How many games were won because of turnovers and field goals?

Exactly, same ones knocking us out of the playoffs year after year.

As you can tell by the last sentence- the writer of this article feels like if Alex wins- it will keep PM2 on the bench. This could have been written by Tiger. :shake:

Half maybe? :hmmm:

Check out that list- shit QB's with lots of wins because of their teams- Not their playing ability.

Is that Priest kid?

It is so funny to me that Alex fans use his winning percentage as a way to demonstrate how good he is, yet ignore his playoff winning percentage.

Winning is a team stat...which is why I have and will NEVER use winning percentage or record as a reason why ___(QB)___ is good or bad.

The Chiefs have selected their future, and Smith has no part in it.

Jesus ****ing Christ.

EVERYBODY wants him to ****ing sit! And NOBODY wants him out there before he's ready!

Tiger is insistent that he's two years away MINIMUM based on that quote by Reid talking about veterans taking 4 years to feel completely comfortable in the offense, and he believes Mahomes is a clueless shit-chucking reerun with the intelligence of Tyler Bray. All people are saying is that Mahomes is very likely to be ready by 2018. Nobody is saying they know exactly how long it will take Mahomes, only that Tiger is full of shit and making his 2-year prediction because he loves Alex.

That's it. It could be two years. It could be one year. However long it takes.

OK, taking you at your word. How come you, the reasonable fan, is all over anyone, anywhere, anytime, who has the temerity to even hope for anything but failure so long as Alex is on the roster, yet you're silent as a churchmouse as the NOBODYs you insist don't exist pray for anything from injury to family disaster to utter franchise failure to hasten the ascension of Mahomes, immediately if not sooner?

More of this shit?

Is this another idiot who thinks Smith will be here in 2018?

Of course Reid publicly backed Smith.
What do you think he's going to do?

Smith has come out himself and said he hasn't played up to the level expected of him, and THAT IS WHY they drafted Mahomes.

SMITH said that HIMSELF.

Smith FAILED and is being replaced. End of story.

You Idiots need to get this through your head...There is no debate here.
Just a bunch of dumbasses ignoring the obvious.

First, have to ask the question. Based on pre-draft opinions of Mahomes.. do you think there are quite a few draftniks, talking heads, etc. that thought of Mahomes as a multiple year project?

.. and if so, were they all delusional Smith lovers? or did they just genuinely think that as a pro QB, Mahomes needed A LOT of refinement?

Again, I think Mahomes starts in 2018... but people that act like this 2 yr development theory is wildly crazed Smith-love? Those people are probably basing their thinking through the lens of their Smith hate.

BS.

Nobody seriously wants Mahomes playing this season. They are just sick of Smith and don't want another season of his check downs, but truth be told I haven't seen more than a poster or two who actually want Mahomes out there this season at all.

I didn't read this before making my last post.

But yeah. This.

Nobody wants him to play this season, but he will be under center in 2018.

And with the shortage of QBs in this league, I could see someone trading us something for Smith just to avoid a bidding war for him in the case that we cut him.

Seriously.....The QB talent in the league is terrible.

I don't want him to sit. I want him coming in with the mindset to win the starting QB position this fall. I don't want him coming in satisfied that he will not play for a full year and maybe more. Screw that.

Have you EVER seen a QB taken in the top 10 sit for two years??

EVER???

Have you ever seen draftniks not know what the **** they are talking about???
I remember them saying Carson Wentz needed to sit a year..

Now think rationally for a minute and ask yourself if they will sit Mahomes for TWO seasons??

Sooooo, you called BS before even looking at what I was responding to? Noted.

Sure you want him in that mindset, but there is no way that him sitting could hurt.

On the other hand, serious damage can be done by putting him out there too early.

I don't know how many rookie QBs drafted top 10 that were selected while teams had a QB already in place with a 41-20 record.

Again and again.. I expect Mahomes to start next yr. Just saying that it's not about Alex-love or crazy to think 2 years.

Again and again.. I expect Mahomes to start next yr. Just saying that it's not about Alex-love or crazy to think 2 years.


Again and again.. I expect Mahomes to start next yr. Just saying that it's not about Alex-love or crazy to think 2 years.


Again and again.. I expect Mahomes to start next yr. Just saying that it's not about Alex-love or crazy to think 2 years.

Didn't need to.

The subject to which you were responding is implied in your response.

Yes it is.

Yes it is.

Yes it is


YES....it is.

If you put a young QB out there with a crappy team around him, sure. But this team is all back on offense... and not crappy.

He is not competing against Joe Montana either.

Thankfully for Alex, his defense and special teams singlehandly put a number of those in the W column.

Things will unfold as they should.

