I would guess that incident explains all of your future interest in the subject, franko.

When you see the military aircraft chasing around after whatever it was, it adds a whole other level of amazement... my very first glimpse was an F-16 chasing one, to me it was like "ah, well I might never meet him, but atleast I didnt see that by myself".

Early stealth tests

Actually thought Church raised a decent point on that: none of the other guys knew they'd been "debriefed". So how would Halt know?

The only thing (that I remember...) that I've ever seen was out walking one night and there was a steady orange light in the sky for about 10 minutes around 10 pm, off in a roughly north-ish direction. No motion at all that I could see, well above the horizon, pretty high up in the sky. It just sat there, like a bump on a log. I wouldn't call myself any kind of expert, but I'm familiar with the movement of planes and helicopters around me, and I've never seen anything like it either before or since.

It's just a random light in the sky though, and could have been literally anything, so I don't count it as anything weird.

Conspiracy, the Paranormal, the Unexplained and the Esoteric
 

Survivorman Bigfoot starts again on Science Channel this coming Friday. It will start where the last one ended. I mentioned this before but if you can catch the previous two episodes do it. They have been replaying them and likely will continue to do so this week. Some very strange unexplainable things they are finding that Les cannot explain with anything other than some type of bigfoot creature.

Halt was the lieutenant commander of the post, he was surely privy to details that those two enlisted men weren't.

Pisses me off that my bullshit cable co. doesn't carry good channels like this, they don't even carry National Geographic and there ALWAYS seems to be something cool on it.

I'll try to find this online, Les isn't some kook out there seeing "squatches" through every view of his thermal lens... if he says something weird is going on, I'll take his word for it.

I really wish Les hadn't decided to associate himself with Todd Standing, a known hoaxer and asshole in the BF community, and have him on his show.

I believe that is no more so that's good...there's an awesome YT vid out there of Les talking on Joe Rogan's podcast about encountering a possible Squatch, it's a good watch.

They were very entertaining. Can't wait to see what happens next.

Strouds new bigfoot show is on Discovery tonight at 9 after Dual Survival, I'll be checking it out.

came across this the other day. cool stuff....except for the last one. I know a wasted chick when I see one man! mystery solved. hahaha.

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Did anyone catch the new Stroud bigfoot episode thursday night? Just wondering what he did or didn't see.

I had to hit the sack too early to catch it, was out by 8pm lol... too much drinky, too much early... had to crash early to be ready for school the next day.

Stroud as in Les Stroud?

That's a shame. They got him too.

I watched it. He caught nothing on camera, and nothing on audio. Had a couple apples and a sandwich laid out for bait swiped, which the camera mysteriously didn't catch...for whatever reason.

Near the end he cut the cameras on and claimed a large tree fell close by him. No wind, no rain or snow (warmer weather); it just crashed. He said it sounded like it was thrown instead of simply falling. Dry hole of an episode, and he was kind of dorking out- like more than usual. Getting way too into the Bigfoot mythology and thinking every broken branch or track might be a 'squatch.

Next week he's in NorCal- I think in the same area where the Patterson-Gimlin film was supposedly taken.

The public rarely hears about interactions between military personnel and unexplained aircraft -- especially during wartime.

As time goes on, however, UFO stories stuck behind red tape begin to see the light of day. The Vietnam War saw its share of UFO activity in the 1960s.

One close encounter, in 1968, involved the crew of an American patrol boat that reported two glowing circular craft following them in the demilitarized zone that separated North and South Vietnam.

The crew aboard a second patrol boat later reported seeing the UFOs over the first boat and a flash of light, followed by an explosion that completely destroyed the boat. These Vietnam reports included close observation of the unknown aerial craft which appeared to house pilots (see main story recreation image at the top of this story).

Wartime UFO stories are recreated in the premiere episode of the second season of History's "Hangar 1: The UFO Files." The accounts are drawn from tens of thousands of UFO cases in the archives of the Mutual UFO Network, the world's largest UFO investigation group.

"The military was interested in [UFOs] because they had capabilities far above anything that we had, and they wanted to find out what the technology was and, frankly, who they belonged to," according to former Air Force intelligence officer, Capt. George Filer.

While in Vietnam, Filer -- who had a top secret clearance -- gave daily briefings to Gen. George S. Brown, deputy commander for air operations in Vietnam.

"Frequently, the Vietcong or North Vietnamese would be attacking an outpost and I would explain that, and we would have ground-air support, particularly at night where we'd go in there with these gun ships, and I would give briefings on all of that," Filer told The Huffington Post. "Some of the time, there would be unidentified craft over the DMZ."

Filer described a typical report that he'd receive and which he included in his briefings to Brown:

"You'd have an aircraft flying along, doing around 500 knots and a UFO comes alongside and does some barrel rolls around the aircraft and then flies off at three times the speed of one of the fastest jets we have in the Air Force. So, obviously, it has a technology far in advance of anything we have.

"I would be told this unofficially. People tell you a lot of things that they don't put in writing or sign their name to. There was always this part of UFOs that, if you got too interested, it could mess up your career. And this is true today even with commercial pilots. I've also heard from people serving in Afghanistan saying they've seen UFOs, and the Iranian news carries UFO reports pretty regularly."

During a 1973 press conference, five years after the patrol boat UFO encounters, Brown -- as USAF chief of staff -- was asked about the Air Force's position on UFOs:


I don't know whether this story has ever been told or not. They weren't called UFOs. The were called enemy helicopters. And they were only seen at night and they were only seen in certain places. They were seen up around the DMZ in the early summer of '68. And this resulted in quite a little battle.

And in the course of this, an Australian destroyer took a hit and we never found any enemy, we only found ourselves when this had all been sorted out. And this caused some shooting there, and there was no enemy at all involved, but we always reacted.

Always after dark, the same thing happened up at Pleiku at the Highlands in '69.



Many stories about battling UFOs have emerged throughout history.

One early account of UFO warfare was supposedly seen by the citizens of Nuremberg, Germany, in 1561. On a morning in April, the Nuremberg Gazette reportedly described an aerial battle between large "cylindrical shapes from which emerged black, red, orange and blue-white spheres that darted about... All these elements started to fight one against the other." An artist, Hans Glazer drew a woodcut of the spectacle, seen below:

During World War II, also in Germany, Allied aircraft pilots often reported mysterious glowing, fast-moving, circular lights, which were dubbed Foo Fighters. The New York Times reported it as "military slang for flying saucers."

Filer -- who documents his sightings and other UFO news at the National UFO Center site -- was one of several military eyewitnesses to something extraordinary in the sky over England. It was 1962, and he was the navigator on a refueling tanker.

"We were out over the North Sea when London Control called and asked if we would be willing to intercept an unidentified that was over Oxford and the Stonehenge area. We had just finished up our refueling mission, so we said sure, and they cleared all the traffic around us and gave us top priority as we descended towards the UFO. All they really had was a very large radar return, but it was much bigger than a normal aircraft."

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Filer (pictured at right) recalled how his radar scope indicated the UFO was as big as the huge Firth of Forth Bridge in Scotland that he and his crew often used as a regular navigation point.

"The 'thing' was at 1,000 feet and we were descending from 32,000 feet. We picked up this huge radar return while we were still about 30 miles out. It was dark out and when we got much closer to the object, we saw lights around it, outlining the shape of a cylinder, like a cruise ship. It then just quickly rose and went up into space.

"We were pretty sure we'd just seen a UFO."

Filer also told HuffPost that he has heard from air traffic controllers who claimed they were told to "always divert aircraft away from UFOs and deny that it existed. I think they want this whole situation to go away, and I think [the policy] is coming from the National Security Council -- they're at the highest level. It sounds funny, but presidents don't always know what their National Security Council is doing."

Upcoming episodes of "Hangar 1" over the next 12 weeks will focus on folks who've held military positions and are willing to come forward and tell their stories.

One of those (hold onto your hats) is a man who claims he was in the Marines (wait for it...) and that he was stationed on Mars for several years. That's right: the red planet Mars. He'll describe being part of an off-planet military force. Let's not pass judgment...yet.

There's also the story of a retired Army sergeant who says he was assigned to UFO crash and retrieval cases where both ships and ET bodies were supposedly recovered -- some dead, some alive.

In case you were wondering, Hangar 1 is an actual hangar where MUFON, for a long time, stored all of its archives. At one point, all of the organization's files were housed in an airport hangar somewhere in the middle of the country. The images of Hangar 1 that appear in the series are of the real hangar.

"Hangar 1: The UFO Files" is on the History channel on Friday nights. Check your local listings for exact times.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...usaolp00000592

Who do you have? I have these with TWC.

They're called Mediacom, a pissant little outfit.

Bowser, great timing on that article about the patrol boats in Vietnam, I watched a show about that just yesterday on History Channel.

So Hangar 1 just had a show about the SOM1-01 manual which is supposed to be a leaked Majestic-12 manual of instructions for dealing with ufos. I had never heard of this but it is very interesting. What are everyone's thoughts on this?

You can see the leaked photos of the pages here: http://www.specialoperationsmanual.com/the-manual/

Some of the things in there are very convincing. The descriptions of the aliens and the explanation on the current situation (1950's) is particularly intriguing to me.

Its probably legit, they surely had contingency manuals just like that.

Been binge watching Unsealed: Alien Files on Netflix this weekend lol.....

The Ceres lights have become pretty interesting to me. But even if they actually find something, would they let us know? Doubtful.
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/0...rtoon-instead/

Interesting bit from the black vault on some photos potentially taken from aboard a USN submarine in 1971: http://www.theblackvault.com/casefil...4-march-1971/#

Being the biggest and most detailed, that first pic is obviously noteworthy. But its the second, delta shaped object that really gets my attention.

That's the shape that's being relentlessly imitated to this day.

With the first pic, it sometimes seems like whatever they are, show us something that looks familiar, something sort of in line with the times, like this big, unwieldy cigar thing, reminiscent of a submarine.

What is everyone's thoughts on the arecibo response?

http://alienresearch.wikia.com/wiki/Arecibo_Response

There is a really good video synopsis of the differences between the sent message and the response. I can't embed it right now but here is the link. All of the skeptics seem to rely only on the classic "it seems unlikely so it must be a hoax" response.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92ZvA-Nm5c

Two 70 year old men snuck into that field with wooden slats and some rope. Overnight, and under cover of darkness... they stamped out the extraordinarily complicated patterns.

What else is there to explain, its all so easy when you look at the facts.

It's always struck me as too good to be true, but that's just a gut feeling.

Take a gander at this if you want to get your conspiratorial mind going: https://www.congress.gov/congression...use-report/153

The book by Keel "The Mothman Prophecies" really tweaked my ears.

He went down to study one thing and then thing B and C and D started happening.

Carl Sagan sent all our information out into space? Seems a bit reckless

For those that still use the vastness of space as the reason they couldn't get here:
We will have the tech within 100 years IMO.
NASA Admits Alcubierre Drive Initiative: Faster Than The Speed Of Light

NASA is currently working on the first practical field test toward the possibility of faster than light travel.

Traveling faster than light has always been attributed to science fiction, but that all changed when Harold White and his team at NASA started to work on and tweak the Alcubierre Drive. Special relativity may hold true, but to travel faster or at the speed of light we might not need a craft that can travel at that speed. The solution might be to place a craft within a space that is moving faster than the speed of light! Therefore the craft itself does not have to travel at the speed of light from it’s own type of propulsion system.

It’s easier to think about if you think in terms of a flat escalator in an airport. The escalator moves faster than you are walking! In this case, the space encompassing the ship would be moving faster than the ship could fly, keeping all the matter of the ship intact. Therefore, we can move faster than light, in a massless cloud of space-time.

What is the Alcubierre Drive? It’s actually based on Einsteins field equations, it suggests that a spacecraft could achieve faster-than-light travel. Rather than exceed the speed of light alone in a craft, a spacecraft would leap long distances by contracting space in front of it and expanding space behind it. This would result in faster than light travel (1). Physicist Miguel Alcubierre was the first that we know to identify this possibility. He described it as remaining still on a flat piece of space-time inside a warp bubble that was made to move at “superluminal” (faster than light) velocity. We must not forget that space-time can be warped and distorted, it can be moved. But what about moving sections of space-time that’s created by expanding space-time behind the ship, and by contracting space-time in front of the ship?

This type of concept was also recently illustrated by Mathematician James Hill and Barry Cox at the University of Adelaide. They published a paper in the journal proceedings of the Royal Society A: Mathematical and Physical Sciences (3).

It was once believed that Einsteins theory of special relativity means that faster than light travel is just not possible. This is a misconception, special relativity simply states that the distance you travel depends on how fast you move, for how long you’re moving for. So if you are driving at 70 mph you will have covered 70 miles in one hour. The confusing part is that, no matter how fast you are moving you will always see the speed of light as being the same. It’s similar to sound, if you close your eyes and imagine that the only sense you have is hearing, you will identify things by how they sound. So if a car is driving at a rapid speed and honks its horn, we know that the horn is always tooting the same tone, it’s just the car’s motion that made it appear to change.

Special relativity also showed us that the atoms and molecules that make up matter are connected by electromagnetic fields, the same stuff light is made up of. The object that would break the light speed barrier is made up of the same stuff as the barrier itself. How can an object travel faster than that which links it’s atoms? This was the barrier.

The only problem with our modern day science is that creating distortions in space-time require energy densities that are not yet possible for humans, or so they say. NASA scientists are currently working on tweaking Alcubierre’s model.

Faster-than-light travel, also known as hyper space or “warp” drive from what the masses know for sure is currently at the level of speculation. Although there is already a lot of evidence that shows it is possible and has already been accomplished, mainstream science is still catching up. We are at the point right now where faster-than-light travel is still theoretical, but possible.

At the same time, we have to look at other factors that are now coming to light. As former NASA Astronaut and Princeton Physics Professor Dr, Brian O’leary Illustrates. This topic has recently had another media explosion and congress recently discussed and looked at evidence for Earth like planets recently found by Kepler Telescopes. Three “super-Earths” to be exact that are most probably teeming with life (4). Furthermore, former congressmen and women recently participated in a citizens hearing on the subject of UFOs a few weeks ago. You can read more about that here. I’ve used this video in many articles before, but it’s just a great clip from when Dr O’leary was still with us.
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http://www.collective-evolution.com/...speed-of-light

I think NASA has actually dropped that program. However, private corporations and entrepreneurs are still working on it ('it' meaning exotic drives, not this specific one). There's supposedly a major announcement about one of them Friday.

I believe we already discussed this but what does everyone think about David Paulides' work?

I've recently starting into heavy and man it's pretty damn wild and chilling...crazy stuff.

Guy is a really good interview too.

Do you have an episode in particular for this one that is good?

Now that quantum computing is in its infancy and not yet taken over the world or created Skynet I wonder: do electric sheep dream of God?

Once true AI is achieved does it seek out a God? Does it need one? Does where it's created matter?

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but seriously folks....
OK...I've changed my stance on this now. maybe it's not as cut and dry as I originally thought....but at one point on the video she's in the hall doing something with her hands and SHE LOOKS HIGH AS BALLS!

also....."the elevator game"!!?? **** THAT! WTF! wish I'da never heard of that crap.

Does the elevator ritual give you infinite ammo if you push all the buttons in the correct order?

Apparently you kill yourself.

I tried it in my bathroom last night. Nothing happened.

This is one of the best films out there about SETI. Some of it is obvious BS, but some is really hard to dismiss.
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Prof. Robert Jacobs is either the best liar I've ever seen, or he's telling the truth about ETs zapping that test warhead out of the air.

Got the urge to dig into the Phoenix Lights this weekend....probably my favorite UFO story/encounter.

Betcha won't call Candyman.

If you don't post anymore we'll know what happened to you.

The Black Knight Satellite has peaked my interest. It's pretty crazy to think a satellite that isn't from our planet but tracks our planet hasn't been checked out more thoroughly.

piqued :p

I'm sure it has. That doesn't mean we will hear shit about it.

Almost 100% of that is agenda pushing and the other bit is science struggling to identify a baby monkey.

It's a shame these guy all seem to swerve off to the absurd at the end of theri careers...

It's probably not from here either...:)

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bpearthwatch is like the tea party for ufos. Zero science, all end of the world biblical stuff.

As far as planet x goes it's been coming for most of my life. It was going to **** stuff up in the 80's, it was on the way in the 90s, it was definitely going to kill us all in 2000 and it's what the Mayans warned about in 2012.

