HAHA.

Must of listened to too much nickelback

I know we wanted him pretty badly in Cleveland after he was cut from the Texans. I always liked him as a player.

Probably.

Seriously, though, no one knows. There were some rumors of some kind of injury issue.

Well I guess we will see how he does for the Cards.

I think there was a phone conversation that went something like this:

Reid: "Hello? Eric? Coach Reid here."

Winston: "Hey! Really excited to work with you coach!"

Reid: "I'm excited to be here, Eric. I've got some big changes planned for the team, so I know you're going to be excited. John Dorsey has some great ideas for bringing in talent at CB, DL, WR, QB, safety..."

Winston: "Wait, what did you say?"

Reid: "Umm... I said John Dorsey wants to make a big splash in acquiring more talent."

Winston: "Yeah, and then you listed a bunch of positions. QB was one of them. I could swear. Is that what you said?"

Reid: "Well, yeah. Good QB play is essential in this league, and we're going to have to get a new starter in here if we want to be competi-

Winston: *click*

Reid: "Hello? Hello... Eric?"

Winston probably wouldn't have hung up on Reid if he had just let him get to the words Alex Smith for a 2nd round pick.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No shit. Eric Winston is going to get destroyed in Arizona. Not because he sucks, but because his division is a monster. Seattle, with Avril, Red Bryant, Clemons, Bruce Irvin, the Rams with Chris Long, the 49ers with Ahmad Brooks, Ray McDonald, and if they flip around Aldon Smith..

Jesus.

I still don't get why anyone cares how long it takes the guy to develop. As long as he develops. I don't care where he was drafted.

And yes, this is completely from the perspective of... I didn't want a right tackle, but since we got him, I'm going to evaluate him based on what I expect from a first round right tackle. And immediately being good doesn't matter at all to me.

Ed Werder said Eric Fisher has a shoulder and hand injury but are considered minor.

He said their are people within the Chiefs organization who want him to fight through this injury and show more mental toughness.

I re-watched the game last night with a couple of areas of observation, one of them being Fisher.

I honestly think its impossible to overstate how bad he was in that game. That may have been more condensed suck into a single half than I've ever seen from a tackle; Barry Richardson and Jordan Black included.

There was a play where the TE got chipped inside, turned around and pushed backwards into Fisher (who had disengaged from his block) and Fisher fell down. He ****ing fell down when a player got pushed into him.

And anyone with anything remotely resembling a speed rush blew by him.

When I watched that game in real time I was extremely concerned with Smith's passing. And really, I remained concerned when I watched it again (he had 2 very bad plays where he just refused to get rid of the ball). But man, 1/2 those drop backs he had absolutely no chance because Fisher was able to do nothing.

I was floored by how ineffective Fisher was.

EDIT: I see Clay Gif'd him up. Yeah, I forgot to mention the other play where he fell flat on his ass.

He was incredibly bad.

And to think some people here wanted him starting at LT with Albert gone.

I like that he plays hurt and keeps coming back for more. He's got plenty of mental toughness.

People within the Chiefs organization should want him to fight through this suck and show more strength and skills.

The consistent theme is he is over-compensating by trying to play without his hands, especially his right hand. He's not getting beat off the speed rush because he's slow. He's getting beat because he's not getting a punch in or engaging the guy in a block. It's interesting to watch how many times he tries to block a guy with only his left hand and how many times he doesn't even use his hands, but instead leads the block with his head or shoulder.

The 4 gifs GoChiefs showed pretty clearly illustrate this. And the play where he falls over, he falls because Knile Davis is darting into the gap.

He's injured and hes playing out of position. Other teams are purposely targeting him because of this and also because of the inherent notoriety of being the #1 overall pick.

JFC hes a rookie in the second preseason game facing the defending NFC champs. He'll be fine.

Shit, some here think that's all we should get from the first pick in the draft...

I saw the same thing in the 49ers game that I saw in practice when people were telling me "it wasn't that bad, I was there too" and other nonsense.

When I was describing how badly Austen Lane was "walking him like a dog" I wanted to throw up.

It's sad that he doesn't seem to have improved at all since those days I was at camp.

The kid better get it going...


Woodley
Matthews
Ware
Pierre Paul
Tuck
Watt
Mingo
Von Miller x2
Orakpo
Mathis

That's just a quick list of guys that he will have to face this year...and before someone says "some of those guys are gonna be on the opposite side"..recognize that DCs will move players to favorable matchups.

The guy can't block backups...how is he gonna fair against those types of players?

I'm gonna keep on saying this...Jalil Brown and Dante Robinson are gonna give up a lot of scores collectively and Alex Smith is gonna need to counter those scores by putting up points if we are to win games and Eric Fisher is a LIABILITY AS A BLOCKER and will get guys hurt if he doesn't step his game up a few levels.

How are we gonna put up a lot of points with a right tackle that's this bad and a quarterback that doesn't throw to his wide receivers?

If his hand has a serious injury, they need to sit the kid down and let it heal...there is no way he is benefiting from being out there getting eviscerated by backups while trying to prove he is "tough".

He is damn lucky he didn't have to face Justin and Aldon Smith.

is Fisher really going to get "the playing out of position" free pass all season if he sucks?

what about Jeff Allen? same treatment if he sucks? Jeff Allen was a tackle he has to learn guard not fair!

Any Reid played OG in college and coached OL in college for 9 years so he may have a clue as to what may work for Fisher and his development.

If Reid decided to let Fisher's hand heal 100%, we'd see Geoff Schwartz playing RT according to the depth chart.

Schwartz is most comfortable at guard. He said so himself. How much of a liability would that be?

what about Matt Reynolds, there was some people on here hyping him

Marcellus never gets tired of making the same old tired excuses every offseason, does he?

"these guys are in the NFL so we should just shut up and let them do their jobs"

It's not like we are on a message board discussing ymthe team or anything...

Fixed.

BYU. Undrafted 2012. Cut twice in 1 year by 2 different teams. Nuff said.

When are you gonna start pimping Dex again?

Yes. He will. Even though he was the best prospect available out of every collegiate player.

LMAO really Boss? Find a quote from me that is similar in the last 2 years during the offseason.

Here is a link to every post.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/searc...earchid=957585

You know whats the same thing over and over? Your response to someone who say they will trust someone like Andy Reid over your concerns.

First off I never said to shut up and not worry, I said I trust his judgment on this topic especially given his history with OL.

Posters like you are just thin skinned and cant stand for someone to question your constant gripes.

You are correct this is a discussion forum, you posted something and then I posted I think Reid has a better ability to judge what is good for Fisher's development. That's called discussion on a subject and a counter opinion and a reason why.

You claiming I constantly just trust in the coaches etc.. every off season is complete unadulterated bullshit, that's not discussion nor is it a rebuttal. So dont call me out when your response is nothing but hyperbole.

No, no it wasn't.

Bullshit. You love Dex.

we cut Junior Whateverway last year and people have a 10 inch boner for him this year and he has yet to do anything either

same concept

Big Riggin' night and day in a 22 jersey, no doubt.

We're just taking stock of the depth chart. Trying to get a grasp of who will be on the field in the regular season.

Nobody's sucking anybody's dick. Except for Saccopoo and Reynolds.

I do?

News to me.

I don't loathe him like you do, I just don't give a shit about him.

LMAO Considering how big I am and how small Dex is, I would look ridiculous in 22.

Bullshit.

**** it, that's the mental image I have now and there's nothing you can do to change it.

I'm gonna picture you shifting hard in a 22 jersey as Mitch Holthus screams "he taking it to another gear Len, he's breaking away!!! Oh....that was just a spin for a 4 yard loss there".

Feel free to do a search.

Post them. Can't wait.

I liked him his rookie season, but soon grew tired.