Trust me when I tell you that the Chiefs are riding an absolute lightning bolt of perfection right now. A few elements will have to be corrected and/or swept away, but this franchise has declared its independence from mediocrity and has boldly turned one of the last remaining corners on its way to that place where the Elite hold court.

Truth.

agree, except for the "single-handedness" stupidity that highlights your extreme ignorance of what team sports actually are. :thumb:

So you agree but don't agree.

The majority of Alex wins are when he (or even the defense!) puts the team up by 3-7 points in the 3rd quarter, and then continues to stall on offense for the rest of the ****ing game. Maybe the defense or ST will come up with another score occasionally, but if you want to help out the defense by securing that lead and not leaving that unit out to dry? Alex can't help you and won't help you.

If not for Miracles by Eric Berry and Marcus Peters this team goes 9-7 last year.

What do you guys expect? Most of our talent is on D so of course we are going to win most games because of the defense. The only real Pro Bowl player we have on offense is Kelce. Maclin was terrible last yr.

You guys should use common sense more. It might help out more than you think.

That those miracles aren't likely to occur every year.

As happened in 2014.

And in the playoffs.

Then you could pull the same logic of Smith pulling together a critical-to-the-win drive here and there too.

SD week 1...
key scores vs NO in the second half to hold a lead...
key drive late in the 4th to tie up (and win eventually) against CAR...
FG winning drive vs DEN in OT week 12...
playing keep-away from ATL in the final minutes, so they could hold possession and win...

some other games mixed in, where KC won more easily, so no need to point fingers...


See how this works? All aspects... as a team... have their part in wins... and losses... as a team. In case you missed it... football teams... play as.. a team.


It truly would have taken a miracle for KC to win a SB in the 2013-2015 years. No matter who the QB was, sans maaaaybe Brady or Rodgers.

If not for Maclin, Charles and Houston playing below expectations (40 million dollars worth of cap hit), this team wins the Superbowl?

See what I did there?

Poor Tiger.

He's as defensive as he's ever been in his time here. The Chiefs traded up to draft a great prospect to replace his Alex and Alex himself said he thinks he'll be here only 1 more season.

It's okay, Tiger. We'll recommend a good message board for you to spew your Alex love When he's inevitably on his new team next Spring.

First stage of grief...denial.

Soon the anger will come when Alex starts shitting himself in September.

He said they're only committed to him for one season. Didn't say he was gone after this season. Said it like a true professional, you know, nothing like you two scumbags are capable of doing in your entire lives. I feel sorry for you losers.

Oh you mean just like you said when Derek Carr would blow us out of the water? How'd that and all your other predictions work out for you, kid?
ROFL

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Writing is on the wall.

The beginning of the end for Ass starts in September.

Oh dude...

he gone.

You realize what a prediction is right? Its not a declaration of what is 100% going to happen.

There is a huge difference between Clay and others making predictions that turn out to be completely wrong, and you analyzing something that has already happened and making false claims about said thing.

How many of those pre-draft opinions are viewing Mahomes through the narrow lens of, "How close is he to Andrew Luck?" Or how many of them take one look at, "Threw a lot of risky stuff? Texas Tech? Oof... he's as raw as they come!" And how many of those opinions were calling Mahomes a multi-year project, but Deshaun Watson, a QB who is WAY more raw than Mahomes, gets a much lighter pass in terms of the "raw" label?

There's a ton of stupid shit out there written about Mahomes. Some of it's informed, some of it isn't. Yes, Andy Reid and Jon Gruden both said, "He's raw, he's not ready." Nobody is questioning that.

But Tiger hasn't been going, "We'll see." And he hasn't been saying, "I predict Mahomes will need more than a year based on...." He's been flat out saying "Two years. 2019. Possibly longer. Extend Alex. We'll need him." For him there is NO possibility that Mahomes could be good enough to start in 2018. That's just short-sighted. And if it's not biased, I don't know what is.

You don't see the inverse from the other side. You see, "As soon as he's ready, Mahomes needs to start, however long that takes."

why does alex's helmets keep getting bigger? is he wearing a new helmet design. is he THAT worried about head injuries? or is it simply his wife forced him to wear the kiddie protective gear you see with some children on the playground?

its like that lopsided don beebe helmet you used to see.

maybe alex's helmet weight distribution keeps him from being able to push the ball downfield? :D

ROFL

ROFL

Giving Smith credit against Carolina seems a bit of a reach. Hill's punt return put us in Panther territory. And Smith overthrew Kelce for the lead... Having to settle for the FG for the tie.

And Atlanta. Wow.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/kansas-city-chiefs#

Just when you think you couldn't get more pissed off. Brian Baldinger highlighted another play not mentioned here. Alex had perfect protection and missed two wide open TD's on the same play bc he was scared.

