting exceptional seasons out of 2nd day picks and who managed to do stuff like get 564 yards at 5 yards/clip out of Bryce Brown as his backup RB clearly just doesn't care about the running game. Dude who's average season is above average in rushing yards and who routinely finishes in the top 10 in rushing YPC (and top 5 nearly half the time) while managing to create careers for guys like Spencer Ware and Correll Buckhalter clearly doesn't know how to utilize his backs.

Andy Reid, who's average offensive output over a 21 year career is a top 10 offense despite thoroughly average QBs, simply doesn't understand that if he'd have just handed the ball off more, everything would've been BETTER. The guy with the .600+ winning percentage who will almost certainly retire as one of the top 5 winningest coaches in football history - secret idiot all along. Doesn't know how to use runningbacks or score points, a 21 year track record of high scoring offenses and productive runningbacks be damned.

Yup. You've got it aaaaall figured out.

Oof.

More nonsensical headlines/factless hot takes upcoming . . .

"IF HE'D HAVE JUST POUNDED THE BALL WITH THE BRUISING TAILBACKS HE HAD LIKE LESEAN MCCOY, BRIAN WESTBROOK AND JAMAAL CHARLES, HE'D HAVE WON 70% OF HIS GAMES!!!!"

Guys had one truly big back in his entire career and he handed him the ball 325 times in the season before an injury took the starch out of his legs. The 2nd most powerful back he had led the league in rushing yards in the sole season Reid had him.

But to hear him tell it, the problem is really that he didn't have all 205 lbs of Brian Westbrook hurling himself into middle linebackers to 'tire them out'. I'm sure LeSean McCoy picking his way through holes before being tripped up just exhausted that LB who had to take two steps and whack the dude he outweighs by 35 lbs. Jamaal Charles was handled delicately by every coach he had including a true 'throwback' in Herm Edwards. It wasn't because they didn't recognize how dangerous he could be, but rather because they knew a 200 lb RB had no business carrying the ball 350 times.

It's just such a mindlessly dogmatic argument that ignores situations and personnel - the same as the tired 'Andy can't manage a game' argument. Just gotta bite on that narrative and gnaw on it like a rabid dog, man.

While im flattered you took a break from cornholing your mother to jump in with your invaluable posting, if its all the same, you can just **** right off.

I'm not bitching about Reid other than to make observations about his monumental playoff collapses, and penchant for pant shitting in moment that a ten year old madden player could figure out.

Oh and obviously to laugh my ass off at the notion that pounding a defense with the run doesnt wear them out. That was a good one

This year, hes got a defense and the best qb on the planet. Dude will get it done this year, or he will shit his pants again.

If said pant shitting happens to occur this week or next, i eagerly await all of your posts that excuse and explain away the appearance of full Reidtard.

And right on cue . . . There she is.

I'd totally refute all of this, but I'm like busy and stuff. So, you're just going to have to trust that you're in the wrong here.

There are none so blind...

DJ is making us all look bad by actually doing his damn homework.

LEARNING HURTS BRAIN!!! [/wallcrawler]

Reading this dumbassery hurts brain.

Running the football doesnt tire out a defense.

That absolutely has to go into the worst football takes thread. That's legendary stupid.

Playing defense tires out a defense, sport.

The how of it is largely immaterial. If you're better at keeping the defense on the field by throwing the ball, you throw the ball.

The VAST majority of teams, including every team Reid has ever coached, have been significantly more efficient throwing the football.

But please, lemme know how hurling Brian Westbrook at a DE is gonna break that poor guy down. I'm sure Clark and Suggs see guys like Phillip Lindsay and think "Oh no, Ned! He's coming right for us!!!" I'm sure Jones, Pennel and Nnadi are just quivering in fear at having to tackle a dude they outweigh by 100 lbs.

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Fire Whitlock!

Jesus christ. You could have at least left a little meat on his bones for the rats to gnaw on. That was brilliant and brutal. Love it.

Hopefully DJ is providing kneepads, goggles, and spoogecup for all the fellating hes got you doing.

Well you wont have to worry about any of this with any of your football takes. :thumb:

At some point in time you might want to realize it's no longer 1990 and football has changed.

Tennessee's massive 14pt outburst should have told you something.

Remind me, did Tennessee win?

Yes.

Because of their defense.

End of story.

If New England hadn't had an ineligible man downfield penalty on a huge pass play that set them up to take the lead in the second half, all that awesome running-and-not-scoring would have resulted in an L most likely.

I appreciate Andy allowing hoops to be played (resulting in injuries) in locker room during the weeks preperation for the most important game of this season(so far).

At least it wasnt a giant tree stump with an axe in it, with the motto "Keep chopping wood" ala Jaguars era Jack Del Rio lol.

Pretty sure their punter almost severed his foot with the axe.

Basketball is fine by me.

You aren't aware that part of the story has been shown to have been wrong?

Honestly, what Reid was able to do with Matt freaking Moore was insane.

Reid is pretty much the only reason Alexsexuals exist!

not until now...after Reid presser

what? ROFL

https://www.espn.com/nfl/columns/sto...len&id=1634325

Pro bowl punter Chris Hanson.


Jesus Christ. Didnt realize its been 16 years since that happened.

Sooo

I bow to you, Andy. May you never pay for an order of chili cheese fries again