I got back from dinner and read this and ROFLd and told myself "don't waste more than 5 minutes on this...better things to do"

So I searched your name with Romeo and here is the first thing I saw from last offseason:

Wow. Sucking down any ol' ball coach the Red and Gold trots out there.

Sounds about right.

If I wanted to waste an hour or two, I could probably post a page of similar quotes, but what would that prove?

After all, this isn't about Andy Reid, it's about Eric Fisher.

It's also about homers guzzling down the kool-aid so very, very hard.

But mostly Eric Fisher looking terrible so far.

The fact you think these 2 things are the same proves you are ****ing reeruned.

Was I for the Romeo hire? Nope. Did I think he should be crucified before the season? Nope.

Did I bash him unmercifully most of last season? Yes, yes I did.

Did I like the Haley hire? Yup, I still do and he is no longer a Chief. Haley was not the issue and I said that all along.

You still haven't disputed my point. Reid was an OL and coached OL for 9 years.

Who should I trust with Fishers development, you or him?

I have opinions and they aren't based on well the Chiefs hired this person or did that so it must be right. I try to be objective.

Again if you cant tell the difference that doesn't make me dumb.

Actually yea, my comment and our conversation was very much about both of these guys. Are you delusional?

Everyone here wants Eric Fisher to be great. EVERYONE. it's just that some aren't gonna ignore the early levels of suck and think it means nothing. Some take things at face value and right now, Eric Fisher is flat out TERRIBLE and we spent the first pick in the draft on him.

For that high of a pick, shouldn't he AT LEAST be an IMMEDIATE upgrade to Eric Winston (who we cut to make room for Fisher) and flash the ability to throw around backup quality players....or even be able to throw around third string playersxthat were cut from 2 win teams like Austen Lane?

FFS, I would HOPE SO.

If you draft a position like RT, guard, ILB, fullback, kicker or punter (positions of less importance than playmaking skill position guys or other positions that impact wins and losses) that high in the draft, that player better enter the league KICKING ASSES AND TAKING NAMES.

Right now, Eric Fisher is doing nothing but putting a larger target on his back for opposing players to shoot at so they can say:

"I kicked the ass of the first overall pick in the draft"

If something doesn't drastically chanclge quickly, a lot of players are gonna get that feather in their cap.

I'm having a spirited twitter debate right now with fans who:

1. Think Fisher didn't look that bad and just needs time.

2. Think Tyson Jackson isn't a bust.

:facepalm:

I think RT is a more important position than you're giving it credit, I mean, you yourself said that teams will put their best pass rushers on that side due to matchups.

No matter who we drafted, I wouldn't expect them to be more than an average to above average player at their position year 1.

By year 3 or 4, he needs to be a dominant player at his position and challenging to be an all pro.

Fisher hasn't been good up to this point, and I wish we had taken Richardson as I think he would have been a better pick.

But we picked Fisher, and I'll let that play out before I totally crucify the guy.

Well he's been getting beat by Austen Lane in camp so.....

While I'm not Marcellus biggest fan by any means, we could probably find some stuff you've said on here thats been pretty off.

Hell, I've said some dumb shit. Alot of it.

I just want to watch a competent winning franchise. I've skewed my vision on things a lot because I want/hope that happens.

so have we stomped this argument into the ground yet?

Too lazy to look back, but did you ever answer this?

This is exactly what you said:

"You claiming I constantly just trust in the coaches etc.. every off season is complete unadulterated bullshit, that's not discussion nor is it a rebuttal. So dont call me out when your response is nothing but hyperbole."

How are the quotes I provided not EXACT PROOF of that?

This is why it's a waste of time talking with people that don't own their own failures.

At least I own mine.

Also, you didn't say "during the season"....you clearly said "during the offseason".

Which is exactly what I searched for, and found INSTANTLY.

And don't give me the act like Andy Reid is some OL guru.

He isn't.

In fact, look at the long line of OL failures he drafted.

He drafted a 28 year old guard in the first round a few years back
How about Shawn Andrews?