I'll never understand the obsession folks have with the world ending. Everybody alive in the western world for the turn of a century for the thousand years or so has been certain that the events of their day embodied revelations. And it's somehow good and Christian to root on the end of the world and, at least today, cheer the idea of the death of billions of non-believers. I've always thought it a bit sick myself, but I guess this is moving out of paranormal into dc territory so I'll leave it at that.

Anyway, if nibiru really is coming, it's sure taken its time. And you'd think more people would see it - there's plenty of amateur astronomers out there looking to the skies, in whatever hemisphere it's supposedly approaching from. I don't think this is the kind of thing that could practically be hidden by a conspiracy. We're not talking a ufo that pops into existence for short a period of time that would only be visible to a limited number of witnesses, we're talking about a permanent celestial object.

The latest story is that some civilization killer asteroid is going to hit in September and the recent meteors seen in the skies as well as recent earthquakes are a precursor to that.

I just get a kick out of the YouTube vids - "Planet X on the way and it's REALLY HAPPENING THIS TIME. AGAIN". I've heard one theory that Planet X is on a 3600 year orbit arc with our sun, and while the nine (eight) planets all rotate on one "plane" around the sun, Niribu is like 90 degrees separated from the plane of the other planets in the solar system, so when it shows back up it goes right through the path of our planets or others, potentially ****ing everything up. Some say Niribu is responsible for the asteroid belt, that it smashed through a planet there and kept on rolling (at half the size, presumably). Whatever, it sounds too far fetched for me. I'll buy the theory of a planet killing asteroid hitting us before I'll buy the Planet X theory.

And IMO, the world ending theories come straight from some place filled with fear from man. Fear from him not having total control of himself and the environment around him. And nothing would be more ironic than to hear the holy rollers scream I TOLD YOU SO as Niribu gave us the Melancholia treatment.

I had some guy in actual real life try to tell me that planet X was coming. SMFH.

Black Knight Satellite, you say?

Sounds a bit farfetched.

IIRC, the end of the world signifies the return of Jesus and, basically, the complete eradication of evil and the devil's influence over the world.

People aren't rooting for the death of billions of non-believers so much as they're awaiting the return of their savior and the end of pain, suffering, etc.

At least that's what i know about Christian end times. Someone feel free to check me if I'm wrong.

It was launched by Wayne industries in the late 2000's.

The obvious logic fail is that it wouldn't be the end of times, you know?

Oh well, that's another discussion for another time.

Pretty crazy to think it could be real. But hard to distinguish what the truth is with it.

There are so many logistical fallacies in modern religion, it's incredible. I was just trying to explain what I've read.

We're taking about a religion based in modern times almost entirely on the idea of a white, blonde haired, blue-eyed Jesus. If that's a lie then the whole thing is a lie.

No doubt. Maybe it is real. Maybe the government has known it belongs to an extraterrestrial "entity".

It just sound a bit too good to be true, as far as alien interference is concerned. I mean, if they've been monitoring us, they'd know we have the capability to detect a foreign satellite's presence. In that case, they'd know we know about them and they'd likely contact us in other ways.

On the conspiracy side of things, maybe that's all true and our government has made contact with them and is just withholding the information from us.

****, I'm drunk as hell and this shit is getting too real right now.

People can try to characterize it that way, but what they're really saying is the world isn't the way I want it to be, so wipe the slate clean. You've certainly seen that over and over in our lifetime, this gleeful acceptance of every event as a presage to the end times, this crazy fascination with eschatology and apocalyptic prediction from the turn of the millennium until even now. It's very self-centered, I think, this 'bring on the end times!' philosophy, but that's human nature.

Personally I think this stuff is even crazier than the most woowoo of the ufo believers, but hey anything is possible.

Definitely. It's a very pretentious mindset. They think they're "right" or righteous, I should say.

I'm not religious in the least besides the indoctrination I've endured.

So after a few years of not telling anyone this story I have decided to share it with you fine crazy people

I was in the mountains of Afghanistan 3 years ago..doing a patrol and we stopped on a mountain to watch a village..a few hours after we stopped everyone but me and our Air Force man..Moose..were asleep since it was our turn on security and overwatch

I was on the gun looking down and the village whenever he start tapping my foot really fast..as I slowly turn and ask what was going on I see 7 lights going above us..it was low enough that the lights were lighting up the ground some..it was completely quiet..and it was shaped like the top 2/3 of a triangle

It was slowly moving forward towards the direction of the village..it was there for around a minute and then it was gone..the lights the shape just gone..after it was gone I asked Moose what exactly he had seen before he got a hold of me..all he said was he was sitting there looking around..he flipped up his NVDs and went to get a protein bar and as he ate it he saw the ground glowing and he looked up and it was above us

We agreed on the approximate size and shape of it..he called base on the radio asking if any aircraft were in out area..we were told no and asked why we were calling in since radio check wasn't for another hour..we told then we were positive of aircraft in the area and we're needing confirmation of it..we were told no aircraft

Wow, that's crazy/spooky. Thanks for sharing.

Whatever it was made no noise?

Not a sound..up in those mountains at night it's dead quiet..so if it made noise I'm sure we would of heard it especially being so low

Thinking back about it more now..there might have been a real quiet hum but it was hard to hear..my hearing isn't the greatest either..but I do remember at the time thinking it was really strange we couldn't hear it

No.....no it's not.

That sounds like dozens of other silent triangle stories I've heard going back to the 80's. My personal guess is that it's something of ours that's still unacknowledged. Although some of the reports are of incredibly huge size (likes miles to a side), which I'm less than certain we could engineer. I couldn't really get a read on the size of what you saw.

We guessed it being about 150-200 ft from outside tip to tip and around 300 ft long..it was big..I remember thinking it was really big when I first seen and really quiet..I still can't figure out how it was so quiet and moving so slow then just disappeared

We figured it was something military which is why we called it in..we figured if it was something military they would let us know being we were SF..at least let us know to not engage or be worried

'Peace-loving aliens tried to save America from nuclear war,' claims moon mission astronaut Edgar Mitchell:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...d-save-6235113

It is if you're the one seeing it.

Was listening to the podcasts from Darkness Radio last night....was about the Elisa Lam case...holy shit what a bizarre and strange case.

The Cecil Hotel...that place is ****ed in itself.

You've obviously been around plenty of aircraft at various altitudes, how high up would you say it was?

How big was it across?

How were the lights spaced and what color were they?

Did it move in ways that are hard to imagine a human being inside?

IMO, it could've been Col. Steve Austin, or Glork from dimension six, depending on what you witnessed... thanks for sharing, Mac.

Even an open minded drunk can see the truth, we're not alone.

Yes, the government is withholding - all kinds - of earth shaking information.

Yeah was looking into that place.

Crazy history. Any place that Crowley spent significant time is creepy.

Yup. And anyone who thinks that religious beliefs are the reason that the information is held from us is ignoring the $100 trillion elephant in the room.

Don't know if this has been posted but this was a disney doc that was "lost"
It basically refers to the existence of aliens and UFOs as fact.
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Okay not being a smart ass but when I read it slow again I still can't figure it out: how is possible for the top two thirds a triangle to be "shaped" differently than the full triangle it makes up two thirds of? I mean I am so sure there is absolutely no difference in the shape of the two things described but am I just missing some obvious detail?

Not to mention Richard Ramirez and The Black Dahlia too...

Social upheaval is not necessarily synonymous with religious beliefs.

But I would tend to lean more towards the 1% of the 1% that owns pretty much everything having their own little technocracy, with stuff the rest of us may not ever see, much less see in 50 or 60 years, which is purportedly how far ahead skunkworks tech was back in the eighties, even before the exponential development of computer technology.

Not to mention the not so subtle intentional burial of basically all competing energy production technology by the fossil fuel industry. It's just insane to me that we're still running internal combustion engines in everything and depending on older nuclear plants built with 50s and 60s technology as well as coal fired plants which, even made to be "clean" are nowhere close to environmentally responsible and as far as I know still provide somewhere around half the electricity in the US.

You know who else is bats hit crazy? Storey Musgrave.

Yeah, he's said some nutty stuff.

There's also some really screwy historical stuff with the Apollo astronauts (not referring to Musgrave here, obviously...), like how none of them can/could recount their experience on the moon. I in no way support the IMO crazy idea that the Apollo missions were faked, but that's just freaking weird. How could anybody not remember what it felt like to be one of the few humans in recorded history to set foot on someplace other than earth?