We should have beaten that Steelers team.

FUUUUUUUUUUU

Here comes the usual crowd with "They weren't open" "The safety was closing"

Posted this in the Mahomes thread. How embarrassing and maddening this still is.

Team was so much better than Pitt and that clown ruined it

You watch those two plays and then you watch Patrick Mahomes and realize that those are the kind of plays Mahomes made a career out of.

It's as if Dorsey/Reid watched this tape and said, "we need to draft a guy who makes those plays". Unreal.

What's most frustrating/infuriating about watching them is that this inadequacy was known and apparent before the Chiefs wasted two second round picks and five years on this turd.

He's a coward. A pussy. A chickenshit. A limp dick... when it comes to throwing the ball. It is expressed most obviously in his unwillingness to throw the ball deep, but it shows up in the choices he makes on short and intermediate routes, too.


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I posted this right after the playoff game. And ****ing reeruns argued with me. **** all ya'll.

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Cassel comes in many, shitty flavors.
Trade your two's for a turd sammich' today!

Two years to get Patrick ready. He's a turnover machine if you put him in any earlier. Smith wins games. Patrick hasn't learned how to win yet, let's not forget that.

Yeah I have to agree. You really ARE the stupidest choad-jammer this website has ever had the misfortune to know.
Welp, good thing you and your underachieving monkey-fart of a QB will be history after this season.

Sounds like Mahomes is progressing nicely. Alex has one year.

1-3 is not "winning" games.

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The fact that it is cheaper to cut Alex in '18 then it is to keep him makes your two year statement null and void. Look no further than what happened with Maclin for proof of what the Chiefs intend to do. Look no further than Baldinger's video as proof that Alex isn't the reason he "just wins games".

Embarrassing for a so called "franchise" QB to be constantly failing his team mates in critical games.

The 2nd part of that video of Maclin streaking open in the bottom right with Alex rolling right is the exact kind of pass Mahomes would have thrown.

No, no; Mahomes would just shit himself or throw an interception, failing to practice the Elite Ball Control that has come to define KC offense!

-****tardeth the 2018 Spurned Bitch

Dorse & Andy agree.


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"Franchise" has a different meaning nowadays.


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I don't think it does (apart from these nimrods who want to falsely apply it to rent-a-QB).

It's a QB who you can depend on to lead your franchise for 10+ years. It might be someone like Elway at the top end, or it might be someone lesser like Joe Flacco.

Whoever it is, they provide some element of stability and championship potential for the long term. He doesn't hold your team back.

Alex Smith is just another limited rent-a-QB who doesn't fit that definition.

After all of these decades and various wasted careers, we are finally about to witness the stone-cold LAST and FINAL season of such bullshittery behind Center in Kansas City.

Rejoice.

:facepalm:

Geno, Geno, Geno

I'll rejoice when you're finally IP banned, Geno.

You don't know dick about the NFL, let alone, QB's.

Get in line, franchise; there are far better men than you who have been waiting much longer.

:clap:

If Terrell Davis hadn't come along at the perfect time, Elway would just be another Flutie/Marino.

BTW it's 100% impossible to IP ban someone.

If the 49ers defense hadn't come along, Alex Smith would just be another Carr/Couch.

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Yet the broncos have accomplished more in the last decade than the chiefs have in 5....

Hey look Franchise; your number one fan, the complete and total village idiot, applauds your pathetic attempt at smack!

What awesome company you keep! Maybe Sandy and Laz can drop by later to heap more false praise on your fool head!

Damn dude, what happened to you? You used to be able to hold your own and go toe to toe with anyone on this board. Now, Clay just beats your ass ALL up and down this football board like a rented mule.

CP has passed you by.

And clearly, some part of your mental capacity got pissed out with last years cocktail intake when you go around calling a middling, cowardly, game managing nobody like Alex Smith a "franchise QB".
As early as two years ago, you never would have made such a completely idiotic statement, and you would have righteously hammered the piss out of anyone who dared to do so.

I've tried to be sympathetic to whatever this thing is that has crawled up your spinal column and in to your brain out of respect for who you used to be, and what you used to support and believe.

Well **** that shit. I'm done. Anytime you want you dance with me, bring your little red slippers right on over ****-o, cause' it's party time and Sweet Daddy is singing your mother****ing song.

John Elway took 3 mediocre Bronco teams to SBs against far superior teams.

Dan Marino would very likely be considered the greatest QB ever if he had any talent around him.

Fluitie was just a useless midget.

To even put him in the same sentence as Elway and Marino is an illustration of your mental midgetry.

flutie?

JUST another marino?

your and idiot

Smith fan gonna' dumbass.

Guys without a Superbowl. You morons. :facepalm: