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BlackHelicopters 06-22-2017 04:23 PM

Timing is bizarre . Hunt continues to prove he is the idiot he appears to be.

Anyong Bluth 06-22-2017 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927100)
So, Clark Hunt has lied multiple times?

What was his motive?

Probably

Money

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Rasputin 06-22-2017 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12927180)
we'll be fine.

You say this and we get beat by the Steelers in the playoffs :shake:

threebag 06-22-2017 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927161)
Curious I wonder if Reid didn't want Mahomes?

The information should shake loose in due time.

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12927179)
Yes!

Come here
Succeed
Get fired.

ROFL

petegz28 06-22-2017 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927176)
Clark has talked about continuity in the front office and coaching staff since hiring Pioli and Haley.

Again, if Dorsey wouldn't give the assurance that he wouldn't leave for Green Bay in the next 4 years, Hunt made the decision to cut ties and move on today.

It's a shame about Ballard but I don't think he was the only guy in the world that could replace John Dorsey.

Of course he isn't. Everyone on here spends season after season criticizing every facet of this team until someone gets let go. Then suddenly we have the best of the best of the best and how dare we.

Doresy and Ballard are replaceable.

Rain Man 06-22-2017 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12927178)
Maybe Dorsey was and or is a great scout but poor at the other things that go with being a gm?

I don't CARE if there are candy wrappers in the stairwell!

kcpasco 06-22-2017 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12927179)
Yes!

Come here
Succeed
Get fired.

How about work for the team that is paying you instead of playing grab ass with a team you secretly love.

nychief 06-22-2017 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12927181)
John Dorsey did more good than King Carl ever did & Pioli together.

hyperbole.

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:25 PM

Another interesting fact is that Reid was hired before Dorsey, and most likely selected by Reid. This had to be Reid's call.

He better have a legitimate solution to the vacancy.

KChiefs1 06-22-2017 04:25 PM

Can't wait to hear the real story.


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Simply Red 06-22-2017 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12927184)
You say this and we get beat by the Steelers in the playoffs :shake:

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Rain Man 06-22-2017 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927085)
This must be inticing for potential GMs

Something to remember #Chiefs fans...KC coming off 12-4 season, have short and long-term QBS, plus tons of talent. Top GM job in NFL now.

Maybe we can go out and nab the best GM in the league.

Is John Dorsey available?

This is pretty much the worst Chiefs news I've ever heard. It's a senseless crime.

petegz28 06-22-2017 04:27 PM

Dorsey got us some great talent. However:

We still have no replacement for Hali...
We have nothing at the MLB spot...
We are ridiculously thin at WR and that was before Maclin...

These are areas that have been an issue for a few seasons and nothing was ever really done save Dee Ford and many shook their heads at that pick.

Rasputin 06-22-2017 04:27 PM

No GM could ever come here and stand up to Andy Reid for the better of the team.


Bull shit about "ego"

petegz28 06-22-2017 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 12927181)
John Dorsey did more good than King Carl ever did & Pioli together.

Kind Carl was 4 quarters away from a SB appearance. Just sayin....

Rasputin 06-22-2017 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 12927193)
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We'll be fine ;)

Kman34 06-22-2017 04:29 PM

This is what the worst fans in the NFL deserve...:rolleyes:

threebag 06-22-2017 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan (Post 12927191)
Another interesting fact is that Reid was hired before Dorsey, and most likely selected by Reid. This had to be Reid's call.

He better have a legitimate solution to the vacancy.

Alex Smith will take over the duties of both GM and starting QB

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 12927175)
And it's why I feel firing someone over their ability to manage a cap feels a bit overblown.

Ah, tracking. Not comprehending much right now; my mind is blown.

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 12927203)
Alex Smith will take over the duties of both GM and starting QB

Gigabytes!! If he can make contracts as low as our offensive scoring average, you may be on to something!!

penbrook 06-22-2017 04:30 PM

Mahomes isn't even signed yet!! **** Dorsey

petegz28 06-22-2017 04:30 PM

Let's try and find the bright side to this. Maybe Reid will give up the play calling since he has to focus on more of the personnel issues?

Rain Man 06-22-2017 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927196)
Dorsey got us some great talent. However:

We still have no replacement for Hali...
We have nothing at the MLB spot...
We are ridiculously thin at WR and that was before Maclin...

These are areas that have been an issue for a few seasons and nothing was ever really done save Dee Ford and many shook their heads at that pick.

Give him a week and Dorsey could go out to the nearest shopping mall and find those guys.

petegz28 06-22-2017 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 12927203)
Alex Smith will take over the duties of both GM and starting QB

you won't have to ever worry about reaching for a draft pick...:D

petegz28 06-22-2017 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12927208)
Give him a week and Dorsey could go out to the nearest shopping mall and find those guys.

He's had 3 seasons to replace Hali and get someone inside to help and replace DJ....

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by threebag02 (Post 12927203)
Alex Smith will take over the duties of both GM and starting QB

He'd never draft a WR; he'd look at the board, grow nervous and pick a RB.

NJChiefsFan 06-22-2017 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927163)
I think it reasonable to say that Clark knows this is not good but what was lying ahead was going to be the same or worse. This was a "cut your losses" type of deal, obviously.

Lets not say obviously. There are plenty of ways this could have gone down that we aren't looking at some obvious event.

But lets say that your reasonable theory is correct. Clark knew Ballard was at risk of leaving. Clark also had to know about the possible threat of GB for Dorsey. We all heard the rumors.

So Clark has to decide before Ballard leaves

A)Do I want Dorsey long-term to be willing to lose Ballard.

B)If I want Dorsey, do I trust that he will stay.


If this is the case, then Dorsey lied to Clark. If Dorsey didn't lie, than Clark either waited until after Ballard left to evaluate Dorsey or Clark didn't look into the extension issue before Ballard left.

If Dorsey lied to Clark then he is an ass. If Clark was willing to part ways with Dorsey because of recent moves than he should have just kept Ballard. If Clark didn't look into the extension issue until after Ballard left..... well I'm going to assume Clark isn't that dumb.

Hammock Parties 06-22-2017 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927207)
Let's try and find the bright side to this. Maybe Reid will give up the play calling since he has to focus on more of the personnel issues?

http://i.imgur.com/vHYJhbH.gif

Meatloaf 06-22-2017 04:34 PM

Didn't go through the whole thread, but my take on this is that perhaps Dorsey wanted some sort of "out" in his contract should something open up at GB. Clark wanted a long term commitment. And, in the end, they could not agree. So, Clark decided to go find him a long term answer....now.

kcchiefsus 06-22-2017 04:34 PM

I'm sure it's already been asked, but why the **** didn't we fire Dorsey earlier and keep Ballard?

staylor26 06-22-2017 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12927213)

LMAO

Hammock Parties 06-22-2017 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 12927215)
I'm sure it's already been asked, but why the **** didn't we fire Dorsey earlier and keep Ballard?

Because the Chiefs had no idea Dorsey was going to be a twat/Reid was going to power **** his way to the top when Ballard was shopping around.

JakeF 06-22-2017 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcchiefsus (Post 12927215)
I'm sure it's already been asked, but why the **** didn't we fire Dorsey earlier and keep Ballard?

Maybe because more power was part of Reid's contract extension that just happened.

NJChiefsFan 06-22-2017 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927187)
Of course he isn't. Everyone on here spends season after season criticizing every facet of this team until someone gets let go. Then suddenly we have the best of the best of the best and how dare we.

Doresy and Ballard are replaceable.

That doesn't apply to Dorsey and you know it. Dorsey had a ton of support on here.

They may be replaceable, but it won't be easy. I don't like the odds of us finding someone better than them. Even if we do happen into that, this is still not handled right. Either Dorsey screwed us, Clark mishandled this, or Clark thinks he always had a replacement in house if necessary. Otherwise Clark is taking a risk replacing him when he could have had Ballard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927207)
Let's try and find the bright side to this. Maybe Reid will give up the play calling since he has to focus on more of the personnel issues?

You really believe Reid will be giving up some control or power as a net result of this?

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-22-2017 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 12927062)
And there it is.

Thats from 2013

Halfcan 06-22-2017 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 12927192)
Can't wait to hear the real story.


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I doubt we ever will know everything.

George posted the letter from Clark which is now the "Official" story according to the Chiefs.

Dorsey won't bad-mouth the Chiefs and his old friend Andy, especially while looking for a job.

If Dorsey signs on with Greenbay by the end of the week- we will know the Real story of why it went down like this. Actions will tell the truth not words.

Rain Man 06-22-2017 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927210)
He's had 3 seasons to replace Hali and get someone inside to help and replace DJ....

He was busy discovering Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones. He was about to get to those other issues.

staylor26 06-22-2017 04:38 PM

This is the equivalent of dating a girl way out of your league only to get dumped.

No other GM will ever be good enough for me.

3rd Quarter 38-10 06-22-2017 04:38 PM

Scott Pioli has been successful everywhere he has been except...

There is another problem in KC!

Hog's Gone Fishin 06-22-2017 04:38 PM

We still got Tyreek and Mahommy so our future is bright

petegz28 06-22-2017 04:39 PM

Scenario that must be considered:

Reid had the most say on every draft pick.
It was Dorsey's job to scout for Reid and work the $'s. But the picks were Reid.
Dorsey ****ed up the handling of the $'s.
Clark says: Reid is the man behind the picks so why am I diking with Dorsey if he can't manage the $'s right and won't even commit to KC?
Reid gets handed full control
Dorsey gets fired
We're in the same boat we were yesterday, no Maclin, no Charles.

This cannot be ruled out and in Clark's eyes is probably viewed as a wash. If Reid was more of the man behind the talent and Dorsey was smoke and mirrors with it while ****ing up the $'s then yeah,....I see this happening.

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12927225)
We still got Tyreek and Mahommy so our future is bright

Depends on who wanted Mahomes more: Reid or Dorsey.

Rain Man 06-22-2017 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12927218)
Maybe because more power was part of Reid's contract extension that just happened.

This is a theory worth exploring.

I just want to stomp right now. If I was wearing shoes with a more rigid sole, I would.

NJChiefsFan 06-22-2017 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12927222)
He was busy discovering Tyreek Hill and Chris Jones. He was about to get to those other issues.

Dorsey wasn't perfect but he was damn good.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12927218)
Maybe because more power was part of Reid's contract extension that just happened.

Except it wasn't

TEX 06-22-2017 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 12927214)
Didn't go through the whole thread, but my take on this is that perhaps Dorsey wanted some sort of "out" in his contract should something open up at GB. Clark wanted a long term commitment. And, in the end, they could not agree. So, Clark decided to go find him a long term answer....now.

Yep. I thought the same thing.

Tribal Warfare 06-22-2017 04:40 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...148435184.html

IMO, I could see the loyalty issue with JC and Maclin but Reid vouched for PMII.

The salary cap issue was the sticking point with all things considered.

Halfcan 06-22-2017 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Meatloaf (Post 12927214)
Didn't go through the whole thread, but my take on this is that perhaps Dorsey wanted some sort of "out" in his contract should something open up at GB. Clark wanted a long term commitment. And, in the end, they could not agree. So, Clark decided to go find him a long term answer....now.

Trump...I mean Clark demanded loyalty..., when Dorsey declined, Clark said YOU ARE FIRED, You have ten minutes to clean out your shit. Get the **** out of here. :cuss:

Rain Man 06-22-2017 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927226)
Scenario that must be considered:

Reid had the most say on every draft pick.
It was Dorsey's job to scout for Reid and work the $'s. But the picks were Reid.
Dorsey ****ed up the handling of the $'s.
Clark says: Reid is the man behind the picks so why am I diking with Dorsey if he can't manage the $'s right and won't even commit to KC?
Reid gets handed full control
Dorsey gets fired
We're in the same boat we were yesterday, no Maclin, no Charles.

This cannot be ruled out and in Clark's eyes is probably viewed as a wash. If Reid was more of the man behind the talent and Dorsey was smoke and mirrors with it while ****ing up the $'s then yeah,....I see this happening.

What was Reid's situation in Philadelphia? Did he have GM powers there, or was there a GM in place?

Anyong Bluth 06-22-2017 04:42 PM

because Chiefs.

Only true answer.

NJChiefsFan 06-22-2017 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 12927226)
Scenario that must be considered:

Reid had the most say on every draft pick.
It was Dorsey's job to scout for Reid and work the $'s. But the picks were Reid.
Dorsey ****ed up the handling of the $'s.
Clark says: Reid is the man behind the picks so why am I diking with Dorsey if he can't manage the $'s right and won't even commit to KC?
Reid gets handed full control
Dorsey gets fired
We're in the same boat we were yesterday, no Maclin, no Charles.

This cannot be ruled out and in Clark's eyes is probably viewed as a wash. If Reid was more of the man behind the talent and Dorsey was smoke and mirrors with it while ****ing up the $'s then yeah,....I see this happening.

Don't the Chiefs moves of this era seem a lot more GBish than PHI? I think hoping that Reid was the guy picking the talent and Dorsey was along for the ride is wishful thinking.

Hammock Parties 06-22-2017 04:43 PM

When you play the Game of Thrones you either win or you get fired by Clark Hunt

http://i.imgur.com/woPwWoG.jpg

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan (Post 12927240)
Don't the Chiefs moves of this era seem a lot more GBish than PHI? I think hoping that Reid was the guy picking the talent and Dorsey was along for the ride is wishful thinking IMO.

Agreed

Halfcan 06-22-2017 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3rd Quarter 38-10 (Post 12927224)
Scott Pioli has been successful everywhere he has been except...

There is another problem in KC!

ROFL

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 12927242)
When you play the Game of Thrones you either win or you get fired by Clark Hunt

http://i.imgur.com/woPwWoG.jpg

ROFL

JakeF 06-22-2017 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927231)
Except it wasn't

Except you don't know.

mdchiefsfan 06-22-2017 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12927239)
because Chiefs.

Only true answer.

The most tried and true explaination ever.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 06-22-2017 04:46 PM

I honestly don't care. No expectations for this team. Not ever.

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeF (Post 12927248)
Except you don't know.

Oh, just **** off. Clark Hunt has already said the power structure will remain the same.

Reid reports to Hunt, as will the new GM.

JakeF 06-22-2017 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth (Post 12927239)
because Chiefs.

Only true answer.

I'm so tired.

penbrook 06-22-2017 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 12927225)
We still got Tyreek and Mahommy so our future is bright

Nope! Dorsey didn't even sign Mahomes yet. Now we really know who didn't want Mahomes. **** Dorsey!!

ping2000 06-22-2017 04:52 PM

This does not seem like a well run organization.

penbrook 06-22-2017 04:52 PM

Per Browns Chalk Talk

FWIW, I would think #Packers Eliot Wolf would be the leading candidate to replace John Dorsey in Kansas City

kcchiefsus 06-22-2017 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ping2000 (Post 12927261)
This does not seem like a well run organization.

Goes to the top. Clark is a dipshit.

penbrook 06-22-2017 04:54 PM

If Dorsey is the successor to Ted Thompson then, hell, bring Eliot Wolf to KC and be the successor to Dorsey!

ILChief 06-22-2017 04:55 PM

Dorsey was good at scouting and drafting. But he handed out terrible contacts and we are always in cap hell. Really wish Ballard was still here

Hammock Parties 06-22-2017 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927265)
Eliot Wolf would be the leading candidate to replace John Dorsey in Kansas City

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Tribal Warfare 06-22-2017 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927265)
Per Browns Chalk Talk

FWIW, I would think #Packers Eliot Wolf would be the leading candidate to replace John Dorsey in Kansas City

Fan, reporter,or legitimate source?

notorious 06-22-2017 04:56 PM

Wtf

O.city 06-22-2017 04:59 PM

https://twitter.com/charlesrobinson/...23861861838848

The Franchise 06-22-2017 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penbrook (Post 12927265)
Per Browns Chalk Talk

FWIW, I would think #Packers Eliot Wolf would be the leading candidate to replace John Dorsey in Kansas City

That dude is younger than me. ****.

O.city 06-22-2017 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12927283)
That dude is younger than me. ****.

And you're a dipshit

:)

notorious 06-22-2017 05:00 PM

And Reid ends up with absolute power.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abv...VGI8/giphy.gif

threebag 06-22-2017 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12927285)
And you're a dipshit

:)

LMAO

The Franchise 06-22-2017 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 12927285)
And you're a dipshit

:)

No denying that.

penbrook 06-22-2017 05:03 PM

Eliot Wolf would be perfect!

DaneMcCloud 06-22-2017 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 12927286)
And Reid ends up with absolute power.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs structure of the coach, GM, and president reporting equally to owner Clark Hunt will stay in place.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/878025401661915136">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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R8RFAN 06-22-2017 05:07 PM

If I know the cheaps, they probably didn't want to pay him

notorious 06-22-2017 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 12927301)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs structure of the coach, GM, and president reporting equally to owner Clark Hunt will stay in place.</p>&mdash; Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/878025401661915136">June 22, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Thank God


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