Shit, if anything, Andy Reid has shown that he is a TERRIBLE OL evaluator and hopefully that changes with thus Fisher kid, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

No. A lot of people agree with me. A lot of smart people. Now go away.

Boss that is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Do you think for 2 minute Fisher is sitting around thinking OMG I am making a bigger target of myself.

Do you really think other players are working harder in camp so they can kick his ass specifically?:rolleyes:

JFC what a crock.

Fisher is working to get better, end of story. That's all he is concerned about I am certain of that.

If the guy feels any kind of pressure being the #1 I am fine with it because that means he cares. He already got his $. All he cares about right now is learning his job and kicking ass.

Shawn Andrews wasnt a bad OL, he did have injury issues and then flaked out but he was a 2 time probowler. He didn't break his own leg FFS.

And the fact you cant figure out that just because I dont turn all weepy vagina every offseason that doesn't mean I just go with whatever the Chiefs do.

How did YOU feel about the Reid hire? And since you know so much about me, who did I want as coach this off season before Reid was hired?

Marcellus, tell me more stories about Andy Reid and his ability to work with OL at a high level.

Give me a list of Andy Reids successful offensive line picks so I can get a warm fuzzy feeling about Eric Fisher

1

2

3

Go!

Isn't Fisher playing while hurt as well?

How bout give the guy a little more time before the http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/m...1/01th_OMG.gif..

I'm so proud of BossChief.

He won't even take his Dexter stuff down.

I told him he could.

They're minor injuries.

I think he just sucks. Small school and not that athletic, etc.

This might seem a bit harsh but...

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ROFL

Boss, you were one of the first on the bandwagon to buy season tickets, why if you weren't excited about Reid?

Shoulder and hand injuries minor for an OL?

Uh...absolutely.

You must love arguing with stupid. Lol, cause man, hes about the dumbest guy ive ever seen on a forum.

Because preseason games are precursors to how teams play in the regular season. ESPECIALLY ROOKIES.

Just see the 2008 Detroit Lions....

WINNING!!!

Not yet. Gimme a minute.
Everyone that is following along can tell you are struggling with keeping up.

I didn't say Eric Fisher is trying to make the target bigger (as you understood it in the land of unicorns and Arrowheads) I said that his play is creating the "mouth watering anticipation" from future opposing players to face him because they can be confident that they will be able to come away with a "I kicked the ass of the first pick in the draft" feather in their cap.

JFC read my posts a couple times and try to understand them before responding to them so you don't continue to embarrass yourself.

Please.

Yes, that was what the report said.

Outstanding, you've taken me off ignore.

If you decide to take on Clay, a guy with 150000 posts on a single message board, you get what you get and you probably deserve it for being stupid enough to debate a guy who obviously has the time to hunt you down and degrade you.

Before I answer, was this directed at me?

The dog in your av looks like it has some Yorkie in it.


Fun dogs, those are.

No, not necessarily, just forewarning anyone.

The bet was one year and I intend to honor it.

I'm not a KnowMo.

Thanks for the offer though.

Ill win the next one. So far, I am 1-0 on Dex bets...and lost the Charles will have 300 touches right after ACL recovery and the team signing a power back bet.

I'll win the next one.

No, they're terrible.


She's a shorkie, 3/4 shi tzu, 1/4 yorkie.

And the yorkie makes her crazy.

Fair enough. His one admirable trait is that he is relentless. Ill give him that much.

The hunt down and degrade part, that part made me laugh out loud actually.

I bet that dog is exceptionally quiet and stuff.

Begrudged owner of a beagle. Loudest dogs on the planet.

So you actually like dex?

But yesterday you stated no receiver had caught a pass in preseason.

But dex has!!!!

McNabb
Welbourn
Westbrook
Shawn Andrews
Brent Celek
Kolb (May suck but they got a 2nd rounder out of him thanks to Reid)
Deshawn Jackson
Maclin
McCoy

Um, those guys didn't play OL I don't believe.

No, hell no, she's a yappy idiot. But I love her and she's liek a second mother to our newbornd.